FTS Bogey reserve ?

[kat013 0]

Does anyone have any information about, or opinions of Bogey Reserves? I just bought a rig (my first) with a Bogey 178 reserve and I can't seem to find any information on it. Also does anyone know where I might be able to find a manual for it (my rigger won't pack it without the manual)?
Thanks in Advance,
Keith

[PhreeZone 20]

If thats the same canopy I'm thinking of its an old 7 cell f111 reserve. Its spelling is Bogy A quick search on Googles archives of rec. seems to suggets that it was not very well recived on the open market. Only a select few were TSO'd for reserve useage.
Advanced Para Systems seems to be the company that made them. Since APS is still building components ot of Texas now, you might want to see if you can get in touch with them to get the manual. Finding a manual for something like this might be a really hard thing to do with the general community.
Taken from our own Chuck Blues post on Rec. from August of 2000

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APS is currently building parachutes in Texas. Bob Chafin is running the
company now. Dave Davenport, now working for Eagle industries, was the
founder of the company. Back then, they were the rage in Alabama, Georgia and
Mississipi. They also make the Laser, Bogy, Ranger and Shark mains, as well
as Rascal and Laser reserves. Rascals and Lasers are still quite popular as
demo mains. The Shark a zero-p eliptical nine-cell. There was a time when you
could get seven, EIGHT, and nine cell parachutes from these guys cut with the
same airfoil. They made a few eleven-cell parachutes also. One weird thing
that you still get from these guys is a parachute with ALTERNATING zero-p and
F-11s cells. Why? Who knows, but some people liked them.
Chuck Blue
D-12501

Personally..... I'd get a Raven or PD reserve and replace the Bogy with something newer and design for modern skydiving. Older equipment just does'nt like to open niecly if you don't allow your self enough time to slow down out of a freefly jump or other "crazy" stuff.
A rainy day at the DZ is better then a Sunny day at work

[riggerrob 643]

I probably have a Bogy manual at work.
Ask me again tomorrow.
Better yet, call Adventure Sports Loft in Perris Valley, California. They are right behind the Square One DZ store and definitely have a Bogy manual.
I hate to advocate packing without a manual, but the differences between packing a Bogy, vs. a Raven, vs. a PD reserve are insignificant.
I have repacked a handful of reserves built by FTS and APS. They have fewer reinforcing tapes than contemporary reserves, but they did pass all the TSO C23C drop tests, so I cannot understand what the fuss is.
Just tell your rigger to PRO Pack your Bogy the same way he packs every other square reserve.

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

The Bogy 7 (which you are referring to) is plenty safe and you should not have any reservations about using it. Most FTS (then APS) canopies were TSO'd as mains and reserves, so it is not uncommon to see some Rascal, Laser, and Bogy reserves with bridle attachment points.
"back in the day" these parachutes were made in the basement of my dad's house in Opelika, Alabama. The company was then moved to Alpharetta, Georgia, just outside Atlanta. When Dave went to prison, the company was taken over by Bob Chafin and moved to Texas. Some of the designs then (pre-zero porosity days) were pretty interesting and test jumping them was at times quite scary. As an 18 year-old I was a willing test dummy. I can't count the times that they would hand me a rig to jump that had the brake lines crossed, toggles rigged so they came off in my hands, or best yet: hooked up completely backwards! Fabulous shit! The eight-cell mains had a brief run at stardom when the US 4-way team, The Air Bears, used them at the world meet. I had the 2nd ever eight-cell prototype, a 205, back in 1984. I also put all the test jumps on the Bogy 150 reserve, which didn't really ever sell much (everyone else was scared to death to even think about jumping anything that small).
Chuck
My webpage HERE

[kat013 0]

Thanks for the information, advice, and history, it's appreciated. I'll give Adventure Sports Loft a call tomorrow. My rigger won't pack it without the manual for legal reasons and prior to the post I was only able find two people who were familiar with Bogys (both said they were good reserves, but old). Thanks again...
Chuck, out of curiosity what are they like in flight?

Keith

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

By comparison? Hard to compare it to anything other than other typical F-111 seven-cells. That is to say it has a decent glide, but a one-stage flare.
Chuck
My webpage HERE