darrell 0 #1 September 11, 2001 I, like many, have a BOC pilot that leaves that little bit of bridle exposed before it dissapears under the right closing flap. A well meaning freeflyer expressed some concern over this, suggesting that it may cause a future problem during my learning to sitfly.Can anyone please give me some ideas as to a simple modification to cover it or secure it ??thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 September 11, 2001 Only a rigger can modify the container. Talk to your rigger about sewing a bridle cover on your rig similar to whats on a Javelin.Flying on your belly is great..... if thats all you can do! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prost 0 #3 September 12, 2001 You know, as much as I have heard about this I have never seen a problem that could really be proven to be caused by it. I have one of the older Javelins without this bridle cover and have never had a premature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrell 0 #4 September 12, 2001 Hey guys, Thanks for the input on this day of national trauma,prost- check out the incident report of this month's (Sept 01, page 55) Parachutist magazine if you can:Age:45/ Male/ 600 jumps- Horseshoed main bridle around reserve bag's locking stow = DEATH what do you think ?darrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff 0 #5 September 12, 2001 I know first-hand (i.e. at my home DZ) of 5 or 6 premature deployments linked to poor bridle protection on older Javelins and other rigs.These have led to a only a few minor injuries in the cases I've seen, but the potential for the jumper to have their neck broken by a hard head-down opening, to become entangled, or to collide with others is pretty obvious.You may get away with it for hundreds of jumps, but I would say you're taking an unacceptable risk.Just MHO.Geoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 September 12, 2001 When I worked at Rigging Innovations, the policy was to sew a piece of hook on Velcro on the bottom flap if the exposed bridle - between the BOC and the edge of the right side flap - exceeded 1 inch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #7 September 12, 2001 When I put a BOC on my old V1-1 Vecor II, I thought it would be plenty secure, especially with the stock velcro along the right side of the bottom flap. I was mistaken. I was pulled out of two sit-fly jumps by premature openings. Lucky for me, the pilot chute pulled out of the BOC pouch on both jumps, so I didn't have a horseshoe. I would have a master rigger put the added bridle cover on your bottom flap.ChuckChuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #8 September 12, 2001 Quote When I worked at Rigging Innovations, the policy was to sew a piece of hook on Velcro on the bottom flap if the exposed bridle - between the BOC and the edge of the right side flap - exceeded 1 inch. I have a Talon 2(DOM Aug 2000) that has a very small amount of bridle exposed between the BOC and the right flap - I would estimate about 1/2".. I'm not at home, so I can't measure the actual amount.. I have never had a problem freeflying with this, and I have checked videos that others have taken when you can see the bridle - and I have never seen it move.. I make sure that the bridle is laying as flat as possible on the container, and tuck it snugly into the flap so that it will not pull out easily.. I have often wondered if there is a way I can add a flap just to be sure that there is no bridle exposed, but have not ever heard of a way..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #9 September 12, 2001 I had a bridle cover mod done to my Talon by a master rigger. It only cost $55 and that was with replacing the BOC ( the spandex was shot). The guy I bought my Talon from had made about 800 freefly jumps on it with the little bit of bridle being exposed and did not have any problems. I personally feel more secure now with the mod done and now there is no bridle exposure.Blue SkiesKirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrell 0 #10 September 12, 2001 Thanks everyone-Keep 'em coming; it's starting to sound like this is an issuethat effects many of us out there- whether we realize it or not ...Talonsky-Could you give us all a bit more detail as to what the mod you had done is/ looks like ? (or maybe even attach a photo of it)? My rig is an Infinity, but I would assume that something similar to what you had done could work for all of our other rigs also ...thanks,darrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrell 0 #11 September 12, 2001 riggerrob,thanks for the suggestion of the velcro, it was echoed by another at my DZ.What do you think of idea of a bridle cover sewn onto the bottom flap (such as that used/ suggested by talonsky)? I can even envision a flap that covers the entire opening of the BOC and continues up and under the right closing flap to serve as a bridle cover ...what do you think?thanks!darrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #12 September 12, 2001 The mod I had done, is actually part of my BOC. I had the BOC replaced with a none spandex one, and at the mouth where you handle would be is an extra piece of material running up the bottom flap to where you would normally route the bridle. This flap has an additiional flap that folds under the bridle to keep it secure. I am not sure if that helps but without a picture a discription is kind of hardKirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #13 September 12, 2001 QuoteMy rig is an Infinity, but I would assume that something similar to what you had done could work for all of our other rigs also ...Don't assume. Every container out there is different; what works fine on one container could be very bad on another. Contact the manufacturer of your rig and get their input about this before having any mods done to your rig.btw, what's the manufacture date on your Infinity? If it's a newer one you shouldn't have this problem....pull and flare,lisa---Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrell 0 #14 September 12, 2001 thanks skybitch,Cool user name!Hey, thanks for your input. My rig is an "older" one that does have bridle exposure. Believe me, I have all intentions of having a master rigger do the work. I'll take your advice and also contact the manufacturer. The way I see it the more info I can gleam in the situation the better I can weigh my options and have an intelligent conversation with my rigger.thanks again,darrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrell 0 #15 September 12, 2001 I'm sorry Kirk, but I don't quite get it yet.This extra flap folds folds UNDER the bridle? I can understand how a flap sewn onto the bottom closing flap that the bridle goes under would work, but I can't wrap my brain around what you describe.Could you please try to describe it once more?Thanks for your effort!darrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #16 September 13, 2001 From what I have seen my mod on my Talon is very similar to the bridal flap cover on Reflex containers. Hope that helps Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darrell 0 #17 September 14, 2001 Kirk, got it! Thanks ...darrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
