Vengeance 170

[amir1967 0]

I have recently bought one loading at 1.4 and would like to here from more people how fly and land one.
At our club there is only one more and so far six reviews at this site
AM67

[maretus 0]

It depends much on what you have previously flown. Couple weeks ago I put approx 10-15 jumps on a Vengeance 120, loading it 1.48. Since I regularly jump a Stiletto 120, It didn't feel much diffrent. Front riser pressure was little lighter and when front risering it, the canopy felt little more solid (than the Stiletto), due to the airlocks, I presume. On openings I experienced a funny habit, the canopy came out straight and nicely, but immediatly after inflation it turned 90-180 degrees offheading. However, with your hands on risers immediately after deployment, ready to steer the canopy, that should not become a problem. As a conclusion if you have jumped HP ellipticals before, especially Stiletto, you shouldn't have any problems what so ever.

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

The Vengeance dives a lot harder than a Stiletto. The brakes are also down farther in the control range, like most other performance mains. The recovery arc is also much longer, so that means that you must initiate your final turn higher in order to get the best performance out of your landing. If you are hooking at "Stiletto height", then you are obviously having to "dig" your landings. I recommend initiating your final turn at least 100 feet higher and letting that thing build up speed. With increased speed comes greatly increased lift. One thing about the Vengeance, though: with that increased speed only comes a marginally-longer surf than with a Stiletto. It is for that reason that I sold mine after 10 jumps and got my Alpha, then VX, then Cobalts. All dive about the same as the Vengeance, but all surf quite a bit farther in the same size.
As far as landing your new main goes, follow the tip I listed above about initiating your final turn higher. If you find yourself having to dig to get "around the corner", then you are still not turning high enough. Digging only shortens your surf. You should barely have to touch your toggles to get around the corner, then you let is fly out and apply little bits of input to stay planed out. Set your feet down when you get down to about 60-60% of your control range, then slowly apply that last bit at the very end. Never run out a landing for any reason; always slide-off excess speed. Good foot placement is key here.
Chuck

[Geoff 0]

This all sounds consistent with other swooping advice I've been given, except....

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Never run out a landing for any reason; always slide-off excess speed. Good foot placement is key here.

That's an interesting opinion I'd not heard before. What if the surface isn't suited to sliding e.g. dry with long uneven grass? What do you mean by foot placement? Could you maybe explain your thinking a little? I'm gradually learning to swoop landings on my Safire, and hungry for expert advice.
Thanks
Geoff

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Ahem.. Obviously if you somehow end up over pavement or some other non-slidable surface you are going to have to go with something completely different. In that case, you will not drag your feet and will end your swoop with a more pronounced flare at the end. But, to clarify the "foot placement" remark: at the point of my swoop where I am losing enough speed that I am having to use a little more brake input, I put my feet down and in my "landing configuration". For me, this is left foot out in front and right foot right under me and to the rear of the front foot. Toes are up on both feet and my knees stay bent. Imagine yourself sliding down a polished floor in your socks. That is how I slide out my landings. In this configuration it is almost impossible to trip forward and face-plant. Is also very unlikely that you will go down on your ass. Does that clarify it for you?
Chuck

[Geoff 0]

yep, very clear, thanks.
Geoff

[skymedic 0]

And we all know how much chuck doesn't want to be on his ass right now....
Marc

[GeekStreak 0]

LMAO @ Chuck!
1111,
GeekStreak

[RemiAndKaren 0]

LMAO... it wouldnt look so pretty......

[Kirils 1]

I like the vengence, great flare on landing, surfs great!
My biggest complaint is that turns are sluggish and openings are slow and quirky). My new HeatWave will fly circles around the Vengence (but it dosen't land quite as well). It seems this is one canopy you NEED to downsize to get decent performance.
Skydiving is not a static excercise with discrete predictability...

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

Hardy Har Har!

who thought that was funny?
I did!
Very lame attempt to screw with Chuckie

[amir1967 0]

After 16 S.L. jumps I was ready for freefall (rip cord stil on manta) .
7 more jumps and I went to the our club Sabre 210 +-10 J and Sabre 190 +- 12 J to Sabre 170 15 jumps or so later got my 2nd diploma and I started to look around for a set , I've demo a Stiletto 170 and finally went with the vengeance (was told the flare was stronger and that the chut was much more stable in turbilance)
25 jumps later I'm a very happy camper with my vengeance .
Opening are nice and soft + - 45 right or left ,sometime it open in a dive turn so rear riser is a must but easy to correct ,if I turn hard I will be horizontally so for now I begin a turn slow max 360 and come out slow to , landing are what its all about fun fun fun and on no wind day are even more fun,
some people looked at me, what he think he's doing on a vengeance with 60 jumps but ye those people can't land a Specter.
Thanks for the info, if anyone as any more it's allways welcome
am67
AM67