trippin 0 #1 September 29, 2001 Theres been many threads relating to stats,saftey, ect. I dont want to bring all that up again. I can accept the risks off skydiving, the real concern for me is if something happens most life ins. wont pay off and I do have a wife and kids to think about. Anyone know if you can get life insurance ,while being a skydiverAnyway hope to get in 4th jump tomorow, and the rest before it gets cold Have had to many delays,layoff,weather,plane broke,ect... mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #2 September 29, 2001 If you are a member of USPA you can get there life insurance policy. I have it and it cost like 250 a year or something. and gives 100,000 grand or so. You should become a member as soon as possible anyway.MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 September 30, 2001 QuoteYou should become a member as soon as possible anyway.This one I've never understood. Sure you need to be a member if you plan on traveling to other DZ and boogies but you done HAVE to become a member at any time. It took me to 135 jumps to become a member. My DZ did'nt care if I was a member so it was'nt an issue with me either. Being a member is nice but its not a requirement to jump.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #4 September 30, 2001 QuoteMy DZ did'nt care if I was a member so it was'nt an issue with me either. Being a member is nice but its not a requirement to jumpthis is cuz your DZ isn't a USPA group member. i think they would care if they are USPA group. it just depends where you are.--------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #5 September 30, 2001 Actually my second DZ is a member but they dont press the issue that much.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #6 September 30, 2001 The reason to become a member has not been more perfectly exemplified than in these last few weeks. the uspa needs our membership to fight for OUR rights to skydive. I could care less whether I can go from one DZ to another. its the fact that the USPA has lobbying power in DC (little though it may be) that I give them my money. the same reason as I give my money to the NRA. With the help of USPA and AOPA we got back into the air again. MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #7 September 30, 2001 (whispers to Skymedic): (now if only the NRA would make the same effort, we could all be happy campers.....)"What of the dreams that never die? Turn to your left at the end of the sky". ~e e cummings~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #8 September 30, 2001 Quote now if only the NRA would make the same effort, we could all be happy campers WHOA! It's not often you find women that actually VOICE their pro-gun opinions.....especially if you live in California, where that's almost illegal.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #9 September 30, 2001 Yeah, well, it is "illegal" to voice it here.....and geesh, if you own one or two (or three, maybe four,), you're looked upon as if you were, I dunno, a terrorist, or at least a traitor.....and Lord help us all if you have enough ammo, and are a good enough shot to handle a situation if it arises. And saints intercede please if one is small enough to fit in my purse, as I show property to men I have never met at night in bad parts of town.....Wait, am I saying too much?Nevermind.Ciels-Michele (wait, uh, Samantha McGuillicudy, yeah, that's my name.....)"What of the dreams that never die? Turn to your left at the end of the sky". ~e e cummings~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #10 September 30, 2001 Well...for the $45 or so for the membership you get a kickass magazine you couldn't get otherwise. And as skymedic stated, they do a lot for our community. You may not personally see the benefits, but right now they're trying to get a chunck of that $40billion airline bailout money for dz's to make up for the money they lost. They help dzs open and stay open. They also keep the gov't out of regulating our sport.You may think, so what, I don't own a dz. But more dzs = more competition = cheaper jumps. I'm willing to shell out $45 a year. If that saves me $1 per jump, it's well worth it.cielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #11 September 30, 2001 QuoteActually my second DZ is a member but they dont press the issue that muchWhat DZ is that Eric?? I thought you were a die-hard SGC man!! And yeah....Skymedic and PhillyKev.......excellent points on the lobbying and the magazine. Laura and I just got our mags yesterday and I have to admit that those certainly give me something nice to read and to look at the pictures. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #12 September 30, 2001 Quote and geesh, if you own one or two (or three, maybe four,), you're looked upon as if you were, I dunno, a terrorist, or at least a traitor..... Well, if I moved back to California, I would be required to get an 'Arsenal' permit......for number of guns and amount of ammo.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #13 October 1, 2001 I totally agree that being a USPA member has great benifits and I support the organizaion and its actions. What I don't like is the group member thing. It pits group members against non-members. Even though all the jumpers at a DZ pay thier fee if the DZ is'nt a member then none of the jumpers can expect any help if they need it for air-access or the like wise. If it benifits ALL the members then I love the organization but when it only helps select members but not others, that's what gets me frustrated sometimes.And the thinking that more DZ means cheaper jumps.... jump price is dictated by lots of factors, Fuel price, airplane leases if any, number of jumpers at the DZ, expansion plans of the DZ, lots of little things. All of these set ticket prices not the guy down the road with jump prices .50 cents cheaper. Most people go to the DZ they like to and not the cheapest in the area. I pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #14 October 1, 2001 QuoteI pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.who has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #15 October 1, 2001 Taylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #16 October 1, 2001 Quotewho has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! Probably Taylor, but they're only going to 10,5I got my renewal notice in the mail a few weeks ago. I really didn't have any intention of renewing. I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving.The events of the last few weeks has changed my mind a little. I'm sure the USPA had a little to do with it, but the AOPA probably had more to do with us getting back in the air. Maybe we should just all join them... the AOPA doesn't seem to be such a "Good 'ol Boys Club" - But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #17 October 1, 2001 Quote But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all. The only problem that I see with not renewing is that you would not be allowed to jump at many DZ's and boogies.. I don't know about you, but I like going to different DZ's, and especially the large boogies..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #18 October 1, 2001 QuoteTaylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.That's cool. I never knew that. Thanks for the .NFO. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #19 October 1, 2001 "I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving."Since when is Skydiving a "non-biased" magazine? They just have their own "bias", which is expressed even in the "news" articles that are published. Don't get me wrong, I've been a subscriber for a few years now. I read it every month, cover to cover, but the articles are never impartial. The opinions of the writers are always made clear, whether it is a recap of Nationals or reporting on a base jumping case in the courts. (and isn't it less than $20.00 a year?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #20 October 1, 2001 Besides the USPA I called ZURICH DIRECT and for perfect health 100,000 policy was 119/yr or about 11/month with out skydiving. With skydiving (are you sitting down) 659/yr or about 59/month!!! yeeeooouuuuch!!!! So its out there if you got the extra $$$$jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #21 October 2, 2001 One thing that I don't like about Parachutist is that if something happens at a non-member DZ then its not going to be published. I mean you could have a State record build and get great pictures of it but no one will ever see it because its not a group member. Skydiving Mag on the other hand will publish ANYTHING.... good or bad....Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #22 October 2, 2001 well phree, that would make sense being that it is the "official publication of the United States Parachuting Association"MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #23 October 2, 2001 But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Thats kinda favoring one group of jumpers if you ask me if they want to get published. This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should the USPA react? I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs. Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.Thats my opinion but its always open to change.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. 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mountainman 0 #4 September 30, 2001 QuoteMy DZ did'nt care if I was a member so it was'nt an issue with me either. Being a member is nice but its not a requirement to jumpthis is cuz your DZ isn't a USPA group member. i think they would care if they are USPA group. it just depends where you are.--------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 September 30, 2001 Actually my second DZ is a member but they dont press the issue that much.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #6 September 30, 2001 The reason to become a member has not been more perfectly exemplified than in these last few weeks. the uspa needs our membership to fight for OUR rights to skydive. I could care less whether I can go from one DZ to another. its the fact that the USPA has lobbying power in DC (little though it may be) that I give them my money. the same reason as I give my money to the NRA. With the help of USPA and AOPA we got back into the air again. MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #7 September 30, 2001 (whispers to Skymedic): (now if only the NRA would make the same effort, we could all be happy campers.....)"What of the dreams that never die? Turn to your left at the end of the sky". ~e e cummings~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #8 September 30, 2001 Quote now if only the NRA would make the same effort, we could all be happy campers WHOA! It's not often you find women that actually VOICE their pro-gun opinions.....especially if you live in California, where that's almost illegal.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #9 September 30, 2001 Yeah, well, it is "illegal" to voice it here.....and geesh, if you own one or two (or three, maybe four,), you're looked upon as if you were, I dunno, a terrorist, or at least a traitor.....and Lord help us all if you have enough ammo, and are a good enough shot to handle a situation if it arises. And saints intercede please if one is small enough to fit in my purse, as I show property to men I have never met at night in bad parts of town.....Wait, am I saying too much?Nevermind.Ciels-Michele (wait, uh, Samantha McGuillicudy, yeah, that's my name.....)"What of the dreams that never die? Turn to your left at the end of the sky". ~e e cummings~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #10 September 30, 2001 Well...for the $45 or so for the membership you get a kickass magazine you couldn't get otherwise. And as skymedic stated, they do a lot for our community. You may not personally see the benefits, but right now they're trying to get a chunck of that $40billion airline bailout money for dz's to make up for the money they lost. They help dzs open and stay open. They also keep the gov't out of regulating our sport.You may think, so what, I don't own a dz. But more dzs = more competition = cheaper jumps. I'm willing to shell out $45 a year. If that saves me $1 per jump, it's well worth it.cielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #11 September 30, 2001 QuoteActually my second DZ is a member but they dont press the issue that muchWhat DZ is that Eric?? I thought you were a die-hard SGC man!! And yeah....Skymedic and PhillyKev.......excellent points on the lobbying and the magazine. Laura and I just got our mags yesterday and I have to admit that those certainly give me something nice to read and to look at the pictures. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #12 September 30, 2001 Quote and geesh, if you own one or two (or three, maybe four,), you're looked upon as if you were, I dunno, a terrorist, or at least a traitor..... Well, if I moved back to California, I would be required to get an 'Arsenal' permit......for number of guns and amount of ammo.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #13 October 1, 2001 I totally agree that being a USPA member has great benifits and I support the organizaion and its actions. What I don't like is the group member thing. It pits group members against non-members. Even though all the jumpers at a DZ pay thier fee if the DZ is'nt a member then none of the jumpers can expect any help if they need it for air-access or the like wise. If it benifits ALL the members then I love the organization but when it only helps select members but not others, that's what gets me frustrated sometimes.And the thinking that more DZ means cheaper jumps.... jump price is dictated by lots of factors, Fuel price, airplane leases if any, number of jumpers at the DZ, expansion plans of the DZ, lots of little things. All of these set ticket prices not the guy down the road with jump prices .50 cents cheaper. Most people go to the DZ they like to and not the cheapest in the area. I pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #14 October 1, 2001 QuoteI pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.who has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #15 October 1, 2001 Taylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #16 October 1, 2001 Quotewho has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! Probably Taylor, but they're only going to 10,5I got my renewal notice in the mail a few weeks ago. I really didn't have any intention of renewing. I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving.The events of the last few weeks has changed my mind a little. I'm sure the USPA had a little to do with it, but the AOPA probably had more to do with us getting back in the air. Maybe we should just all join them... the AOPA doesn't seem to be such a "Good 'ol Boys Club" - But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #17 October 1, 2001 Quote But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all. The only problem that I see with not renewing is that you would not be allowed to jump at many DZ's and boogies.. I don't know about you, but I like going to different DZ's, and especially the large boogies..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #18 October 1, 2001 QuoteTaylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.That's cool. I never knew that. Thanks for the .NFO. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #19 October 1, 2001 "I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving."Since when is Skydiving a "non-biased" magazine? They just have their own "bias", which is expressed even in the "news" articles that are published. Don't get me wrong, I've been a subscriber for a few years now. I read it every month, cover to cover, but the articles are never impartial. The opinions of the writers are always made clear, whether it is a recap of Nationals or reporting on a base jumping case in the courts. (and isn't it less than $20.00 a year?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #20 October 1, 2001 Besides the USPA I called ZURICH DIRECT and for perfect health 100,000 policy was 119/yr or about 11/month with out skydiving. With skydiving (are you sitting down) 659/yr or about 59/month!!! yeeeooouuuuch!!!! So its out there if you got the extra $$$$jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #21 October 2, 2001 One thing that I don't like about Parachutist is that if something happens at a non-member DZ then its not going to be published. I mean you could have a State record build and get great pictures of it but no one will ever see it because its not a group member. Skydiving Mag on the other hand will publish ANYTHING.... good or bad....Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #22 October 2, 2001 well phree, that would make sense being that it is the "official publication of the United States Parachuting Association"MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #23 October 2, 2001 But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Thats kinda favoring one group of jumpers if you ask me if they want to get published. This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should the USPA react? I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs. Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.Thats my opinion but its always open to change.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. So to answer your question, it is definitely possible to get life insurance that will cover you while skydiving, but I would ask the insurer before I got any new coverage.-Larry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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skymedic 0 #6 September 30, 2001 The reason to become a member has not been more perfectly exemplified than in these last few weeks. the uspa needs our membership to fight for OUR rights to skydive. I could care less whether I can go from one DZ to another. its the fact that the USPA has lobbying power in DC (little though it may be) that I give them my money. the same reason as I give my money to the NRA. With the help of USPA and AOPA we got back into the air again. MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #7 September 30, 2001 (whispers to Skymedic): (now if only the NRA would make the same effort, we could all be happy campers.....)"What of the dreams that never die? Turn to your left at the end of the sky". ~e e cummings~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #8 September 30, 2001 Quote now if only the NRA would make the same effort, we could all be happy campers WHOA! It's not often you find women that actually VOICE their pro-gun opinions.....especially if you live in California, where that's almost illegal.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #9 September 30, 2001 Yeah, well, it is "illegal" to voice it here.....and geesh, if you own one or two (or three, maybe four,), you're looked upon as if you were, I dunno, a terrorist, or at least a traitor.....and Lord help us all if you have enough ammo, and are a good enough shot to handle a situation if it arises. And saints intercede please if one is small enough to fit in my purse, as I show property to men I have never met at night in bad parts of town.....Wait, am I saying too much?Nevermind.Ciels-Michele (wait, uh, Samantha McGuillicudy, yeah, that's my name.....)"What of the dreams that never die? Turn to your left at the end of the sky". ~e e cummings~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 September 30, 2001 Well...for the $45 or so for the membership you get a kickass magazine you couldn't get otherwise. And as skymedic stated, they do a lot for our community. You may not personally see the benefits, but right now they're trying to get a chunck of that $40billion airline bailout money for dz's to make up for the money they lost. They help dzs open and stay open. They also keep the gov't out of regulating our sport.You may think, so what, I don't own a dz. But more dzs = more competition = cheaper jumps. I'm willing to shell out $45 a year. If that saves me $1 per jump, it's well worth it.cielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #11 September 30, 2001 QuoteActually my second DZ is a member but they dont press the issue that muchWhat DZ is that Eric?? I thought you were a die-hard SGC man!! And yeah....Skymedic and PhillyKev.......excellent points on the lobbying and the magazine. Laura and I just got our mags yesterday and I have to admit that those certainly give me something nice to read and to look at the pictures. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #12 September 30, 2001 Quote and geesh, if you own one or two (or three, maybe four,), you're looked upon as if you were, I dunno, a terrorist, or at least a traitor..... Well, if I moved back to California, I would be required to get an 'Arsenal' permit......for number of guns and amount of ammo.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #13 October 1, 2001 I totally agree that being a USPA member has great benifits and I support the organizaion and its actions. What I don't like is the group member thing. It pits group members against non-members. Even though all the jumpers at a DZ pay thier fee if the DZ is'nt a member then none of the jumpers can expect any help if they need it for air-access or the like wise. If it benifits ALL the members then I love the organization but when it only helps select members but not others, that's what gets me frustrated sometimes.And the thinking that more DZ means cheaper jumps.... jump price is dictated by lots of factors, Fuel price, airplane leases if any, number of jumpers at the DZ, expansion plans of the DZ, lots of little things. All of these set ticket prices not the guy down the road with jump prices .50 cents cheaper. Most people go to the DZ they like to and not the cheapest in the area. I pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #14 October 1, 2001 QuoteI pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.who has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #15 October 1, 2001 Taylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #16 October 1, 2001 Quotewho has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! Probably Taylor, but they're only going to 10,5I got my renewal notice in the mail a few weeks ago. I really didn't have any intention of renewing. I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving.The events of the last few weeks has changed my mind a little. I'm sure the USPA had a little to do with it, but the AOPA probably had more to do with us getting back in the air. Maybe we should just all join them... the AOPA doesn't seem to be such a "Good 'ol Boys Club" - But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #17 October 1, 2001 Quote But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all. The only problem that I see with not renewing is that you would not be allowed to jump at many DZ's and boogies.. I don't know about you, but I like going to different DZ's, and especially the large boogies..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #18 October 1, 2001 QuoteTaylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.That's cool. I never knew that. Thanks for the .NFO. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #19 October 1, 2001 "I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving."Since when is Skydiving a "non-biased" magazine? They just have their own "bias", which is expressed even in the "news" articles that are published. Don't get me wrong, I've been a subscriber for a few years now. I read it every month, cover to cover, but the articles are never impartial. The opinions of the writers are always made clear, whether it is a recap of Nationals or reporting on a base jumping case in the courts. (and isn't it less than $20.00 a year?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #20 October 1, 2001 Besides the USPA I called ZURICH DIRECT and for perfect health 100,000 policy was 119/yr or about 11/month with out skydiving. With skydiving (are you sitting down) 659/yr or about 59/month!!! yeeeooouuuuch!!!! So its out there if you got the extra $$$$jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #21 October 2, 2001 One thing that I don't like about Parachutist is that if something happens at a non-member DZ then its not going to be published. I mean you could have a State record build and get great pictures of it but no one will ever see it because its not a group member. Skydiving Mag on the other hand will publish ANYTHING.... good or bad....Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #22 October 2, 2001 well phree, that would make sense being that it is the "official publication of the United States Parachuting Association"MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #23 October 2, 2001 But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Thats kinda favoring one group of jumpers if you ask me if they want to get published. This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should the USPA react? I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs. Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.Thats my opinion but its always open to change.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. So to answer your question, it is definitely possible to get life insurance that will cover you while skydiving, but I would ask the insurer before I got any new coverage.-Larry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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mountainman 0 #14 October 1, 2001 QuoteI pass a DZ with $14 jumps to go to a DZ with $20 jumps since I like the people and planes better there.who has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 October 1, 2001 Taylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 7 #16 October 1, 2001 Quotewho has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! Probably Taylor, but they're only going to 10,5I got my renewal notice in the mail a few weeks ago. I really didn't have any intention of renewing. I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving.The events of the last few weeks has changed my mind a little. I'm sure the USPA had a little to do with it, but the AOPA probably had more to do with us getting back in the air. Maybe we should just all join them... the AOPA doesn't seem to be such a "Good 'ol Boys Club" - But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Aviatrr 0 #17 October 1, 2001 Quote But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all. The only problem that I see with not renewing is that you would not be allowed to jump at many DZ's and boogies.. I don't know about you, but I like going to different DZ's, and especially the large boogies..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mountainman 0 #18 October 1, 2001 QuoteTaylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.That's cool. I never knew that. Thanks for the .NFO. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #19 October 1, 2001 "I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving."Since when is Skydiving a "non-biased" magazine? They just have their own "bias", which is expressed even in the "news" articles that are published. Don't get me wrong, I've been a subscriber for a few years now. I read it every month, cover to cover, but the articles are never impartial. The opinions of the writers are always made clear, whether it is a recap of Nationals or reporting on a base jumping case in the courts. (and isn't it less than $20.00 a year?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #20 October 1, 2001 Besides the USPA I called ZURICH DIRECT and for perfect health 100,000 policy was 119/yr or about 11/month with out skydiving. With skydiving (are you sitting down) 659/yr or about 59/month!!! yeeeooouuuuch!!!! So its out there if you got the extra $$$$jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #21 October 2, 2001 One thing that I don't like about Parachutist is that if something happens at a non-member DZ then its not going to be published. I mean you could have a State record build and get great pictures of it but no one will ever see it because its not a group member. Skydiving Mag on the other hand will publish ANYTHING.... good or bad....Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #22 October 2, 2001 well phree, that would make sense being that it is the "official publication of the United States Parachuting Association"MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #23 October 2, 2001 But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Thats kinda favoring one group of jumpers if you ask me if they want to get published. This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should the USPA react? I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs. Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.Thats my opinion but its always open to change.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. 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wildblue 7 #16 October 1, 2001 Quotewho has $14 jump tickets, Eric?? I must have missed that!! Probably Taylor, but they're only going to 10,5I got my renewal notice in the mail a few weeks ago. I really didn't have any intention of renewing. I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving.The events of the last few weeks has changed my mind a little. I'm sure the USPA had a little to do with it, but the AOPA probably had more to do with us getting back in the air. Maybe we should just all join them... the AOPA doesn't seem to be such a "Good 'ol Boys Club" - But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #17 October 1, 2001 Quote But like I said, the USPA helped a little, I might renew my membership after all. The only problem that I see with not renewing is that you would not be allowed to jump at many DZ's and boogies.. I don't know about you, but I like going to different DZ's, and especially the large boogies..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #18 October 1, 2001 QuoteTaylor Air Sports is at $16 not $14. I use that as my Second DZ when Idont want to drive over an hour to do 1 or 2 jumps. Getting only to 10500 is another reason don't go there that often.That's cool. I never knew that. Thanks for the .NFO. --------------Brandon Wren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #19 October 1, 2001 "I'd much rather spend the $50 on a non-bias magazine, like Skydiving."Since when is Skydiving a "non-biased" magazine? They just have their own "bias", which is expressed even in the "news" articles that are published. Don't get me wrong, I've been a subscriber for a few years now. I read it every month, cover to cover, but the articles are never impartial. The opinions of the writers are always made clear, whether it is a recap of Nationals or reporting on a base jumping case in the courts. (and isn't it less than $20.00 a year?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #20 October 1, 2001 Besides the USPA I called ZURICH DIRECT and for perfect health 100,000 policy was 119/yr or about 11/month with out skydiving. With skydiving (are you sitting down) 659/yr or about 59/month!!! yeeeooouuuuch!!!! So its out there if you got the extra $$$$jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 October 2, 2001 One thing that I don't like about Parachutist is that if something happens at a non-member DZ then its not going to be published. I mean you could have a State record build and get great pictures of it but no one will ever see it because its not a group member. Skydiving Mag on the other hand will publish ANYTHING.... good or bad....Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #22 October 2, 2001 well phree, that would make sense being that it is the "official publication of the United States Parachuting Association"MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #23 October 2, 2001 But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Thats kinda favoring one group of jumpers if you ask me if they want to get published. This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should the USPA react? I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs. Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.Thats my opinion but its always open to change.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. So to answer your question, it is definitely possible to get life insurance that will cover you while skydiving, but I would ask the insurer before I got any new coverage.-Larry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
skymedic 0 #22 October 2, 2001 well phree, that would make sense being that it is the "official publication of the United States Parachuting Association"MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #23 October 2, 2001 But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Thats kinda favoring one group of jumpers if you ask me if they want to get published. This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should the USPA react? I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs. Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.Thats my opinion but its always open to change.Be safe, be smooth, be fast..... and most importantly.... be phree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. So to answer your question, it is definitely possible to get life insurance that will cover you while skydiving, but I would ask the insurer before I got any new coverage.-Larry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 3,085 #24 October 2, 2001 >But what about all the USPA members that are in the record or picture? Should> they get shorted just because the DZ is not a member? Well, yes. They don't cover BASE, skiing or rock climbing, other than the crossover parts of those sports (like paraski) even though many USPA members ski, BASE jump and rock climb. The magazine is the official publication of USPA, and exists mainly to inform members of what's going on in the organization. If you want more, there's always skydiving magazine (or rock+ice or ski magazine, etc)>This is one of those questions that never gets answered all the way...."Is the> USPA there for the Jumpers or the DZO's?" Most people say both, but some> times the two groups are at different viewpoints on the same topic. How should> the USPA react? This, it seems to me, is exactly what the USPA is for - as a body that can step in and negotiate between the two. Are jump prices too high? USPA's a good organization to try to get them down. FAA won't let us do demos, or fly in formation? USPA can help there. A DZO is killing students due to unsafe gear? Again, USPA's a good way to address that.> I say do away with the group member program and focus on the members needs.> Form a DZO group to takeover the stuff the USPA would no longer do.> Thats my opinion but its always open to change. I don't want the DZ's represented by a business consortium whose primary goal is profit. I'd rather have a voluntary skydiver-oriented organization that looks at both sides of the equation.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larry 0 #25 October 2, 2001 trippin,The life insurance I have through my work will cover me in a skydiving accident as long as I was not doing it professionally (as a JM or a paid demo jump, etc.). I am covered if I were to bounce doing a recreational sports jump. So to answer your question, it is definitely possible to get life insurance that will cover you while skydiving, but I would ask the insurer before I got any new coverage.-Larry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
