johnA123 0 #26 February 11, 2008 Big thing is to get them to get their landing gear under them ie legs and feet In the hanging harness have them practice this. Push legs hips down and behind. Tandems do tend to do the feet up thing as well asflare and the legs come up kinda like they are attached. Next do PLF'S off a platform not a 6" stand we did them from 8' working up form on the ground at 2' intervals 1970's round chutes but still the same If they jump and practice off high enough trainers they will do better. I've had only a handful of students that I trained not do well with this procedure. Thats since 1981 and a lot of students in the 1000's"been around, seen some things, slept in dumpsters got high with kings KR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #27 February 12, 2008 Quote I made them do a standing PLF on the concrete. hehe, I remember teaching a bunch of squaddies a year or so ago. It was a crappy weather day so there were three instructors teaching a class of 12 to PLF. We have a set of ramps - only about 2ft high or so and some crash mats in a disused hanger. Towards the end of the class and after all the basic training, standing PLF's then stationary PLF's off the end of ramps etc one of the other instructors lines them up at the end of a ramp and instructs them to proceed up the ramp and off the end straight into a full PLF without stopping at the top as we'd had them doing so far. He stuck his foot out on the mat 2-3 ft. away from the end of the ramp and told the class they had to get that far and that the first guy up would set the standard the others all had to beat. On "GO" the first squaddie proceeds up the ramp at full tilt, sprints as fast as he can to the end and leaps a good couple of metres through the air into a fairly good PLF, rolling clean off the end of the mat and onto the concrete. We three instructors just gawp open mouthed at each other thinking "fuck that shit" as the rest of the class proceed to try and beat him. Squaddies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #28 February 13, 2008 Last summer I broke my ankle pretty bad on my level 7 AFF jump ... They had trained me to do a PLF in the event of a "hard landing," but I didn't feel very confident with it. On that particular jump it didn't look like I was going very fast at all so I just tried to stand the landing. The thought of doing a PLF never even crossed my mind ... My instructor was apparently telling me to PLF, but I don't remember hearing him. I'm going to practice jumping off lots of high things before I return to finish AFF! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 644 #29 February 18, 2008 Quote Quote Most other sports (i.e. judo) teach the opposite of PLF. RiggerRob, sorry man but I just don't get this comment...I agree that most people are hard wired to use intuitive movements that they think will prevent injury but every sport I played used physics. For example: when falling from bicycles, motorcycles, and skateboards it is better to roll with it. When being taken down on the mat by someone with more skill rolling with it hurts less. Breakdancing is made possible by not trying to contest the ground. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry about my vagueness. I was mainly referring to the difference in arm position between a judo roll and a PLF. During judo rolls, I was taught to slap the matt to dissipate impact energy. Whereas we teach the opposite during PLF practice: keep your arms tucked in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 644 #30 February 19, 2008 Just ask an instructor to watch your first few PLFs to ensure that you are practicing the correct technique: feet & knees together, feet & knees under you, knees slightly bent, eyes on horizon, arms tucked in, absorb the impact with the balls of your feet, side of calf muscle, side of thigh muscle, buttock muscle and diagonally across your back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jasonRose 0 #31 February 20, 2008 Quote And then the student assumes the Big X and you know the rest. Any suggestions? I've run out of ideas. I hear you loud and clear!! I was doing a coach jump with someone that was coming back after an injury that a PLF would have prevented. I told the guy to plan on doing a PLF for his first jump back. He didn't even attempt to do a PLF he had his legs wide apart his whole canopy ride and didn't even finish his flare when he tried to stand it up. Good thing he was under a tuna boat onther wise he would have broke himself again. I feel like I am talking to a brick wall. Any Advise??? Some day I will have the best staff in the world!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 February 20, 2008 yeah...quit calling larger canopies, "tuna boats".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
