TM what to do if passenger gets blackout

[skydiverton 0]

Tandemmasters what's your idea about this.

Some weeks ago I had a passenger that had a complete blackout at 2000ft till after landing.

I decided to land and roll to the side as soon as we touched the ground. I could not manage to push the passenger legs upwards.

Passenger recovered very quickly on the ground and told me she liked the jump, only the last part.....
(Passenger was not miss piggy shaped)

Any other ideas/advice

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Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit,
Especially when you are jumping a sport rig

[flipper 0]

Had this myself, student was a lot bigger than me .... not really that much you can do about it other than make the landing as soft as possible

[riggerrob 643]

Loosen chest strap, belly band and chin strap to improve circulation.
Kick her feet forward just before touch-down and try to slide the landing.

[skydiverjerry 0]

had the same problem myself once or twice
being small i make sure of a good landing and either the roll or just flop an my bum depening on the size of the passenger.

one thing i do is loosen all the straps and try to get them to sit in the harness.

btw what harness gear?

life is a journey not to arrive at the grave in a pristine condition but to skid in sideways kicking and screaming, shouting "fuck me what a ride!.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Riggerrob had an article from Firefighter Monthly or something talking about suspended harness caused blackout or something more medical sounding. The crux of the article was that when we are upright we are usually using our leg muscles and, as a side effect, helping the heart pump the blood from the lower extremities. When we are in a harness we are not helping, so the blood pools in the feet and legs causing blackout or even death. If you remember the story of the crucifixion the soldiers went around breaking the legs of the prisoners so they would die before the feast day, but when they got to Christ he was already dead.
When my passengers exhibit warning signs of this (pins and needles in the arms is the most common) I get them to clench their leg muscles and release them four or five times in slow to moderate succession. It seems to work.

[skydiverton 0]

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had the same problem myself once or twice
being small i make sure of a good landing and either the roll or just flop an my bum depening on the size of the passenger.

one thing i do is loosen all the straps and try to get them to sit in the harness.

btw what harness gear?

Chest strap was already loose.
Harness was an omega harness. This is roughly a german vector copy.
(Personnaly I like the sigma and new Atom harnesses more)

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Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit,
Especially when you are jumping a sport rig

[Liemberg 0]

Hope they remain unconscious during the landing?
(The rationale being that when their legs are completely relaxed even with a big passenger / small TM the TM's feet will be on the ground before the passengers knees....feet and lower legs will drag over the ground during the landing and there is no damage...)

Hey, it worked for me - twice.

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[skydiverton 0]

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Hope they remain unconscious during the landing?
(The rationale being that when their legs are completely relaxed even with a big passenger / small TM the TM's feet will be on the ground before the passengers knees....feet and lower legs will drag over the ground during the landing and there is no damage...)

Hey, it worked for me - twice.

Yep. Kompleet knock-out tot na de landing.
Passagier losgehaakt, beenbanden losser en naar stabiele zijligging. Kwam toen weer redelijk snel bij.

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Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit,
Especially when you are jumping a sport rig

[skydivadee 0]

exactly my procedure, the DZ im at has a special plowed field, which apart from fluffy feathers, its ideal for spooning into.

unconcious, then loosen straps and put them into a recovery position making sure the head is up allowing clear breathing. BE GENTLE

if they recover conciousness, get them to sit up, loosen of tight straps, and get them to breath, whilst holding there heads resting on knees.

Bizarre thing eh? chatting away under canopy then you realise they are unconcious !

[Erroll 80]

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Loosen chest strap, belly band and chin strap to improve circulation

This may belong in the Gear forum, but seeing it is relevant here: There have been several posts/threads on these forums about this subject. One would have expected that by now a more pax-friendly harness would have been developed. Perhaps something along the lines of a Paraglider-seat? Is there anything like this in the pipeline? Is it practical?

[riggerrob 643]

One would have expected that by now a more pax-friendly harness would have been developed. Perhaps something along the lines of a Paraglider-seat? Is there anything like this in the pipeline? Is it practical?