ryoder 1,590 #26 January 3, 2005 Quotehttp://www.relatveworkshop.com/taninfo.fatalities.html #6 see post above, and #23. Fixed spelling and "made it clicky": http://www.relativeworkshop.com/taninfo_fatalities.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverjerry 0 #28 January 3, 2005 i keep it simple, "dont grab my hands! if you die i am going to bite your hand of, or this is the right hand of god, up there i am god dont touch them so god can save you" then i make sure my hands are never in a possition to be grabbed.life is a journey not to arrive at the grave in a pristine condition but to skid in sideways kicking and screaming, shouting "fuck me what a ride!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #29 January 3, 2005 A few stories from TI's I know: One guy, (well over 6', well over 200 pounds), had a strong male student grab both hands so firmly he could not break free. (Now mind you this was back before AAD's were in use on tandem rigs.) So with all his might, he punched the student in the side of the face hard enough that it temporarily knocked the student out. The other TI had a female student whose arms began flailing right out the door like she was looking for something to grab. So he carefully kept his arms well out of her reach. However she DID find something to grab; So they spent the entire freefall with her firmly grasping both of his butt-cheeks. Last story was a TI training jump. Immediately after opening, the experienced jumper who was playing "student" heard these anxious, but firm words: "Joe, don't make any sudden moves! Now slowly open your hands and take them off of the handles." The rig was equipped with auxiliary cutaway and reserve handles on the passengers harness. Joe was accustomed to instinctively grabbing his risers on every opening, and didn't realize he had grabbed the webbing between the passenger harness and the TI's attachment point, which included the handles."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #30 January 3, 2005 Thanks for the information. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverton 0 #31 January 3, 2005 Never tell them. I will take care I do not show my hand to the passenger. Never got grapped. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit, Especially when you are jumping a sport rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #32 January 3, 2005 Quoteleave my hands free And that is the positive way to say this.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #33 January 9, 2005 QuoteI recall when Tandem jumping was fairly new hearing some stories about how some body builder student got a death grip on the Instructor's arm and how it was scary, blah, blah. I'm wondering now if it was some skydiving urban myth that got passed around by Tandem Instructors when so few people were Tandem Instructors that they thought they were Skygods. Wouldn't surprise me. Quote Not an urban myth Gary...Happened to me. ...and yes, there IS video! We use to offer Tandem rides to various "celebs" as a promotion for air shows etc. Usually local media personalities...the day prior to an event during the "press day" show. I took a guy my size..6'4" 220... retired Tampa Bay Bucks tight end that was doing the sports on some local channel there. He FREAKED in FF... Arms 'swimming' like mad...and puking like a junkie! He got hold of my thumbs and I couldn't shake loose. Video shows me yelling in his ear and several tries to pull my hands loose.... ~before I bite him on the neck. He let go to grab the injury. I was tempted to start giving passengers MITTENS! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #34 January 11, 2005 The other TI had a female student whose arms began flailing right out the door like she was looking for something to grab. So he carefully kept his arms well out of her reach. However she DID find something to grab; So they spent the entire freefall with her firmly grasping both of his butt-cheeks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Yes, several girls have grabbed my butt cheeks on exit. Hah! Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #35 January 11, 2005 is it just my observation or is it mostly vector pilots - contrary to strong ti's - being panicky about hands being grabbed?The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #36 January 11, 2005 I am a Strong pilot. Keeping the student's hands away from mine was emphasized on the course (taught by Bill M). I have had my hands/arms grabbed in the plane and on opening as well as some attempts during freefall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
douwanto 22 #37 January 12, 2005 QuoteDuring our training time together, I will stand behind the student and have them grab my hands....then ask them if they should do this.....who is pulling the ripcord? When the light bulb comes on you can ask them what they should never do.....they all come up with "don't grab your hands" pretty quickly. According to most thoughts of learning you are teaching most of your students to grab your hands in a high stress situation. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #38 January 14, 2005 If you never mention the concept, it will never cross the minds of half of your students. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #39 January 14, 2005 QuoteIf you never mention the concept, it will never cross the minds of half of your students. Probably true, but kindly asking them not to has always worked for me. Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
