TI Question

[NSEMN8R 0]

As a TI, I should probably know this but does anyone know where in the ISP a S/L student must be before I can jump with them (without being strapped to me)?

Somebody said it was after the "method specific" jumps. Does that means when they get off the S/L and go to 5sec. delay?

I let someone borrow my SIM & IRM and never got it back or I'd look it up.

Thanks.

[AggieDave 6]

Cat D.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[BIGUN 1,443]

Yup. Cat D.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[NSEMN8R 0]

Cool. Thanks. It's the same for AFF students right?

[AggieDave 6]

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Cool. Thanks. It's the same for AFF students right?

That's not fully addressed in the SIM or IRM, besides the fact that it is specifically listed for SL/IAD progression and not AFF. Also, since on a Cat D an AFF student may not pull and TI's aren't trained to pull for students, I would think the answer would be no.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[BIGUN 1,443]

It is according to the book.
However, here is the problem that most DZ's understandably have... myself included...

You have a student that you've never jumped with before. Suddenly, you're doing a Cat D (The old AFF Level 4) AND you cannot take a harness hold exit, nor pull for the student at pull time. Kinda some cause for concern.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[NSEMN8R 0]

What level do you guys think it should be for AFF students? Maybe after the harness hold exits or not at all?

[AggieDave 6]

Personally, I wouldn't want anything to do with a student until they're cleared for self supervised freefall for anything besides tandem jumps. So basically the same time that coaches pick up students (roughly) is when I would be comfortable picking them up.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

THAT is why you don't need to be messing with single instructor tandem/hybrid shit unless you are dual-rated AFF/tandem. It is a fantastic program to run if you are an independant subcontractor with all your ratings, your own tandem rig, and your own student rig.

It's also great for dropzones with a limited amount of AFF instructors, but who don't care to teach any variety of SL or IAD.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is that once you have taken a person on three "real" ISP-type tandem progression jumps, then they ought to be fine on a one-JM AFF jump.

Chuck
AFF/TM/SL-I, BMCI, PRO

[AggieDave 6]

So you don't think I can train a tandem student for Cat A and a Cat B dive, then hand them off to an AFF instructor for their ground school and a two instructor AFF dive? Unless I was also an AFF-I?

Why? That's the point of the USPA TI rating in addition to the manufacture's rating.

I'm not taking them on an AFF jump, I can tell what their doing with their body and the rest of the learning objectives for Cat A and Cat B. The USPA thinks its fine among many other people.

Nevermind the level of student training and ability I've seen from this program. Lightyears ahead of the SL/IAD programs I've seen and the students learn faster and perform better then the "pure AFF" students I've seen as well.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[tspillers 0]

To answer your question, a S/L or IAD student is self pretty much self supervising their freefall once they are on delays (Cat D). An AFF student is not cleared for freefall self supervision until Cat E. They make one jump in Cat E performing disorienting manuevers and regain stability within 5 seconds (2).

I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.