Canopy Transfer being taught in your ground school?

[namdrib 0]

I have been teaching ground courses for over a year now and I truly believe that this is something that should be taught in ground school. However, the DZO does not agree with me, so I thought I would get some of your inputs.
I really believe that this could save lives in a "Low Altitude" situation. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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[mikeat10500 12]

Canopy Transfer can be done from a good stable square to a round reserve. Never a good idea to have two square out...ever! I think Canopy Transfer's are more of a stunt than an emergency procedure.
Low altitude life saving cutaways belong to the Skyhook. Otherwise don't cutaway low. Use only 1 parachute at a time.

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[flypunk 0]

Not possible with an SOS system.

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[PhreeZone 20]

If you are relying on a canopy transfer to save you.. you've got a whole list of steps that got you to that point that would better be addresssed. Things like russian radar, consistant patterns, etc would be better uses of time then how to do a transfer.

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[egons 0]

Get Skyhook equipped systems!!!

To teach students to do canopy transfer sounds absolutely crazy... sorry if you do not like the sound of that, and I am glad your DZO does not approve with this practise.

I fully understand where you are coming from, but when you look at the reality of it - no, do not attempt to encourage anyone on how to do a canopy transfer....

The fact that your trying to make your students safer and more knowledgable is great, but the basics is good enough for anyone of us to survive!

Heres to a good weekend ahead of us

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[obelixtim 150]

No way Jose.....

Too complex, too confusing, too many variables, not a huge problem that needs addressing..........A huge can of worms........don't go there.....

The simpler the training...the safer it is..................always approach student training with that in mind, and you won't go too far wrong...............

My training is all based on the assumption that my student doesn't have English as a first language, so I've cut out every unnecessary bit of information possible....to keep it easily understandable.... in order that they get thru that first jump safely.....

For example, I've seen training where the instructor went into a long winded spiel about the workings of the AAD that left ME confused, and a bunch of bewildered students anxious that they'd missed a vital lifesaving bit of information.......total waste of time and totally unnecessary........

I tell mine that they have a back up system to help them in the unlikely event everything goes totally wrong and they forget everything I've taught them..........very basic, "what it does"....end of story...

They believe me, because I'm the instructor, and what I say is true........ and thats all I want at this stage........

Then I focus on more relevant stuff that they MUST know...........

If they continue jumping, you can then add more complex bits where necessary....because they then have some experience of jumping and have salted that basic knowledge away...........and are now more receptive to more complex information...

I train a lot of tourists...students from all over.....Japan, Sweden, Germany, etc, sometimes all in the same class at the same time.....and some have little or no English at all, so simplicity is vital...........

A lot of experienced jumpers would stuff up a canopy transfer.......

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[GravityGirl 0]

Bad idea, IMHO.

A new student does not absorb the entire coarse. There are "nice to knows" and "need to knows".

Your job as an instructor is to make sure that the students you teach remember the "Need to knows".

If you throw in the VERY Dangerous move that MIGHT save your life in an otherwise hopeless situation, who is to say that it won't be what the student remembers in a high stress situation (malfunction).

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[skydiverjerry 0]

when teaching think like this what they should could and must know

should know things like there is an aad
could know things like how fast the canopy is
must know things like what a malfunction is looks like and how to deal with it,

canopy transfers are realy not needed, as you give them one drill (if it looks like this do this) if it looks like this dont do that. you should eliminate the opptions as much as possible.

if you give them multiple choice in a stresfull situation murphys law dictates the will get it wrong

blue skies
jerry

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[AndyMan 7]

Nope.

Your coach course should have included a lecture on primacy and recency. During that lecture your coach course should have drilled into you that you should only teach the student what they need to know to make a sucessfull skydive.

Instead, spend time making sure that they've got the tools necesary so that such a stunt would never be necesary.

BTW - Canopy transfers were a lot more common when people had round reserves. With a round reserve, having two canopies out did not pose a hazard. Today, with square mains and reserves, a two-out situation could take a form which poses significant hazards. Its for that reason that people canopy transfers have largely become a thing of the past.

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[riggerrob 643]

.... canopy transfers have largely become a thing of the past.

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First jump instructors should FIXATE on "MUST KNOW" information - repeating it ad nauseum - and forget about "could know" information.
Canopy transfers are a distant "could know."
In 27 years of skydiving and 18 reserve rides, I have never done a canopy transfer and cannot remember seeing one either.
If you are so down and dirty that a canopy transfer is your only option, then you made a long series on your way to the scene of the accident. A first jump instructor's time is far wiser spent teaching students how to stay out of that corner.

[skydiverton 0]

In principle it is scary for a student to chop a canopy. They have never seen an entanglement.

With a transfer you tell them there is an option to get your reserve out without cutting away first which is wrong.

This is what I tell students:
For students: Cut away and pull reserve. Take decision above 2000ft. Below 2000ft you do a complete procedure, but you are already in the danger zone.
Below 1000ft you only pull your reserve (Best option out of 2 bad options, but you screwed up yourself)
If you start a reserve procedure you finnish it whatever happens.

Keep It Simple for your student.

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Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit,
Especially when you are jumping a sport rig

[tspillers 0]

Square to round - maybe you could teach them.

Square to Square - no way. It is never recommended.

I am not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example.

[billvon 3,096]

No. Below 1000 feet do not cutaway (is what I teach.) If the main will not land you survivably and you are below 1000 feet, open the reserve without cutting away.