Dishrag in a Hurricane

[howardwhite 6]

From Popular Science, 1969.

HW

[BlueSBDeath 2]

Nice

[wmw999 2,589]

You have the coolest collection of stuff
Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[JohnRich 4]

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That's an interesting photo from the period when we were transitioning from the old to the new. It's an old Paracommander chute, but it's packed in a bag rather than a sleeve, and the pilot chute appears to be a throw-out versus spring-loaded (not sure about that one). And yet he's still wearing a belly-wart reserve!

[wmw999 2,589]

Naw, it's not collapsible; I'd bet money it's an MA-1.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[howardwhite 6]

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It's an old Paracommander chute, but it's packed in a bag rather than a sleeve

Probably not a bag but a POD, which was coming into widespread use then.
I'm doing a presentation at the PIA/Museum gig in DeLand in August about (among other things) things used to slow down openings. I'll have my Volplane hydraulic reefer as well as one of the first sliders ever made.
HW

[pchapman 280]

I don't know about POD's, so would people use a long retainer line with them, just as some people preferred them with sleeves?

I'll offer another alternative for the photo, as a possibility, even if it is more likely not correct:

A sleeve can bunch up on opening and look like a bag or POD at a distance (or at low resolution). Attached is a photo showing this. I guess this would tend to happen around the junction of the bridle proper, and the sleeve retainer line.

The 2nd photo just shows the sleeve dangling, on the same canopy on another jump - there the sleeve inverted completely, over the bridle to the pilot chute.

[dgskydive 0]

God that is an ugly canopy.

Dom

[councilman24 37]

I agree with you.

I've got three or four of the israeli ones. Someone just wanted to borrow one. And the one I grabbed had to be the only non israeli one I had.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[wmw999 2,589]

Hey -- don't dis the cosmic puke!

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi Peter,

I agree with you on this.

The lower canopy has a real, real long retainer line on it.

There were two schools of thought:

1. Long retainer line to get the junk away from the drive windows.

2. A really short retainer line ( what I did ) to keep everything up in the crown-line area at the top of the canopy.

JerryBaumchen

[Beatnik 2]

The guy in the first photo is awesome But anyone wearing a bright yellow balloon suit would have to be anyways right?

[pchapman 280]

Referring to my bunched up sleeve photo:

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The guy in the first photo is awesome But anyone wearing a bright yellow balloon suit would have to be anyways right?

It's not all about you Beatnik.

Sorry Howard for helping derail your thread. My puke Para Commander just attracts too much attention.

[skybill 22]

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That's an interesting photo from the period when we were transitioning from the old to the new. It's an old Paracommander chute, but it's packed in a bag rather than a sleeve, and the pilot chute appears to be a throw-out versus spring-loaded (not sure about that one). And yet he's still wearing a belly-wart reserve!

Hi John,
Bottom chute the "sleeve" is all wadded up and that looks like a spring loaded pilot chute. The upper canopy if you look at the left side of the photo (the right side of the chute" you can se the deployment device near the skirt just peeking around the corner of the canopy. Looks like the real McCoy photo from the PC time period. If ya' had a "POD" ya didn't need much retainer!! The crown lines were your bridle for the Pilot chute!!

SCR-2034, SCS-680

III%,
Deli-out

[lodestar 0]

Howard,
correct me if I"m wrong but the two Paracommanders in the first pic, are those not the USAPT canopies?

[lekstrom10k 0]

The pilot chute would be an A-3, MA-1 was 6 inches in diameter the A-3 was 8. The sleeve was a long sleeves that covered the crown lines stretched out. Dan Latchford of Midwest Parachute Novi MI came out with the shorty sleeve. It only covered the canopy the crown lines were S-folded at the top in rubber bands. The canopy was first out in 1964,as a Mark-I. Mark-II came out after it with no drive hole (easily hook knifed in later.)in 1967The air borne was trying to make their canopies steerable. They went back to "If everybody drifts off target anyway they cant hurt themselves" I got my first PC in 1968 back to a MarkI the price was higher as nylon is an oil by product, and oil prices were up
.Later the 23 Russian 24 Mark I II III and RW 27 Russian 28 jumbo
and 32 jumbo. Never jumped the 23 as it was a real ankle wrecker for my size.
I still have a 1964 Golden Knights yellow (gold) and black Mark I that I took to Rantual but our Heros wouldnt jump it.
My first P.O.D. was in 1972 also from Dirty Dan the Parachute Man

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi lodestar,

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are those not the USAPT canopies?

No, when the P/C came out it ONLY came in those colors.

For a while the Army team used those colors, then Pioneer made them their black & gold ones.

Then other colors followed.

JerryBaumchen

PS) Mine was serial #363.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi lek,

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Dan Latchford of Midwest Parachute Novi MI came out with the shorty sleeve.

He might have made short sleeves for them but the first short sleeve came on the CrossBow which came out before the P/C did. The XBO came out in the Spring of '64.

The original P/C pilot chute was very similar to an A-3 but it was in R/W/B in a Lo-Po fabric for the canopy of the pilot chute. I know as I had one.

My first jump on a ParaCommander was jump #34 on 17 Oct 64.

JerryBaumchen

[howardwhite 6]

See Jerry's answer. These were stock PCs at first, and (IIRC) the colors of the first PC I jumped in 1966 -- the "school" canopies at Orange. Next jump I bought my own.
But this picture was probably taken in the late 60s, and there were still a lot of these colors around.

HW

[racerman 0]

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From Popular Science, 1969.
OMG!!!!! I was nine years old and bought that issue just for the skydiving article. I had kept that, and other articles, until I joined the Air Force in 78. Thanks for the memory!!!!
HW