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Skyjack 71 asks these questions:
1. There is one question the FBI always asks and the only one they are ever going to respond to. Can you put your subject on the plane?
ANSWER: Not for certain. We know Christiansen, a man named 'Dick B' (last name withheld for now because his wife is still alive) and 'Mike Watson' (alleged man on the ground) took Mike's Airstream trailer and station wagon from Oakville, WA two days before the crime. They completely skipped Thanksgiving dinner and were gone for more than a week. Mike returned to Oakville alone and refused to tell his ex where he had gone. Five months later, his sister got a $5,000 cash loan from Kenny, who was making less than $600 a month and had no savings. Three months later, Kenny bought his house in Bonney Lake for cash. We have hard evidence on both these items. Oakville is located about halfway between Kenny's old apartment in Sumner and Portland, Oregon. Our theory is that Dick B and Mike Watson drove Kenny to the Portland Airport, dropped him off, and then parked off the river at Paradise Point State Park near Battleground, WA. The money found in 1980 was only three or four miles from the park.
Mr. Blevins - NONE of that puts your subject on the plane. The FBI has heard all of that before regarding other suspects. I have been given the impression they WANT physical evidence.
2. What was you subject's relationship to WA prior to 1971? Cooper had detailed knowledge of the area - WA was not chosen on a whim.
ANSWER: Christiansen moved to the Seattle area about 1958. He settled down in Bonney Lake and lived there for the rest of his life. Mike Watson was VERY familiar with the area where Cooper supposedly jumped. His ex testified he went hunting and fishing in that area for many years.
Good answer showing he was familiar with the area, but obviously it is not enough for the FBI as was Weber's background.
3. Why would you choose for your book "the staged picture of your subject supposedly re-enacting his crime"? If your subject was Cooper he would have been sure to have included something very specific - privey to only the crew and not privey to the public.
ANSWER: It was only one of many pictures used in the book. It was just strange, that's all. Here is Kenny walking through the front door of his sleazy apartment in Sumner, WA only three weeks after the crime...and carrying a similar briefcase, a paper bag, and wearing a similar overcoat such as was done by Cooper. The picture was hidden behind another picture. It's just weird, that's all.
It has been my opinion and the opinion of others that the staged photo is of a much older Christiansen and not in 1971.
You asked: Have I spoken to the current FBI agent in charge of the Cooper case in Seattle?
ANSWER: No. That's Skipp Porteous' job. He's the main author and the guy with the private investigator license. I sent them the book and the true names of the witnesses, the ones where we disguised their names.
My source says the FBI is NOT going to pursue Christiansen, based on the DNA alone (I do NOT know if the source is reliable). Perhaps you should do yourself a favor and check with the FBI yourself. You are putting your reputation out there on heresay..
About the DNA: The reason you haven't heard anything about the DNA is that supposedly the attempted testing was a flop. The sample was just too contaminated. Yes, Christiansen's DNA was provided to the FBI, but because they just tossed all the evidence (some of it mixed together) into bags for forty years, the testing did not work. Personally, I think the Seattle FBI should update their website and admit it didn't work. I have this information from Skipp Porteous, that is, that the attempted DNA profiling from the tie sample did not work out as the FBI had hoped. In other words, they were able to extract a DNA sample from the tie, but when they tried to get the actual DNA profile, they only got a partial at best. Skipp thinks they didn't even get that. I will ask him about this, BTW.
Mr Blevins from Jo Weber:
I do NOT know if Skipp verified this information thru the FBI. For your information I will again repeat what the FBI told me the night before they went public. They retrieved Multiple Partial DNA's from the tie. Claimed it was enough to exclude or excuse certain suspects, but inconclusive to include any specific suspect (I don't believe you can have it both ways).
Below is the public statement I made to the FBI in 2007 with assistance:
"I have to question the validity of DNA testing done to excuse individuals concerning the D.B. Cooper incident of 1971.
In the past 36 yrs the evidence may have been compromised. Considering that the study of DNA did not exist until the late 1980's it is highly unlikely that the evidence was preserved in a manner that would have protected the DNA. I therefore, would question any DNA evidence that excluded or excused anyone without further investigation in what items where use to extract DNA and verification that the CHAIN of CUSTODY was maintained through out the last 36 yrs when dealing with and handling of this item.
The only DNA evidence one should consider valid would the cigarette butts. BUT, the FBI can't find them. There are too many questions unanswered.
Also note the FBI has NO proof that tie was actually Coopers tie and what happened to that Paper sack?
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QuoteAs for my grammar and spelling, I will leave that be.
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spoken, not spoke. Spokes are things in wheels.
You won't get far in this world on bad English.
I will note you are not in there ripping apart Blevins story - and his is not that much different from my own, except I left it up to the FBI to question individuals (NOW I wish I had done it myself because they sat on their hands waiting for these people to die).Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteQuoteAs for my grammar and spelling, I will leave that be.
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nor have I spoke with
spoken, not spoke. Spokes are things in wheels.
You won't get far in this world on bad English.
I will note you are not in there ripping apart Blevins story - and his is not that much different from my own, except I left it up to the FBI to question individuals (NOW I wish I had done it myself because they sat on their hands waiting for these people to die).
No Jo, Im just playing 7th grade English teacher -
what we all went through - and because I know you
know better if you would just slow down and be far
less emotional about everything? Good advice?
I have to take it from others also -
Im not on Blevin's case because I feel why not
give him a break - at least he's being polite about
everything ? He's a pretty bright guy in many ways.
He knows I dont buy his candidate but he accepts that and moves on, so we can be hospitable ...
remember I dont have a dog in this race.
When the FBI tells you 'put him on the plane" what
they are saying is, I think: "we want HARD evidence". Actual proof. Isn't that what Larry said here a thousand times? But again I dont have a candidate Im promoting so I understand a little why
you are upset. That may surprise you to hear me say this but I actually do understand some of where you're coming from ... except that in my book you have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaay to far for waaaaaaaaaay too long? I would have dropped this years ago and found something else to do.
Well enough said. Get some sleep! Im giving you a break tonight. Tomorrow I will be on your case again
being an asshole.
PS: You are right. The Science Forum was a disaster.
I should have pulled out of there immediately. We had three wierdos show up, one a religious kook who is now banned forever, and two other knowitalls who insisted Cooper never got off the plane - the whole
thing in their dead certainty was a govt scam. Conspiracy types ... on a Science forum no less.
It caught me totally by surprise, I argued which was hopeless, and finally just left, and Sluggo came in at the end to offer assistance and posted his website probably with a smirk on his face directed my way.
I smiled at that! So in the end Sluggo was the only person who WON on that forum. It was pretty funny now in retrospect but the truth is, I was glad Sluggo showed up and took the burden off of me. In a manner of speaking he saved my ass there, and that allowed me to leave with some grace. I doubt I have the stuff to survive a place like that. But you
would do well there, probably!
JoBI- JO's Burea of investigation!
GeorgeR I think that is the best line i have heard in here all year.
GeorgeR I think that is the best line i have heard in here all year.
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There are a few items getting left in the killing fields of history and culture from 1971.
First is Kenny's wages of $600 per month. This certainly sounds low by today's iPhone using and BMW 350i driving standards but this is $7,200 per year. According to the National average wage index published by the Social Security Administration, the average wage for 1971 was $6,497.08 (roughly). Kenny was making 10% above this amount and residing in a reasonable cost of living region. True he was not rolling in dough, but he was far from impoverished.
Then there are items which appear and disappear from the cultural landscape with little fanfare. Leg warmers were sported by women across the US in the early 80's and cured cold legs even in Phoenix and Los Angeles. This could cause some higher body temps which triggered perspiration which wrought the head bands. Good luck finding any woman to admit that they ever owned such common fashions, therefore they never existed.
Bring on the 90's and the inexplicable appearance of the Fanny Pack which served as little more than a polyester scrotum worn by men who clearly had none of their own. Astonishing was the fact that these items were a complete joke from day one. Will these same 'men' protest how useful they are for carrying stuff today? Heck no, they will deny, deny, deny. This thing served as a master key to thousands and thousands of closets which opened the way for the new gender called - metro-sexual.
So what items would the average person be clutching in 1971? This was when children somehow soldiered on without backpacks and went to schools which did not have a cafeteria. The average commute distance was six miles and chain restaurants were still in the most aggressive phases of growth. Remember? Lunch boxes and sack lunches were the norm not the exception. In 35 years of work, my father never bought a lunch.
Now in 2010, Cooper and Kenny being spotted with a brown paper sack is a harbinger of something sinister or salacious rather than something as banal as a corned beef sandwich and apple. I guess I was the only person from a 'poor family' that had to come home with my paper sack, so it could be used again. If you were lucky (or rich) you might score one of those long forgotten ice cream sacks that were extra heavy and insulated. You could use those babies for months and they were impervious to rain and fire.
Yes Cooper and Kenny could well have had something else in their sacks and not been entirely happy with earning the national average wage (how different from today). I simply don't see a great deal of weight associated with either after viewing this from a 1971, WABAC machine with Mister Peabody.
Twizzle, twazzle, truzzle, trome, time for this one to go home.
First is Kenny's wages of $600 per month. This certainly sounds low by today's iPhone using and BMW 350i driving standards but this is $7,200 per year. According to the National average wage index published by the Social Security Administration, the average wage for 1971 was $6,497.08 (roughly). Kenny was making 10% above this amount and residing in a reasonable cost of living region. True he was not rolling in dough, but he was far from impoverished.
Then there are items which appear and disappear from the cultural landscape with little fanfare. Leg warmers were sported by women across the US in the early 80's and cured cold legs even in Phoenix and Los Angeles. This could cause some higher body temps which triggered perspiration which wrought the head bands. Good luck finding any woman to admit that they ever owned such common fashions, therefore they never existed.
Bring on the 90's and the inexplicable appearance of the Fanny Pack which served as little more than a polyester scrotum worn by men who clearly had none of their own. Astonishing was the fact that these items were a complete joke from day one. Will these same 'men' protest how useful they are for carrying stuff today? Heck no, they will deny, deny, deny. This thing served as a master key to thousands and thousands of closets which opened the way for the new gender called - metro-sexual.
So what items would the average person be clutching in 1971? This was when children somehow soldiered on without backpacks and went to schools which did not have a cafeteria. The average commute distance was six miles and chain restaurants were still in the most aggressive phases of growth. Remember? Lunch boxes and sack lunches were the norm not the exception. In 35 years of work, my father never bought a lunch.
Now in 2010, Cooper and Kenny being spotted with a brown paper sack is a harbinger of something sinister or salacious rather than something as banal as a corned beef sandwich and apple. I guess I was the only person from a 'poor family' that had to come home with my paper sack, so it could be used again. If you were lucky (or rich) you might score one of those long forgotten ice cream sacks that were extra heavy and insulated. You could use those babies for months and they were impervious to rain and fire.
Yes Cooper and Kenny could well have had something else in their sacks and not been entirely happy with earning the national average wage (how different from today). I simply don't see a great deal of weight associated with either after viewing this from a 1971, WABAC machine with Mister Peabody.
Twizzle, twazzle, truzzle, trome, time for this one to go home.
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Quoting Kenny at $600 a month was being generous. It was actually more like $520, on average. Jim Andersen, the official historian for Northwest Airlines, told me that they started people at NWA at about $2.30 an hour or less, except for the pilots. Benefits=little to none, which is why they kept going out on strike.
The money and his unexplained loans and purchases were only one piece of the puzzle anyway. As far as we can prove for certain, Christiansen went through nearly FOUR TIMES HIS YEARLY INCOME within a mere eight months after the hijacking...and all in cash. His bank records show little or nothing in the bank, checking or savings. Letters home to family say the same thing.
*Loaned $5,000 to Mike Watson's sister to buy a house in Sumner, WA.
*Paid off promissory note on small piece of land he had bought with that note two years previously. Total: $3,000. On this one, he says in one of his letters that he was barely keeping up the tax payments and was unable to do anything with the land because he had no money to do it.
*Bought house with adjoining lot in Bonney Lake, WA: $16,500, no mortgage, paid in cash.
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Mr. Blevins, I edited out a couple of lines just to get to a point.
WE did the very same thing with Weber...We had his tax reports from 1969 until his death. We proved the purchase of 2 cars in 1972, the purchase of a trailer and then a home in that same yr.. We showed spending several times his income and it prove NOTHING to the FBI.
Bear in mind he was released from prison (supposedly) in 1968 and we did not have those tax records. NONE of what we did about any of that meant a thing to the FBI...not one IOTA. Weber was an ex-con and a thief, so it was presumed he may have obtained ALL of this from stolen goods and monies.
If that was the case - he sure must have been a GOOD thief, because he didn't get caught the way he usually did. The income reported, plus the income of the wives DID not support his living style...and generous gifts and loans to others.
There was also a NOTE in his files were he loaned his boss money - duh!. That one was ODD. He paid for and did not finance the 2 new autos in 1972.
Hopefully some of this explains WHY I am not impressed with Christiansen. Been there and done that. (We have all of the paper work and his income was far less than Christiansens) plus he had a wife (who was not working and her kids). They had NO benefits.
If Christiansen had posed that picture for the purpose of proving he was Cooper - he would have used the actual bank bag - one I personally touched and held in my hands in 1990.
What proof did I have - nothing just my memory and the unusual things that happened. NOT one soul has been able to erase from my mind the ticket I held in my own hands, the parking stub and the bank bag......I wish I could do that and the memory of the trip in 1979 and the confession 11 days before he died...a confession I did NOT understand, because I did NOT know who DAN COOOOOPER was.
Understand why I am so adamant - I have a personal investment in this. This is not something I can just WALK away from. If I had been a liar or teller of tales as others have claimed - I could and would have walked away yrs ago. Because I know what I was told and what I have seen with my own eyes and the "money" background doesn't make sense, plus all of the new things we have just learned about Weber are just too much to ignore.
I have been doing this for 14 yrs and only recently been able to establish Weber's connections to WA. The FBI refused to make the Washington connections public yrs ago. Hopefully we will be able to go public with the recent findings, but until then I am not able to discuss them.
TO ALL:
When the FBI talks about Putting a suspect on the Plane -they actually mean having physical evidence the suspect was on the plane. Do they truely expect for there to be physical evidence after 38 yrs?
The agent of record told me yrs ago - "individuals who commit crimes of this nature usually keep souveniers".
I was able to describe an item in detail that Cooper had (one that is not common knowledge to the public) - but one Himmelsbach told me was not important in 1996 and one I did not retrieve from the Mission...therefore, I can't prove it did exist. What I do have is one witness who started to describe the item and I stopped this person and said let me describe it until I got to the very end - there was a "word" regarding this item I was not able to spit out. This witness finished the sentence for me.
This happened in the last 2 yrs and has been my driving force to find the truth....it may also mean something else I hold may also be "a souvenier".
If Skipp Porteous is such an avid investigator maybe he can find this one thing I have searched for which it has evaded me and lots of other Cooper searchers.
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QuoteRetired Special Agent Ralph Himmelsbach is quoted in 'Blast' as saying you (Jo Weber) have changed your story several times to fit the facts of the case. It's in the interview he did with Porteous.
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Dear Sir:
Himmelsbach retorically denied he said such a thing. I have remembered other things, but I have changed nothing. I had somethings out of sequence, but I have changed nothing. The only things that changed were names of places - I did NOT have a map of the area -until I went to WA in 2001 - only then did I know the names of the places.
I had depended on someone else to provide the names of places and I would many yrs later have to argue with him publically on this matter. I also produced proof of what I had told Himmelsbach in 1996 and the FBI and the producers of the documentary. How many conversation have you had with Himmelsbach? I suggest you speak with him personally before publishing unproven statements.
I just got off the phone with Mr. H. and he claimed that was NOT what he said. Obviously his statement was taken OUT of context. I knew little about Duane's history, but that did change over the yrs as I learned more about him.
I have a copy of a letter I sent to Mr. H. with a very rustic map drawn on the back of one of the pages of a many page letter I sent him in 1996. This drawing matches what I have maintained for yrs (and it was done only thru my mind and remembering where he took me and what he said).
Since I had only a map of 1/2 of the U.S. and then acquired a state of WA map - it gave NO details of the area. It would be 2001 before I got to go to WA. and was able to find the places Duane took me. I had no choice prior to that (except to accept names a third party provided). I found the areas and it was in 2001 that I was able to provide the route with names that Duane took me on. After the trip in 2001 - a very generous person provided me with the map I still use to this day...and I was able to properly address the areas.
I knew little of Duane's background other than what the FBI had told me (very little) and the family also filled me in on some empty areas. As far as my research - little has changed other than new discoveries.
Call Mr. H yourself, but not today. He has company.
I walked away from the crew and told them that this was not where Duane took me and refused to participate in a fraud.
I did NOT change my story - it has been very consistent and Mr. H will attest to that.
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You can't know that except as a lay person. And your data is very limited. I'm sure you understand that. It's nice to have opinions. Don't we all -
I am sure Jo's A-team is on it, in any event. We
now have the FBI and the JoBI.
Jo and the FBI will keep us informed through Jo,
on a daily basis.