DB Cooper

[skyjack71 0]

Georger,
I apologize for these jerks. I did not know Tosaw personally but we spoke a few times on the phone. He had his days - he could be nice and then cross as a bear. Please post or call me since I can't send you a personal PM. I would like to know if the garbage currently being posted about Tosaw being murdered is true. The person who emailed me simply said he had die and his age - no more.

We do NOT get WA news here in the deep South so I have no way of knowing. You are not blocked from my pm's so you can do it that way or contact Sluggo for my phone number.

The guys wanted more suspects and I handed them one on a platter - it is very obvious what is happening here.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Did skyjack71 just call me a jerk?

It's showtime then!

(edit) Jo: since the gloves are off.
If you thought for a second that Tosaw was murdered, you have no sense of reality. Honest. That's the nicest way I can say it.

(edit) To everyone else. Please do not investigate Jo's subjects. I am in the process of removing all information about them from the internet. Will be done soon.

[skyjack71 0]

Georger, I am posting what I just found on line.

The Oregonian, Portland, OR
Oct 27, 2009.
TOSAW, Richard T.
Age 84
3/13/1925 - 9/16/2009
Richard T. Tosaw, 84, son of Anastasia Dunn and Walter Tosaw, died
in his sleep of cancer. Richard moved to Oregon after a long residence
in Modesto, Calif. Mr. Tosaw was born in Lincoln, Neb. He spent his
boyhood years in Nebraska and Minnesota, graduated from Central
High in Omaha, Neb., and served as a signalman for the U.S. Coast
Guard. He received his law degree in 1951. Served five years in the
Seattle and San Francisco offices of the FBI. He opened a private law
practice and founded The Bureau of Missing Heirs, Inc., specializing in
escheat law. Richard authored five California laws and two books.
He is survived and loved by two sisters, Helen McCleskey of King City
and Dorothy Thomson of Wickenberg, Ariz. "Uncle Dick" will be missed
by many nieces, nephews and dear friends.

We as a group offer our condolences to his family and apologize for the rude insensitive individual who made those atrocious posts.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

"We as a group" does not include me.

If there are others in your group, you should name them.

Hey! I'm on Tosaw's side here. Bullshit sentimentality from someone who never knew Tosaw is the problem I see.

Georger: If Tosaw was your buddy, tell us more about him. I'll listen.

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I am in the process of removing all information about them from the internet. Will be done soon.

Has the POOF Master revealed himself? We shall see.

I assume he can make things reappear. Snow, please unPOOF that photo Jo saw of the inmate smoke jumpers. OK?

Oh, and one more request: do the same for the Night Clerk's hotel register showing John Collins' visit.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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I am in the process of removing all information about them from the internet. Will be done soon.

Has the POOF Master revealed himself? We shall see.

I assume he can make things reappear. Snow, please unPOOF that photo Jo saw of the inmate smoke jumpers. OK?

Oh, and one more request: do the same for the Night Clerk's hotel register showing John Collins' visit.

377

You bastard! How dare you insult Jo like that!
We as a group apologize for your actions.

I still can't get this thing where people want to make this forum out to be some kind of big kumbaya sewing circle where something is actually happening that's useful or socially redeeming.

it's just one small step from World of Warcraft online gaming. Anyone that believes otherwise, is in the Jo boat.

(edit) If I post this link, is it offensive or just random or actually pretty nicely done?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xYs5g4STiE&feature=related

[skyjack71 0]

If you guys want more suspects to investigate - I am sure I can go thru my files and find more for you. That was not the only person who called me with a story...after all they know they will not be heard by the FBI. I posted the one I did because it is still going on today.

I know one woman confided in a friend about what she suspected in regards to her husband, but it fell on the skirts of what Weber said in 1995 and my going public in 2000. I would presume having knowledge of what I have been thur gave cause for second thoughts, but I would love to meet this woman because these 2 men could somehow be connected. I did explain this to her representative.

The actions of ONE poster can cause this thread to POOF and he is very aware of this. I have something to say before that happens - we may have put Weber in a chute. This was found in some OLD records and if it is true - the FBI has known about it for some time.

This information was shared only with "select" individuals, but I have been expecting exactly what is happening in the thread for some time. A lot of people hide behind those avatars - and unbeknown to us - they are very clever writers and investigators masquerading as Cooper buffs.

There may still be some reason to cover-up the identity of Cooper and control information made public. The best way to do that is "manage" the thread in-order to have it self-destruct on command....

Things have not been moving as fast as expected - because the research is mostly volunteer it has to be sandwiched amongest what they do for a living. It is being done. Much more has been found than the FBI ever admitted...now we know some secrets no one ever told. One I found today - something I already knew but didn't know the link. This is what is consistently happening. I had it, but didn't have the link.....

Thank you for your indulgence due to the lenght of this post, but I felt it was necessary to do at this time - because more time is something you can never count on.

Who was Dan Cooper? If you don't know Now, you will Never Know.

One thing is for certain - he is a ghost and I saw him this afternoon exiting down a set of stairs in what appeared to be a stadium. He was wearing a maroon windbreaker and sporting a tan, full white mustache and a head of white hair. He looked good and well...he didn't look sick anymore and he was moving the way he did yrs before he died. He hasn't left the building yet.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

If I'm a jerk, what would someone who isn't a jerk say after your post, Jo?

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If you guys want more suspects to investigate - I am sure I can go thru my files and find more for you.

Jo,

Are you saying there is more than one viable Cooper suspect?
Didn't you say that Duane was Cooper beyond any doubt? Have you changed your mind?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 267]

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"We as a group" does not include me.

If there are others in your group, you should name them.

Hey! I'm on Tosaw's side here. Bullshit sentimentality from someone who never knew Tosaw is the problem I see.

Georger: If Tosaw was your buddy, tell us more about him. I'll listen.

You can find Richard's vita on the Internet.

Please do not keep saying he was murdered.
He was not.

Thanks.
G

[skyjack71 0]

Did you read post I just made above. By the time I finished it there were 3 posts already. NO I have NOT changed my mind - but there are others who knew who Cooper was.

PS Georger: I posted the OBIT for you - unless there is another one which might have more information...which I am sure there will be in a couple of days.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[JerryThomas 0]

It wasn't Dwane Weber.Give it up Jo. Jerry

[Sluggo_Monster 0]

snowmman,


Yes... there is a poster here who has a personal connection to Tosaw.

I think you know that.

Therefore... I don't think you are a jerk... I think you are a DICK.

Let's see how it goes down when one of your dogs die!

Most civilized people respect those who are grieving and/or honoring the recently deseased and it is socially inappropriate to say anything negative about a (recently) deceased person, Remember “De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est”?

I guess you are just differentially socialized.

Web Page
Blog
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[Sluggo_Monster 0]

Jo,


I have a great idea for you:

There is a new program on truTV called Jesse Ventura: Conspiracy Theory. In case you don’t recognize the name… Jesse Ventura (born James Janos) grew up in idyllic Minneapolis. Upon finishing high-school, he served as a Navy SEAL in the Vietnam War. After his discharge, his interest in college theater led him into the pro wrestling ring, where, using the nickname The Body, he became a worldwide star. When physical illness forced him to retire from the ring, he turned to Hollywood and was featured in numerous action films.

He began his career in politics in 1990, when he defeated the longtime incumbent mayor of Brooklyn Park, MN. Eight years later he ran for governor of Minnesota, and as a third-party candidate he defeated heavily-favored Democratic and Republican opponents. Jesse served one-term but declined to run for reelection.

Ventura is the author of four books, including I Ain't Got Time to Bleed and Don't Start the Revolution Without Me.


The first program was on the HARP facility (as a weather weapon) and the second was on 9/11 (as a false-flag attack).

I’m sure they need ideas for future programming and would welcome your point of view about a “cover-up” in the NORJAK case.

Why don’t you give them a call? It’ll just cost you a phone call. The worse thing that can happen, is they say they aren’t interested. If they are interested, you’ll have a crack team of investigators searching for evidence of a cover-up at no costs to you.

The contact info is:
truTV
600 Third Avenue
New York, NY 10016
Phone: 800.268.7856

Or, send an e-mail by going to and select the “contact us” tab at:

www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

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NORJAK Forum

[snowmman 3]

I am an evil Sith Lord*, masquerading as a Cooper Buff.

Peace is a lie; there is only passion.
Through passion; I gain strength.
Through strength; I gain power.
Through power; I gain victory.
Through victory; my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

(* Characterized by their single-minded pursuit of power and disdain for sentient life, they are an alliance of warrior mages who use the dark side of the Force and serve as counterparts to the Jedi Knights.)


I honestly can't think of anything clever to top the proposition that someone would "pose" as a "Cooper Buff".

Hmm. Maybe a proposition that people went to Tosaw's funeral just to steal toilet paper?

Hey Tosaw: Good Life. I read about some of the other searches you did. Even though it sounds glib, I think Tosaw meant it when he said he just did things that he thought were fun or interesting.

[snowmman 3]

So Sluggo: you're proposing that no one I cared about has ever died, and that only a future dog death will be the first time I confront the problems of everyone's guaranteed mortality? That's an interesting theory.

Now I will grant there's a sensitivity to the word "murder" which has all sorts of negative stuff.

But it's amazing to me, what gets people going, and what is "okay".

Jo can rant about "Rogue Rangers" etc...that's okay. But talk about a recent death in some unacceptable way ..oh boy!

Reminds me of Gilbert Godfrey at the Friars' Club:

"Gottfried famously told the venerable Aristocrats joke at a Friars Club roast of Hugh Hefner just three weeks after the September 11 terrorist attacks. Gottfried's quick wit saved what could have been a notorious disaster. He began his monologue joking that he had intended to catch a plane, but couldn't get a direct flight because "they said they have to connect with the Empire State Building first." Audience members nervously responded with gasps and cries of "Too soon!". Gottfried first thought this was relating to the speed of his joke."


If you want to respect someone who just died, talking about him is the way to do it. Talking about the survivors is just talking about the survivors. Who cares about them? they're still alive.

Let's hear some Tosaw stories!

(edit) Or hell! why no comments on the TSA doc?

[Orange1 0]

Gee..it's sometimes hard catching up here at day's end.

377, your ..um, naiviete or should i say good faith in a list of suspects from Jo is probably misplaced. Who do you think she's going to give you? Hey, maybe you will finally discover the mysterious night clerk in china... actually exists! now wouldn't that be a surprise? maybe then we could even start believing that no-one has ever lied in a sworn statement (or whatever you call them there).

baby o has not been to a dz yet.. however, although she usually ignores the TV when it's on in the background, she has been fascinated by one particular commercial featuring birds and has started flapping her arms in imitation of flight when she sees it. what can i say, i guess it's in the blood

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Did you read post I just made above. By the time I finished it there were 3 posts already. NO I have NOT changed my mind - but there are others who knew who Cooper was.

PS Georger: I posted the OBIT for you - unless there is another one which might have more information...which I am sure there will be in a couple of days.

Yes and thanks. Here's another link. Public knowldge.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art23490.asp

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snowmman,


Yes... there is a poster here who has a personal connection to Tosaw.

I think you know that.

Therefore... I don't think you are a jerk... I think you are a DICK.

Let's see how it goes down when one of your dogs die!

Most civilized people respect those who are grieving and/or honoring the recently deseased and it is socially inappropriate to say anything negative about a (recently) deceased person, Remember “De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est”?

I guess you are just differentially socialized.

Finally! Appreciated. Our familes are linked going
back to the 40s through Steve Tosaw, Richard's brother, and relatives of mine. The Tosaw family
is honored here and always will be.

G.

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Gee..it's sometimes hard catching up here at day's end.

377, your ..um, naiviete or should i say good faith in a list of suspects from Jo is probably misplaced. Who do you think she's going to give you? Hey, maybe you will finally discover the mysterious night clerk in china... actually exists! now wouldn't that be a surprise? maybe then we could even start believing that no-one has ever lied in a sworn statement (or whatever you call them there).

baby o has not been to a dz yet.. however, although she usually ignores the TV when it's on in the background, she has been fascinated by one particular commercial featuring birds and has started flapping her arms in imitation of flight when she sees it. what can i say, i guess it's in the blood

Orange, I am surprised nobody seems excited?
about an exact dupplicate of Cooper's tie clip
and similar ties, showing up in McCoy's dresser,
as a basic part of the Mormon uniform.

If you recall, we spent weeks pondering over
possible linkage for the tie and tie clip... a
Mormon connection was suggesated once but
not pursued.

As fate would also have it, Jo and Duane spent
time at Salt Lake City poking around, for God only
knows what. The one credit I have always given
Jo and Duane is they had pretty good noses when
it came time to feret out 'opportunities'. Jo's
description of her and Duanes time at SaltLake
City indicates a similar quest of some kind. Who
knows what they were after or why? Jo has never
been explicit about this ... so far as I know.

But say a crime happened in my area and a tie
and tie clip like Cooper's left at the scene. It
would not take long to connect those items to a population in my area - they are very specific in
character, and searches in that population might
lead to the person involved.

There is also another fact-based connection.
I dont really know what McCoy's background was
in the LDF community to have him going to Brigham
Young, however I do know people in the LDF walk a
pretty tight line when it comes to social values and
conduct. Crime in that community is not unknown
and specific kinds of crime in that community are
not unknown. Certain communities have certain
propensities for certain kinds of crimes. The LDF
community has very strong political beliefs. LDF
members have been known to act out on those
beliefs, historically. (Have you ever heard of the
Mountain Meadows Massacre, for example.) There
is nothing in the LFD community that would prevent
someone from conducting a hijacking, especially
as a quasi politically linked act of personal heroism.
McCoy hijacked and was a member of the LDF community. I know this is sounding a lot like the
things Jo would say, except int his case one linkage
is real - Richard McCoy. And I am not the first to
suggest such a linkage. It could be the same linkage but in a different form (expression) within
the same community. Two similar acts of hijacking
possibly related but independent, where one of the parties knew the other. McCoy told agents he would
not talk about the Cooper hijacking. He may have been protecting somebody he suspected. Like Duane, he may have had an idea (even a better idea) of who Cooper was? Because while the tie and tie clip are somewhat universal they are specific within the LDF and similar comunities from the Northwest in through Utah and into Canada, just as they are very specific to one community in my area...

It is a lead which has substance behind it ...

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The best tip of the hat to Tosaw would be to finally say he was probably right about Cooper landing in the water!

A river drowning gives the best explanation for Coopers disappearance, but didn't G present a reasonably convincing argument about how statisically unlikely a water landing was?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The best tip of the hat to Tosaw would be to finally say he was probably right about Cooper landing in the water!

A river drowning gives the best explanation for Coopers disappearance, but didn't G present a reasonably convincing argument about how statisically unlikely a water landing was?

377

Below is a link to a short segment of the movie Big Trouble.
It is about radio sports call-in program discussing a Florida college football team.
Watch the clip and then decide if we need to discuss
landing in the water...again. It's only 1:43, but enlightening.

clicky

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Did you read post I just made above. By the time I finished it there were 3 posts already. NO I have NOT changed my mind - but there are others who knew who Cooper was.

PS Georger: I posted the OBIT for you - unless there is another one which might have more information...which I am sure there will be in a couple of days.

Yes and thanks. Here's another link. Public knowldge.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art23490.asp

Sounds like Tosaw had the "treasure hunting" bug. His sought treasure wasn't money but rather items of historical interest to him.

You see guys like him scanning parks with metal detectors and they seem really happy when they find a quarter with their $2500 magnetometer. It is the quest and the excitement of a possible significant find that gives them the pleasure. They don't care about profit and loss.

Tosaw spent a lot of money trying to find Cooper, didnt find him but didn't seem to be full of regret. His underwater searches evidenced a huge degree of personal optimism. I mean what were the chances he'd actually find Cooper or more NORJACK loot? Infintesimal, yet he made the costly effort anyway.

The article G linked said: "Tosaw later transferred to Creighton University, earning his bachelor's degree, then got his law degree at Denver University Law School in December 1950. "

The State Bar of CA shows both his undergrad and JD degrees from Denver University, nothing about a Creighton BA.

Orange, Baby O is definitely a Sky Baby. The early signs are unmistakable. Just think, in about 17 years she will look at your now current rig hanging in the garage and say: "Mom, I just can't believe you jumped that junk back in the day." She will have just purchased a liquid helium vaporizer for her highly pressurized semi rigid deployable inflatable reinforced mylar canopy. It will happen sooner than you think possible.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 267]

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The best tip of the hat to Tosaw would be to finally say he was probably right about Cooper landing in the water!

A river drowning gives the best explanation for Coopers disappearance, but didn't G present a reasonably convincing argument about how statisically unlikely a water landing was?

377

My stats were based on a random
drop anywhere along the FBI flight path bwteen
SEA and south of Portland, ie. simple ratio of land
mass to water.

Snow's stats were more focused and also correct.
If Cooper drops randomly along the flight path
but only bwteeen say Scotton and south of Portland, the the ratio of water area to land area increases - thats obvious. Then Snow's stats apply.

The more you restrict the dropzone to an area close
to water, the higher the probability of striking water.
If you add winds that favor a drop direction toward
water then you increase the odds of a water landing
even further.

If Cooper bailed close to the Columbia, say just
north of the Columbia, were the winds inthis area
at 235* (NE) that night or 166* (NW) as Bohan reported. Bohan reported severe cross winds
landing at Portland. He reported winds 'right on my nose' coming south (behind and above 305).
Winds charts for the time period show convection
cells in this corridor, circling CCW to the west.
If Cooper jumps in this corridor and is caught in
a CCW cell he may have been swept back to the
NW (not NE) which along with his forward throw takes him in the direction of the Columbia River laid out
in a west-east line below the flight path in this area, and this (the CCW cells) increases the odds of landing in water, maybe even near Tina Bar itself.

I believe this is the reasoning Snowman has had going back years when years ago he speculated about Cooper augering into the mud, in the Columbia Basin and possibly close to Tina Bar or
Vancouver Lake.

Any calculation of probabilities in this matter must
take into account the area and the winds, especially
the nature of those winds (eg. rotating convective cells). Cooper's fall may not have been a linear line
and if the wind charts are correct there is a high
probability his drop line was not a simple straight line but an arc.

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A river drowning gives the best explanation for Coopers disappearance, but didn't G present a reasonably convincing argument about how statisically unlikely a water landing was?

377

Statistically unlikely is one thing, actual occurrence is another. How statistically likely is it that someone will win the lottery - but people do? How statistically likely is it to get struck by lightning in the same place twice - yet people do? Perhaps more appropriate, how statistically likely is it that a skydiver will hit the only obstacle in a huge field - but they do?

Snow, the tie pin theory - surely someone in the FBI, especially those who thought McCoy was Cooper, would have put 2 +2 together on the tie pin? Do you think maybe Chevron Man was Cooper? Duane wanted to blackmail him?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.