DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

I was thinking about successful hijacks.

This one in 1999 was successful.
They got 3 people released from capitivity and apparently got away clean.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/584729.stm

It was Indian Airlines flight 814
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Airlines_Flight_814

From wikipedia:

"The hijackers initially demanded the release of 35 Islamic militants in Indian jails and US$200 million in cash but Indian negotiators succeeded in persuading the hijackers in reducing their demand to the release of just three prisoners. These were:

* Maulana Masood Azhar — founded Jaish-e-Muhammed in 2000 which gained notoriety for its alleged role in 2001 Indian Parliament attack.
* Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh — arrested in 2002 by Pakistani authorities for the abduction and murder of Daniel Pearl.
* Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar — has played an active role since release in training Islamic militants in Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who had been imprisoned in connection with 1994 kidnappings of Western tourists in India, went on to murder Daniel Pearl and also allegedly played a significant role in planning the September 11 attacks in the United States."

another (claimed) trivia
"During Operation Enduring Freedom, U.S. Special Forces recovered IC-814 boarding passes from abandoned Taliban camps near Kandahar indicating that the hijackers had collaborated with local Taliban militia."

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As for Guru, his repeated denials make me suspicious

Jeesh, guys, how many times do I have to tell you?

I am not D B Cooper. I may have been at one time but I am not now.

Hmmm..let's see, your repeated denials arouse suspicion, so your response is ...another denial?! That proves you are. (Hey, I can do this twisted logic thing too).

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Remember Rod Serling's T Zone episode with the GREMLIN prying open the airliner engine nacelle?

What if Cooper didnt exit, he just crawled up the fuselage and hid in the intake to the number two engine?

What if Mayfield was Cooper but somehow convinced the FBI to rule him out?

What if Georger and Snowmman became friends?

Pick one of the above as the most likely.

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Re Mayfield convincing the FBI...The Mayfield story goes .... H provided him with an alibi. He knew H from "before". The theory was that he had something on H.
I think it was Jerry who dissed this idea - said H was too honest.

I can't remember all the details of the Mayfied theory, but apparently it wasn't long after the hijacking that he bought ...something (a DZ, an airfield, an airplane, can't remember what but pretty sure it was something to do with a plane or skydiving).

Did I just say "airplane"? Been hanging around you Americans too long

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The whole Mayfield / Ralph connection warrants more investigation. It is almost as if they were involved in some kind of coverup. Maybe not the cooper caper, but they sure do have some sort of history.

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The whole Mayfield / Ralph connection warrants more investigation. It is almost as if they were involved in some kind of coverup. Maybe not the cooper caper, but they sure do have some sort of history.

There was a fair bit of discussion of it on one of the other Cooper forums. I may be wrong but I think one of the guys was on here for a while - the guy from the old thread who had some kind of illness and sadly passed away. I'll see if i can find the posts I am referring to - it was a long time ago and i can't even remember which website it was on.

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this was the page that came up, you can go down, previous, next etc (if you don't gave your fill of cooper theories just from here)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49742

I'll post some more details later but... just saw a jet has been hijacked in mexico

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some extracts. none of this has proof attached from what i can see but, hey, why break the pattern?

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Heck, Ted even assisted the FBI with the investigation.

HE was nice enough to let the FBI look through his records, and h-bach would even call Ted and ask him about certain suspects, and TEd would identify the suspects.

One guy Ted helped identify was in jail. Gee, I wonder how he knew him?

And people wonder why Ted never fled. He knew within two hours after the crime that he probably had gotten away with the crime.

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This is a basic questions that has already been addressed, but what is Mayfield's alibi for that night? Just the phone call?

Also, was a picture of Mayfiled from 1971 shown to the witnesses?

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Just the phone call at 10pm

the FBI never did show a picture of Mayfield to the flight attendants.

(yes Jo they were writing a book, but happy to admit it)

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First time we told Teddy we were writing a book about DB Cooper, he immediately went into his alibi.

Teddy's story is that the FBI called him 4 times while the hijacker was on the jet.

The first time was looking for chutes and his expertise. Tedd claims he told the FBI to call EC.

Then, Teddy tells the FBI, "well, I'm going out to dinner with my girlfriend, here's her number if you need to speak to me"

Then, supposedly, according to Teddy, the FBI called him back 3 more times. ASking him "If a person could possibly leapt from the rear of a 727 safely. Teddy told them, if he can get the stairs down, then you bet."

A very, very hard story to believe.

First, the FBI says this never happened.

Second, why didn't the fBI ask Teddy to deliver the chutes to the Portland airport as a precaution, just in case EC wasn't home. How did Teddy know EC would be available the night before Thanksgiving. Why would the FBI first call a rigger in Portland, when the chutes were needed in Seattle, some 150 miles away.

Third, if Teddy didn't help with the chutes, why in the heck would the FBI ask him for skydiving advice. In Seattle, they had EC, Ft.Lewis, and McChord, filled with specialists.

Fourth, the hijacker threatens to kill 42 people, and Teddy decides to go out to dinner? Please. And we are suppose to believe he helped in the search for Cooper. NOt consistent.

they also came to a conclusion some here might agree with:

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YEs, lowering those stairs is the only thing that Cooper didn't have any prior experience with during his crime. And it shows.

but the book people were not the ones who thought H was involved - i evidently got a couple of Mayfield theories mixed up in my memory - this is the same people above, in response to a suggestion H was in on it:

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I agree it does look bad, and there is a chance.

The million dollar question.

Assuming h-bach is in on it.

Why did he meet us for lunch, 30 years after the event? and

When I brought up Ted's name, why didn't H-bach simply say, "you idiot, of course I checked out his alibi. Ted was thoroughly checked out. TEd and his girlfriend went to Denny's, and then to a movie. I checked with the Denny's waitress, his visa bill, and the movie theatre, and also with the girlfriend. In addition, the phone call was made from his house. We also checked that out. In addition, I ran his photo past Flo and she said it wasn't him"

That is my problem. Explain to me the above.

If I was in on it, that is what I would have said. I wouldn't have admitted to a couple of civilians that I never checked out his whereabouts between 2 and 10pm on 11/24

and you know what. We would have folded our hand. The current FBI isn't going to verify that information.

So, that is why I still doubt your claims. I think it is possible, but, we are talking about a respected, retired FBI agent, Not some Barney Fife police chief in a town of 3,000 people.

oooh, this post must be as long as ..... some other people's i'll break for a bit (but wait... there's more....)

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BTW Teddy told h-bach that the skydiver "was inexperienced and that it is inconceivable the skydiver could land uninjured". that was Ted in 1971, and the video on IE he states "I could have made that jump with no problem".

(dunno what IE is, some TV show on it I gather)

OK, i just ran out of steam... somewhere out there is the theory H was in on it, i'll find it another evening.

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Guru312. What a relief. At least you admit your status. Thank god for normal thinking. Jerry

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Orange One . no wonder you are so sucessful. Your reasoning technique's are beyound reproach. Jerry

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Jo Post your record's And prove date's time's and document number's on everything from day one then give name's and phone number's . also show all evidence you have supplied to all agencies . This you can not do and will not ever be able to do. further more please post all the new info you say you have if you can't do all this. then tell me what you can do . Supply it to all. Please. Or give up your quest . Jerry

I have over 12 feet of documents - closer to 15 ft.
You are the one who claims you have proof Duane was NOT Cooper. I have dates and documents. Copies of letters to Himmelsbach and emails since 2000 to the FBI.

You are the one who Claims YOU have proof Duane was NOT Cooper. You claim the FBI records prove Duane was NOT Cooper, so why do you care what I have?

You forgot that Himmelsbach advise me in the beginning to keep records - until 2000 it is journaled notes and date planners of those I spoke to and the cause of the contact. After 2000 there are lots of emails.

Perhaps you should ask - Sluggo what I have - and he only got to see a very small portion of what I have in 12 hrs.

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[snowmman 3]

According to this book, in 1973, the FBI hired Douglas Durham to infiltrate the American Indian Movement (AIM) at Wounded Knee.
This was around the time when AIM occupied Wounded Knee and the US invaded and then had trials. (Russell Means, Dennis Banks, Leonard Peltier etc)

Douglas Durham was a member of CIA SF team in the late 1950s and early 1960's. He worked with the US-supported Cubans on the Bay of Pigs in 1961.

He was whacked for other reasons (shrink called him a violent schizophrenic) and did various crimes.


Says he dyed his hair black (old family photos show brown hair?) and wore brown contact lens, pretending to be part Chippewa. (Durham was non-native).

page 266 here
http://books.google.com/books?id=d12rPr834SEC&pg=PA266

The issue of Douglas Durham being paid by FBI or CIA to infiltrate AIM is well established elsewhere.

Drug Wars: The Political Economy of Narcotics
by Curtis Marez

# Paperback: 384 pages
# Publisher: University of Minnesota Press (April 2004)

His full name was Douglas Frank Durham
Apparently earned $20k from FBI.

There's a lot of dirty laundry around Durham and what happened with AIM and the FBI back then, and how many people got killed where.

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I remember reading about the FBI's infiltration of AIM.

Brown contacts as a disguise may not be such a wild leap of faith. Wonder if it was a commonly used CIA or FBI disguise trick?

I wonder if Braden had a NORJACK alibi?

The Mayfield H relationship and the apparent lack of thoroughness in Ted M's alibi investigation needs further scrutiny.

I still think Braden makes a great Cooper but for the eyes.

Galen Cook is awfully quiet... Tom K too. I bet Ckret still reads this forum though he can no longer post.

We know Guru still reads it now and then.

Jo, I really think you were mistaken about the inmate smoke jumper photo and caption. I have searched diligently (my diligent search is like Snowmman operating at 25% power). I can find nothing to corroborate what you claim to have seen.

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The whole Mayfield / Ralph connection warrants more investigation. It is almost as if they were involved in some kind of coverup. Maybe not the cooper caper, but they sure do have some sort of history.

Himmelsbach and Mayfield along with one member of the crew - all knew this was an inside job.The FFA was behind Cooper and even had one of the crew give him a refresher course in jumping. We could even resurrect McCoy and make him part of all of this. Oh and I forgot McCoy really wasn't killed.
Don't want to forget the riddle Duane supposedly sang during his 6 wk training time in Mn.[/sly]

Guys I really had a man contact me YRS ago with the above story and I only recounted it just to let you know the extremes others have gone to prove who Cooper was and looking for 15 minutes of fame.

One truth I extracted from the hours of conversation I had with this man was - was that he had to have known Duane and his wife of the time for a period of time. The ex-wife was still alive when this man contacted me and I asked her why she never told me, she and Duane had lived in Bloomington, Mn. Her reply was that it was only for about 6 wks and since they were on the run from the FBI she didn't think about it. The dates she quoted and the dates from the informer where only separated by about 6 months.

This man told me some truths, but he kept adding to his story as I deliberately fed him untruths regarding Duane. To protect myself I copied everything I sent him to Doug Pasternac - and from there his story grew and grew and grew changing all they way to match the untruths. Doug always knew what was true and what was bait.

This contact never knew about the "Gunn" man. but then in his telling of the story he claims he told me about Gunn - yet I had emails where he didn't know this man I told him about and suddenly he is a central character in his story. I do believe that this man did indeed know Duane and the ex-wife as he told me things about certain characteristics of Duane you would NOT know unless you had been around him. I have my opinion of how he knew Duane, but it is only my opinion.

Maybe this man's story is true!
Bruce would have love this man - his story was one Bruce could sink his teeth into. This man has contacted many writers and has been a pain in the ass (like myself) with the FBI. This man also was very strong about Mkultra (don't know how it is spelled) - the mind control thing. He sent me a lot of information on it.

He also claimed the FBI had granted him a full pardon for the information he revealed regarding Duane - this statement made me think perhaps he actually knew Duane from prison. I finally had to separate myself from the situation - simple because of the obvious untruths in his story that evolved over a period of time. Yet, there are parts of his story that will always haunt me.

I have lots more of those kind of stories, but this man was unrelenting - had he never have lied to me maybe I would have kept on pursueing that end of it.

This is just one of the many stories I can tell you about.

Perhaps you would rather hear the story about the ex-con who was in jail with Duane in Oregon, except that Duane was not in jail in Oregon at that time...I did verify all of that...with the Sheriffs office and thru the county records of that city and county...I would have to find his story in all of these 10's of thousand of papers and documents to remember the details.

The new guy is right maybe this thread should go on forever

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Jo I have forgot nothing. It is you that seem's to forget comment's made to you by all Or you choose to ignore all comment's . Bottom line is put up or shut up . if you please. Many people are tired of aligation's of false pretense that you make. To include the storie's that you add to and alter then make up new one's to fit your mood or to coincide with a new story that you have had a dream about or for some unknown reason that you remember and never experienced or had any conection with. Where these stories come from only you know. So please from now on when you make a statement make it factual and document it along with follow up paper ///WORK.The paper work that you need to back your storie's up does not exist. If it did you would have produced it year's ago when I first ask you too.You have become a amusing side show too all. You may not believe this but all you have to do is read all statments given to you by all. Yet you refuse to do so and continue to add more fictious fact's to storie's. Go figure. I wish I could help you to understand that your quest for fame and richies are at a dead end . Not going to happen . Here is why. You have produced to many unbelievable storie's. Made to many derogortory statement's. Added to much to storie's you have created. This I have told you in the past .But aparently you have a hearing problem. So now read this post . Just maybe it will register in your mind . Jerry

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He also claimed the FBI had granted him a full pardon for the information he revealed

The FBI has no power to grant pardons.

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I remember reading about the FBI's infiltration of AIM.

Brown contacts as a disguise may not be such a wild leap of faith. Wonder if it was a commonly used CIA or FBI disguise trick?

I wonder if Braden had a NORJACK alibi?

The Mayfield H relationship and the apparent lack of thoroughness in Ted M's alibi investigation needs further scrutiny.

I still think Braden makes a great Cooper but for the eyes.

Galen Cook is awfully quiet... Tom K too. I bet Ckret still reads this forum though he can no longer post.

We know Guru still reads it now and then.

Jo, I really think you were mistaken about the inmate smoke jumper photo and caption. I have searched diligently (my diligent search is like Snowmman operating at 25% power). I can find nothing to corroborate what you claim to have seen.

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Why dont you go on Coast-to-Coast
or the Art Bell Show? (v holaq ad hene!)

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"In addition, the phone call was made from his house. We also checked that out. In addition, I ran his photo past Flo and she said it wasn't him"


Orange wasn't that quote made by the same man who later took Mayfield on - I forgot his name?
This man and his buddy actually got Mayfield to go on a local radio or tv talk show. Later everything got quiet about Mayfield and the Gossett and Christainsen thing took front page in Cooper World. You do know that DBCoopercatcher from the Unsolved Mysteries thread and the man you are talking about are (I think) one and the same.

This man like Cook kept jumping around on suspects. It was around this time that Cook started contacting me - at one time I thought Cook was DBCoopercatacher, but if he was he really dumbed down for a cover.

There is NO way I can find the thing you guys do - I don't know what kind of search things you use - keywords don't help me at all. All I have is my 70 yr old mind and it is having a hard time keeping up with all of the stories I have read and heard.

A very good reason for sticking to the truth as close as you can.
I get caught up in the theories, but always go back to what I do know.

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377 I'm sure you already Know that no pardon's have ever been granted in this case. The only intervention involving this case was made by the FBI (Ralph) was in regards to Brian Ingram's father. When the money was turned in Brian's father had a arrest warrant out from Oklahoma. The FBI assisted in helping Brian's Father in resolving this minor situation. Jerry Ps. The fact's as to what Brian's father's warrant was issued will never be released by myself or Ralph . so Please don't ask. I will tell you that it was not serious or Threatning to any living Being.It was just a common mistake that most people make.

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He also claimed the FBI had granted him a full pardon for the information he revealed

The FBI has no power to grant pardons.

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I was just capping his story out and didn't think anyone would be interested. Doug Pasternac and Himmelsbach are fully aware of this man.

He said he went before a Judge who granted him a full pardon and indicated this was for his statements about Duane to the FBI. I would have to find the emails and phone call notes - I have been trying to separate them by subject instead of the chronologically order, but that is an endless job.

As I said - there were lots of reasons for discounting his story and I did ask the FBI about his claiming he had a full pardon for his testimony. The agent did not answer me or discuss this man..only that they were aware of him.

Parts of this were on a computer that crashed (2003) but I have the hard copies of it...I haven't heard from him in a long time - and what he has sent me since that time are just general things not related to Cooper. In my last Cooper related contact with him he said couldn't discuss it anymore...and I let him be...this was shortly after his "pardon".

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Jo, I really think you were mistaken about the inmate smoke jumper photo and caption. I have searched diligently (my diligent search is like Snowmman operating at 25% power). I can find nothing to corroborate what you claim to have seen.

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I still search for that "ghost" of a picture - it is imbedded in my mind - I will never forget it.

I contact the historians - and nothing - but I have never given up that one day - maybe...just maybe I will find it. If this one thing has you searching can you imagine what it does to me.

I will tell you the yr it was on the computer was in early 2000. The subjects I researched at that time were firejumping, firefighters, prisons, parachutes - because that was my mind-set at that time and I do have emails (hard copies) of my telling Doug about it. I also told him on the phone - then when we went looking it was gone...I was unable to print a hard copy because my printer screwed up.

Maybe I need a Ghost Buster. I didn't know at that time how to save searches or sites.

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He said he went before a Judge who granted him a full pardon and indicated this was for his statements about Duane to the FBI.

Strike two on this guy's story. Judges have no power to grant pardons.

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Jo why is it Flo and your coversation differ's. Another exageration. Or could it be that you don't even have proof of your conversation with Flo. We all Know one fact, And that is flo's statement was that the composite drawing that was made did not even look like Cooper. Now what doe's that do to your alligation's That Duane's picture resembled Cooper. So why do you bring up flo's name as a reference.All this does is prove once again that Duane wasn't Cooper.Jerry ( Flo was in a documentary and made her statment's about the drawing.)

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He said he went before a Judge who granted him a full pardon and indicated this was for his statements about Duane to the FBI.

Strike two on this guy's story. Judges have no power to grant pardons.

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See what I mean - then my gut was right. Where were you back then? I spent a lot of time and money communicating with this guy - hoping that something just might POP. There are some other Cooper "searchers" who have been "Snowed" by this guy also. He contacted Gray and I am not sure about Cook. I am sure Cook being an attorney he just brushed him off.

I guess I should contact Gray and let him know what you just posted - He asked me about the man's story and I told him what I thought and the judge and pardon thing just finished it off. It is like icing on a cake - yummy!

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Why dont you go on Coast-to-Coast
or the Art Bell Show? (v holaq ad hene!)

Actually Art wants me on the show live. Negotiations broke down over the type of "limo" he was going to send for me. He went from Lincoln Town Car to Black Helicopter. I told him nothing short of a 300 MPG vapor carbureted super car (all but one were seized and melted down by Big Oil goons) would do. Rush Limbaugh owns it. He bought it from Jay Leno who bought it from Neill Young.

Art and I got sidetracked talking about ham radio. He has a fondness for radios made in Cedar Rapids. Georger knows all about em.

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