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Jo

There is another side door. See photo.

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Have you ever previously mentioned Duane explaining 727 stair deployment to you?

Describe the "wheel" in more detail.

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AH Yes! That fits with my memory, but was that DOOR ever used to for passengers entry or exit on the ground? I want to say we entered and exited at that door, but looking at the picture that would seem strange considering it doesn't seem to be that large a plane and the aft stair exit would have been more feasible. Our trip to the Islands I believe was in 1987 and therefore maybe the bottom aft stair way had been sealed off and the plane we were on may have had special 1st class VIP passengers using the front door.

This trip to the Islands is when he explained how the stairway worked in detail. He did tell me this exit was used for deliveries - I asumed food carts and cleaning services.

I can't remember the name of the Island, we landed on, and don't have a map of that area. We had to take a puddle jumper that was a bucket of bolts to St. Martins - scariest plane I have ever been on in my life...I was terrified until we got on the ground in St.Thomas ,but we had a better plane on our return trip to the bigger island.

Some of the group took side trips to St. Croix. Our luggage had been lost and we were without clothes until about a half an hour before the Banquet. Someone had loaned me a dress but shoes to fit me were NOT to be found AAAA so I was going barefoot. We didn't have time to have our things pressed and where late getting down to the Awards banquet, but it had already been relayed to the group we were on our way with our own clothes.

Since someone posted a pcture of the aft stair door - my mind has that all mixed up now,...I just remembered that the image I had in my memory didn't exactly match the picture that was posted way back when. I am sure that different airlines had revamps over the yrs - because of the fabric covering on that wall and the door of the plane we were on to St. Croix (since I keep mentioning St. Croix maybe that is where the 727 flew into).

Because of the lost luggage, the trip of my life was pretty miserable as I had flown out in a suit as was the custom in those days. Can you even imagine going on site seeing trips in suits (both of us)...and the clothes on the island were terribly expensive. Because we didn't have a change of clothes was why we didn't go with the group to shop and play on another island.

If someone had 4 or 5 different views of the wheel from 727's I would be able to pick out the closest to my memory. The woven fabric was of a rich dark golden tan color on that rear panel, makes me think this plane in 1987 had been revamped and it seemed more appointed than another 727 I took to Ky...in the 90's.

Duane and I flew out of Denver to Atlanta in 1977 - 1980, but I don't know what kind of plane it was. This is the flight he hid for a great deal of the time in the bathroom until the 1st class stewardess closed the curtain. On this trip whatever plane we were on we definitely sat on the right side of the plane.

On that trip to Atlanta - he was hiding from a stewardess he said was an old girlfriend. I kept trying to get a glimps of her and that is all I got - but she sure looked like the pictures I have seen since of Florence Shaffner without the extreme hairdo's. This woman had shoulder length hair, but not touching the shoulders if I remember - my hair was longer and thicker than hers and the color (if it was real) had a slight auburn cast to it but still classified as brunett.

When Duane finally came back to his seat he changed seats with me so he was facing the wing and window - he kept a magazine in front of him. This was odd - because he was usually looking all around him at things - not behind a magazine.
As soon as the stewardesses started to serve the drinks - he told me what to order him and again he stayed in that bathroom forever.

He told me she was an old girlfriend and he didn't want anything to do with her (that DID NOT sound like the Duane I knew and then spent 14 more yrs with after that). When we got off of the plane. We had to have walked right past the stewardess I would think...I will note that I was looking for her so I could get a better look at her and do not remember seeing her. Duane seemed visibly nervous and when we got to Atlanta - he immediately got very DRUNK, and made a complete ass out of himself with my friend in Atlanta...she poured a drink on him. We were flying Frontier.


I even remember what I was wearing on the plane. A plaid flaired skirt in hues of wine with a wine long sleeved blouse with an off white crocheted vest or a green suede flared skirt with a green plaid blouse with that same crocheted vest. I believe I wore the Green outfit because it was more comfortable....and I had on dress boots to just below the knee.

If I go to my pictures I can give you more details on the dates...because of some fragmented memory here I feel compelled to do this tonight if I feel like doing it...this is the same time we met with the Mystery man in Altanta and who Duane had a very private conversation with behind CLOSED doors - a man with whom he should not have had any reason to be speaking with.

I came back to add to this - I wonder what kind of plane we were on in the trip from Denver to Atlanta...because he didn't say anything about the stairway on this flight.

The aft stair was not mentioned until the 1987 flight from Miami to the Islands. Since we were living in Virgina at that time and I had family in Fl - I think we drove to Miami and stayed there one night after getting back - this is when he took me to the Fontane Blue - this is when he got drunk and fell off of the yacht cutting himself on the coral in the canal. This trip is making more and more sense right now, because he was reliving OLD memories...and they had put the Shunt in his arm to make sure he would be ready for diaylsis which he didn't need until 1990.

My life must be coming full circle because of the recent stress that has been imposed on me by things unrelated to Cooper. My memory is more clear today than it has been in a long time - suddenly things are pulling together - I couldn't remember how or why we were in Miami until this post.

The things he told me at the Fontane Blue - what he talked about. That he actually saw a couple of people he knew and briefly introduced me to them, but not until he had gone over and spoke to them privately. OMG. The memories are pouring all over the place right now....sorry got to go ....crying.

I know this post is all out of order, but I have to get these memories down in print before they are gone.

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Have you ever previously mentioned Duane explaining 727 stair deployment to you?

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Did you answer my question?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Not really on topic but I just came across this and thought some of you might like the quote.

Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds and fanatics. (C.J. Keyser)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Have you ever previously mentioned Duane explaining 727 stair deployment to you?

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Did you answer my question?

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I thought I did in my post and yes I have told this story about the trip to St Thomas before.

At that time someone posted a picture of the Aftstair wheel, but it wasn't exactly as I remembered it - close but that only counts in horse shoes.

Yes he did explain how it was turned and that it lowered a stairwell that went out the belly of the plane - he did NOT mention Cooper. He mentioned a latch,but not sure what he meant by a latch - I guess something that makes it so not just anyone could figured out how to open it such as a child.

I related this story to Himmelsbach in the very beinging, but not sure how much of the FBI got of it. All I ever really got to talk to was a recorder at the FBI office. Perhaps incorrectly I thought Himmelsbach would relate this to the FBI. My Bad!.

Duanes explanation was cleaning crews and cataterers bringoing the meals abroard and that its main purpose was for small airports where they do not pull up to a ramp. I have discussed this many times over the yrs

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Jo I'm back cool it on duane you and I both Know he wasn't Cooper . Anyway I'll be back untill Wenesday then Shelly and I will head back to Washougal. Spent a few day's in Fork's Wa and some time in Shelton Wa. and Washougal. Got back tonight about 6:30 pm.Lot of driving about 1280 mi round trip .Had a lot of salmon, Grab in Fork's . Lot of fun in the wood's and caught a lot of trout in the washougal. searched a lot . Funny though this year the Blackberry vines have realy over grown.A lot of Bee's . Got stung to much. Jerry

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Jo Duane Had none of these explaination's. How do you come up with these memories you never had them before. Are your dreams getting the best of you. Please Explain. Jerry

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Geoger. The Smoked salmon I had this week is the best I've had in 2 year's. Just saying. Jerry

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Geoger. The Smoked salmon I had this week is the best I've had in 2 year's. Just saying. Jerry

Im listening.

Its been very cold here, hi 30's, losts of rain and
new flooding last week.

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Jo Duane Had none of these explaination's. How do you come up with these memories you never had them before. Are your dreams getting the best of you. Please Explain. Jerry

My meories - not yours:

The memories where there and have been recorded - what I had not remembered recalling was how or when I was at the Fontaine Blue - What I remembered was that...and what transpired that evening.

Going back to things I wrote before I had a computer - yes, I had written about the Fountain Blue, but had just forgot it - that is what happens when you tell something for 14 yrs - that one evening didn't seem very important in the beginning, but for some reason it does now.

I had put these memories on tapes back in the very beginning and those tapes are old and fragil and I am afraid to play them - infact I don't have anything to play them on anymore - micro cassettes.

As I have said before I have never FABRICATED any part of this story and would appreciate it if you would STOP YOUR accusations. They are my memories and I have NO reason to fabricate anything because NONE of it proves Duane was Cooper. It is an accounting of my life with him and if you are intimidated by my recounting these things, dates, times, places, things said, etc then you are the one with the problem or someone with something to hide.

I am hiding very little because the more I tell the more likely it is the thing we have all searched for just might lie in one of these trips or in something Duane said. It will be something that might not mean one hell-of-beans to me, but might be the one thing someone else or someone reading what I have said might recognize - or place some significance on.

I am sure you where not at the Fontaine Blue and definitely not on the yacht we went out on later. What I would like to know is who the 2 men were Duane spent some private time with earlier that evening...both were older than Duane and Duane did ask the bartender if a certain person was there. The bartender pointed over in a certain area - we were sitting on the side of the bar to the Canal and dock - so I could watch the yachts pull up. The area Duane went to talk to this person was on the very far side and he told me to stay in my seat and not to come over. I could only get a glimpse of the men Duane was talking to and then they went someplace I could not see them - one did glance my way - I am assuming because he told them his wife was with him.

I never knew how Duane would know someone there and why the bartender would know who this person was and why they took their conversation out of sight and I think out of the room.
I have tried to remember the name Duane asked the Bartender for - it was one first name or nickname.

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Jo,

Put Duane at Tena Bar before the money find and I'll pay attention. A nebulous stealthy meeting with unknown people at the Fontaine Blue Bar proves nothing with respect to Norjack.

Better yet, put Duane in a chute. You said you could.
You said you had proof he was Cooper. Stop teasing and show it, or admit you mislead us.

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Its been very cold here, hi 30's, losts of rain and
new flooding last week

Sorry to hear about the flooding Georger. You had enough of that last year.

Jerry, what kind of salmon did you smoke? Kings (Chinook) or Silvers (Coho)?

One of the coastal buyers I used to sell salmon to in my comercial fishing days ran a huge commercial smokehouse. Fishermen who sold to his buying station got a side (half a fish) of smoked King Salmon any time they wanted one, free. I ate a LOT! Smoked meat is supposed to be carcinogenic. If so I am living on borrowed time.

Making some more HAHO ham radio communication jumps on Saturday. Hope the winds are mild. I am really enjoying those long high canopy flights.

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Jo Realy, Prove it. Jerry

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377 The indian Tribe shared it with me .Good friend's of mine. Along with there Elk Jerky. Jerry

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Its been very cold here, hi 30's, losts of rain and
new flooding last week

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I think we are in a timewarp here, or something.
Very unnerving.

How are the bands these days? Any good dx on 40 or 20 at night? I miss it.

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Snow could tell you a lot more about band conditions than I could Georger. My home HF antenna is a pathetic corroded trap vertical with inadequate radials. Local RF noise is high.

Snow has a very impressive antenna farm and a quiet QTH.

I live in a pleasant neighborhood but it's a violent RF ghetto.

Elk jerky. Now there's something I've never tasted. I have eaten crow a few times.

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Put Duane at Tena Bar before the money find and I'll pay attention. A nebulous stealthy meeting with unknown people at the Fontaine Blue Bar proves nothing with respect to Norjack.

The parts about the FontainBleu was just because I felt like it and to provide some background.

I can't put Duane on Tena's Bar I but I was with him West of the PDX and the bridge West of the PDX on the Vancouver side at a motel called the Red Lion - this is where he put that sack in the water - I do NOT know what was in that sack or how whatever was in it was packaged, but this is less than 2 miles on the water from Tena's bar. This was in Sept of 1979 and the money is found in Feb. of 1980.

I do not see how my putting Duane at Tena's bar would get anyone's attention other than for someone to throw a similar package into the River at that point in Sept and use a tracking device in it to see where it goes.
River currents change and the weather changes. It is MY opinion he retrived that money on his venture a few days before when he left me at the Dalles for 4 1/2 hours....where he went I DO NOT know, but he was soiled.

Then he disappears for a whole afternoon while we are in Seattle - and comes back giddy and the next day we head to Vancouver with all of those stops we made that day before heading on to Tahoe.

The Chute research is being worked on - old records are being searched for names - I can't say what documents because if I did - they would go "Poof" like other things I have revealed to the FBI and others.

Jerry Thomas has so much time on his hands and goes to the Washougal all of the time - how about searching the local Washougal records for the report about that boat that disappeared from the marina on the Columbia below Lake LaCames.

It was a newspaper article a few days around the time Cooper made his jump. A very insignificant article that 2 women found but didn't make me a copy of. The article gave no reference to Cooper - it was believed the boat had been taken or had broke away from it moorings. This article may have appeared after the boat was found.

NOT one law enforcement person over a 14 yr period of time ever tried to find out who the property on the river belonged to where Duane went down to the river ALL by himself ... telling me to stay in the car. Perhaps he wasn't digging something up - maybe he put something into the ground there - so that eventually it would be found. Just a guess.

The names of all property owners and lease holders has been sitting in the files in Vancouver - but NOT one person offered to search those files for me. All I was asking for was the Vancouver side of the river from the PDX to the bridge. One lone cabin or older home on that river just above Winterly Park. How much effort would this have been for the FBI?

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The names of all property owners and lease holders has been sitting in the files in Vancouver - but NOT one person offered to search those files for me. All I was asking for was the Vancouver side of the river from the PDX to the bridge. One lone cabin or older home on that river just above Winterly Park. How much effort would this have been for the FBI?

Jo,

Have you tried zillow.com? It can lead you from a map to info on addresses etc. With an address it is pretty easy to find out who owns the property.

Some county assessors offices have online info identifying property owners by address and by assessors parcel number.

As a realtor it should be easy to find out who owns a piece of property.

As for things going "poof" and disappearing, could you please mention my alimony order and make it go away?

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As for things going "poof" and disappearing, could you please mention my alimony order and make it go away?

Not being blessed with natural salmon we have to fly it in from the N Hemisphere. mainly Norway, some Scottish. yum.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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This is the second year that commercial and sport ocean salmon fishing has been banned in California. The recently plentiful natural runs of Chinooks have been decimated by diverting too much river water for agriculture. Inadequate flow makes the rivers too warm and too shallow for successful reproduction. The farmers have far more effective lobbyists than the fishermen.

Somewhere out there is Cooper's chute. Some of the metal hardware will last for a century or more. Not so sure about the fabric and webbing.

Havent heard from Galen lately. Tom K is maintaining radio silence. Quiet times here. Sir it up someone, please.

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The names of all property owners and lease holders has been sitting in the files in Vancouver - but NOT one person offered to search those files for me. All I was asking for was the Vancouver side of the river from the PDX to the bridge. One lone cabin or older home on that river just above Winterly Park. How much effort would this have been for the FBI?

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Jo,

Have you tried zillow.com? It can lead you from a map to info on addresses etc. With an address it is pretty easy to find out who owns the property.

Some county assessors offices have online info identifying property owners by address and by assessors parcel number.

As a realtor it should be easy to find out who owns a piece of property.
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Unfortunately the information available will be the current owner - to go beyond that requires a Title Search with the numbers specific to that property.

The possible Properties in that area now number over 24 - where-as in 2001 when I went to WA that number was about 12.. It takes a TITLE search on each property which is very expensive - or a human person can go into the County Appraisers office with all 24 homes and search the back records - before the properties where subdivided and several new home placed on the site.

The waterfront lot just East of Winterly Park had 4 homes on it when I was there - in yrs gone by it only had 1 small home and so this senario plays itself out all along the river banks to the PDX.

After the procedure you would have about 4 or 6 property owners in 1971. Then with a map of 1971 infront of me I would have to choose 3 of which to do more complete title searches. Anyone can go to the tax office and do this - some states now require you have famial connections or legal connections to do an in-depth study on the property...such as Title Insurance. Some counties now will not let you view the property details without an identification codes. I have found this in other areas when I tried to search specific pieces of property - blame it on the privacy acts.

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Jo,

I guess it isnt so easy or cheap. Looks like a decent title search and report going far enough back is about $200-300 per property

http://www.realdetailed.com/title.html

Your time and money is probably better spent elsewhere if you are trying to prove Duane Weber was Dan Cooper.

But you said you already had the proof... so who cares about property titles and missing boat reports?

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Jo,

I guess it isnt so easy or cheap. Looks like a decent title search and report going far enough back is about $200-300 per property

http://www.realdetailed.com/title.html

Your time and money is probably better spent elsewhere if you are trying to prove Duane Weber was Dan Cooper.

But you said you already had the proof... so who cares about property titles and missing boat reports?

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I know if I go to WA myself that I can get into the county records with some frined who live there - with 2 of us searching it won't take so long...providing the State has not enforce the same law some states have. One way to get around that is to find a historian who has the rights to research the propery lineage.
If I present this to college students it will happen very quickly.

I need very part pulled together very very tightly. Findling the proof so the stories he toll will help solidify the case against Weber.

Since Jerry Thomas is so certain that Weber WAS not Cooper he should be made to present solid evidence of this happening. He is the one who said Weber was having dinner with his family. What Family? Where? Who are they - have them come forward for a couple of posts.

The FBI hasn't told me this at all.
SHOW ME THE PROOF!, I SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY IN THAT TIME AND OTHERS THAT CAME LATER - AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS.

Now Jerry if you are not up to proving your hearsay is fact and since you have all of this information available

by the FBI - get it on the forum.  NOT one of us believe your are able to bring this proof to the table.       


Since you made the statement regarding Cooper NOT being Weber - WHERE IS IT - PUT IT ON THE TABLE.


The bridge in Portland the old on - put your  boat in the water at the Red Lions Inns and throw a secure package into the river around Vancouver and from the vancouver  side.  Howl long do it tak to get to Tena's bar or did it sink befor4 it got there OR didn't it get tangled in that covey of trees  before you get to Tena;'s bar.  The package could have hung out at the thick rusKin the river banks.....and then the water from a early snow melt created the very same thing.

Ir is caught in the water rush and freed from the brush and goes right to the shore line.  It could have been a miracle and the bad had not shredded.  Lands on the beach and the cattle trample it


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Since Jerry Thomas is so certain that Weber WAS not Cooper he should be made to present solid evidence of this happening.

Jo, this argument is SO tired. First you wanted the FBI to prove Duane wasn't Cooper, and now Jerry. Why are you the only person who can't see how ridiculous it is?

Wait - I have it. Seeing as you are so certain Duane was Cooper, why don't you show us solid proof that McCoy, Gossett, Christiansen and Guru132 are not Cooper? After that, we can work through the rest of the 1000 or so suspects on the FBI's list, as well as a couple of the ex-vets we've spoken about here. If you eliminate everyone else, we'll have to believe Duane was Cooper.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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I agree with Orange. Prove what you said you could prove Jo, before you start tasking others.

You claimed to have evidence proving Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. You have hinted or claimed that Duane was an inmate smoke jumper, a CIA spook, held RFKs tie, helped hide MLK's assassination rifle, etc etc.

Put Duane in a parachute. Show us a hot $20. So far it is all big claims and zero evidence. Don't you feel some hypocrisy in calling others "empty suits"?

Why not just withdraw your claim of proof that Duane Weber was DB Cooper? Admit you grossly overstated your case? Be humble and ask for our indulgence? Crow doesnt taste so bad and you feel better after you have eaten it. I speak from experience.

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The posts on this page are all spread out takes 2 screens to read them. Must be a fluke with the system.

The ONLY reason I asked Jerry to provide any proof is that he constantly refers to me as a "liar" using that word or one of the other phrases that means the same thing. I believe it is only fair he produce this EVIDENCE he claims I have and evidence from the FBI he claims proves Duane was NOT Cooper. The only thing he has stated was something about the FBI saying Duane was with family on Thanksgiving day, but NONE of the family has made such a statement to the FBI and everyone I found and spoke to had NO knowledge of Duane's where-abouts for a 2 month plus period of time.

Co-workers, production reports, employers, friends, sister and brother had no knowledge of Duane during that time frame. The current wife of the day - had 2 children living with her and claimed to have left Duane in November of 1971 and going back to him in Feb of 1972. This story was substanciated by the children who were adults when I spoke to them. They all claimed to be staying in another location with relatives. The wife claimed she did not know Duane was still alive and thought he had died in the mid 1980's. This is the same woman I put Duane on a plane to go see in 1977 before I agreed to marry him. When I told her I put him on that plane to California and she admitted they spent a few days together. I later learned her children DID not even know of his visit with her.

Why he would NOT want to see those kids. They were children in 1971, but young adults in 1977. It had only been 6 yrs since the HiJacking - was he afraid they might put 2 and 2 together and get 4? The oldest of the 2 told me that she knew Duane was Cooper - she was 17 in 1971..........the rest of her story was for my ears only, but I did tell the FBI what she said and they NEVER made any attempts to contact her. She died of an over-dose about 6 yrs ago......

When this woman and Duane split - he never tried to make contact with them - yet when he talked about those kids - especially the youngest - you could see and hear the love he felt and regrets he experience - especially for the youngest. Why did he walk completely out of their lives? Yet, go see their mother and she never told them he was there...and he made NO attempt to see them. It took awhile for it to sink in that he lived until 1995? Subsequent conversations with her revealed the story of his visit with her in 1977 and his contacting her in 1990...after going on dialysis.

I already knew he had contacted her by searching the old phone records from the shop. It is my opinion this contact in 1990 caused him to do some of the strange things he did around that time - but, that would only be my opinion....due to subsequent conversations with her.

Considering the information above I do not think it inappropriate to ask Jerry to name his source and provide the information he claims to have about Duane being with family on that Thanksgiving. Nor is is inappropriate to ask the FBI for documentation on the source. NOT one person I contacted claimed Duane was with them. I even asked a couple of women who he was known to keep company with in those yrs including the next wife of record.
NO one - NOT one of them made any claim that Duane was with them or their families on that day.

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