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Yeah, operated on 1282.225 MHz and made some contacts under canopy. Big hassle removing helmet, stowing, unstowing headset, donning it, steering canopy, watching for conflicting traffic etc.
A white Cessna flew by me shortly after opening close enough to see the occupants. They didn't see me.
Funny, without supplemental oxygen every task seems hard even at only 14000 ft. Need to get everything integrated into helmet, like the military does.
I think the Golden Knights shoe photo raises a good point about pants making jump boots look more like casual shoes.
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A white Cessna flew by me shortly after opening close enough to see the occupants. They didn't see me.
Funny, without supplemental oxygen every task seems hard even at only 14000 ft. Need to get everything integrated into helmet, like the military does.
I think the Golden Knights shoe photo raises a good point about pants making jump boots look more like casual shoes.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Georger . You no better than that. To even suggest that is a insult.All I'm saying is just think about it. I've been at this for many year's and have researched all Idea's . You know this. All I am saying is that just maybe there is another area to research that make's more sense than looking at a person that was in the military.Bottom line It is only my opinion that cooper was not a military man. No military person would have been that stupid .Even McCoy had a game plan.Still he was injured and landed in the desert. Pluss he got caught.Do you honestly believe that a person that jumped out of a aircraft over a forrest ,would have survived . Not to mention the fir tree inemia(humor) he could have recieved. Think about it. The area he had to land in is not the home of the range.Jerry
snowmman 3
georger reasonably asked "Why the interrogation? Are you off meds? "
I had a good chuckle when you mentioned that there was a sense of civility in the forum.
I realize we all have our own perspective, but you recognize your own uncivility right? I recognize mine at least.
I had a good chuckle when you mentioned that there was a sense of civility in the forum.
I realize we all have our own perspective, but you recognize your own uncivility right? I recognize mine at least.
I'm confused. I don't think Tom got payed for anything. He has stated that all his research was on his own and never requested payment for anything. I don't think Tom need's money.If he did recieve money for any thing he has done in the past he would not make it a secret.Tom would bragg about it. That is his nature. However he would not except it. Tom does not need money. He has plenty.Jerry
snowmman 3
QuoteWhat do you think they will say. Now let's take a crazy person that doesn't have much knowledge or experience and has only heard of jumping out of airplane's. Who would be your suspect.Jerry
Why would I care what the general public, or the "average person" might say? That doesn't matter.
I think the mistake Jerry, is that you think the trained people are not crazy. Many of the most highly skilled people I've known have been outright lunatics. What makes you think that all lunatics die? or whatever you're proposing?
Sure, the "crazy people" you're talking about don't accomplish much.
See: you have to analyze the kind of "crazy person" who actually got the cash and chutes delivered to him, put on the rig, and jumped out.
It's real simple. Analyze the other jumpers that hijacked and jumped. There are what, three?
Walk me through them, and show me why their jumps made sense, and Coopers didn't. (note they survived..all) Or vice versa, or whatever point of view you have.
I really can't see why you're all fixated on airplanes and speeds.
Why would someone who was clueless about jumping, care about plane speed?
And you don't need to know much to get a plane to fly slow. They land with flaps and wheels down, and don't fall out of the sky. Makes sense if you want to go slow, just ask for that.
Hell if it's not possible, the pilot will tell you. He's not going to die.
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QuoteI'm confused. I don't think Tom got payed for anything. He has stated that all his research was on his own and never requested payment for anything. I don't think Tom need's money.If he did recieve money for any thing he has done in the past he would not make it a secret.Tom would bragg about it. That is his nature. However he would not except it. Tom does not need money. He has plenty.Jerry
Heh. The thing is, you don't know!
You can suspect, and you can theorize.
But knowing is a different thing, isn't it?
Okay, we can all agree. Tom didn't get paid. At all.
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I guess Jerry's proposing that military men are intelligent, and don't do stupid things.
While those guys who work on planes, they're nuts! They'll do any crazy-ass thing!
Makes sense.
While those guys who work on planes, they're nuts! They'll do any crazy-ass thing!
Makes sense.
snowmman 3
QuoteYeah, operated on 1282.225 MHz and made some contacts under canopy. Big hassle removing helmet, stowing, unstowing headset, donning it, steering canopy, watching for conflicting traffic etc.
Cool! you need the headset mounted in the helmet.
I thought they had air to ground radios for student training (under canopy). Would think the helmet/headset problem must be a solved problem already?
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A white Cessna flew by me shortly after opening close enough to see the occupants. They didn't see me.
Scary! you need a flare gun...or some kind of shoot-down weapon. There's an attack the Cessna wouldn't predict..being shot down by a guy on a parachute.
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Funny, without supplemental oxygen every task seems hard even at only 14000 ft. Need to get everything integrated into helmet, like the military does.
It's the differential. If you're going from sea level, 14000 ft differential, that quick is huge. Be interesting to wear a heart monitor to see what your pulse is doing.
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I think the Golden Knights shoe photo raises a good point about pants making jump boots look more like casual shoes.
That's what Cooper said :)
Although I think maybe he just wore ankle boots of some kind. But still: once you cover them with pants..the whole question of just what Cooper was wearing? We don't know. So you can't claim: whuffo because of shoes.
It's an argument that may be true, but it's not data driven.
Snowmman . Or should I say the great debater. Go figure if you can. Or are you saying military personell or dumber than the rest or can we agree that training give's the needed edge to most.Better yet let's say Intelegence has gone south. In your opinion. Jerry
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QuoteSnowmman . Or should I say the great debater. Go figure if you can. Or are you saying military personell or dumber than the rest or can we agree that training give's the needed edge to most.Better yet let's say Intelegence has gone south. In your opinion. Jerry
I've only run into a few military people. They were young, in their twenties. Marines.
Skill-wise, they were good at drinking beer, and buying Mustangs.
That's about it.
I don't know if it's representative.
I'm sure 1971 was different, because a war was on.
I've not met a lot of military from when a war was on.
Snowmman: I understand I guess that there is a lot to learned By all. Sorry if I ofended you It will not happen again Jerry
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QuoteGeorger/Snowmman. Lets try this , most of us know some one that has a friend or child that has joined the military. Ask those young men or woman if they would jump out of a airplaine dressed like cooper was or better yet ask them what they would dress in. Prior to making a jump at 9,000ft. Give them the weather condition's and a unkown drop zone. Now take a veteran and give them the same senario. I will guarentee you they will all say. No way.Let's take it a wee bit further and ask a person of experience the same question's. What do you think they will say. Now let's take a crazy person that doesn't have much knowledge or experience and has only heard of jumping out of airplane's. Who would be your suspect.Jerry
You seem to be missing the whole point. Cooper's
whole point. He DID jump. Forget all the mumbo jumbo about what military people or other people
would do or would not do. That is irrelevant.
Cooper did it. He did the hijacking and he made
the jump. You and others may say he was crazy
but that does not undo what Cooper did. COOPER
MADE THE JUMP@!
It is the failure of H and others to come to terms
with what Cooper actually did happen that has fundamentally stalled this case in technical second guessing from the outset. Cooper's crime was a
LO-TECH crime that defeated technology and technically trained people wrapped up in their technology and systems and stereotypes. That
may be all this crime was about in 1971 in the midst of national tourmoil over Vietnam and other basic societal issues.
Cooper slipped in and out, under the radar!
It may have cost him his life or it may not have. Nobody has any proof otherwise. Even if he died
he may have succeeded from his point of view
and proved his point. You can claim to know differently, but you have not one shred of proof
for your thesis. Not one.
Cooper's reasoning is all that matters in this.
What anyone else thinks or does not think is
almost irrelevant. People are missing the forest
looking at trees.
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QuoteGeorger . You no better than that. To even suggest that is a insult.All I'm saying is just think about it. I've been at this for many year's and have researched all Idea's . You know this. All I am saying is that just maybe there is another area to research that make's more sense than looking at a person that was in the military.Bottom line It is only my opinion that cooper was not a military man. No military person would have been that stupid .Even McCoy had a game plan.Still he was injured and landed in the desert. Pluss he got caught.Do you honestly believe that a person that jumped out of a aircraft over a forrest ,would have survived . Not to mention the fir tree inemia(humor) he could have recieved. Think about it. The area he had to land in is not the home of the range.Jerry
Stop thinking about other hijackers, experts, etc.
Start thinking about Cooper! Cooper is the person
who did the crime, not McCoy, Cossey, H., Bohan,
Rat. Schafner, etc etc ect etc etc etc...
All the experts were wrong about Pearl Harbor!
According to your point of view Cooper was nothing
more than a mindless rat running around in some
experiment run by . . . you fill in the blank! He
trapped himself mindlessly and met his maker...
This case has been open to endless speculation
but there is no speculation about what Cooper
did and why he was able to do what he did.
Cooper's success was no accident. You will say
he had no success because he died, but you are
not Cooper. You dont even know who Cooper was
so how in hell do you know his mind?
I have come to believe this case will never be
solved because the mindset to solve it does not
exist and the data may long be gone.
The case will continue to sit just where it is, perhaps
forever.. in end less repititions of the same soap
opera that has exist around this case since day-1.
But the context in which the hijacking happened is very clear history now. You are part of history.
In 1996 thru 2001 I have repeatedly told this story about what Duane told me and showed me, but tonight after a conversation with a friend - some things were very clear to me that I wish to re-interate at this time.
I told anyone who would listen about what Duane told me and what I remembered at the point he said "That's were Cooper Walked out of the Woods".
I studied a map tonight and I believe I have recounted what I found on these maps before but there is something new - something I DIDN't see until tonight.
In telling the story I always mentioned the things Duane talked about. and pointed out - such as powerlines and pipelines and creeks and Camp Bonnevile.
Considering these things where mentioned to Mr. Thomas and to Himmelsbach and the FBI - WHY would anyone think I we went to Portland and crossed over the bridge to I-5. I consistently told Mr. Thomas that was NOT correct because we didn't go to Portland until after we LEFT Seattle going to Tahoe...at one point I think he convinced me of this - until I went out there in 2001.
When Duane and I were at Lake LaCames (which I had been told had to be the Columbia) - Duane took me to a pretty steep hill - or nob. We went on a dirt or gravel road with steep sides - at the top was a fenced area and wooden gate with small bolders - looking somewhat like an old homestead and with large old sparce trees in it. It was stately and eeriey this strange place at the top of this nob. This Nob was N.W. of the tributary - the tributary was E of the J.D. Currie Youth Camp.
This is the area that Duane pointed out the powerlines and where they converged. At this time he talked about a creek that came out of the Camp Bonneville area and crossed the pipelines and the powerlines. I have been studing some maps I had and some that Sluggo brought for me when he visited my home. Tonight I am seeing things I didn't see before or maybe it is this sudden urgency I am feeling to bring all of this to an end.
On the maps I found the Creek that comes under the pipelines from within the Camp Bonnevile area - I mentioned this in a prior post. What I didn't see before was because the power lines had not been highlighted is of interest.
Matney Creek and Little Matney Creek converge together at the power lines. Seeing as Duane made mention of the things located within the Bonneville Camp - and I am going to surmise he came out of the Little Matney Creek branch. Just below the point the creeks merge and South of the powerlines existiing in 1971 is a bend in the river and this map of 1990 shows one structure there (do not know if it was there in 1971). It also indicates a pond of sorts at this point. This is where Cooper had to make a decision and it was dark. He could see a halo of lights to the South and what had become Matney Creek after the merge was East and dark.
It is my opinion that he took refuge there for the night - The next morning he had to make a decision - follow the creek or go in the direction of the light. Since he was very familiar with the area he chose to go South although there was no road or path or creek to follow - I believe he followed a ridge of sorts since I don't know the terrain in the area. About 4000 feet in this area he comes across more flowing water - this is the tributary that takes him again to the powerlines - as he knew there was another set of crossing lines south of those where the 2 creeks had merged.
He was on target because this tributary took him only a few feet from the criss cross of power lines just North West of the Lake. At this point he is hungery and he ventured on down to the lake - I am going to guess that someone had left food or staples in one of the fishing Cottages at the point on Lake LaCames. Duane mentioned knowing the caretaker of the Ledbetter mansion - although I didn't know in 1979 it was anything, but a very nice home. I have tried without any success to find out who the caretaker was in 1971. I have been told that the caretaker of the area lived up away from the Mansion in a separate quarters toward the North Eastern part of the Lake.
Somehow he finds food, but left whatever he had with him at a hiding place on that Knob - with all of these boulders - finding a hiding place would be easy. Later he goes back to this clearing and retrives his "stuff" and gets back under the power line - because he knows if he follows that line this will take him to another intersecting point with a power line goes South to the Columbia.
Now this is something I had not found before because I had been told Cooper would have to have walked thru populated areas...that power line to the Columbia was NOT populated in 1971 and if you waited until dark or very early morning - being spotted would not be likely. The locals had told me this over the yrs. but seeing it for myself on this map - was eye opening.
Remember the story he told me about that Marina in the Washougal area - guess where it is? Right there where those power lines came out to the Columbia and behind and North of the road trussels (hope I spelled that right).
I have repeatedly ask for someone to check the records of 1971 for a story about a boat missing from that Marina. The story Duane told me was that "they" thought it was a bunch of boys going for a joy ride. When he said this he had this grin on this face. Bear in mind that he did NOT tell me the Marina story until we where going home and we went East on the North side of the Columbia for a spell before turning back West to take the road to Tahoe. Since the boat thing was told to me several days later on the trip to Tahoe, I did NOT associate it with things he had said on our way to Seattle. He said the motor was set in full throttle and the boat released near the airport. Believe me when I say I didn't connect that with Cooper. I am not sure I even knew what city Cooper highjacked the plane from - hence why his remarks about the airport on 2 occassions did not mean anything to me at that time...nor did his throwing something into the river or his odd time down on the Columbia by himself on that return trip.
When I found these places in 2001 - I should have stayed in Portland until I could get the authorities to go see what I was talking about, but I had to get home and to my job. Since Mr Thomas nor the documentary Guide couldn't understand what I was trying to describe - I was feeling hopeless.
Had it not been for the Angel Udell I would never have found the primary locations in 2001. I have told the story about my Angel before I so I won't recount it again. I have, but one regret - that I did NOT stand my ground in 2001 and should have refused to have left Wa without answers.
This has been a long journey - 13 yrs and 3 months of my life used up since I found out who "Dan Cooper" was and went public to fight a battle that cannot be won. No one wants the truth. They want to forever debate or speculate who Cooper could have been. The investigative forces don't want to have to explain why they haven't been able to find out who Cooper was. They continue to state the letter of 1998 as proof that Weber was investigated and yet in 2000 the agent of record did not know Weber had been in the army in 1943 nor in McNeil
Island Prison in 1944.
The investigative forces produced DNA - but they have NO idea if that DNA belonged to Cooper. I have stated before and do so again that the DNA was compromised and that there was NO proof the tie belonged to Cooper - per Himmelsbach it was found on the seat next to where Cooper was sitting. I was told a story about a "tie" and Weber, but have no personal knowledge or it it was true.
Missing yrs in the life of Weber are 1944-1949 and 1962 - 1966.
I have heard about this or that person writing a book about his or her "Cooper" - but no one except Duane Weber ever said "I am Dan Cooper". I cannot take away the fact that I saw and held the ticket in my hands, a parking stub with Sea-Tac on it and a bank bag. I have been called delusional and I call myself crazy out of self-defense.
Thru out these yrs I have had to contend with being called a LIAR and made the brunt of many untruths. I lost clients because of my involvement with the past of my husband and damaged relationships. I have spent the better part of these 13 plus yrs. defending what I did know and searching for answers to what I didn't know.
Thur out these yrs many contacts have taken place - good and bad, but one was a night clerk at an Inn in 1971 who said Duane Weber spent the night before the crime at his place of employment. The FBI was informed of this in 2001, but made NO attempts to interview the man. He was out of the country for 5 yrs and returned to the states in 2008 due to illness. At that time he took a statement into the the Portland FBI office. It was not until then that the FBI took the time to contact him and then all they did was make a phone call. While he was in the states another party made a video of his statement - but this would have been more convincing if the FBI had interviewed him in 2001 prior to his having been influence by contact with me and the internet.
There have been over the yrs since I contacted the FBI in 1996 a lot of Cooper Wannabes and a lot of Cooper suspects and a few books written. None lived this secret life Weber lived and none left in a safe deposit box a $20. bill. What did Duane Weber leave in a safe deposit box - a Soldier of Fortune Magazine dated December 1994. Everyone in this forum knows what was in that Magazine, but what did it mean? There was nothing else in that box.
As for whatever he may have put away under his AKA John C. Collins I have no legal access to because I was unable to prove I was the widow of John C. Collins. To prove that Duane L. Weber and John C. Collins were the same person I would need access to his Jefferson Prison File which the FBI never made available to me. The FBI offered no explanation of how or why a government would provided a COMMUTATION of Sentence to a man who had already spent 15 yrs in 5 other prisons. He had only served 2 yrs of his sentence.
I am recapping these things because I need to move on and I need to go public with all of these things I have shared with this forum and to express my thanks to all of you for your patience and for all the information you have provided since November of 2006. In November of this yrs 2009 - the Cooper incident will be 38 yrs old.
My plight will have endured almost 14 yrs with his confession and in 2010 it will have been 15 yrs since his passing on March 28 1995.
I will come see you all once in a while but I have to step back a little because Life is TOO short and I am very tired. Maybe this yrs I will actually take a chance getting on a plane and go to WA in November...It is time to bury Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins aka Dan Cooper.
You Will Never Know If You Don't Know Now. Perhaps he sang that song to me for a reason. Damn him for ever telling me anything - Damn him! Why couldn't he have just kept his damn secret?
I told anyone who would listen about what Duane told me and what I remembered at the point he said "That's were Cooper Walked out of the Woods".
I studied a map tonight and I believe I have recounted what I found on these maps before but there is something new - something I DIDN't see until tonight.
In telling the story I always mentioned the things Duane talked about. and pointed out - such as powerlines and pipelines and creeks and Camp Bonnevile.
Considering these things where mentioned to Mr. Thomas and to Himmelsbach and the FBI - WHY would anyone think I we went to Portland and crossed over the bridge to I-5. I consistently told Mr. Thomas that was NOT correct because we didn't go to Portland until after we LEFT Seattle going to Tahoe...at one point I think he convinced me of this - until I went out there in 2001.
When Duane and I were at Lake LaCames (which I had been told had to be the Columbia) - Duane took me to a pretty steep hill - or nob. We went on a dirt or gravel road with steep sides - at the top was a fenced area and wooden gate with small bolders - looking somewhat like an old homestead and with large old sparce trees in it. It was stately and eeriey this strange place at the top of this nob. This Nob was N.W. of the tributary - the tributary was E of the J.D. Currie Youth Camp.
This is the area that Duane pointed out the powerlines and where they converged. At this time he talked about a creek that came out of the Camp Bonneville area and crossed the pipelines and the powerlines. I have been studing some maps I had and some that Sluggo brought for me when he visited my home. Tonight I am seeing things I didn't see before or maybe it is this sudden urgency I am feeling to bring all of this to an end.
On the maps I found the Creek that comes under the pipelines from within the Camp Bonnevile area - I mentioned this in a prior post. What I didn't see before was because the power lines had not been highlighted is of interest.
Matney Creek and Little Matney Creek converge together at the power lines. Seeing as Duane made mention of the things located within the Bonneville Camp - and I am going to surmise he came out of the Little Matney Creek branch. Just below the point the creeks merge and South of the powerlines existiing in 1971 is a bend in the river and this map of 1990 shows one structure there (do not know if it was there in 1971). It also indicates a pond of sorts at this point. This is where Cooper had to make a decision and it was dark. He could see a halo of lights to the South and what had become Matney Creek after the merge was East and dark.
It is my opinion that he took refuge there for the night - The next morning he had to make a decision - follow the creek or go in the direction of the light. Since he was very familiar with the area he chose to go South although there was no road or path or creek to follow - I believe he followed a ridge of sorts since I don't know the terrain in the area. About 4000 feet in this area he comes across more flowing water - this is the tributary that takes him again to the powerlines - as he knew there was another set of crossing lines south of those where the 2 creeks had merged.
He was on target because this tributary took him only a few feet from the criss cross of power lines just North West of the Lake. At this point he is hungery and he ventured on down to the lake - I am going to guess that someone had left food or staples in one of the fishing Cottages at the point on Lake LaCames. Duane mentioned knowing the caretaker of the Ledbetter mansion - although I didn't know in 1979 it was anything, but a very nice home. I have tried without any success to find out who the caretaker was in 1971. I have been told that the caretaker of the area lived up away from the Mansion in a separate quarters toward the North Eastern part of the Lake.
Somehow he finds food, but left whatever he had with him at a hiding place on that Knob - with all of these boulders - finding a hiding place would be easy. Later he goes back to this clearing and retrives his "stuff" and gets back under the power line - because he knows if he follows that line this will take him to another intersecting point with a power line goes South to the Columbia.
Now this is something I had not found before because I had been told Cooper would have to have walked thru populated areas...that power line to the Columbia was NOT populated in 1971 and if you waited until dark or very early morning - being spotted would not be likely. The locals had told me this over the yrs. but seeing it for myself on this map - was eye opening.
Remember the story he told me about that Marina in the Washougal area - guess where it is? Right there where those power lines came out to the Columbia and behind and North of the road trussels (hope I spelled that right).
I have repeatedly ask for someone to check the records of 1971 for a story about a boat missing from that Marina. The story Duane told me was that "they" thought it was a bunch of boys going for a joy ride. When he said this he had this grin on this face. Bear in mind that he did NOT tell me the Marina story until we where going home and we went East on the North side of the Columbia for a spell before turning back West to take the road to Tahoe. Since the boat thing was told to me several days later on the trip to Tahoe, I did NOT associate it with things he had said on our way to Seattle. He said the motor was set in full throttle and the boat released near the airport. Believe me when I say I didn't connect that with Cooper. I am not sure I even knew what city Cooper highjacked the plane from - hence why his remarks about the airport on 2 occassions did not mean anything to me at that time...nor did his throwing something into the river or his odd time down on the Columbia by himself on that return trip.
When I found these places in 2001 - I should have stayed in Portland until I could get the authorities to go see what I was talking about, but I had to get home and to my job. Since Mr Thomas nor the documentary Guide couldn't understand what I was trying to describe - I was feeling hopeless.
Had it not been for the Angel Udell I would never have found the primary locations in 2001. I have told the story about my Angel before I so I won't recount it again. I have, but one regret - that I did NOT stand my ground in 2001 and should have refused to have left Wa without answers.
This has been a long journey - 13 yrs and 3 months of my life used up since I found out who "Dan Cooper" was and went public to fight a battle that cannot be won. No one wants the truth. They want to forever debate or speculate who Cooper could have been. The investigative forces don't want to have to explain why they haven't been able to find out who Cooper was. They continue to state the letter of 1998 as proof that Weber was investigated and yet in 2000 the agent of record did not know Weber had been in the army in 1943 nor in McNeil
Island Prison in 1944.
The investigative forces produced DNA - but they have NO idea if that DNA belonged to Cooper. I have stated before and do so again that the DNA was compromised and that there was NO proof the tie belonged to Cooper - per Himmelsbach it was found on the seat next to where Cooper was sitting. I was told a story about a "tie" and Weber, but have no personal knowledge or it it was true.
Missing yrs in the life of Weber are 1944-1949 and 1962 - 1966.
I have heard about this or that person writing a book about his or her "Cooper" - but no one except Duane Weber ever said "I am Dan Cooper". I cannot take away the fact that I saw and held the ticket in my hands, a parking stub with Sea-Tac on it and a bank bag. I have been called delusional and I call myself crazy out of self-defense.
Thru out these yrs I have had to contend with being called a LIAR and made the brunt of many untruths. I lost clients because of my involvement with the past of my husband and damaged relationships. I have spent the better part of these 13 plus yrs. defending what I did know and searching for answers to what I didn't know.
Thur out these yrs many contacts have taken place - good and bad, but one was a night clerk at an Inn in 1971 who said Duane Weber spent the night before the crime at his place of employment. The FBI was informed of this in 2001, but made NO attempts to interview the man. He was out of the country for 5 yrs and returned to the states in 2008 due to illness. At that time he took a statement into the the Portland FBI office. It was not until then that the FBI took the time to contact him and then all they did was make a phone call. While he was in the states another party made a video of his statement - but this would have been more convincing if the FBI had interviewed him in 2001 prior to his having been influence by contact with me and the internet.
There have been over the yrs since I contacted the FBI in 1996 a lot of Cooper Wannabes and a lot of Cooper suspects and a few books written. None lived this secret life Weber lived and none left in a safe deposit box a $20. bill. What did Duane Weber leave in a safe deposit box - a Soldier of Fortune Magazine dated December 1994. Everyone in this forum knows what was in that Magazine, but what did it mean? There was nothing else in that box.
As for whatever he may have put away under his AKA John C. Collins I have no legal access to because I was unable to prove I was the widow of John C. Collins. To prove that Duane L. Weber and John C. Collins were the same person I would need access to his Jefferson Prison File which the FBI never made available to me. The FBI offered no explanation of how or why a government would provided a COMMUTATION of Sentence to a man who had already spent 15 yrs in 5 other prisons. He had only served 2 yrs of his sentence.
I am recapping these things because I need to move on and I need to go public with all of these things I have shared with this forum and to express my thanks to all of you for your patience and for all the information you have provided since November of 2006. In November of this yrs 2009 - the Cooper incident will be 38 yrs old.
My plight will have endured almost 14 yrs with his confession and in 2010 it will have been 15 yrs since his passing on March 28 1995.
I will come see you all once in a while but I have to step back a little because Life is TOO short and I am very tired. Maybe this yrs I will actually take a chance getting on a plane and go to WA in November...It is time to bury Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins aka Dan Cooper.
You Will Never Know If You Don't Know Now. Perhaps he sang that song to me for a reason. Damn him for ever telling me anything - Damn him! Why couldn't he have just kept his damn secret?
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteHell if it's not possible, the pilot will tell you. He's not going to die.
remember that spectacular Airbus hijack that ended up in a flameout over an island resort (Carribean?). The hijacker didn't believe the pilots who told him they had insufficient fuel to reach his demanded destination. The attempted ditching went badly and the plane is seen cartwheeling and breaking up caught on someone's video camera.
Hijackers make crazy demands and do crazy things. I think it is very possible that Cooper knew something about parachuting. I am nearly certain that he knew a 727 could be jumped. Without that 727 knowledge you'd be making a very stupid bet.
McCoy, from the witness perspective, didn't act so different from Cooper.
I don't think we can say jumper or Whuffo. Not enough data.
Snow, the jumper training radios are crude. The instructor on the ground has an HT and broadcasts steering and flare commands to the student who has an HT strapped to his chest strap.
There are freefall comm systems. See Para Gear website. They cost thousands. 377 will have to copy them for pennies. This loose headset stuff doesn't cut it.
Jerry will be encouraged by this. As I unstowed my headset at about 13000 ft I dropped a plug adaptor cord. It was only a foot long. An hour after landing I went looking for it and found it almost immediately in a field. I knew I was above the field when it was lost but there were winds, brush, and a million reasons I should not have found it, but I did!
You never know what luck Jerry may have on his Washougal treks.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
georger 268
McCoy, from the witness perspective, didn't act so different from Cooper.
I don't think we can say jumper or Whuffo. Not enough data.
You never know what luck Jerry may have on his Washougal treks.
377
I don't think we can say jumper or Whuffo. Not enough data.
You never know what luck Jerry may have on his Washougal treks.
377
another 377 cop out as I see this. Like some script
copied straight of Entertainment Tonight.
Consider this point of view, of you can?
It amazes the living hell out of me that people
supposedly informed about 'stealth' and SOG and
special ops and all its various forms and presentations and the like, can't seem to recognise it when its presented, in clear unmistakable form.
Except that if the President were to show up on your
street in baggy pants and an old car you probably
would not recognise him either! Is that's what's going
on? You know stealth when it appears as an organised activity in some military context, you know stealth when you run across a hunter creeping through the woods,
but youc ant recognise stealth when it buys a ticket
at an airport in 1971 and hijacks an airplane!
What's the fundamental difference in all these cases?
This cant be a failure of people's IQ's. Its all stealth
no matter how you cut a dice it?
Stealth requires some basic skills, whether consciously
or unconsciously applied? Am I correct?
Jerry would require Cooper to have an IQ of 60 for
Jerry's theory to work? H likewise. Carr isnt far behind?
What is there about a theory of this case that requires
this rather extreme assumption concerning basic
intelligence of a person? (The DOD applied similar
logic to Jap pilots just before Pearl Harbor!)
All the smart people were on one side of the fence -
Cooper the retard was alone on the other side of the fence. That is the official story being sold.
If the glove doesnt fit - you must acquit!
Let the laughing commence.
snowmman 3
377 said "This loose headset stuff doesn't cut it. "
What about strapping the rig to the helmet?
If you can jump with a helmet cam, you can jump with a radio on your helmet?
There's a bunch of patents on helmet antennas and helmet radios, from military applications.
What about strapping the rig to the helmet?
If you can jump with a helmet cam, you can jump with a radio on your helmet?
There's a bunch of patents on helmet antennas and helmet radios, from military applications.
snowmman 3
Jo said "The story Duane told me was that "they" thought it was a bunch of boys going for a joy ride."
When did he tell you this story?
He was talking about the hijack story, and told you this story?
I can't imagine the context where Duane started talking about "they". And boats and joy rides.
Can you describe this conversation, date and place it occured, more? (edit) Oh I read your post more and you have some detail. But it doesn't make sense. You're saying it was just a random conversation, that you later tied to the Cooper hijack somehow?
re: Night Clerk
Jo said "It was not until then that the FBI took the time to contact him and then all they did was make a phone call. "
This isn't true. Larry Carr said Night Clerk showed up at the Portland FBI office and they took a statement from him, right?
When did he tell you this story?
He was talking about the hijack story, and told you this story?
I can't imagine the context where Duane started talking about "they". And boats and joy rides.
Can you describe this conversation, date and place it occured, more? (edit) Oh I read your post more and you have some detail. But it doesn't make sense. You're saying it was just a random conversation, that you later tied to the Cooper hijack somehow?
re: Night Clerk
Jo said "It was not until then that the FBI took the time to contact him and then all they did was make a phone call. "
This isn't true. Larry Carr said Night Clerk showed up at the Portland FBI office and they took a statement from him, right?
snowmman 3
Jo said "and none left in a safe deposit box a $20. bill."
This isn't right Jo. The $20 was left in the dog piggy bank, right? You gave us the name. We thought it was a bank name, but it was the name of the piggy bank?
How did the $20 make it to a safe deposit box now??
(edit) Here's what you had said about the "Symba" "bank"
Symba was the name of our dog who died in Oct of 1994.
We all so had one of those statue banks about 12 inches tall that looked just like Symba. That is were I found a 20 dollar bill right after Duane died. I noted it was an old bill and I spent it.
There was something written on it - but that never registered in my memory
This isn't right Jo. The $20 was left in the dog piggy bank, right? You gave us the name. We thought it was a bank name, but it was the name of the piggy bank?
How did the $20 make it to a safe deposit box now??
(edit) Here's what you had said about the "Symba" "bank"
Symba was the name of our dog who died in Oct of 1994.
We all so had one of those statue banks about 12 inches tall that looked just like Symba. That is were I found a 20 dollar bill right after Duane died. I noted it was an old bill and I spent it.
There was something written on it - but that never registered in my memory
377 22
Quote377 said "This loose headset stuff doesn't cut it. "
What about strapping the rig to the helmet?
If you can jump with a helmet cam, you can jump with a radio on your helmet?
There's a bunch of patents on helmet antennas and helmet radios, from military applications.
Having snag points on a helmet exterior can be REALLY dangerous. These snags have proved fatal in a number of cases. Camera flyers live with the risk on every jump. Some mitigate it by installing flush fairings.
I think I'll keep the rig in a bag or inside my jumpsuit and figure out some better helmet integrated mic/headphone setup and a remote PTT finger switch.
I have no way of measuring Cooper's IQ, just not enough data. I do think he knew that you could jump from a 727. In 1971 few knew that fact. The idea that Cooper was kind of a moron who managed to bumble through the crime and make it all work just doesn't seem like a good fit to the facts. We can go in endless cirlcles about it.
The SF SOG guys probably knew about the Air America 727 jumps and they sure had the skills for the NORJACK jump. Whether they'd have poor enough judgment to make the NORJACK jump is an open question. Jerry says no way. I am not as sure.
Jo has such an engaging way of telling a story. I can just picture Cooper motoring along in a stolen boat even though there is no evidence that it happened.
The idea that Cooper landed in a place where he knew every power line route and could recognize and distinguish between various tower routes is sure one heck of a coincidence. What are the odds?
If Jo already has proof that Duane was Cooper why waste time on power line navigation, stolen boats and the like? Jo, just admit you don't have the proof, apologize for making a false claim and we can reset. Until then you can expect continued scrutiny and challenges form me and from others.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
georger 268
Quote
McCoy, from the witness perspective, didn't act so different from Cooper.
I don't think we can say jumper or Whuffo. Not enough data.
You never know what luck Jerry may have on his Washougal treks.
377
another 377 cop out as I see this. Like some script
copied straight of Entertainment Tonight.
Consider this point of view, of you can?
It amazes the living hell out of me that people
supposedly informed about 'stealth' and SOG and
special ops and all its various forms and presentations and the like, can't seem to recognise it when its presented, in clear unmistakable form.
Except that if the President were to show up on your
street in baggy pants and an old car you probably
would not recognise him either! Is that's what's going
on? You know stealth when it appears as an organised activity in some military context, you know stealth when you run across a hunter creeping through the woods,
but youc ant recognise stealth when it buys a ticket
at an airport in 1971 and hijacks an airplane!
What's the fundamental difference in all these cases?
This cant be a failure of people's IQ's. Its all stealth
no matter how you cut a dice it?
Stealth requires some basic skills, whether consciously
or unconsciously applied? Am I correct?
Jerry would require Cooper to have an IQ of 60 for
Jerry's theory to work? H likewise. Carr isnt far behind?
What is there about a theory of this case that requires
this rather extreme assumption concerning basic
intelligence of a person? (The DOD applied similar
logic to Jap pilots just before Pearl Harbor!)
All the smart people were on one side of the fence -
Cooper the retard was alone on the other side of the fence. That is the official story being sold.
If the glove doesnt fit - you must acquit!
---------------------------------------------------
The above becomes even more plausible in the
clear light of day, today.
The element of comic books has been added.
I used to think Tintin was evidence. Now its a sign
of dementia! Jerry's theory (the FBi theory) requires
it.
Cooper: IQ of 60 and jumps mindlessly, and reads
comic books. Does Jerry also have evidence Cooper
was an orphan, a waif - something else prejudicial
must be present to gird up the FBI theory.
And worst of all, Jerry & the FBI have the facts to
back the theory up. Only they have the facts. We
don't. We can't!
Next we will be told that Mucklow actually saw a copy
of Tintin "in" the Cooper's briefcase.
I knew it!
- - - back to Snowmman's regular scheduled Cooperphelia programming -
snowmman 3
Other interesting jump/criminal history/trivia
The Bluegrass Conspiracy
by Sally Denton
true story
story of Andrew Carter Thornton II
Good story, including how he died in 1985 with italian shoes on, a parachute on his back, and a load of cocaine, in a guy's driveway.
I highlighted all parachute references here..you can read a bunch of the book by clicking on the page snips
http://books.google.com/books?id=MlZ0bSTIIsUC&q=parachute#v=snippet&q=parachute&f=false
Time magazine has a shorter summary here
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,960158,00.html
talks about infrared beacons and radio transponders.
I particularly like the part about a bear getting into a cocaine load dropped by parachute, and o.d'ing.
The whole story is good, for thinking about what's crazy and what's not...:)
(edit) funny, from the Time article, talking about the side effects of interdiction efforts:
"A Florida farmer, arguing that Garland's air force prompted nervous smugglers to drop their cargo, sought damages after his cow was killed by a plummeting bale of marijuana."
or this allegation about a buddy and the plane that later went in:
"Federal agents are also checking a link between Thornton and David Lee Williams, 35, of Atlanta, who died with 15 other sky divers two weeks ago when his plane stalled and plunged to the ground in rural Jenkinsburg, Ga. The plane's wing tanks were spiked with sugar, indicating sabotage. Thornton and Williams knew each other, and authorities speculate that they skimmed a cocaine shipment from Colombian drug suppliers. After Thornton's death, Williams became a target for revenge. His fellow sky divers, according to this theory, were just innocent bystanders."
(edit) news article about the 17 jumpers killed and the link
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1356&dat=19851005&id=f5oTAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UAYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3561,3399036
The Bluegrass Conspiracy
by Sally Denton
true story
story of Andrew Carter Thornton II
Good story, including how he died in 1985 with italian shoes on, a parachute on his back, and a load of cocaine, in a guy's driveway.
I highlighted all parachute references here..you can read a bunch of the book by clicking on the page snips
http://books.google.com/books?id=MlZ0bSTIIsUC&q=parachute#v=snippet&q=parachute&f=false
Time magazine has a shorter summary here
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,960158,00.html
talks about infrared beacons and radio transponders.
I particularly like the part about a bear getting into a cocaine load dropped by parachute, and o.d'ing.
The whole story is good, for thinking about what's crazy and what's not...:)
(edit) funny, from the Time article, talking about the side effects of interdiction efforts:
"A Florida farmer, arguing that Garland's air force prompted nervous smugglers to drop their cargo, sought damages after his cow was killed by a plummeting bale of marijuana."
or this allegation about a buddy and the plane that later went in:
"Federal agents are also checking a link between Thornton and David Lee Williams, 35, of Atlanta, who died with 15 other sky divers two weeks ago when his plane stalled and plunged to the ground in rural Jenkinsburg, Ga. The plane's wing tanks were spiked with sugar, indicating sabotage. Thornton and Williams knew each other, and authorities speculate that they skimmed a cocaine shipment from Colombian drug suppliers. After Thornton's death, Williams became a target for revenge. His fellow sky divers, according to this theory, were just innocent bystanders."
(edit) news article about the 17 jumpers killed and the link
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1356&dat=19851005&id=f5oTAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UAYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3561,3399036
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