DB Cooper

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377,

Balls? Stupidity? I honestly don't know. Ask me about it when I've been un-employed for about a year and watching the retirement bus pulling away from the stop.


snowttroll,
It's a good thing from a health (stress-level) standpoint.

Maybe, I'll write an expose on the National Nuclear Security Agency (NNSA) and Los Alamos National Labs (LANL) telling all.

It might make all those things done in Viet Nam seem trivial.

Hey, I wrote this on their computer, so I might be arrested before sundown. I don't know if I can withstand waterboarding or not!

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I know one thing, even though this is one of the most beautiful places in the world (seriously), I'll be glad to get back to LA (Lower Alabama) and spend some time with Sugar. We've been in a new house since Jan. 7th and I've spent only 6 nights there.

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Forget the C 123K. We are going large. I have some Serbs working a deal for an AN 22. The AN 22s are getting long in the tooth and are very cheap. Russian maintenance crews and parts are no problem as long as we have cash. You just have to watch them. Turn your back and your plane gets 1000 lbs heavier with a covert diamond cargo concealed in various inspection ports and gear bays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-22

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The act of bringing a chute makes you traceable.
It means you have skills.

not bringing anything, is better for being untraceable.

I'd agree with Snow here. The question of whether or not Cooper was a whuffo wouldn't even have arisen if he had brought his own; instead it is a subject for debate and possibly has clouded the trail along the way.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Forget the C 123K. We are going large. I have some Serbs working a deal for an AN 22. The AN 22s are getting long in the tooth and are very cheap. Russian maintenance crews and parts are no problem as long as we have cash. You just have to watch them. Turn your back and your plane gets 1000 lbs heavier with a covert diamond cargo concealed in various inspection ports and gear bays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-22

377

I am told there are Antonovs all over Africa (not this far south though). Not all of them in good working condition... (did you guys see Lord of War, where the plane gets stripped? That happens )

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Forget the C 123K. We are going large. I have some Serbs working a deal for an AN 22. The AN 22s are getting long in the tooth and are very cheap. Russian maintenance crews and parts are no problem as long as we have cash. You just have to watch them. Turn your back and your plane gets 1000 lbs heavier with a covert diamond cargo concealed in various inspection ports and gear bays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-22

377

I am told there are Antonovs all over Africa (not this far south though). Not all of them in good working condition... (did you guys see Lord of War, where the plane gets stripped? That happens )

It took about 10 years for the DOD to get all the gear built to invade Iraq, and reorient their programs/training.

Looking forward, and just counting the continents left, it seems obvious the next market is Africa. Can we reuse existing camo patterns, or does everything need to be repainted?

If the US invades South Africa because of rumors of WMDs (provided by Curveball, I mean Snowmman)...I have just one question. Can you get good coffee there? Any Starbucks?

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If the US invades South Africa because of rumors of WMDs (provided by Curveball, I mean Snowmman)...I have just one question. Can you get good coffee there? Any Starbucks?

You do realise the rest of the world thinks it's something of a joke that Americans equate Starbucks with good coffee? We have Vida here. http://www.vidaecaffe.com/stores/ You can't invade us if you bring Starbucks with. Just bring the dollars, and we'll put them to good use

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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If the US invades South Africa because of rumors of WMDs (provided by Curveball, I mean Snowmman)...I have just one question. Can you get good coffee there? Any Starbucks?

You do realise the rest of the world thinks it's something of a joke that Americans equate Starbucks with good coffee? We have Vida here. http://www.vidaecaffe.com/stores/ You can't invade us if you bring Starbucks with. Just bring the dollars, and we'll put them to good use

Yes, I know I'm clueless about the coffee issue. Which is why it was the most important issue. At least now I've got some data.

We brought Budweiser to Vietnam. We'll leave the coffee home for South Africa. Maybe we won't need the AN-22's after all. The C-123K will do.

Re bringing the dollars. You'll have to talk to our backers in China. They say jump. We say "how high". 377 says "Wait, no one spotted".

(edit) As of last year, you'll be able to get a Bud in Vietnam.
from http://beeradvocate.com/news/1408591

"Vietnam is an exciting beer market and an important one for Anheuser-Busch to begin establishing and building the Budweiser brand," said Tom Santel, chief executive officer and president, Anheuser-Busch International, Inc. "The country's beer industry experienced double-digit volume growth for the past three years and already has a well-developed premium segment filled with consumers who will appreciate Budweiser's clean, crisp and refreshing taste."

"Budweiser initially will be available at upscale bars, restaurants and supermarkets in Ho Chi Minh City as well as select chain outlets across the nation."

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Yeah, you brought Bud to Vietnam ... and now SAB owns Millers ... another SA connection for you!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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When Bobby Kennedy was campaigning in Ky and some of the poor distressed states he did INDEED wear a clip on many times.

Can you provide some proof of this, Jo?

You said:
"He was on draped wagons in the streets with people grabbing at his tie and his cuffs and arms"
If this is so surely when they grabbed his clip-on tie it would have come off??? Where are the pictures? Oh, I forgot, they have been suppressed Do you really, honestly, truly, believe that the CIA has hidden all pictures of Kennedy with a clip-on tie? You may as well try convince me that all photos were then fed to the aliens from Roswell.
I repeat: twaddle.

There was a special on one of the channels several months ago. Basically about the presidents and then it went into Bobby's campaign...There were multiple multiple shots of what I just spoke about. Unfortunately it was after Feb when we had to go on the converter boxes and I couldn't get my VCR to work with it. I called a friend and he got to see the last part of it - and when he tried to order this - it was NOT available.

My friend has the name of the documentary - I will get it from him. HAD the authorities not have shut down all of the pictures of Robert Kennedy in WA -( there were something like 30-40K pics of Bobby).....we might have more pics of Bobby and Documentary clips. All of these pictures went POOF not available until several yrs from now.

There is a "spook" out there?

It takes a lot of time and money to be able to find all of the information being digested by this thread right now . I keep trying to figure out how one man can find as much as Snowmman does and read as much as he does. He is either working at this 24/7 or he is more than one person doing this research. I find it difficult to believe he is just doing this because he is caught up in the Cooper Saga.

377 has met Snowmman personally - maybe he can explain how Snow accumulates all of this information in such an orderly fashion and leads the reader right to solutions, but never states these solutions, until he has created the interest.

One man does not spend his time and his resources doing what seems to be the job of a team without a motive - such as a movie or book or to distract from other subjects. Frankly and strangely I like what he is doing, but I question his motive as others who read this thread are also doing. I thought it was just my getting this feeling - but others (not posters) have verbalized the same recently to me.

Snowmman has gotten the attention of a lot of readers lately and for good reason - the power and research powers behind his posts. Snow knows I was curious about him early on - and now my curiosity has peak as has that of others.

PS. I don't do anything or say things that are well thought out - so if you are analizing my words then you are putting way too much thought into it. As for picture going Poof - prior to that documentary we had searched every photo of Bobby Kennedy we could find - and not clear shots of a clip. He was dressed well for expected photos and at functions - we are talking about when he was on the campaign trail - making speeches from the streets on the back of wagons. Talking to the poor and oppressed - Bobby Kennedy was NOT an obstentatious person and he was sensible...wearing the proper attire when needed.

Anyone knows that if you are expecting to have your picture taken with another dignitary to dress in the appropriate manner.

If you are going to be in the streets and not in an air conditioned hall - and the public is grabbing at you - what would you wear, what do you think security advised him to wear?

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377 has met Snowmman personally - maybe he can explain how Snow accumulates all of this information in such an orderly fashion and leads the reader right to solutions, but never states these solutions, until he has created the interest.

One man does not spend his time and his resources doing what seems to be the job of a team without a motive - such as a movie or book or to distract from other subjects. Frankly and strangely I like what he is doing, but I question his motive as others who monitor this thread are also doing.

Jo,

Snow is just one guy and, as far as I can tell, he has no hidden motives or pending media projects. Snow has a day job. He has many other interests. His world does not revolve around DB Cooper.

Snow amazes me when he continually finds stuff I have searched for and failed to find, but that just shows he is a better searcher, not a spook or team or anything else.

377

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Snow is just one guy and, as far as I can tell, he has no hidden motives or pending media projects. Snow has a day job. He has many other interests. His world does not revolve around DB Cooper.

Snow amazes me when he continually finds stuff I have searched for and failed to find, but that just shows he is a better searcher, not a spook or team or anything else.

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"Amazing" is the word used by others when describing Snowmmans posts, but lets not let his ego get too big. He must have one of those Bull Dogs or whatever Sluggo called it in his basement that works when he is away.

Snowmman has found things I spent yrs searching for and couldn't find....If I may speak freely like one of the guys I would say " Where the Fringing Hell did he find that?" Which I have said many time to myself after reading his sometimes very lenghty posts.

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I don't do anything or say things that are well thought out - so if you are analizing my words then you are putting way too much thought into it.

Really? How about when you say Duane Weber was Dan Cooper? What am I supposed to think Jo?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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"Amazing" is the word used by others when describing Snowmmans posts, but lets not let his ego get too big.

Snowmman is actually a warm, hospitable, modest and likeable person. He is very smart, but we all know that. He doesn't show off his brains in social situations. He is quite tolerant of foolish errors made by mortals.

Of course, who I met might have been a plant with the REAL evil CIA controlled Team Snowmman all laughing like Jokers and Jackals at my naive gullibility.

How could I have been so dumb?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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skyjack71 wondered "I keep trying to figure out how one man can find as much as Snowmman"

Focus
Assets
Budget
Motivation
Technology
Training

Snowmman Industries has combined those to win market share, from which we derive profits, that we return to grateful employees and shareholders. Monopoly position helps.

That reminds me, I have to submit next year's budget. We're supposed to trim 300 off the staff, but I'm not sure how I can do it without cutting programs, such as our planned hostile takeover of Xe. (was called Blackwater).

The current proposal is we shelve the South Africa invasion until the worldwide economy improves. I'm not sure. I think strategic decisions are right no matter what the short term outlook.

Stay tuned, Orange1 can report at first sight of overflights.

(edit) Oh I forgot:
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise....

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Stay tuned, Orange1 can report at first sight of overflights.

SA/Zaire is not so restrictive as to what "toys" private citizens can have. Check out Thunder City, which includes a private fleet of Mach 2+ English Electric Lightning jet fighters.

http://www.thundercity.co.za/

Orange will probably be flying CAP in her own fighter.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I am told there are Antonovs all over Africa (not this far south though). Not all of them in good working condition... (did you guys see Lord of War, where the plane gets stripped? That happens Laugh)

I'd not heard of Lord of War before seeing your post. Just finished watching it. The looting and stripping of the plane was interesting and somewhat believable. Pretty good movie. Thanks.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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1st to JO,

I don’t have a Bulldog in my basement (like, arf… arf) I have Bulldog Drummond (you know, a gumshoe, a dick, a private eye) chained to a pipe in my basement.

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Now to ALL,

And that leads me to this:

I found out that of the 1057 official suspects in the NORJAK case, investigated by a number of agencies, none were named Ted B. Braden (and permutations) or Joseph Edward Homer (and permutations)".

So I unchained Bulldog and told him to find out all he could about our boy Braden, starting with the address that Bruce (I think) supplied, in Niles, OH.

After soaking me by adding a bunch of stuff to his expense account like a case of good Kentucky sipping whiskey, a pair of “Air Jordan” athletic shoes, three pairs of athletic socks, some pork rinds, and a box of tampons, he finally got out and started looking.

When he came back, he looked pretty worn out. He’s a bit weird, but he’s a hard worker, and usually gets me good results. But today, he was totally defeated. He just kept mumbling something about; “should have had more tampons.” He said; “ I searched the entire US and it’s protectorates and I found one Ted Braden and he’s too young.”

He found:
THEODORE M. BRADEN
213 GOVERNORS AVE
TRENTON, OH 45067
SSN: 275-68-XXXX (SSN was assigned in OH in 1975-1976)
Phone: REDACTED (I don’t want to post it here, PM me if you need it.)
Year of Birth: 1959
Age: 49

Who, on some outside possibility, could be Ted B. Braden’s son (I know, that’s stretching).

So, here’s what I’m thinking:
We can get back into the spirit of where we were in April of 2008 (the parachute find) and try to work together. If the FBI didn’t investigate Braden, we should.

1. Let’s find him (if he’s still alive).

2. Select someone to talk to/interview him. (Bruce maybe?)

3. See if what he has to say, will eliminate him or makes us more suspicious.

4. Figure out a path forward after that.

I can try to do this alone, but two heads are better than one and about sixteen are a LOT better than one.

I took Bulldog back down to the basement and chained him up. I stayed awhile, thanked him, and tried to console him, but he’s taking it pretty hard. He doesn't accept defeat very well.

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Sluggo.
You obviously have the wrong Ted B. Braden because of the age.
It's really bad form to dump home addresses on here of people that are obviously of no interest.

Why did you do that? It's very un-southern gentleman-like?

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Sluggo lied "I found out that of the 1057 official suspects in the NORJAK case, investigated by a number of agencies, none were named Ted B. Braden (and permutations) or Joseph Edward Homer (and permutations)"."


I was on a web forum where an FBI agent assigned to the case was posting about it. He said that all obvious suspects had been investigated. Since Ted B. Braden is obvious, Ted was obviously investigated.

Why are you lying?

What information do you have about propellers in use on the Columbia in 1971?

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If I remember correctly, April 2008 or thereabouts was the only time Quade did a mass delete of posts for some reason.

Is that the spirit you're referring to? Or some made-up notion of spirit? or proposing something new and fresh, but never seen before here?

(edit) The Ted B. Braden, 80 years old, I referred to, might not be the one we want, although the age seems roughly correct.

I'm waiting on the mail for my Ramparts magazine. So I'm hoping I get an age from that.

I'm really, really surprised you didn't see the Ted B. Braden I'm talking about. I have a home address, but I suspect it might not be current.

I don't post shit like that on web forums though. Because I'm not from Alabama. :) (smileys always make things all right)

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Sluggo.
You obviously have the wrong Ted B. Braden because of the age.
It's really bad form to dump home addresses on here of people that are obviously of no interest.

Why did you do that? It's very un-southern gentleman-like?

He said that it may be his son.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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Yes... Ted M. Braden is the wrong Ted B. Braden (did you read what I said about it being a stretch that he might be Braden's son?)

It's all public record. I redacted the phone number because it isn't someone of interest and I wouldn't want some lurker to call.

So... your point?

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Sluggo.
You obviously have the wrong Ted B. Braden because of the age.
It's really bad form to dump home addresses on here of people that are obviously of no interest.

Why did you do that? It's very un-southern gentleman-like?

He said that it may be his son.

So that makes it okay? What about possible daughters? Or people he might have slept with?

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Yes... Ted M. Braden is the wrong Ted B. Braden (did you read what I said about it being a stretch that he might be Braden's son?)

It's all public record. I redacted the phone number because it isn't someone of interest and I wouldn't want some lurker to call.

So... your point?

You claimed to be a gentleman. I guess if one picks an arbitrary definition of gentleman, you are.

Kind of like 2+1=5, for appropriate values of 1.

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I only need to guess 4 digits and I have Ted, 49's social security
number.
(from Sluggo's post)

Nice!

When I'm arrested, I'll say I got it from the FBI.

Get out of Jail Free!
(I'll throw Sluggo to them as part of the "ring" I'm in)

(edit) Sluggo: the tool you're using. If you read the agreement that came with it, I believe you agreed to various restrictions on the use of the data. In fact most of those companies agree to cooperate with authorities, if there is misuse (i.e. provide information to LE).