377 22 #11626 July 30, 2009 QuoteThe Commutation of Sentence that makes NO sense with his [Duane's] prior records. Exactly what I thought Jo until that pesky Snowmman dug up facts that showed that commutations/pardons were being handed out in massive quantities at the time. Unless you think that this was done as part of a conspiracy to mask Duane's unlikely commutation in a sea of similar clemencies, you just have to conclude that Duane was at the right place at the right time and got lucky. You have to let go of conspiracy theories when indisputable contrary facts are presented. The ET UFO crowd and alien crop circle believers have a really hard time letting go, but I don't. Sometimes the fantastic becomes mundane when you dig deep enough. It isn't fun, it can be a huge emotional letdown, but you have to let go. Otherwise, you can be accurately classified as obsessed. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #11627 July 30, 2009 QuoteThe Canadian theory has been brought up a couple of times, I certainly wouldn't discount it. It fits (some theories) in a number of ways (French, area, military cooperation with US, etc). (btw, off topic, I should probably mention i have very little experience hiking in snow. i should probably have used beach sand which is most certainly a bitch to hike in with a rig and weight belt...on a hot summer's day...but i digress) Welcome back Orange! We missed you. Landing miles out? Surely you jest. Bet you never land more than a few steps from your intended target. When I was an S/L student I got dropped through a solid overcast that had closed up after takeoff. The pilot and JM were certain they were over the DZ. I should have balked but I didn't know I could, and besides. I had paid for the jump and there were no refunds. If you took off, you paid. When I broke through I was so far from the DZ I didnt recognize ANY landmarks. A farmer gave me a long ride in his truck back to the DZ where they were really starting to freak out. Did you see the National Geo show? Worth watching but they were far more interested in entertainment than logic or accuracy. I am not optimistic about it serving as a beacon for new people having relevant evidence. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11628 July 30, 2009 SchlitznGrins.No Tom does not believe the theory that nat geo aired.His exact words to me was maybe there could be a 1percent chance that this theory could be correct.But this case even baffles him.Tom may have made a mistake. He is aware of this.However he promisses to share any new finding's with the Forum.Humble pie has been his meal since the airing of the nat geo documantary.Trust me he is sincere.Orange 1 you had a lot of people worried.Please remember that people do worry about you. Don't let it happen again.Just a request!(consider your but chewed/ counseled)Glad your safe and back home.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11629 July 30, 2009 Geoger:Brillant this is good Info. I will follow through on this. This info is the best I have recieved in 20yrs.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #11630 July 30, 2009 Quote Quote Anyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase? If he did water land and had the briefcase that thing would float would it not? Did anyone ever wonder what the green (thought to be plastic) bag was that was peeking out from a the back part of Coopers opened brief case might have been? Your post if the first time I ever thought of inflatable aids.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #11631 July 30, 2009 The FLYING HELLFISH, a drinking group with a skydiving problem, showed up at every WFFC meet with a well stocked tent including all sorts of "inflatable aids" used by skydivers prominently displayed. Some local townspepole were quite offended. http://www.theflyinghellfish.com/rantoul.htm I lurked on one of their raft dives watching it from a safe distance. I knew how much those guys drank the night before and decided that it was wiser to be a spectator than a participant. HELLFISH really know how to party hard and work diligently to keep their top ranking. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11632 July 30, 2009 Jo. How many first times do you need.The brief case would have floated for an exstended period of time.and would have been spotted.The problem is ,it wasn't. It is still a mistery as to what happened to it. I believe Cooper took it with him when he jumped. Why? Because in order for him to make the bomb there could have been evindence left behind.For instance the manufacture and the place the brief case was sold. Items like this is massed produced. They can be traced to the buyer. The contents of the case was believed to be road flaires. These are masseed produced in Lot's.They can also be traced to the buyer.Whether Cooper purchased these Items or not, They could be traced back to the purchaser.Then lead to the present owner.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #11633 July 30, 2009 377 said: Quote Jo, (edited for space) How noble of you. Why protect the perpetrator? You can keep the victims names confidential. I will not put the life (emotionally, physical or financially) of another person before my own - and until I have the information I would require of the FBI - I have to sit on this part of what has been found. Something in their file (that they have to have) is going to co-incide with information I have and never made public. This part is crucial, but only a small part of the big picture. I guess for being brief I should give this part of my story a code name - such as SAC ==================== 377 said: Quote As for the idea that you can dictate the terms under which the FBI can examine allegedly key NORJACK evidence who do you think you are to expect such favored treatment? I would not be asking to "examine key NORJACK evidence". If an individual has something to offer that might be of value to help end the Cooper Saga - but want to have that information never made public, how would they do this. First I need answers from the FBI about something very specific to see if the information to be given has any validity. I for one have seen too many lives destroyed because agressive investigators whose only motive is to solve a crime relentlessly question individuals who had no actual connection to a specific crime - and then their name is mention publically and their lives destroyed when they actually knew nothing and the relationship with the perpetrator was casual. It is the system that I FEAR and the EARS of the media. ===================== 377 said: QuoteI used to wonder why Jerry seemed so mean to you. Now I am less baffled. I still believe you are sincere but you are also obsessed with control. It allows you to maintain belief in an obsession that would never withstand the scrutiny of the public. I am not obsessed with control, but I have come to NOT trust the media nor the FBI. I did not know that Jerry had so much contempt for me until he came on this forum...and I still do not understand why he didn't understand what I was trying to tell him all of those yrs. I believe it was lack of communications and his not realizing that I had only been to WA one time in my life - 1979. I could not make him see what was in my minds' eye. What I should have done - was not leave WA in 2001 after I found the area until I drug him and the media to the spot. I had little money to spend on such a venture and need to get home and back to work. =================== 377 said: QuoteYou said unequivocally that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. You promised to share your evidence. Now you equivocate and backtrack coming up with noble excuses for your failure to keep your promise. I said when we verified our information or at least most of it - that requires the co-operation of others which we are waiting on. I AM NOT backtracking and I have provided some vague clues in my post recently. =================== 377 said: QuoteOK, I get it. It is always going to be this way. You won't change. If you did you couldn't hold on to the illusion that a lying petty crook conned you into thinking he was a big shot A list mastermind criminal, a folk hero and yes, actually an admired person in the eyes of many. I agree that Duane was a lying petty crook, but he never led me to thinking he was a mastermind criminal nor a folk hero. If he was trying to glorify his death in some dramatic way - why not just quietly have told me the story and told me that I would find the proof in a such and such place. Perhaps my ignorance of Cooper prevented this from happening as he did try to explain somethings - and he gave up in frustration...I called it Dumb Blonde Syndome, but perhaps it was unconditional love. What is going on is still in the investigative stage and we aren't in a court room and I am not on a witness stand. Hell, a couple of pieces of this information are at the most only a couple of wks old and you expect me to smear it on the front pages...Sorry I have more respect for all the work that has been done and yet to be done to jeopardize what has already been accomplished and what is to come.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #11634 July 30, 2009 I'm trying to attach pictures of Tina's Bar. How does one do that? Thanks- BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11635 July 30, 2009 Jo Made up stories will not get you anywhere. Please explain to all why you do this.Or post the evindence that you say you have .Or is it just stories like the ones you have come up with in the past. Jo I have checked every place you have requested.I have researched every theory you have presented.I have spent time money and endless hour's to help you in your quest.But to no avail.I continue to do so just so you can be happy. Why? I don't know . maybe it is because some one in my past Slapped me stupid. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11636 July 30, 2009 Bruce. Snowmman or georger can help you.So can Jo. Myself I'm lucky to even get my computer to turn on.Thank god for Shelly. After 23yrs she still helps me. the good thing is that she still feels that I am her stud(humor).All I can tell you is hit the power button and pray that it works Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SchlitznGrins 0 #11637 July 31, 2009 Hey Jerry, How much ground have you covered over the years? I mean, there is just so much terrain to cover it seems like an impossible task to search it all. Are the Cascades in any part of the proposed drop area? It seems like it would be near impossible to cover some of that ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SchlitznGrins 0 #11638 July 31, 2009 Bruce, there is a browse button under your text area of the message you type. Click on that browse button and locate the photo on your computer. Once you locate it click the Upload attachment button and send your message! I hope this helps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SchlitznGrins 0 #11639 July 31, 2009 In June of 2000, the family of a woman named Elsie Rodgers, who had told her family that she discovered the skull of Dan Cooper near the Columbia River while on vacation in the early 80s, came forward with the skull when they found it wrapped it a box with another bone after her death in May. The FBI used DNA evidence originally gathered from the plane (they refused to say what it was but a guess would be material on the discarded cigarettes) to compare with the bones but their scientists were unable to prove it was the skull of the skyjacker. I do not recall anyone ever discussing Elsie Rodgers...Jerry, have you had a chance to speak with her family? I wonder if the skull was ever ID'ed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #11640 July 31, 2009 QuoteI'm trying to attach pictures of Tina's Bar. How does one do that? Thanks- BAS They have to be less than 300KB, otherwise it will reject them. It's best to resize them using photoshop or an equivalent tool. Since they're likely jpg files, you want to use the minimum compression that will still keep it under 300KB. Alternatively, windows xp has some ways to resize things that you can set up, but don't give you as much control. Most cameras nowadays take very high resolution by default, so you'll probably have to crop and/or change compression. A nice free tool for organizing photos, with some resize and edit capability is Picasa from Google. Is the photo 300KB or less already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #11641 July 31, 2009 QuoteHey Jerry, How much ground have you covered over the years? I mean, there is just so much terrain to cover it seems like an impossible task to search it all. Are the Cascades in any part of the proposed drop area? It seems like it would be near impossible to cover some of that ground. we could break up any target area into the max zoomed-in currently available satellite photos from google, and shade out searched areas. I really doubt Jerry could have searched much. But we won't agree on a good target area in any case. (edit) based on Jerry's expected ground speed and search swath (eyeball visibility), and guesses at the amount of time per year, I could come up with an estimate for the amount of square footage Jerry might have covered, and work out it's percentage of a theorized target area. Hey maybe could post the first Excel spreadsheet to the thread. That would be a new format for info :) Also: Jerry proposed a model based on new inhabitants and their walking patterns, randomly exposing Cooper before Himmelsbach dies. We could model that probability? might have to get Orange1 involved though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11642 July 31, 2009 SchlitznGrins.I have covered 75%of the area. Bear in mind that the area I have covered is the area I or, the drop zone most people believe, Cooper landed in. Most of the terain ,I have covered. Was due to people like Jo saying they were sure there lead's would solve this case> however the past 4yrs. I have been searching the area's I believe Cooper landed in. Hindsight! I should have followed my insticts, years ago.Back then I did not Know what I do now.What I have done is ( with a lot of help from scholars) is used comon sense. My first impression was to follow every one else's lead. Now I no better and have researched the entire case from the ground up.I Am the only person that can say, I no more about this case than anyone.I have given the New FBI agents on this case alot of advice and directed them on who to contact for Info. Take for instance. When a parachute was found a littile over ayear ago I directed Larry Carr to the aproppriate sources.So the chute could be Identified. Larry did folow my sugestion. This led to the fact that the chute was not a Cooper Artifact.There is many thing's I have contributed to this case. How ever don't take me wrong.The Key Player's in this case is still The FBI and there Retired Agent's. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #11643 July 31, 2009 Jerry said "SchlitznGrins.I have covered 75%of the area. Bear in mind that the area I have covered is the area I or, the drop zone most people believe, Cooper landed in. Most of the terain ,I have covered." I've attached a simple model of Jerry's search capabilities. It represents the most Jerry could have searched, I believe. Correct any numbers I used. The actual search may be down to 50% of this. I think 36 sq miles is a reasonable rough estimate for the maximum amount Jerry could have searched. I'm assuming a "search" as described by Jerry, where he's looking for small things on the surface of the ground, in rough terrain, on foot. See attached. This is quick, so feedback encouraged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11644 July 31, 2009 WoW!your name is long.So with your permission I'll just call you Grin's. Anyway 20 yys ago a man by the name of Johnson found Skelitical remain's in the search area( North fork Washougal)Johnson was a guide for bear hunter's. He's a friend of ny brother's.What he found was the remain's of a pilot that had crashed back in the 1930's.The search for this pilot went on for month's.Now bear in mind back then they did not have the technolgy we have now.Years later Johnson found the remain's. I was asked to go to this site by the Skamainia county Sherrif Dept. to research this find.The remains proved to be of the pilot. Still all this prove's is that things can be obscured in This Invirement for Years. It is no easy task to search any area. the elements can be tasking, However I will continue to search . Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SchlitznGrins 0 #11645 July 31, 2009 Jerry, You can call me whatever you want...just don't call me late to dinner! Snow, the 36 square miles sounds good to me. Jerry, is that about right in your estimation? I know you are real methodical when you search, so that would possibly make the search area a bit smaller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #11646 July 31, 2009 QuoteJerry, You can call me whatever you want...just don't call me late to dinner! Snow, the 36 square miles sounds good to me. Jerry, is that about right in your estimation? I know you are real methodical when you search, so that would possibly make the search area a bit smaller. the "only on weekends" model for 40 weeks a year for 20 years may be questionable. But I used the information that "Shelly must be kept satisfied" to assume he couldn't stay in the field for that long..It would be interesting if Jerry kept a log..of his search..not encounters with Shelly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11647 July 31, 2009 Snowmman.With all do respect you are wrong. Remember this area is full of steep cliff's and scree chutes mountainous terain . Most of the area can be traveled by streams the rest can Not. If you will take the time to join me for 1 hour you will understand. Better yet ask those that have doubted me recently. It does apear on a map that you can travel in all directions.Not going to happen.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #11648 July 31, 2009 Snowmman. I think that I have not clarified one thing.The search area, I use is within 300yrd's from any stream. Any further than that would be a waist of time.The only way ( according to my theory)would be a waist of time the terain in this area only alows for any object to be pushed to a stream/gullyThere is alot of steep cliff's. Most of them are litered with big boulder's. So the search is cut in time because of the terain.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #11649 July 31, 2009 Quote377 - Regarding your views on a missing person. The more I contemplate the situation the more I think Cooper may have been from Canada. Possibly from the Quebec area. That would also tie into the Comic book theory, because it was printed in French. I wonder if the FBI ever went looking outside the USA. I have been trying to get a list of missing persons from that time in the Quebec area, but so far have come up empty. I totally agree with you on the idea that he was not a loner. He was probably a pretty successful guy. Anyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase? If he did water land and had the briefcase that thing would float would it not? Welcome Back Orange :-) Yep that's him! Lives on rue des Chardonnerts in the old section. Walks his dog up by the observatory (plains of Abraham) every night. Has a limp. Will tell you he got it parachuting. A real anarchist ... Snow & 377 have good noses for them. A few restaurants I recommend while you are tracking Bernardo down . . . Initiale Restaurant 54, rue Saint-Pierre Quebec QC 418-694-1818 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 54, rue Saint-Pierre Quebec QC [map] 418-694-1818 http://www.restaurantinitiale.com Laurie Raphael 117 Dalhousie St Quebec QC 418-692-4555 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 117 Dalhousie St Quebec QC [map] 418-692-4555 http://www.laurieraphael.com Café de la Paix 44, rue des Jardins Quebec QC 418-692-3949 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 44, rue des Jardins Quebec QC [map] 418-692-3949 http://www.cafedelapaix.restoquebec.com Continental (Le) 26 St-Louis St Quebec QC 418-694-9995 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 26 St-Louis St Quebec QC [map] 418-694-9995 http://www.restaurantlecontinental.com Aux Anciens Canadiens 34, St-Louis St-CP.175 Quebec QC 418-692-1627 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 34, St-Louis St-CP.175 Quebec QC [map] 418-692-1627 http://www.auxancienscanadiens.qc.ca Bonaparte Auberge & Restaurant 447, rue Saint-Francois-Xavier Montreal QC 514-844-4368 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 447, rue Saint-Francois-Xavier Montreal QC [map] 514-844-4368 http://www.bonaparte.ca La Cremaillere Restaurant 73, Sainte-Anne St Quebec QC 418-692-2216 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 73, Sainte-Anne St Quebec QC [map] 418-692-2216 http://www.cremaillere.qc.ca Le Café Du Monde 84, Dalhousie Quebec City QC 418-692-4455 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 84, Dalhousie Quebec City QC [map] 418-692-4455 http://www.lecafedumonde.com Le Maizerets 2006 de la Canardiere Rd Quebec QC 418-661-3764 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 2006 de la Canardiere Rd Quebec QC [map] 418-661-3764 http://www.maizerets.com Le Charbon Steakhouse 450 Gare du Palais St Quebec QC 418-522-0133 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 450 Gare du Palais St Quebec QC [map] 418-522-0133 http://www.charbonsteakhouse.com Pasta Tutti Giorni 7385, Decarie Boulevard Quebec QC 514-731-2424 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 7385, Decarie Boulevard Quebec QC [map] 514-731-2424 http://www.pastatuttigiorni.com Auberge Baker's Inn 8790, avenue Royale RR 3 Chateau-Richer QC 418-824-4478 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 8790, avenue Royale RR 3 Chateau-Richer QC [map] 418-824-4478 http://www.auberge-baker.qc.ca Good lick. Moi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #11650 July 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteAnyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase? I think he tossed the bomb stuff before he jumped. Whether he kept the briefcase is an open question. I dont think it would float for long if it went in the water. It would be easy to test. Why not after he jumped? [edit] Geez Louise Im wrong! One hand on the brief case. One hand on the money bag rope. What does he pull the chute open with? You're right. He must have tossed the brief case BEFORE he jumped, not after. My apologies. Alequam Salaquim. Yes we should test if brief cases float. In a hurricane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 Next Page 466 of 2616 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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377 22 #11631 July 30, 2009 The FLYING HELLFISH, a drinking group with a skydiving problem, showed up at every WFFC meet with a well stocked tent including all sorts of "inflatable aids" used by skydivers prominently displayed. Some local townspepole were quite offended. http://www.theflyinghellfish.com/rantoul.htm I lurked on one of their raft dives watching it from a safe distance. I knew how much those guys drank the night before and decided that it was wiser to be a spectator than a participant. HELLFISH really know how to party hard and work diligently to keep their top ranking. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11632 July 30, 2009 Jo. How many first times do you need.The brief case would have floated for an exstended period of time.and would have been spotted.The problem is ,it wasn't. It is still a mistery as to what happened to it. I believe Cooper took it with him when he jumped. Why? Because in order for him to make the bomb there could have been evindence left behind.For instance the manufacture and the place the brief case was sold. Items like this is massed produced. They can be traced to the buyer. The contents of the case was believed to be road flaires. These are masseed produced in Lot's.They can also be traced to the buyer.Whether Cooper purchased these Items or not, They could be traced back to the purchaser.Then lead to the present owner.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #11633 July 30, 2009 377 said: Quote Jo, (edited for space) How noble of you. Why protect the perpetrator? You can keep the victims names confidential. I will not put the life (emotionally, physical or financially) of another person before my own - and until I have the information I would require of the FBI - I have to sit on this part of what has been found. Something in their file (that they have to have) is going to co-incide with information I have and never made public. This part is crucial, but only a small part of the big picture. I guess for being brief I should give this part of my story a code name - such as SAC ==================== 377 said: Quote As for the idea that you can dictate the terms under which the FBI can examine allegedly key NORJACK evidence who do you think you are to expect such favored treatment? I would not be asking to "examine key NORJACK evidence". If an individual has something to offer that might be of value to help end the Cooper Saga - but want to have that information never made public, how would they do this. First I need answers from the FBI about something very specific to see if the information to be given has any validity. I for one have seen too many lives destroyed because agressive investigators whose only motive is to solve a crime relentlessly question individuals who had no actual connection to a specific crime - and then their name is mention publically and their lives destroyed when they actually knew nothing and the relationship with the perpetrator was casual. It is the system that I FEAR and the EARS of the media. ===================== 377 said: QuoteI used to wonder why Jerry seemed so mean to you. Now I am less baffled. I still believe you are sincere but you are also obsessed with control. It allows you to maintain belief in an obsession that would never withstand the scrutiny of the public. I am not obsessed with control, but I have come to NOT trust the media nor the FBI. I did not know that Jerry had so much contempt for me until he came on this forum...and I still do not understand why he didn't understand what I was trying to tell him all of those yrs. I believe it was lack of communications and his not realizing that I had only been to WA one time in my life - 1979. I could not make him see what was in my minds' eye. What I should have done - was not leave WA in 2001 after I found the area until I drug him and the media to the spot. I had little money to spend on such a venture and need to get home and back to work. =================== 377 said: QuoteYou said unequivocally that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. You promised to share your evidence. Now you equivocate and backtrack coming up with noble excuses for your failure to keep your promise. I said when we verified our information or at least most of it - that requires the co-operation of others which we are waiting on. I AM NOT backtracking and I have provided some vague clues in my post recently. =================== 377 said: QuoteOK, I get it. It is always going to be this way. You won't change. If you did you couldn't hold on to the illusion that a lying petty crook conned you into thinking he was a big shot A list mastermind criminal, a folk hero and yes, actually an admired person in the eyes of many. I agree that Duane was a lying petty crook, but he never led me to thinking he was a mastermind criminal nor a folk hero. If he was trying to glorify his death in some dramatic way - why not just quietly have told me the story and told me that I would find the proof in a such and such place. Perhaps my ignorance of Cooper prevented this from happening as he did try to explain somethings - and he gave up in frustration...I called it Dumb Blonde Syndome, but perhaps it was unconditional love. What is going on is still in the investigative stage and we aren't in a court room and I am not on a witness stand. Hell, a couple of pieces of this information are at the most only a couple of wks old and you expect me to smear it on the front pages...Sorry I have more respect for all the work that has been done and yet to be done to jeopardize what has already been accomplished and what is to come.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #11634 July 30, 2009 I'm trying to attach pictures of Tina's Bar. How does one do that? Thanks- BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11635 July 30, 2009 Jo Made up stories will not get you anywhere. Please explain to all why you do this.Or post the evindence that you say you have .Or is it just stories like the ones you have come up with in the past. Jo I have checked every place you have requested.I have researched every theory you have presented.I have spent time money and endless hour's to help you in your quest.But to no avail.I continue to do so just so you can be happy. Why? I don't know . maybe it is because some one in my past Slapped me stupid. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11636 July 30, 2009 Bruce. Snowmman or georger can help you.So can Jo. Myself I'm lucky to even get my computer to turn on.Thank god for Shelly. After 23yrs she still helps me. the good thing is that she still feels that I am her stud(humor).All I can tell you is hit the power button and pray that it works Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SchlitznGrins 0 #11637 July 31, 2009 Hey Jerry, How much ground have you covered over the years? I mean, there is just so much terrain to cover it seems like an impossible task to search it all. Are the Cascades in any part of the proposed drop area? It seems like it would be near impossible to cover some of that ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SchlitznGrins 0 #11638 July 31, 2009 Bruce, there is a browse button under your text area of the message you type. Click on that browse button and locate the photo on your computer. Once you locate it click the Upload attachment button and send your message! I hope this helps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SchlitznGrins 0 #11639 July 31, 2009 In June of 2000, the family of a woman named Elsie Rodgers, who had told her family that she discovered the skull of Dan Cooper near the Columbia River while on vacation in the early 80s, came forward with the skull when they found it wrapped it a box with another bone after her death in May. The FBI used DNA evidence originally gathered from the plane (they refused to say what it was but a guess would be material on the discarded cigarettes) to compare with the bones but their scientists were unable to prove it was the skull of the skyjacker. I do not recall anyone ever discussing Elsie Rodgers...Jerry, have you had a chance to speak with her family? I wonder if the skull was ever ID'ed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #11640 July 31, 2009 QuoteI'm trying to attach pictures of Tina's Bar. How does one do that? Thanks- BAS They have to be less than 300KB, otherwise it will reject them. It's best to resize them using photoshop or an equivalent tool. Since they're likely jpg files, you want to use the minimum compression that will still keep it under 300KB. Alternatively, windows xp has some ways to resize things that you can set up, but don't give you as much control. Most cameras nowadays take very high resolution by default, so you'll probably have to crop and/or change compression. A nice free tool for organizing photos, with some resize and edit capability is Picasa from Google. Is the photo 300KB or less already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #11641 July 31, 2009 QuoteHey Jerry, How much ground have you covered over the years? I mean, there is just so much terrain to cover it seems like an impossible task to search it all. Are the Cascades in any part of the proposed drop area? It seems like it would be near impossible to cover some of that ground. we could break up any target area into the max zoomed-in currently available satellite photos from google, and shade out searched areas. I really doubt Jerry could have searched much. But we won't agree on a good target area in any case. (edit) based on Jerry's expected ground speed and search swath (eyeball visibility), and guesses at the amount of time per year, I could come up with an estimate for the amount of square footage Jerry might have covered, and work out it's percentage of a theorized target area. Hey maybe could post the first Excel spreadsheet to the thread. That would be a new format for info :) Also: Jerry proposed a model based on new inhabitants and their walking patterns, randomly exposing Cooper before Himmelsbach dies. We could model that probability? might have to get Orange1 involved though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11642 July 31, 2009 SchlitznGrins.I have covered 75%of the area. Bear in mind that the area I have covered is the area I or, the drop zone most people believe, Cooper landed in. Most of the terain ,I have covered. Was due to people like Jo saying they were sure there lead's would solve this case> however the past 4yrs. I have been searching the area's I believe Cooper landed in. Hindsight! I should have followed my insticts, years ago.Back then I did not Know what I do now.What I have done is ( with a lot of help from scholars) is used comon sense. My first impression was to follow every one else's lead. Now I no better and have researched the entire case from the ground up.I Am the only person that can say, I no more about this case than anyone.I have given the New FBI agents on this case alot of advice and directed them on who to contact for Info. Take for instance. When a parachute was found a littile over ayear ago I directed Larry Carr to the aproppriate sources.So the chute could be Identified. Larry did folow my sugestion. This led to the fact that the chute was not a Cooper Artifact.There is many thing's I have contributed to this case. How ever don't take me wrong.The Key Player's in this case is still The FBI and there Retired Agent's. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #11643 July 31, 2009 Jerry said "SchlitznGrins.I have covered 75%of the area. Bear in mind that the area I have covered is the area I or, the drop zone most people believe, Cooper landed in. Most of the terain ,I have covered." I've attached a simple model of Jerry's search capabilities. It represents the most Jerry could have searched, I believe. Correct any numbers I used. The actual search may be down to 50% of this. I think 36 sq miles is a reasonable rough estimate for the maximum amount Jerry could have searched. I'm assuming a "search" as described by Jerry, where he's looking for small things on the surface of the ground, in rough terrain, on foot. See attached. This is quick, so feedback encouraged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11644 July 31, 2009 WoW!your name is long.So with your permission I'll just call you Grin's. Anyway 20 yys ago a man by the name of Johnson found Skelitical remain's in the search area( North fork Washougal)Johnson was a guide for bear hunter's. He's a friend of ny brother's.What he found was the remain's of a pilot that had crashed back in the 1930's.The search for this pilot went on for month's.Now bear in mind back then they did not have the technolgy we have now.Years later Johnson found the remain's. I was asked to go to this site by the Skamainia county Sherrif Dept. to research this find.The remains proved to be of the pilot. Still all this prove's is that things can be obscured in This Invirement for Years. It is no easy task to search any area. the elements can be tasking, However I will continue to search . Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SchlitznGrins 0 #11645 July 31, 2009 Jerry, You can call me whatever you want...just don't call me late to dinner! Snow, the 36 square miles sounds good to me. Jerry, is that about right in your estimation? I know you are real methodical when you search, so that would possibly make the search area a bit smaller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #11646 July 31, 2009 QuoteJerry, You can call me whatever you want...just don't call me late to dinner! Snow, the 36 square miles sounds good to me. Jerry, is that about right in your estimation? I know you are real methodical when you search, so that would possibly make the search area a bit smaller. the "only on weekends" model for 40 weeks a year for 20 years may be questionable. But I used the information that "Shelly must be kept satisfied" to assume he couldn't stay in the field for that long..It would be interesting if Jerry kept a log..of his search..not encounters with Shelly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11647 July 31, 2009 Snowmman.With all do respect you are wrong. Remember this area is full of steep cliff's and scree chutes mountainous terain . Most of the area can be traveled by streams the rest can Not. If you will take the time to join me for 1 hour you will understand. Better yet ask those that have doubted me recently. It does apear on a map that you can travel in all directions.Not going to happen.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #11648 July 31, 2009 Snowmman. I think that I have not clarified one thing.The search area, I use is within 300yrd's from any stream. Any further than that would be a waist of time.The only way ( according to my theory)would be a waist of time the terain in this area only alows for any object to be pushed to a stream/gullyThere is alot of steep cliff's. Most of them are litered with big boulder's. So the search is cut in time because of the terain.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 268 #11649 July 31, 2009 Quote377 - Regarding your views on a missing person. The more I contemplate the situation the more I think Cooper may have been from Canada. Possibly from the Quebec area. That would also tie into the Comic book theory, because it was printed in French. I wonder if the FBI ever went looking outside the USA. I have been trying to get a list of missing persons from that time in the Quebec area, but so far have come up empty. I totally agree with you on the idea that he was not a loner. He was probably a pretty successful guy. Anyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase? If he did water land and had the briefcase that thing would float would it not? Welcome Back Orange :-) Yep that's him! Lives on rue des Chardonnerts in the old section. Walks his dog up by the observatory (plains of Abraham) every night. Has a limp. Will tell you he got it parachuting. A real anarchist ... Snow & 377 have good noses for them. A few restaurants I recommend while you are tracking Bernardo down . . . Initiale Restaurant 54, rue Saint-Pierre Quebec QC 418-694-1818 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 54, rue Saint-Pierre Quebec QC [map] 418-694-1818 http://www.restaurantinitiale.com Laurie Raphael 117 Dalhousie St Quebec QC 418-692-4555 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 117 Dalhousie St Quebec QC [map] 418-692-4555 http://www.laurieraphael.com Café de la Paix 44, rue des Jardins Quebec QC 418-692-3949 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 44, rue des Jardins Quebec QC [map] 418-692-3949 http://www.cafedelapaix.restoquebec.com Continental (Le) 26 St-Louis St Quebec QC 418-694-9995 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 26 St-Louis St Quebec QC [map] 418-694-9995 http://www.restaurantlecontinental.com Aux Anciens Canadiens 34, St-Louis St-CP.175 Quebec QC 418-692-1627 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 34, St-Louis St-CP.175 Quebec QC [map] 418-692-1627 http://www.auxancienscanadiens.qc.ca Bonaparte Auberge & Restaurant 447, rue Saint-Francois-Xavier Montreal QC 514-844-4368 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 447, rue Saint-Francois-Xavier Montreal QC [map] 514-844-4368 http://www.bonaparte.ca La Cremaillere Restaurant 73, Sainte-Anne St Quebec QC 418-692-2216 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 73, Sainte-Anne St Quebec QC [map] 418-692-2216 http://www.cremaillere.qc.ca Le Café Du Monde 84, Dalhousie Quebec City QC 418-692-4455 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 84, Dalhousie Quebec City QC [map] 418-692-4455 http://www.lecafedumonde.com Le Maizerets 2006 de la Canardiere Rd Quebec QC 418-661-3764 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 2006 de la Canardiere Rd Quebec QC [map] 418-661-3764 http://www.maizerets.com Le Charbon Steakhouse 450 Gare du Palais St Quebec QC 418-522-0133 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 450 Gare du Palais St Quebec QC [map] 418-522-0133 http://www.charbonsteakhouse.com Pasta Tutti Giorni 7385, Decarie Boulevard Quebec QC 514-731-2424 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 7385, Decarie Boulevard Quebec QC [map] 514-731-2424 http://www.pastatuttigiorni.com Auberge Baker's Inn 8790, avenue Royale RR 3 Chateau-Richer QC 418-824-4478 [map] • Website • Be the first to Recommend! 8790, avenue Royale RR 3 Chateau-Richer QC [map] 418-824-4478 http://www.auberge-baker.qc.ca Good lick. Moi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 268 #11650 July 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteAnyone ever wonder what happened to the briefcase? I think he tossed the bomb stuff before he jumped. Whether he kept the briefcase is an open question. I dont think it would float for long if it went in the water. It would be easy to test. Why not after he jumped? [edit] Geez Louise Im wrong! One hand on the brief case. One hand on the money bag rope. What does he pull the chute open with? You're right. He must have tossed the brief case BEFORE he jumped, not after. My apologies. Alequam Salaquim. Yes we should test if brief cases float. In a hurricane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
