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The second is where I got new evidence. I was able to transcribe the information on the yellow post-it notes around/behind Larry's computer monitor. (he's showing the dan cooper web page in the image)

There were 3 phone numbers. I reversed them and got the names. Quite surprising. Operatives have been deployed.

I'm going to use some good old social engineering, and tell them that Larry gave me their number, and I'm part of the Citizen Scientists, and Larry had some questions.

Good one Snow. Did you decipher that Post It which has his FBI password so crudely encrypted?

You probably designed the processor for the FBIs servers and are already running in and out of a "back door" known only to you.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Do I still think everything I posted? Yes.

typo? Or do you mean "believe" when you write "think" and it is not a typo with a missing word?

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Do people want this thread to be more social?

It could certainly be more cordial or collegial. We waste a LOT of time fighting/insulting/disparaging here.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377 said: "Did the particles come from the found bundles after they landed at Tena bar? That seems unlikely to me."

I had theorized that the brittle edges of the bundles were debrided, when maybe the Ingrams washed the bills when they got home (speculation since no sand was on the bills the FBI showed a couple days later).

Now, the edges are missing. The "particles" could be from these edges of the bills. Or from the edges of other bills.

It would be really nice to have all the pictures of bills, including the modern high res pictures that I posted from the auctions, and walk thru them with the Fazios, trying to get a "sketch" of the particles we're talking about.

it's very unclear.

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Good one Snow. Did you decipher that Post It which has his FBI password so crudely encrypted? 377

I'm been getting a lot of PMs suggesting that one of the Postit notes has the username/password for a porn site.

I have no information along those lines.

(edit) re: 377's question about "typo". I guess I do change my thinking a lot..at least weekly. So I guess the right thing is "I still believe what I just posted..say within the last 72 hours".

If I was on camera, I'd have a hard time saying that anything definite could be said about anything.

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Good one Snow. Did you decipher that Post It which has his FBI password so crudely encrypted? 377

I'm been getting a lot of PMs suggesting that one of the Postit notes has the username/password for a porn site.

I think Ckret is lucky he is assigned to bank robberies. Can you imagine going through all that FBI training, having visions of being a James Bond type of guy, and then spending years sitting in front of a computer pretending to be an 11 year old girl interested in a "relationship" with an adult?

If you can't fight crime effectively, manufacture it and catch it. Better UCR stats that way. You control the whole process.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Guys there are some real weird things going on right now. All of the repercussions from the National Geographic has ODDLY cause me to be contacted, but you know I have stayed out of the media since 2002. I haven't seen the documentary yet - waiting for someone to send me a copy. I tried to watch clips on the thread - I only get a few seconds and then have to wait...it isn't worth it.

I do know from what I have read here and heard that NO mention was made of of Weber. I have recently been made aware investigators stated - Weber had an accent. Duane Weber in 1977 when I met him had NO ACCENT. If he had any accent - it was a mixture of Ohio, Ca, Wa, Or, CO, - the only exposure to the South long term was from 1967 until his death. Yes, by the time you spend yrs in the south and are married to a southerner - formerly Ky, you will ACQUIRE an accent.

When I went to Fl in 1960 - people called me a yankee and told me to slow-down so they could understand me. When I sent to Co. - after being exposed to other accents in Atlanta - no one ever pinned me as having a southern accent. Then in 1988 we were back in the south and after 21 yrs you would think I had been born and raised in Lower Alabama. Accents can be a matter of exposure.

The accent is not really why I am posting. The "stuff" we have gained knowledge of - is still causing us to spin. Perhaps none of what we have acquired will be considered "Proof" but, will add to the unusual amounts of co-incidences. I wonder how many co-incidences it would take to convict a man of murder in court.

Remember my asking the FBI repeatedly for the records from Jefferson -because they and they alone will prove Duane Weber was John Collins. I needed those to prove my relationship to John Collins for a specific purpose which the FBI was aware of. Attorneys couldn't get the Jefferson papers - now all that is left are scant computer records...which you guys helped me obtain. I also needed SS records which I was denied.

If the FBI should or would check the SS records and work the background of Duane Weber aka John Collins versus the work records of others of interest they will find what we found, but the FBI did not really investigate the background of Weber?????

If they had done this they probably still would NOT have got the connections - but WE did. Only someone who knew Duane Weber very well and something about his past life would even have raised an eyebrow. This was more than a raised eyebrow and I will say it was a WOW! and then another WOW and then the chips started falling in place one after the other. There is absolutely no reason to go to the FBI with any of this - they would only turn a deaf ear. We are in a verify mode - but if the FBI would really help this could go a lot faster.

I am reluctant to even share with the authorities information because they and others have only scoffed at what I have told them in the past. Part of this stemmed from information I obtained in this forum and then shared with the FBI. I had just as well have been talking to myself or inside a barrel because the only answer I got was my own voice.

We are still making some verications, but WE don't have a clue what to do with them when all is said and done. If you can't go to the authorites - who do you go to? Does a tree actually make a sound when it falls in the wilderness if there is no one there to hear it?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo said "and I will say it was a WOW!"

who would have thought a crazy old lady would be making side references to the WOW! signal posts we made way way back in the thread.

wowie zowie! oops. I mean, interesting.

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We are still making some verications, but WE don't have a clue what to do with them when all is said and done

OK Jo, here is your clue: PUBLISH THE STUFF HERE! NOW.

Let others opine on the probative value and what to do with the information.

Otherwise it cannot be taken seriously and will be regarded as a tease.

What bad thing can happen from airing it out? You said the "authorities" are not interested.

Until you share the info the only voice you will hear is your own. If there is something Cooper-connected in Duane's past tell the world about it. Duane is dead, the case is cold and the FBI will ignore any Duane is Cooper claims.

What is stopping you from revealing all your "WOW" stuff Jo?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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What is stopping you from revealing all your "WOW" stuff Jo?

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It's interesting Jo says she's waiting on verification.
She never worried about verification before...why bother now?

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Looks to me like the proof Jo promised is mutating into another string of ambiguous coincidences from which one could speculate that Duane was Cooper.

Mouse, Roach, lost or hidden prison and SS records, and sentimental journeys to the suspected area of the jump do not put Duane under a chute.

At least Billy Waugh and Sheridan Peterson can be put under canopies over hostile terrain (Nam and fire areas respectively) and both made night jumps. Both have plausible grudges, Peterson's being more explicit than Waugh's.

Duane's tenous connection to parachuting is:

1. an unidentified piece of suspected parachute hardware sold at a garage sale and not found in any old or new catalogs of parachute hardware.

2. an oral expression of knowledge about how paragliders work with no further details.

3. an unverified and highly doubtful claim that convicts from San Quentin and or Folsom state prisons served as smoke jumpers.

4. a claim that Duane knew an aircraft mechanic who may have had some skydiving connections.

5. a relative of Duane's who worked at Boeing in the pre 727 era and may have had access to "schematics".

6. a "night clerk" who says he remembers Duane checking into a local hotel right before the jump flight under the name of Collins.

7. employment by a corporate affiliate of JM Wave (which admittedly has some Spook connections) as an insurance salesman.

8. a "sentimental journey" to the NORJACK jump area where he pointed out a location where Cooper allegedly came out of the woods.

9. a deathbed confession that he was Dan Cooper.

Need I go further?

Time to stop teasing and start producing evidence Jo. Until you do I will be relentless, but still cordial.

After all, I still believe you are sincere in your beliefs.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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you have a longer list than me, 377.

There are only two things that Jo ever said, that interest me.

1) She way way back in the thread, talked about an exhumation and a search by the FBI. We never heard more about that rumor.

2) She said the night clerk had China in his background.

That's all that ever interested me, in terms of what Jo said.

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What is stopping you from revealing all your "WOW" stuff Jo?

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It's interesting Jo says she's waiting on verification.
She never worried about verification before...why bother now?

Jo,

Let Snow take a crack at "verification." He is pretty good at it in my opinion.

Remember when I got all excited about Duane's inexplicable prison pardon? Snow iced that one fast.

He has even found a map of Billy Waughs landing area in a rainy night HALO jump over VERY hostile territory.

He was the only person who really dug deep on NB 6 NB 8, outboard pull mods, Dan Poynter and USAF pull force studies. All that and he has never even jumped.

I'm not saying he can solve every mystery, but his track record here is very impresive.

His talent is supplemented by others here, most of whom you know.

By withholding info you are wasting valuable resources that are right under your nose.

Hurry, before Snow gets tired of all this, digs in and goes silent in his secret mountain fortress.

Time for teases is over. Time for proof has arrived. Air it out Jo.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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2) She said the night clerk had China in his background.

And can you tell the forum why that interests you?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[JerryThomas 0]

[email]Slugo. Your an extremely intelligent man. There is no doubt.And I'm sure your good at what you do.So try to understand why I'm upset with the airing Of national geo's documentary.There was more than one person involved with this research in March.What upsets me is the fact that Tom went public with a theory that had not been discussed with anyone else on the team.Furthermore,the theory he used was "to say the least"unbelievable.I was under the impression that he would discuss any theory that he would go public with before he did so.This did not happen.So what he did was make a statment that indicated the results of the teams research. Believe me I felt betrayed. Now I have to explain to everyone that it is not the findings of the research.And not everyone agree's with Toms Statement. It is embarrasing. Jerry

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2) She said the night clerk had China in his background.

And can you tell the forum why that interests you?

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Jo has always intrigued me, because she doesn't map onto any person I've ever met, at that age.

So I'm always looking for signs. I long ago decided to accept there wasn't anything...i.e. she was just what she says. But I still can't tell.

Random things would make my ears itch:
The first suspect I forwarded to FBI was a semi-recently dead guy.
Then Jo started talking about exhumations.
I think I forwarded a photo of him to Jo, and she posted about getting a phone call from China with information and forwarding to FBI.
Sheridan has significant China ESL background, just like the nightclerk, who suddenly appeared after I forwarded Sheridan's name to the FBI.
Most interestingly, Sheridan had a web page, which suddenly transitioned to him saying the FBI was sure he was Cooper, right after I forwarded his name. (edit) Actually I'm a little fuzzy on that. It does say that now, but the detail about it transitioning around the right time, is fuzzy and may be in error.

A lot of odd things. But then I can string together most any two random things with random facts. So it all doesn't really matter.

But it explains why those were the only two things I was interested in from Jo. I can get interested in a blade of grass.

(edit) I mentioned how everyone has a model of expected posts from others, depending on what's going on. I've always paid attention to both the content, and the delay between posts, and who reacts to who. Especially over long periods of times, and whenever it changes. It probably means nothing other than we're all human, but it's interesting. It's one of the things I find interesting about this thread.

Of course maybe that makes me mentally unbalanced and hateful. But that's not bad. On a skateboard sticker or tattoo it actually looks good.

[hangdiver 1]

What's embarrassing is Tom K., on camera, fiddling with a Speed Square, torpedo level, tape measure and camera tripod. That's the best the "Team" has!? Seriously?

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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What's embarrassing is Tom K., on camera, fiddling with a Speed Square, torpedo level, tape measure and camera tripod. That's the best the "Team" has!? Seriously?

uh, are you referring to the idea that even joe-blow general contractors use a transit to measure elevations?

(would you pay a contractor who pours the foundation based on those techniques?)

I hired a contractor recently who drove a backhoe to level some ground. He set up a rotating laser level, with a reflector on the backhoe, so he could level to 1" accuracy...just one man...constant measurements while driving. And this was over about a 100' distance.

Cool to watch, because he was just a guy with a high school education, but was able to latch onto technology that he knew gave him an advantage.

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And does anyone wonder why Snow needs such a perfectly level datum? Otherwise the fire control solution for his custom designed AA cannons won't work properly. Those OV 10s had better steer clear of his NO FLY ZONE.

Pneumatically fired water balloons leave almost no trace but have a lot of kinetic energy. You just need a long lead angle.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I've got something zanier than the propeller theory for upstream transport: freighter wakes. DEAD MAN SURFING. Who said you had to be alive to catch a perfect wave?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5PsF7y1Jdk

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377. I do! Your both from Mar's and eat DB Cooper Money And leave your leftovers on Tina's Bar. Jerry

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Jerry,

I never ate money, just harvested it. My ex could eat it at a pretty good clip.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377. WoW! I'm still laughing, How did you come up with that thought.Please teach me. It was fantastic. Jerry

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Of course maybe that makes me mentally unbalanced and hateful. But that's not bad. On a skateboard sticker or tattoo it actually looks good

Speaking of tats, if Carr were serious he'd get one of the Cooper sketch with "born to lose" under it.

None of his talk really commits him to anything. He can always claim that finding Cooper isnt his real job.

A visible tattoo would commit him. It would also help recruiting from a population of bright young people who see the FBI as impossibly square.

Your thoughts Snow?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377. WoW! I'm still laughing, How did you come up with that thought.Please teach me. It was fantastic. Jerry

You got lucky with Shelly Jerry. My joke was based on reality. Didn't take any creativity.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[JerryThomas 0]

377 Shelly read that comment. Her message to you is "your right because no one else would put up with me". She state's I don't have a heart just a thumping Gizzard.Jerry