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QuoteJo I have not taken Bruce anywhere. Bruce is in Vancouver I'm back in Baker City Oregon. I don't plan on hooking up with Bruce untill next sunday even this is not etched in stone.As far as the Lewis River is concerned snowmman No I did not take Tom up there.Yes Tom did do float test on the columbia river his assistants was Geof Gray and Brian Ingram Carrol also assisted. All I did was throw objects in the water and observed. Spent alot of time talking to the fazio's And Larry.Mainly I just enjoyed being there.Jerry
Lets talk tomorrow night. Been a very long hard
day. I still have paperwork and to bed early.
Hope this works for you -
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I'm looking at the video again, and Tom is presenting a theory as his own.
I'm going to edit the video and post it to youtube, just enough showing Tom stating his theory.
Then we can all discuss what Tom says.
(edit) Tom definitely says on camera: Lake Merwin or Lewis River, depending on the pull.
I've got it down to 11 minutes of video highlighting Tom.
Tom says he hit the water.
I'm going to edit the video and post it to youtube, just enough showing Tom stating his theory.
Then we can all discuss what Tom says.
(edit) Tom definitely says on camera: Lake Merwin or Lewis River, depending on the pull.
I've got it down to 11 minutes of video highlighting Tom.
Tom says he hit the water.
Snowmann The FBI did not tell! Tom to keep his data under wrap's.That was Tom that ask every one not to release any info, untill after he published his report. Tom, Dominated and controlled most of every day. His scientific research involved! fishing with money logging GPS locations. Taking pictures and collecting a few sand samples. That cover's it.He spent alot of time measuring distances, and the time it would take the money, on the end of a fishing pole with line, to sink and how far it would travel. This was kind of pointless. He first dipped the money in the water,( on the Columbia River) then threw it in, to see how far the river current would move it.Guess what it sank. The only time the money moved any great distance was on the washougal. it even moved a great distance under water as will as on top, didn't sink as fast though because of the faster moving current. Tom spent most of his time on Tina's Bar. And with the media. The one that did the most constructive work during this time frame was Geof Gray. How ever the FBI agent from Washington DC, did his fair share documenting. as much as he could, his name was Bruce. I don't recall his last name. But he was a hell of a pool player.Jerry
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I don't understand.
Does Tom have more secret data not yet revealed?
How could the restrictions on his scientific publication (the reason he couldn't tell us) allow him to say "something" on tv.
I'm watching Tom with the propeller theory.
It'll take a little while for Youtube to convert it, but I'll post the url
as "Tom's Theory"
Jerry said "The one that did the most constructive work during this time frame was Geof Gray. "
What did Geoffrey Gray do?
Have we seen his work?
Does Tom have more secret data not yet revealed?
How could the restrictions on his scientific publication (the reason he couldn't tell us) allow him to say "something" on tv.
I'm watching Tom with the propeller theory.
It'll take a little while for Youtube to convert it, but I'll post the url
as "Tom's Theory"
Jerry said "The one that did the most constructive work during this time frame was Geof Gray. "
What did Geoffrey Gray do?
Have we seen his work?
georger 268
QuoteGeoger The cow's did not have access to the river.They were fenced off.No the Ingrams did not collect any fragment's.Now Tom used a Gps at every location we visited. The younger Fazio brother pointed out the area and the distance of the debris field to Larry Carr and I. It was about 200ft. The large bundles of money was found below the debris field about half way or center of it's length ( the debris field).Geoger I know you don't like calling and talking to people but i"m sure the Fazio's would enjoy talking to you so why not give them a call. You'll be glad you did. They are aware of this web site and those who visit it. Glad you had a cup of coffee.Jerry
Like the attached?
How far up from river?
What's the date of the week?
Geoger Sound's good Chief. Jerry
Snowmman Tom has no secret Data. His theory at the time was that Cooper landed in the columbia River. He Told Ralph this at a dinner just before he left for Seattle. Geof Gray took the time to interview people on the river. He even took time to talk to a man that claimed to know where cooper spent one of his nites close to vancouver lake. This man first walked up to Larry Carr during the time frame National Geo was filming on frenchmans Bar. And asked Larry to listen to his story. Larry Listen then excused him self. Geof did not. The man continued his conversation with Geof. What was said I do not Know. the conversation was private. However Geof continued to talk to as many people as he could to get Idea's And there theories on this case. Geof also did as much hands on work as he was allowed too.I must say had it not been for Geof. The meeting and dinner with Ralph would not have taken place.Carroll did assist in this matter.For the record all I did was drive down to Ralphs house 60 miles and pick up Ralph and Joyce. and take them to dinner. Geof was also with me he even payed for the fuel.Geof Interviewed everyone he came in contact with, to include my daughter.He went to Washougal and interviewed others that lived on the river.This kid worked his butt off.Jerry
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwlCiCXxeUk
low resolution because I wanted to upload it quick, but I chopped it down to 9 minutes, focusing on Tom stating his theory.
People saying it's Nat Geo, are wrong.
It's Tom stating the theory. For instance look at 6:31 to 7:10
He says "We believe it's possible" at 6:53, and then states the propeller theory.
I don't know if that's the royal "we, or he's speaking for a group of people that he's leading. This could be some sort of terrorist group for all we know.
low resolution because I wanted to upload it quick, but I chopped it down to 9 minutes, focusing on Tom stating his theory.
People saying it's Nat Geo, are wrong.
It's Tom stating the theory. For instance look at 6:31 to 7:10
He says "We believe it's possible" at 6:53, and then states the propeller theory.
I don't know if that's the royal "we, or he's speaking for a group of people that he's leading. This could be some sort of terrorist group for all we know.
georger 268
QuoteGeoger Sound's good Chief. Jerry
Glad this works for you. This gives me a chance to
kick back and decompress.
Ok on cows. So we are looking at an undisturbed
deposit. Had been in place approx one week.
Debris field roughly 200ft x ?? with heavier parcels
below debris field nearer river (as per receding tide/ water?).
Diatom analysis is now resurrected. Cant hurt. Happy?
I guess the question everyone is going to ask is:
If there was all this money and fragments over a 200
ft area why didnt somebody notice enough to call
authoritres and say: 'hey! we've got all kinds of rotten
money here on Tina Bar. Is some bank missing a lot
of money?'
Snowmann thanks for the video. This was not Toms Idea of what happened back in March. I believe this is just his attempt to save face. All he did was embarass his self and prove nothing.Tom if you are monitoring , I am very dissapointed in you. Please excuse yourself from making any public comments. It's not good for your Image. If fame is your quest do it the right way,it will come in time.One last thought.Retrieve your dignity.Jerry
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QuoteSnowmann thanks for the video. This was not Toms Idea of what happened back in March. I believe this is just his attempt to save face. All he did was embarass his self and prove nothing.Tom if you are monitoring , I am very dissapointed in you. Please excuse yourself from making any public comments. It's not good for your Image. If fame is your quest do it the right way,it will come in time.One last thought.Retrieve your dignity.Jerry
I guess there are a lot of interpretations. Mine is that Tom said it very convincingly and so must have believed what he was saying. No one was twisting his arm.
And why the heck did he consent to getting filmed with his telescope or whatever that outdoor gizmo his.
I mean he talks about science being simple and everyone can understand it.
If my kids watched Tom, I'd have to tell them "This is how bullshit talks. Don't be like that."
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QuotePeople saying it's Nat Geo, are wrong.
It's Tom stating the theory. For instance look at 6:31 to 7:10
He says "We believe it's possible" at 6:53, and then states the propeller theory.
Hmmm, I'd say Tom K got PONED by Snow who is never complacent. I had already accepted the story that it was National Geo's theory.
How could Tom be serious? He is always saying he can't discuss stuff because of pending publications, but he has put this out in the public eye so no hiding now.
Tom, come on the forum and explain your propeller snag upriver transport thesis. Defend it.
Was it out of context splicing by the show's production editors?
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Geoger. It was pointed out. However the FBI didn't think that it would produce enough evidence. Remember this time frame is not as it is now. Evidence collected today give's mountains of Info Back then it did not. iF YOU HAD MENTIONED DNA back then they would have thought you escaped from a mental institution.Jerry
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Quote
Was it out of context splicing by the show's production editors?
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(edit) oh I just saw you were talking about the show editors..not me.
sorry.
I fast scrolled thru the video and looked for everything that had tom. I initially had some extra scenes that didn't include tom, but cut them to get it down to 9 minutes. youtube has a 10 minute limit.
I could break the whole video into 5 pieces at higher resolution, editted only to remove commercials, if there is any question that I am misleading anyone.
Anyone who saw the full broadcast, can comment on whether I pulled any trickery.
(sorry for the low resolution. Youtube can do better, I just didn't want to wait for the upload of a bigger high res file)
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Hey, saw the show thanks to Snow who beamed it down to me on a spread spectrum UHF link at blinding speed.
Gotta say that I loved Bruce's moment on the silver screen. Great presence in that bar scene Bruce.
"Captain, we are losing cabin pressure!" Sheesh. Can't they do a tech sanity check before they put the project in final form?
Has anyone been on Main Street near the border between Venice and Santa Monica CA? There is a shop chock full of "science" props for Hollywood movies. It used to be free but now the guy charges admission. Tons of lab glass, high voltage arc stuff, scopes, test gear, meters, gauges, etc.
None of Tom's gear or methods is explained. With that omission, his lab might as well be a version of this prop shop.
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Gotta say that I loved Bruce's moment on the silver screen. Great presence in that bar scene Bruce.
"Captain, we are losing cabin pressure!" Sheesh. Can't they do a tech sanity check before they put the project in final form?
Has anyone been on Main Street near the border between Venice and Santa Monica CA? There is a shop chock full of "science" props for Hollywood movies. It used to be free but now the guy charges admission. Tons of lab glass, high voltage arc stuff, scopes, test gear, meters, gauges, etc.
None of Tom's gear or methods is explained. With that omission, his lab might as well be a version of this prop shop.
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georger 268
QuoteSnowmann thanks for the video. This was not Toms Idea of what happened back in March. I believe this is just his attempt to save face. All he did was embarass his self and prove nothing.Tom if you are monitoring , I am very dissapointed in you. Please excuse yourself from making any public comments. It's not good for your Image. If fame is your quest do it the right way,it will come in time.One last thought.Retrieve your dignity.Jerry
Chief, passions are running high. Suggest softening
this. It cant hurt anything and might help -
Georger
Snowmman Do you realy believe Tom thinks this theory is possible. NOT! I know this man. This was a after thought, otherwise he would have brought it up to others prior to the documentary airing.He does not believe this anymore than we do. He is to intelengent for that. This guy is a genious. However his communication skills may have a small flaw. Make no mistake Tom I am not talking behind your back feel free to call me at any time and discuss these isues. You have my phone number's If your not to ashamed.Jerry
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