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I is sickening to see people walk into the convenience store and by Beer and Wine and junk for their kids - when I and others like me are paying for their Dr.s bills and welfare. A federal sales tax on all items except for food, prescription eyeglasses and medicine is the FAIR way. This way the freeloaders are paying part of their own bills. Yet, Washington is talking about taxing the medical insurance benefits - for those who are doing the right thing by taking out the coverage at work. THAT IS NOT FAIR. Those who carry insurance know their priorities - if it was mandatory all workers have health insurance we would not be in this position we are in now. (if they are employed they have insurance). Their excuse is they would take affordable insurance - but, when they are offered the coverage they turn it down saying they can't afford it, but they can afford Beer and Wine and movies and expensive toys (TV's, cars, large homes). You pay your health insurance and live off of what is left.

I am mad as HELL about all of this "stuff" going on right now...

Why aren't you mad as HELL about Duane the criminal? It cost FAR MORE of my tax money to imprison him numerous times than it did to help the child of an illegal immigrant get basic health care.

By the way Jo, like it or not, a child born in the US is a US citizen regardless of his parents' immigration status. It isn't the kids' fault if their parents are irresponsible.

It doesn't bother me one bit to have my tax money spent to help those kids get food, basic medical care and a public education. We are all immigrants if you look back far enough.

What's worse: an illegal immigrant who works, drinks and buys his kids junk food or a criminal who rips people off and ends up a mega welfare recipient in prison?

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Apr 9, 2008, 12:53 AM Post #1276 of 10119 (1612 views) Registered: Jun 7, 2001Posts: 1584 Re: [skyjack71] DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

SURPRISE I found the letter of resignation Duane wrote in 1980 and a letter he wrote to a friend who was living in WA. The money found by Brian Ingram was found on Feb. 10 1980. Duane's letter to a friend in WA is dated Feb. 24th 1980. In this letter he states that he is resigning from the company and talks about "fading off into the dust". I have mentioned before to the FBI and in the forum that the two things were very close together. This is MORE than co-incident. A man resigns a very good job 2 wks after Brian Ingram finds that money. I wish I knew the date of a special on a program aired about Cooper and the found money. Duane left CO. very quickly after that...remember that he made arrangements so I could not see that program. This is too co-incidental...but I respected my marriage to a very wornderful man - and stored my Cooper things...but, I have them out now and what I remembered was dead on.
What would have happened if Duane just stayed put? Wouldn't he raise more eyebrows by resigning and leaving? What if you had seen the Cooper TV program he was trying to prevent you from seeing? What in the program would have tipped you off that you might be married to Cooper? I know you didn't see it, but you know what the general content would be.

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377 Yes I can.The FBI dusted every 20 bill with a silver sulfate dust. This was comon back then. This is What contaminated all the Bill's .This has been known since 1980's Jerry

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Some think this is circumstantial evidence of pre T Bar storage.

means that what "some think" is ...wrong

Jerry, the silver sulfate was for what, do you know?

http://www.policensw.com/info/fingerprints/finger14.htm

"Some think this is circumstantial evidence of pre
T Bar storage" - is more wishful thinking on the part
of people used to wishful thinking. "Some say" the Cooper money shows evidence of pre T-Bar storage
. . . . . at the SEAFIRST BANK in Seattle!

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"Some say" the Cooper money shows evidence of pre T-Bar storage
. . . . . at the SEAFIRST BANK in Seattle!

Good one Georger!
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SURPRISE I found the letter of resignation Duane wrote in 1980 and a letter he wrote to a friend who was living in WA. The money found by Brian Ingram was found on Feb. 10 1980. Duane's letter to a friend in WA is dated Feb. 24th 1980. In this letter he states that he is resigning from the company and talks about "fading off into the dust". I have mentioned before to the FBI and in the forum that the two things were very close together. This is MORE than co-incident. A man resigns a very good job 2 wks after Brian Ingram finds that money.

Flawed logic. Best thing you can do to avoid standing out is to maintain status quo, not make an inexplicable resignation that has everyone puzzled and wondering "why?"

But then again, if Duane was such a sharp guy how can we explain his huge number of arrests and convictions? The CIA obviously employed him as a prison mole.

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"Some say" the Cooper money shows evidence of pre T-Bar storage
. . . . . at the SEAFIRST BANK in Seattle!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Orange 1. it was used to check for finger prints. Jerry

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Apr 9, 2008, 12:53 AM Post #1276 of 10119 (1612 views) Registered: Jun 7, 2001Posts: 1584 Re: [skyjack71] DB Cooper
SURPRISE I found the letter of resignation Duane wrote in 1980 and a letter he wrote to a friend who was living in WA. The money found by Brian Ingram was found on Feb. 10 1980. Duane's letter to a friend in WA is dated Feb. 24th 1980. In this letter he states that he is resigning from the company and talks about "fading off into the dust". I have mentioned before to the FBI and in the forum that the two things were very close together. This is MORE than co-incident. A man resigns a very good job 2 wks after Brian Ingram finds that money. I wish I knew the date of a special on a program aired about Cooper and the found money. Duane left CO. very quickly after that...remember that he made arrangements so I could not see that program. .

Georger, Remember you asked me the question regarding Weber, but it should be answered:

After that post you quoted above - someone who at one time was very active on this forum and very astute noticed something even stranger. He found the dates of the articles regarding the money find appeared in the newpapers in the Ft. Collins area were one day before Duane penned his Formal resignation memo. This is not the letter to a friend in WA. It was dated the DAY after the article appeared regarding the found money. When the above was written I didn't know that the found money was NOT immediately made public.

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What would have happened if Duane just stayed put? Wouldn't he raise more eyebrows by resigning and leaving? What if you had seen the Cooper TV program he was trying to prevent you from seeing? What in the program would have tipped you off that you might be married to Cooper? I know you didn't see it, but you know what the general content would be.

My opinion is he knew he said too much on the 1979 trip and that it would not take much to trigger my memory of the things he had told me and he really didn't know too much about me at that time (we had only been together for about 2 yrs).

I never got to see that program because as I have told before he made sure we went out with friends who I barely knew on a weekday night. I didn't want to be there - I had wanted to see that program and stated this to the woman as I apologized for not being good company.

1. The program might have touched on fingerprints left on the aftstairs...and I would remember that nightmare he had.

2. His having mentioned "That's were Cooper walked out of the Woods". Even though I thought it a joke.

3. His having made me aware of how well he knew the area - might have caused me to ask him more question about the trip.

4. His 2 unusual disappearances at The Dalles and the other in Seattle.

5. His "short cut" which just happened to be at the back of the airport where the Plane was on the ground and the comments he made that not much had changed and mentioned something about a fence.

6. His giddyingness after his absense in Seattle and our going to Tahoe unexpectantly - I did ask how we could afford it - but he probably told me they gave him a bonus or something like that.

7. I knew little about Cooper - and keeping me ignorant was imperative. He knew I watched little to NO TV due to our work schedule which was always the evening hours.

8. He left for Mobile, Al within 2 wks returning only for my daughters graduation.

9. It was even more omnious when you realize that I never got to read that newpaper. He took it with him.

10. Not just the places he took me on the way to Seattle, but our stops on the Columbia as we were leaving (his ordering - not asking me to stay in the car while he was on the river bank) - his telling me the airport was across the river, but you couldn't see it because of the trees. His throwing that sack in the water just West of the bridge.

11. The last side trip when we went East on the South side of the Columbia for a ways prior to heading to Tahoe...all the way up to where Washougal was. This is when he pointed out the marina at Washougal which he explained I could not see because of the highway - (the one a boat disappeared from and was set loose in front of the airport).

12 His telling about the people he used to know in Washington and Oregon.

13. These are only the things I remembered 17 yrs later - what might I have remembered if I had known more about Cooper in 1980?

14. Would the composite have resembled him and would I notice the resemblance - I don't think any of the above where chances he was willing to take.

15. He could have stayed at his job in the CO area until it made more sense to make a move - such as after Donna graduated in June...he needed to get back to the South where NO one would connect any knowledge of Cooper to him...and to assure himself that I had not done so.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo,

Rather than playing all sorts of dodging games, what if Duane had told you before resigning that he was Cooper. Would you have called the FBI or just have lived with the secret?

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Jo I have checked everythig out Nothing can be documented from the log cabin or the Lacamas lake or the power lines or any thing else . is there anything else you would like for me to check out. Jerry Ps I have checked and re checked all your request. It is Now late and the date is the 8th of June 2009. Soplease let me Know what else you would like me to recheck I have already checked the fire tire and the the pipe lines to include the power lines as you and I both Know my famimily worked on the pipe lines back in the 50's and the 60's this is documented. Jerry

Jerry:
You have NOT received my maps, because I haven't sent them yet - I have to do that by snail mail. I do not believe you will be RE-checking certain areas, because I feel I am not communicating to you on a phone what I am trying to tell you as this is what happened in the past. I don't know the names of the roads and things like that - so you loose me. These maps are the ONLY way you are going to understand what I am trying to tell you - and for you to communicate back to me what you have checked.

You can't read my mind nor can I read yours.

It is obvious that I didn't make my self clear to others what I seeing and what I remembered. I kept trying in the begining to make others understand where I was and what I was seeing - I had only been to WA that one time in 1979 with Duane.

When I went out to Wa in 2001 - I knew that where I was being told we (Duane and I ) might have been was not right...because others on the phone kept telling me I was on the Columbia. If this is where you guys are talking about my story changing you have to look at the circumstances.

Phone conversations with Jerry convinced me I had to have been on the Columbia - no mention was made of Lake LaCames. Since I didn't know we were on a Lake and told it had to be the Columbia (from my description) this created a lot of confusion for me and everyone else. Jerry and others kept insisting it had to be the Columbia and I kept trying to describe what I saw. Until 2001 I believed what I was told by Jerry and others, until I saw the Columbia for the second time in my life. Yes, parts of that trip did involve the Columbia and I kept telling them about the Other place - where we went North out of the Washougal area...the water was wide and quiet.

As soon as the TV crew took me to the Columbia I knew it was ALL wrong. These guys kept riding me around and they never took me anywhere near Lake LaCames. It was extremely frustrating as I was not seeing the things I remembered. Had it not have been for the Angel Udell (unidentified female truckdriver)- I might never have found them.

Even the people who lived in WA that were going to assist me that day had a completely different agenda set-up. But, I asked them to take me to the places this "Angel" told me about and there was "my river" but it wasn't a river it was a lake. Everything fell into place about the things I saw and the things he told me - it was ALL there. (I still break apart when I remember that moment as there are tears and lump in my throat as I just typed this).

What none of you know is that until that day in 2001 - I was ready to give up...because NO one understood what I was trying to say. Not even Jerry.
Be honest Jerry - you never even mentioned Lake LaCames to me or explained that I might have thought it was a river because it was elongated.

I kept trying to make my memories and make what I saw fit the area I was told I had to have been in.

If this is the parts of what you guys are saying changed - then yes, you are right. The only problem was that NO ONE understood what I was TRYING to say and I had only been to WA in 1979 with Duane. I felt these people lived there and if they said I was on the Columbia then I was on the Columbia - it was a giant puzzle and it wasn't making any sense to me. I kept telling everyone it didn't look like the Columbia and that we went away from the Coumbia. I kept telling them is was wide and quiet - and that it had to be a lazy river.

Thank GOD for that truck driver - I never ever got to thank her. I have to go - I am crying very hard right now. The miscommunications created by my not being in Wa or knowing Wa is ALL that has changed. NO ONE - not even Jerry told me that I might be talking about a lake that I was confusing for a river.......

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo,

Rather than playing all sorts of dodging games, what if Duane had told you before resigning that he was Cooper. Would you have called the FBI or just have lived with the secret?

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If I tell you I'll have to kill you - that was the thought that just came to mind.
Me live with that kind of secret - NO WAY and he knew enough about me to know he would end up in prison. He could have just left - disappeared, so I guess that meant he loved me - but maybe he needed to control me - making sure I didn't find out.

My own mind has explored this many times over and I still do not have a good answer.

An Observation here:
Are you guys just being kind? I was under the impression the thread didn't want to discuss Weber and yet today all I have done is answer questions?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo,

Well, the silver turned out to be a non starter. Looks like it was silver nitrate put on the bills by FBI techs looking for prints. When things are slow here I don't mind debating your "Duane Weber was DB Cooper thesis.

I believe you about Duane telling you he was Dan Cooper, his mysterious trip to the suspected jump area, etc etc. It's just that none of the evidence you have presented proves that Duane was anything more than a Cooper wannabe.

Georger, how are you calves doing?

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Jo: Please Give me a break. The letter you have was not writen by Duane, Other wise you would had produced it 13 years ago.Is this another rubber ducky find. Jerry

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Jo Our conversation by phone detailed the map you was going to send, the map you sent 9 years ago was the same that you discribed recently. my point is that all your maps and discriptions from 9 years ago are the same.(memory check is needed) I still can not understand Why you keep adding to your story. But still I will continue to check any area you request. However I caution you that your points and ststements are becoming a we bit wild. Jerry

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Jo,

Well, the silver turned out to be a non starter. Looks like it was silver nitrate put on the bills by FBI techs looking for prints. When things are slow here I don't mind debating your "Duane Weber was DB Cooper thesis.

I believe you about Duane telling you he was Dan Cooper, his mysterious trip to the suspected jump area, etc etc It's just that none of the evidence you have presented proves that Duane was anything more than a Cooper wannabe.

Georger, how are you calves doing?

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Babes and mothers doing well. Thanks
for asking...

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georger: my mistake siver nitrate is the right answer. But I was close.Jerry Ps I tried

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georger: my mistake siver nitrate is the right answer. But I was close.Jerry Ps I tried

No problem whatever. I had your back in any event.

you know (short form) about Catapillar Island in '71
thru 80?
What kinds of people hung out there? People with money? Middle income folks? Mix of people and some
river rats? It seems to be pretty exclusive today but
back in '71 what was it like and who was there?

Channel on the back side about 8-10ft deep on
average or not this deep? Floods annually?

Does the bottom fill up with debris? How do people
keep debris out of the backside channel?

Does the channel self flush with clean bottom?

BTW: for all who dont know Jerry is married to a
very smart lady! Shelly. It was Shelly who came up
with the idea of looking at diatoms trying to nail
down a route for the money, as diatoms tend to very
in species with different locations - Shelly's idea
was a good idea. I credit her for that!

G.

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Jo Our conversation by phone detailed the map you was going to send, the map you sent 9 years ago was the same that you discribed recently. my point is that all your maps and discriptions from 9 years ago are the same.(memory check is needed) I still can not understand Why you keep adding to your story. But still I will continue to check any area you request. However I caution you that your points and ststements are becoming a we bit wild. Jerry

Jerry:
The maps I have are detailed now - thanks to Sluggo and the LaCames map I acquired - never knew who sent it to me, but it shows LaCames as it was in 1979. Until this forum the last time we spoke previously was 2001 after I got back from WA - since I was the one to call you. We actually have not talked to any extent since 2001 until the last few wks.

I have not added to my story - but since there seemed to be some claims that I have changed my story - that was the only part that has changed and due - to mis-communication - me trying to describe something by phone and the perception on the recieving end. It was not just you - there were others that kept telling me I had to have been on the Columbia - no one suggested it could have been a lake and if they did - they certainly didn't explain to me how I could have mistaken a lake for a river.

Until my last day in WA in 2001 I did not know the focus of that one place was a lake...not from you, not from the guide hired by the TV Crew, not from Himmelsbach and even the people who befriended me before that trip. The local "friends" had planned on taking me to the Lewis River, but only because I happen chance to have met the truckdriver Udell did the route get changed. After I found Lake LaCames I didn't need to go to the Lewis. Even the TV crew kept talking the Lewis and I kept telling them it was not the Lewis - that we didn't go far out of Washougal. NO ONE told me about that damn Lake except the truckdriver Udell and for that she is forever my "Angel".

Jerry you told me that the off duty office was no longer worked for that County and had retired - perhaps you need to re-check that. His relative is my Wa. friend.

I am sorry if the truth sounds wild to you or anyone else. I am getting copies made on Thursday and will mail them as soon as possible. When you get the maps we can agree to disagree until then please keep an open mind.

One of the maps is too large for any equipment in this area 2X3 - and I don't know how to "mark" a map on the computer...this map is not even available on any map site I have found - it is a cut and paste map - I created the map from an old Metro Guide (you may have been the one to provide this). I have overlaid in felt color tips the pipeline , tracks and powerlines from the old 1979 map...which I will have to do on the copy - for that size they can only do black and white. Mine was very worn from the yrs of handling the taped pages and the folds and creases.

Thank you and everyone else for hanging in there,
Again I apologize for the posts regarding Weber and I am sorry if the truth as I know it sounds unbelievable,
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Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo: Please Give me a break. The letter you have was not writen by Duane, Other wise you would had produced it 13 years ago.Is this another rubber ducky find. Jerry

In 1997 when the FBI agent interviewed me I presented everything I had to him. Even I didn't see the significance of this memo until it was caught by someone else - in 2008. It was just another one of those ODD co-incidences. It still doesn't mean anything other than a co-incidence. How many co-incidences would it take to convict Cooper today?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo,

None of the Cooper candidates mentioned so far could be convicted on the basis of the ambiguous evidence I have seen. Conviction on the US requires "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". Plenty of reasonable doubt remains about Duane and all the others too.

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Even I didn't see the significance of this memo until it was caught by someone else - in 2008. It was just another one of those ODD co-incidences. It still doesn't mean anything other than a co-incidence. How many co-incidences would it take to convict Cooper today?

It's not even a meaningful coincidence, in my opinion. A friend of mine went to Berlin on holiday in 1989 and arrived there the day before the wall came down. Applying the way you think about Duane, I would have to assume that he played a part in that event. Sometimes coincidences are just that. And here's a tip: if you actually go looking for coincidences, you find plenty. On such bases conspiracy theories multiply.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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A friend of mine went to Berlin on holiday in 1989 and arrived there the day before the wall came down

And since the the FBI has failed to prove that your friend did not cause the wall to be torn down, he almost certainly did cause it. QED.

The fringe edge of the UFO crowd looks for meaningful coincidences and never fails to find them. Every car that had trouble starting prior to an alleged UFO sighting is proof of UFO remote electromagnetic capabilities that exceed anything known to modern science.

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One thing ya gotta like about Jerry, he says he has been searching for years but does not claim to have found anything linked to Cooper. Most hunters of the obscure claim success of some sort.

There is a group that has been searching for evidence that Amerlia Earhart crashed but made it to an island alive. Every scrap of aluminum, every old shoe that they find becomes probable evidence of her survival. Using that logic, Jerry could attribute every 70s vintage candy bar wrapper he finds in the woods to Cooper.

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The fringe edge of the UFO crowd looks for meaningful coincidences and never fails to find them. Every car that had trouble starting prior to an alleged UFO sighting is proof of UFO remote electromagnetic capabilities that exceed anything known to modern science.

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aw gee i just took my car in today cos the computer was giving me warnings for things that weren't actually wrong... now i know i just needed to wait for the UFOs to pass on...

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Even I didn't see the significance of this memo until it was caught by someone else - in 2008. It was just another one of those ODD co-incidences. It still doesn't mean anything other than a co-incidence. How many co-incidences would it take to convict Cooper today?

It's not even a meaningful coincidence, in my opinion. A friend of mine went to Berlin on holiday in 1989 and arrived there the day before the wall came down. Applying the way you think about Duane, I would have to assume that he played a part in that event. Sometimes coincidences are just that. And here's a tip: if you actually go looking for coincidences, you find plenty. On such bases conspiracy theories multiply.

Jo's tactics are completely INCOMPATABLE with truth or
truth-telling. Jo continues to HARRASS PEOPLE withher
UNSOLICITED-UNWANTED PMS AND EMAIL - and she
is now at risk for having her isp contacted and SHUT DOWN! People are literally fed up with her tactics and
harrassment and if she has a brain in her head SHE WILL STOP AND STOP NOW! Her isp is aware of the problem and they will act to shut her down if she does not stop.

I doubt Jo will take this seriously so there is every chance Jo is about to VANISH at this forum and off
the internet!

Jo's whole story is a fabric of coincidence "she claims"
supports her case. Her story has expanded faster than
the universe itself can expand!

Nuff said.

Georger