DB Cooper

[Sluggo_Monster 0]

All,
I promised I wouldn’t post again until the “Jerry Springer” episode ended. It hasn’t… but it appears to be winding down, so here goes:

Jo,

Believe me, what follows is done in the most respectful and compassionate manner that I can muster. I spent too much time with you to just write you off… but I have just about reached the “end of my rope.”

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Enough said.

Yes, Jo, I agree… enough said.

By now we all know that you are very disappointed with the FBI and how they handled NORJAK. We all know that you are particularly disappointed in the lack of response to your “evidence” presented to them that Weber was Cooper. We all know that you feel “picked-on”, over-scrutinized, misinterpreted, unfairly treated and ignored by the posters on this thread. We all know how you felt (and still feel) about Duane, your husband of 17 years, and how you think he was a “good-hearted” man. We all know how bitter you are about how some of the FBI agents have treated you. We all know that you think the FBI’s evidence and records are in shambles (and some of us agree with you). We all know that your health is failing, and you feel a sense of urgency. And, we all know that you don’t listen to a God-damned thing anyone tries to tell you!

So, enough said.

Please stop posting the same things over and over. Posting the same things over and over is just like dancing with a pig… It gets you all dirty and annoys the pig.

I think you don’t have the slightest idea what the daily life of an FBI agent is like. I think you have a TV/Movie image of how the agency works. Now… I’m no expert on the FBI, but I have worked for a considerable number of “government agencies” in my professional life.

What you need to understand is that all the FBI staff members that you have dealt with have bosses, budgets, individual performance goals, audits, assessments, priorities, personal training and development plans, procedures, policies, and public relations issues to consider before they take any action. These factors are really not very conducive to assuming the role of “personal private investigator” for a Florida widow who doesn’t express herself very well and is extremely demanding of their time and effort, insisting that her deceased husband was DB Cooper and not accepting “I don’t think so” for an answer.

You also need to understand the plain, unabashed, truth… You presented your case poorly. If you had done things differently, you might have gotten (but not necessarily) different results.

So, I would like to suggest that you put “Duane was Cooper” aside and join the rest of us (many who are at least as frustrated as you) in trying to make some sense of NORJAK. You have talked and corresponded with many of the principals. You have a considerable volume of past articles that may be very difficult for some of us to obtain. You have in your possession some interesting data about the case and its investigative history.

So, why not put your strengths out there instead of your weaknesses? Start a new day, get a fresh start, and build some good-will. And, someday… maybe the case can be advanced… and someday maybe there will be a solution… and maybe you’ll be a part of the solution… and who knows… maybe someday, someone who is unbiased (against you) will discover that Duane did have a connection to NORJAK. But, it won’t happen if you just keep doing what you are doing.

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Bruce: Mc Coy and I only talked 2 times after Nam. Like most people contact was lost because of different interest and geting involved in relayionships /and moving on with life. Jerry

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Greenlight: Good coment , It,s kind of like, give it to Mikey He, eat anything . Jerry

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nigel99: Yes this story has been around for awhile. It was investgated and alot of time and research went in to it. However his where abouts at the time of the Hyjacking was found to be Not on the aircraft.There has been so many false claims by many different people who have claimed to be Cooper and by family members looking for a claim to fame. Unfortionatly all have been elimnated. Jerry

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Slugo: Well Stated. Jerry

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I believe that the FBI was provided with a confidential copy - at least I was told they would be provided with it. Doubt they even looked at it.

Jo,

So you are saying you dont know for sure that the FBI ever was given a video of the night clerk's story?

The FBI rarely agrees to keep anything confidential. You can mark something "CONFIDENTIAL" but that does not obligate the recipient to honor your designation if there is no other agreement in which they contractually agreed to do so.

You don't have to identify the night clerk visually. Just post the audio and let us hear it. That won't subject him to any kind of harrassment because nobody will know who he is or where to contact him. You can delete his name if he speaks it.

You always claim to have relevant Cooper evidence but then can't disclose it for various reasons. I don't think you are a liar, but I do think you manage evidence and do selective disclosure. It hugely detracts from your credibility, yet you continue. You need to accept at least some responsibility for how you are treated here. If you act differently, you will be treated differently. Sluggo tried to make that point in color and boldface but I think it was a wasted effort unfortunately.

You don't deserve all the mistreatment you get here but you have brought some of it on by your own actions. Internet forums can be rude, harsh and uncaring. They bring out the Pit Bull in some people as you have experienced.

Hang in there Jo. Not everybody here is your enemy.
This forum is as much about entertainment as it is about crime solving. Relax and enjoy the show.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 268]

That event has been a source of endless grief and anguish for her because she took it as the truth then and still believes it to this day.

377

[georger 268]

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http://www.ibdna.com/regions/UK/EN/?page=TheCSIEffect

interesting - thanks.

[georger 268]

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statement by Ckret - Agent Carr

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I have already posted that I cannot find a registration with John Collins name on it. For the sake of argument let’s say that there was a registration with the name John Collins on it and the clerk says that John Collins looks like the picture of Duane Weber and he believes Duane Weber looks like Cooper. OK, now what? That would be great info to confront Weber with but that is not a possibility.


(This post was edited by Ckret on Dec 6, 2008, 10:56 AM)

Georger there is NO need to hash that one out again but, I will reply as I probably did in the past. Carr says that "he" hasn't been able to find the registration...yet, he NEVER made an attempt to interview that clerk but, he had knowledge of this "witness" since 2001...and his contact information. Note that Carr's orginal posts regarding not being able to find the registration were prior to the Night Clerk walking into the FBI office in Portland around Oct. of 2008.

Carr also indicated that he could find "NO hotel registrations" and you know the obvious argument for that as all of the hotels were checked and I am sure there are reports on these interviews SOME place in the FILES which seem to be in pure chaos.

Even after the Night Clerk went to the FBI office in 2008, all Carr did was make a couple of phone calls. He judged this man's credibility on a phone call. I hope now he has seen the video made of an unbiased interview of this witness. He was shown several photos and his reactions to one specific photo was ODD. Because of the yrs from 2001 and 2009 (when the video was made) - I feel the man has been exposed to the media and that now any statement he makes will be ignored because of that. Yet, the FBI had a chance to do this in 2001 before his memory could be tainted by exposure to things that have been in the media since that time.

Enough said.

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That event has been a source of endless grief and anguish for her because she took it as the truth then and still believes it to this day.

377

Georger replies: other people say it didnt happen that
way, so who is to be believed?

There is no physical evidence at all, actual evidence
to the contrary, stories from others which contradict
Jo's (accounts plural). By any account those are not good odds.

You could be right Georger, but I'll give Jo the benefit of the doubt. She may have misheard, but I don't think she is fabricating the incident or what she believes she heard. I have nothing to back up my position, just my sense about people and their motives. Call it a hunch if you wish.

My beef with Jo has her as an honest person who carefully manages evidence and engages in selective disclosure. I don't think she is cynical about it. She believes she needs to act the way she acts to preserve confidences and to be sure her story is told her way. That approach is counterproductive and aggravating.

Sluggo, far more elegantly and infinitely more tolerant than I could do it, has pleaded with Jo to try a new collaborative approach by dropping or at least ceasing to repeat her often stated solution to the Cooper mystery and her endless gripes about the FBI.

It's never to late to change. Will Jo do it? I don't think so, but there is always hope. Even if she doesn't change, I will welcome her here and gladly engage in cordial dialogue. She is older, a widow and I think sincere, even if wrong about Duane. Sounds like someone who deserves some kindness mixed in with the critical dialogue and that's how I try to treat her.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[JerryThomas 0]

Geoger the Odds are high. Jerry

[georger 268]

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I believe that the FBI was provided with a confidential copy - at least I was told they would be provided with it. Doubt they even looked at it.

Jo,

So you are saying you dont know for sure that the FBI ever was given a video of the night clerk's story?

The FBI rarely agrees to keep anything confidential. You can mark something "CONFIDENTIAL" but that does not obligate the recipient to honor your designation if there is no other agreement in which they contractually agreed to do so.

You don't have to identify the night clerk visually. Just post the audio and let us hear it. That won't subject him to any kind of harrassment because nobody will know who he is or where to contact him. You can delete his name if he speaks it.

You always claim to have relevant Cooper evidence but then can't disclose it for various reasons. I don't think you are a liar, but I do think you manage evidence and do selective disclosure. It hugely detracts from your credibility, yet you continue. You need to accept at least some responsibility for how you are treated here. If you act differently, you will be treated differently. Sluggo tried to make that point in color and boldface but I think it was a wasted effort unfortunately.

You don't deserve all the mistreatment you get here but you have brought some of it on by your own actions. Internet forums can be rude, harsh and uncaring. They bring out the Pit Bull in some people as you have experienced.

Hang in there Jo. Not everybody here is your enemy.
This forum is as much about entertainment as it is about crime solving. Relax and enjoy the show.

377

More Jerry Springer.

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So, I would like to suggest that you put “Duane was Cooper” aside and join the rest of us (many who are at least as frustrated as you) in trying to make some sense of NORJAK. You have talked and corresponded with many of the principals. You have a considerable volume of past articles that may be very difficult for some of us to obtain. You have in your possession some interesting data about the case and its investigative history.

So, why not put your strengths out there instead of your weaknesses? Start a new day, get a fresh start, and build some good-will. And, someday… maybe the case can be advanced… and someday maybe there will be a solution… and maybe you’ll be a part of the solution… and who knows… maybe someday, someone who is unbiased (against you) will discover that Duane did have a connection to NORJAK. But, it won’t happen if you just keep doing what you are doing.

Read back and look at how many times I have tried to do that but a couple of posters bash me just for posting - a generic post. I know I have information that is no longer available to anyone - some or most of it acquired in my own personal search and more that will be coming in the very near future. There is a long forgotten person who did some things yrs ago and whose files are rather vast on another suspect who got lost in the shuffle.

I have something I need some help on.

Question:

How does one check old old credit card number with now a defunct companies or banks? I have the numbers and names of banks but - don't know where to go from this point. The banks are Signet Bk. VA and Crestar (visa) also of Va.

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With all of your enterprise and contacts, what if
by chance you turtned up some solid lead to someone who was Cooper, but was not Duane?

What would you do? Would you reveal it is or
quash it in order to continue to promote Duane?

Of course it would be made available to the public, but NOT the FBI, because I will NEVER trust them again. Face it Georger - if I stumble into evidence - It probably would be connected to someone Duane knew, but that is logical. I have several suspects - individuals Duane knew in his past who were military and with the right backgrounds...3 are still alive and one I would be afraid of. I did provide these names in the past to the FBI and they didn't do anything - 2 are very strong suspects and one is an ex-con...with ALL of the correct back ground and but I think he may have been under 6 foot. If the FBI was interested they could check his criminal records to see if he meets the description criterior - I only met this man ONE time.

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So you are saying you dont know for sure that the FBI ever was given a video of the night clerk's story?

No, I do not know if it was given to the FBI or not. It was talked about, but since I don't own the video - I haven't asked.

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You don't have to identify the night clerk visually. Just post the audio and let us hear it.

Without the video portion I can't see it being relevant and it is about Weber, but there was a picture of another person in the group that raised an ODD comment from the Night Clerk. As I said before I think too much time lapsed between his contacting me and the video being made (seven yrs)- that now his testimony could be tainted by what he has read and seen in the media. I am not a trained investigator and I caught a couple of things that indicated this.

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You always claim to have relevant Cooper evidence but then can't disclose it for various reasons. I don't think you are a liar, but I do think you manage evidence and do selective disclosure.

Yes, I try not to mention names or say or do things that will get me sued. I am not rich, but I am comfortable and do not want to spend my time or my security in a court room. Most, but not all of the individuals from Duane's past - are on the "shady" side and always looking for the buck.

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[JerryThomas 0]

Jo please be nice and thank you for finally admiting that duane was only a suspect. How ever I will check the areas you requested tomorrow. The area we discused is now Highly populated. This is good because of the fact that the owners of the property have searched it.so have I but I will check it again.I'm about 16 miles north of the area right now . My lap top batery is staying fully charged because Shelly made me take the charger with me.Any way realy enjoying being back in the woods.Thank God I have a good signal.Right now I'm close to three corner rock. I drove to this point so I could make this post. And others. Jerry

[Orange1 0]

mishearing..

think frustration of someone who has spent years chasing after cooper never to find him..

"Uh -- damn Cooper!"

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[JerryThomas 0]

Orange 1: yea maybe your right still it is fun for me and I enjoy the action and the change of locations. however the chance that I may find something someday is beter than a SEX CAKE that is cooked in a kitchen. Jerry

[Orange1 0]

wasn't aimed at you Jerry!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[JerryThomas 0]

Orange1: I understand, I'm still having fun. Jerry

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dancing with a pig… It gets you all dirty and annoys the pig.

we have a somewhat different version of the saying here... "don't wrestle with pigs. you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it".

I think it is also rather apt ... perhaps not quite in the context you quoted your saying, though.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Sluggo_Monster 0]

Jo,

Your reply to me and the next two posts exemplify my statements about why you have no credence and/or respect. I suggested that you quit looking back and move forward with an attitude of cooporation with all the principal parties (here).

Reply to me: Post begins with; “Read back….” So you are saying; “Let’s don’t look forward and try to work together, I’d rather tell everyone for the umpteenth time that you are being abused in this forum.”

Second post: Post begins with; “Of course it would be made available to the public, but NOT the FBI, because I will NEVER trust them again.” Well….. that is certainly going to make them willing to help you. So, rather that get help from someone you don’t trust or respect, you would spend your energy telling everyone for the umpteenth time that you don’t respect or trust the FBI.

Third post: You say; “I am not rich, but I am comfortable and do not want to spend my time or my security in a court room. Most, but not all of the individuals from Duane's past - are on the "shady" side and always looking for the buck.” Once again, when asked why you haven’t taken an action, you, for the umpteenth time say that finances and fear of the “Boogie-Man” make you not willing to risk time, effort, or money to resolve an issue.

[sarcasm] So you have convinced me… I was wrong… let me restate my post of a week or so ago…

If you keep doing what you are doing… You’ll start getting something different!

There!

Now I’m going to try the Jo Weber method:

I hate 377!

Not convinced? Well, listen to this argument… I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377!
I hate 377! I hate 377!

Still not convinced, here is some evidence… I hate 377! … I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377!

Not convinced yet, here is a different intellectual approach… … I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377! I hate 377!

So, you don’t believe me.. huh? Well you are just picking on me and tear apart everything I say. Your inability to understand (what I KNOW) is all YOUR fault. [/sarcasm]

Move on Jo… Your wasting time (yours and ours)!

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[Orange1 0]

Reminds me of that old definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(attributed to a variety of people including Benjamin Franklin and Albert Einstein)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[skyjack71 0]

1.The below was an answer to a post made by Georger about sharing information on a suspect:

“Of course it would be made available to the public, but NOT the FBI, because I will NEVER trust them again.”


2. The next post was in answer to a question asked of me and my expanation about WHY I will not reveal certain things. Are you willing to take the financial reponsibliities when i am sued Sluggo?

“I am not rich, but I am comfortable and do not want to spend my time or my security in a court room. Most, but not all of the individuals from Duane's past - are on the "shady" side and always looking for the buck.”


3. Did you just expect me NOT to answer a post - am I not suppose to answer a question - am I suppose to ignore it? That is what I meant by read back.

NOTE:
I did ask for help on something I am doing - where I need to find out charges made on long ago credit cards - and how to go about that since the companies no longer exist. I did not mention why I needed that assistance.

That was a request of generic assistance.

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Reminds me of that old definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(attributed to a variety of people including Benjamin Franklin and Albert Einstein)

Imagine a mental health professional looking on
_ for months!

Wasnt it Sluggo who said: "You never know who is
looking on here"?

We could all speak in tongues and try to guess
what the other is saying.

As 377 says and wants: ITS ALL ENTErTAINnMENMTt!

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