DB Cooper

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Did you ever experience the presure chamber. When I was stationed at FT Greely Ak. They took us to Fairbanks Ak. And put us in the presure chamber. They set the altitude at 28,000ft 40,000 ft was the max. but at that altitude you would have to have a oxgen mask. Any way we played cards and talked. At 26,000ft I started seeing the purple murphs. This was realy a good experience. At least I thought it was at the time.But the highest I ever jumped was 20,000ft with out oxygen. Jerry

Never did the chamber ride although I had planned to a couple of times.

For big-ways above 12,500 msl, we pretty much always have oxygen cannulas piping in AV O2 for the ride up, but obviously we could never jump with those still attached, so those are taken removed just before the jump while on jumprun.

The reason I wanted to do the chamber ride was there are outfits that do jumps from 30,000 feet and for those you actually do use a bail out O2 system. Costs quite a bit and you have to schedule those and fit them into calendars and it just never worked out for me.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Paul, my hat is off to you.As i said earlier the highest I've jumped was 12,000 ft . With one exception.Anyway that was military. I never paid to jump. By the way do you Know a man by the name of Rick Drapper He's a good friend of mine. Just curious. Jerry

Altitude itself I don't see as being a big deal until you're above that range where you can pre-breathe some O2 and just jump. I'd say 24,000 is about the limit people would really wanna do that and exert themselves for any length of time. Although some people have issues even at 12,500, mostly smokers.

Never knew a Rick Drapper. The drop zone I mostly jump at is Perris near March AFB and we get a metric shit ton of folks that drop by. If he did in the last 11 or so years I may have seen him, but honestly it's a needle in a haystack when you have 100 other jumpers milling around.

I knew just about all of the Perris regulars while I was jumping and if my Facebook friends list is any indication, a crap load more around the world, but I haven't been active for almost a 9 months now.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Hope no-one minds this train of thought. But given the conspiratists out there I do think these provide useful context

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In my world, Orange, as a general rule of thumb there are two kinds of conspiratorialists: first are the crazy wackos that won't let you get a word in edgewise; and two, guys like me who keep a sense of humor about ourselves and what we're talking about.

(smile)

Further, I do agree that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Let me ask all of you reading this. Have you ever been lied to by a cop?

Once you have, you don't look at the world in quite the same way ever after.

Frankly, Orange, your postings left me cold. They didn't speak a word to my personal expericence of the world and why I have the perspective I do. In fact, it was a tad confrontational because the tone of the writing conveyed to me a sense that folks who believe in "expansive theories" - my preferred term over "conspiracy theories" - are fundamentally crazy. I find that distasteful.

As a journalist, people lie to me on a daily basis. Often, I wonder why, and sometimes there is no discerable reason for the deception until one starts digging. That might be the reinforcement that keeps my vision on an "expansive" horizion.

Perhaps my persective can best be summed by saying: I'm curious to see just how far absolute power will corrupt absolutely.

As for Occam's Razor, I certainly have a fondness for the theory. But to be locked into looking for simplicity in all things at all times can be its own trap.

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The reason I wanted to do the chamber ride was there are outfits that do jumps from 30,000 feet and for those you actually do use a bail out O2 system. Costs quite a bit and you have to schedule those and fit them into calendars and it just never worked out for me.

I was pondering that 30K HALO course/jump at WFFC but a physician with a lot of USAF experience talked me out of it. He said a lot can go wrong with the gear and the consequences at 30K are a lot more serious than 24K. He wouldn't trust anyone outside of the military to do it right every single time.

I saved a lot of money and made several of the FAR FAR cheaper 24K jumps. Turned out that one of the 30K HALO students somehow got hypoxic and passed out on the ride up. His condition went unnoticed due to the mask, helmet, etc. Don't know if it is true but it was rumored that the unconscious jumper somehow got completely disconnected from the O2 due to a valve error and nobody noticed until he didn't respond on jump run.

The guys who made a Connie HALO jump at Taft many years ago recounted getting punchy and some even passed out. I think they exited slightly above 20K with no O2 on the way up. A guy who passed out in the aisle was tossed out of the door by hypoxic jumpers whose judgment was impaired. Fortunately the tossed guy revived in freefall and landed safely.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Paul When your in the chamber and it registers 30,000ft you have hulizinations. At least I did It is kind of funny your thought patern changes as well as your reasoning patern.Then every thing you think or say is funny. You feel like you are on laughing gas. It is realy strange what the lack of oxigen does to your brain. Still it is a experince, You will never forget

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Let me ask all of you reading this. Have you ever been lied to by a cop?

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Only about 100 times even when they are testifying under oath.

How many defendants really had the gun and/or the dope in plain sight as the cops nearly always testify regarding warrantless searches?

I can see how they rationalize it. They catch a bad guy and they are not going to have the firearm or drug evidence suppressed on some damned technicality about needing a search warrant. If I were a cop I might adopt that attitude myself.

So Bruce. What lie did a cop tell you and why did it affect your outlook so profoundly and permanently?

I love conspiracy theories. They fascinate me. Area 51, alien autopsies and kidnappings, Aurora, Chemtrails, Roswell, crop circles... bring em on.

I like them as entertainment and for the insight they give on human behavior when confronted by mysteries. I don't believe they are accurate accounts of fact.

Maybe my skepticism blinds me to real conspiracies. I think there was only one JFK assassin and that the Roswell crash was really a Project Mogul balloon. Call me ignorant or gullible, but I get a pretty good shave using Occam's Razor. I see no reason to use anything else.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Let me ask all of you reading this. Have you ever been lied to by a cop?

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Only about 100 times even when they are testifying under oath.

How many defendants really had the gun and/or the dope in plain sight as the cops nearly always testify regarding warrantless searches?

I can see how they rationalize it. They catch a bad guy and they are not going to have the firearm or drug evidence suppressed on some damned technicality about needing a search warrant. If I were a cop I might adopt that attitude myself.

So Bruce. What lie did a cop tell you and why did it affect your outlook so profoundly and permanently?

I love conspiracy theories. They fascinate me. Area 51, alien autopsies and kidnappings, Aurora, Chemtrails, Roswell, crop circles... bring em on.

I like them as entertainment and for the insight they give on human behavior when confronted by mysteries. I don't believe they are accurate accounts of fact.

Maybe my skepticism blinds me to real conspiracies. I think there was only one JFK assassin and that the Roswell crash was really a Project Mogul balloon. Call me ignorant or gullible, but I get a pretty good shave using Occam's Razor. I see no reason to use anything else.

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There is something called the Skeptics Society. (based in Arizona?) They used to investigate
ufo sightings etc.

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Paul When your in the chamber and it registers 30,000ft you have hulizinations. At least I did It is kind of funny your thought patern changes as well as your reasoning patern.Then every thing you think or say is funny. You feel like you are on laughing gas. It is realy strange what the lack of oxigen does to your brain. Still it is a experince, You will never forget

Oxygen deprivation affects every cell in the body -
throws the whole body chemistry off. Liver cells,
kidney cells, pancreas, muscle cells have no Oxy
to burn, brain chemistry goes haywire, vascular
system starts to contract, heart and lung rate
drops .... and afterwards you piss amonia!

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Georger that is fact not fiction.You are totaly corect.

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Frankly, Orange, your postings left me cold. They didn't speak a word to my personal expericence of the world and why I have the perspective I do.

That's fine, Bruce. The posts were not aimed "only" at you, and no generalisation ever fits everyone. It was interesting to me because it helped explain someone else i was puzzled over, and because it may fit at least one other person here.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Paul my last jump was 2 wks ago in Kennewick Wa. and at 58yrs old that will be my last. Still I Injoyed it always the same rush. But I'm just getting old. And that is the one thing I have to give up Very reluctenily . Still with age there are things you have to give up. Jerry

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Paul my last jump was 2 wks ago in Kennewick Wa. and at 58yrs old that will be my last. Still I Injoyed it always the same rush. But I'm just getting old. And that is the one thing I have to give up Very reluctenily . Still with age there are things you have to give up. Jerry

Don't quit jumping Jerry. You've got another 15 years minimum with a big square and light winds. At 58 you are young in the old jumper circles. I did some RW jumps with a 76 year old who more than held his own.

Reconsider.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

Jerry, look up JOES

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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I am only here to post a pic. This pic is an enlarged copy of a penciled note. I would like for you and others to be as unbiased and as open-minded as possible.

This note is carefully hand printed.

Compare the carefully printed note to the scribbled written notes done under duress in the cockpit of the plane by Florence Shaffner in the FOIA papers.

I am not asserting anything here - I am looking for honest opinions.
I found it very difficult to compare a carefully printed note to the scribbled writing of a terrified stewardess.

We do not have access to any handwriting done by Tina Mucklow.

What I could see is a T joining an E, which might be a very common thing from the era. This is ONLY a small sample of what the book holds. The S's are similar, but how many ways does one form an S?

I am going to copy the back of the book enlarging the stained area as much as I can.

Thank you for your tolerance and help.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Attached photo - stained lower portion of back cover of book.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Attached photo - stained lower portion of back cover of book.

I will answer both here. I dont see any similarity in the hand writings - see attached.

As for the book, I dont see anything stuck to the
surface of the book. What I do see is the book was
in contact with a hard smooth surface, got wet, and
sometime later the book was lifted and this raised
the surface texture of the book in areas which were
in contact with the surface the book was sitting on.

A surface photo of the area in question is attached -

As for these cockpit notes, all are signed by
somebody ... signature photo attached.

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Each and every page I viewed had those initials on them but the notes were supposedly written by Florence as I understood it. No one on the plane had those iniitials so those are insignificant. I am looking for any of the note written by Florence...I thought most of the demands about knapsack and etc where written by her. I need the notes she took and not something another person of the ground was writing or transcribing. I found the FIOA pages confusing in this respect.
I need to rule out the handwriting as not being Tina's or Florence's and I am not looking for any notes accept those written by one of those 2. Why I asked for help because the information you stated is what I was looking at - it was CONFUSING. There are other notes that do have the common elements, but - a neatly printed letter compared to a scribbled terrified scrawl is almost impossible.

I do not know who the books belonged to or who the handwriting belongs to. I was told a journalist or media person mentioned something about one of the relatives of one of the passengers coming forth about some books, but could never get verification of such a statement. The source was in the media, but I can't tie it down nor could others.

I do not have a twenty from the 60's but I was looking at the brighter areas matching the light areas of new 20's. Your opinion which is far more reliable than my untrained eye. I saw no impressions that resembled a bill other than the size of the stain and the white areas. No specif impressions showed up in the large file which I put at full magnification and screen size.

regardless of what anyone might claim.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Each and every page I viewed had those initials on them but the notes were supposedly written by Florence as I understood it. No one on the plane had those iniitials so those are insignificant. I am looking for any of the note written by Florence...I thought most of the demands about knapsack and etc where written by her. I need the notes she took and not something another person of the ground was writing or transcribing. I found the FIOA pages confusing in this respect.
I need to rule out the handwriting as not being Tina's or Florence's and I am not looking for any notes accept those written by one of those 2. Why I asked for help because the information you stated is what I was looking at - it was CONFUSING. There are other notes that do have the common elements, but - a neatly printed letter compared to a scribbled terrified scrawl is almost impossible.

I do not know who the books belonged to or who the handwriting belongs to. I was told a journalist or media person mentioned something about one of the relatives of one of the passengers coming forth about some books, but could never get verification of such a statement. The source was in the media, but I can't tie it down nor could others.

I do not have a twenty from the 60's but I was looking at the brighter areas matching the light areas of new 20's. Your opinion which is far more reliable than my untrained eye. I saw no impressions that resembled a bill other than the size of the stain and the white areas. No specif impressions showed up in the large file which I put at full magnification and screen size.

regardless of what anyone might claim.

Jo I dont see these wear areas or impressions, as
related to paper money. For one thing the area is
not consistent with the dimensions of a single bill
roughly 3.5x6.5 inches, there is no evidence of
pigment from green ink, and there are no cotton
fibres. Fragments of paper money are hairy and
the paper in paper money does not separate easily -
it is almost a woven fabric. In addition the wear areas
show definite channels of wear with valleys in between
each area - this is not consistent with the cover being
in contact with a soft pliable surface but with a hard
smooth even surface. I just dont see any evidence of
money in these impressions ...

[edit] Here are a few more scans which show surface
texture on the cover. As you can see most of the
foreign material is below or within the surface texture of the cover as opposed to something above it.

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I did not put stock in that stain being a money impression, but it was the right size and what would be the odds there would have been a bill stuck to an old book.

I need to resolve 2 things I have spoke about before and then I have to leave it in the hands of others. I have searched and searched - for 13 yrs a got NO where with these two photos.

1. The MOST IMPORTANT:
The picture of the blue eyed diabetic in Denver Colorado or one of its suburbs. The yr I met him was 1978 and he was working for a company called American Income.

The manager of the company in that area - claimed he didn't remember him (this was yrs ago and that he had no records back that far). I know this man was still with American Income in 1980, but he had transferred to another area. The picture I am posting again. Ed Huran, Horan, Hurand, Horand. Do not know whatthe Ed stood for . This man's history will put Duane in WA and in association with chutes. The only person I met from Duane's past that talked about WA and Duane and himself in the same breath.

If I can trace Ed Huran's past I will know what the WA connection was. He mentioned repairing planes or helicopters in the 40's and this was in OR, WA, ID. He knew Duane from that - they had known each other from way back. Duane treated him like a bother or father. When the man didn't want me to take picture of him - Duane spoke to him and assuring him it was for our use only. He then posed for this one picture. This was a company function and I cannot remember where it was held...AL MS AK - I believe it was in one of those places. I have other pictures I took of other individuals who worked for the company, but I can't post those.
Please Help.

2. The Impossible
The other is the mysterious Salt Lake City Photo. No name, but he worked in a building to the South of the Assembly Hall - Business Adm and visitors centre (demolished in 1980) and his name was on the roster in 1979.

I have tried and tried to get access to the SLC - roster - but the church and the historians are young and do not understand what I am asking for. I have been told they wouldn't give me the names on the roster if they had them.
Please Help.

These are the 2 pieces of information - that will help me to put this down. I will pay someone to help me get this information. I had no luck with a PI I hired. I didn't want to tell the PI why I needed this information. Now you guys know and if you know someone who can get it please put them in contact with me at Homes4ubyjo@aol.com.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Ed Huran, Horan, Hurand, Horand. Do not know whatthe Ed stood for . This man's history will put Duane in WA and in association with chutes.

Jo,

I dont doubt that Duane had some association with Washington and had an aircraft mechanic as a friend, but none of that links Duane with parachutes. Parachuting is a TINY subset of aviation. What makes you sure that Horan can link Duane to parachuting?

Put Duane in a chute or even an active jumpship/dropship prior to NORJACK and I will pay rapt attention. So far it is 100% speculation based on the evidence you have put forward.

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Jerry,

Have you reconsidered your retirement from jumping? Hope Orange and I can convince you to stay in the game.

If you are ever down in the SF Bay Area I'll treat you to some wind tunnel time. Have you ever flown in a tunnel? If you close your eyes you'll swear you are in freefall from a plane.

I think the military has a huge one at one of the Airborne training bases. Benning?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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With apologies for those that hate logic or logic based arguments, I have put together a few.

If Palmer never found the 74 layer, or if the report was wrong, or Palmer was wrong, then for the sake of argument I will call it Palmer was wrong.

The subscripts and arrows did not transfer over; that makes it a bit harder to follow, my apologies. Any place where you see 8594 is an arrow to the right. I can upload a word doc if its possible. PM me if it is.

There are potentially 9 solutions, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z If you do not believe in strata or Palmer, then exclude those portions from the equation.

Here we go. This will give at least one of you a lot to chew on. Please PM flaws that you might find. I was flying on a 377 when I decided to dedicate this post to 377.

Symbol Key:
Cooper Died = CD
Cooper Lost Money = C$
Cooper Lived (& did not lose money) = CL
Palmer was wrong = PW
Condition 72 = J72
Clocks Slow ≈ 3 min = CS3
Clocks Slow more than 3 min = CS3+
Dislodging Event = DE
Dredge layer was pre 1971 = P71
Dredge layer was 1974 = L74
1974 Layer Eroded = L74E
Pre 1971 Layer Eroded = P71E
Spent all the money = SA
Dumped Money = DM
Stored Money = SM
A logical reason to = R
Tributary Area = T
Money Traveled Naturally = MN
Money Landed in the Columbia = MC
Money Landed in a Tributary = MT
Money is quickly covered/locked in place = QC
Quick Covering Eroded = QCE
All deposit above QC did erode = EE
Flight Path Off by 12 miles = PO12
Major Flight Correction = MFC
PDX/FAA Radar Correct = RC
Flight control unaware = FCU
FAA unaware = FAU
Captains unaware = CPTU
Captains forgot = CPTF
Flight Path West of PDX = FPWST
Flight Path East of PDX = FPEST
Someone Found the Money = SF
Passes Time = PT
Returns/Comes back = CBCK

Condition 72 means the money arrives at Tina Bar within 3 months of the crime. The rubber band analysis suggests the rubber would have disintegrated if they would have been in the elements longer than 3 months. Condition 72 specifically speaks to the found money arriving at Tina Bar by January or February 1972 (0-3 months).

Money Traveled Naturally refers to no human intervention as the money travels to its destination.

The easiest way to understand the chain is to demonstrate it in chunks and then break down those chunks in greater detail.

We’ll begin with Condition 72 since this is a recent hypothesis put forward by some on this board. The hypothesis is that the money traveled to Tina Bar in less than 3 months. If this was to happen, then the money had to be quickly covered with sand locking it in place. As accumulation built up, the money would be buried deeper and deeper. In 1974, a dredge layer was dropped on top of it. After 1974, this layer eroded and any other accumulation between the years 1972 to 1974 prior to the dredge also were eroded leaving the money just under a small amount of sand, barely covered so that when boy Ingram smoothes out the sand, the money stacks are revealed.

Here’s how this looks logically:
J72 → [QC & -QCE & EE] → P71 & -L74 → L74E & -P71E → PW

Effectively this states, if you have condition 72, then it means the money was [quickly covered and that layer did not erode and all deposits above that layer did erode]. If all that happened, then it means the layer that Palmer found was a pre 1971 dredge layer and not actually from 1974. If that was the case, then it means the 1974 layer did erode and the pre 1971 layer did not erode (effectively the older dredge layer was still there but the newer one was not). If this was the case, then it means Palmer got it wrong.

Now for the logic junkies, the contra positive:
-PW → -L74E or P71E → -P71 or L74 → [-QC or QCE or –EE] → -J72

If Palmer was right then it means the 1974 layer did not erode or that the layer found was not pre 1971 (it was post 71). If that was the case, then there was no pre 1971 layer or the layer was from 1974. If that holds true, then the money was not quickly covered or the quick cover eroded, or the deposit on top of the money did not erode. If that holds true there was no Condition 72.

Basically, either all that stuff happened, or Palmer was right.

The reason why Palmer is in dispute is because those with some brains know that he absolutely must be wrong for their hypothesis to hold any kind of merit.

If Cooper died or if Cooper lost the money on the way down, then it means one of two things: either someone found the money and then dumped the money, or the money arrived naturally (because there’s no one there to help it along). Most of us discount someone finding the money and then dumping it into the Columbia, but it is a viable hypothesis supposing Cooper died or lost the money.

Instead, most everyone talks about the money traveling naturally. If that happened, then the money either landed in the Columbia or in a tributary zone. If it landed in the Columbia, then it means the FBI, FAA, and Northwest all had their clocks fast by roughly 3 minutes. This allows the three of them, all monitoring and communicating with the pilots via telephone/radio hook-up in real time (this is verified by Himmelsbach BTW) to all mistakenly believe the time of the jump took place at 8:11 when it actually occurred later. If that that happened, then condition 72 must take place.

The second option is that the money landed in a tributary zone. If that’s the case, then it means the flight was off by roughly 12 land miles. If that happened, then it means the FAA’s radar was incorrect AND the clocks were slow by at least 3 minutes. If this was the case, then it requires either PDX/FAA to be unaware that the flight is traveling east of PDX and also that the captains are unaware they’re flying east of PDX or that the captains corrected the flight to get it back on course so they can fly west of PDX while also allowing for both the FAA and the Captains to forget about this major correction in flight.

If that sounded like a mouth full, that’s because it is.

Here’s the logical articulation:
CD or C$ → SF or MN
SF → DM
MN → MC → CS3 → J72
or MT → PO12 → -RC & CS3+ → FCU & CPTU & FAU → FPEST → J72
or → MFC & [FAU & FCU] & CPTF → J72



The contra positives:
-SF & -MN → -CD & -C$
This says if someone didn’t find the money and it didn’t get there naturally, then Cooper did not die and he did not lose the money.

-DM → -SF
-J72 → -CS3 → -MC → -MN
(If condition 72 does not exist, then the money did not arrive naturally. This is why Palmer is attacked)
-J72 → -FPEST → -FCU or -CPTU or –FAU → RC or –CS3+ → -PO12 → -MT
(If condition 72 does not exist, then the money never landed in a tributary. Again, why Palmer must be defeated)
-J72 → -MFC or [-FAU or –FCU] or -CPTF
(If condition 72 does not exist then at least one of the following is also true: there was no flight correction, the FAA was aware or flight control was aware, or the captains did not forget correcting course.)

The main argument, however, is the first one listed, because if condition 72 does not exist, then effectively Cooper did not die and he did not lose the money (if you also assume no one found the money and then dumped it). If you can get around the rubber band analysis, then it will open the door to more possibilities, but many of the conditions will still have to hold true.

Let’s look at what has to happen if Cooper survived and got away with the crime.

If Cooper lived, then either condition X, Y, or Z must hold true.

Condition X = he has a reason to dump money into the river as he gets away. If this holds true, then condition 72 must also hold true.

Condition Y = he has a reason to store at least some money (has to be greater than 0) in a tributary area. If this holds true, then some event dislodges the money.

Condition Z = Reason to store at least some of the money (can be in the woods or at his house or any other place he deems safe). If that holds true, he has to have a reason to pass time and not spend the money that’s been stored. If this holds true, he has to come back/visit the river or a tributary. If this holds true, he has to have a reason to dump the money into the river/tributary.

When most people speak of Cooper getting away with it, they usually talk about condition X.
Here’s how that looks symbolically:
X: CL → -SA & R → DM → MC → J72
Y: → -SA & R → SM → R → T → DE
Y2: → SF → DM
Z: → -SA & R → SM → R → PT → CBCK → DM
Z2: → SF → DM

Effectively, if Cooper lived, then either he stored the money or he threw it in the river as he escaped. The latter can only happen if condition 72 exists. Given the highly improbable odds that condition 72 exists, then Cooper would have stored the money somehow if he survived the jump. It was then either nature, a lucky person stumbling onto the money, or Cooper himself that put the stored money into the river.

If condition 72 does not hold true and a natural dislodge does not happen, then either Cooper died/lost the money OR he lived and stored the money.

Anyone want to put some relative odds on each of these scenarios?

EDIT: I've upload the post in PDF form; it's much easier to follow the reasoning that way.

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Have you ever flown in a tunnel? If you close your eyes you'll swear you are in freefall from a plane.

ALternatively, if you close your eyes you might fly into the tunnel wall

Safe, looks like a post that needs a proper mulling over, which I promise to do, but it's bedtime here now.
Nice to see you around.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Safe,

Just when I though we were locked into permanent Jerry Springer mode you show up and what a welcome arrival you are.

I took some logic courses in college but man I am rusty. I'll preuse your PDF and see if I can follow the equations.

So at the end of all the arguments and logic, what is your best guess as to what happened after Cooper exited?

Looking forward to more of your posts. We are leaving the light on for Snow just in case he decides to return for a cameo appearance.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I put the linear logic on the pdf attached to the post above.

I will add the following observations:
Because condition 72 requires some astronomical things, including Palmer messing up some simple stratigraphy, I do not believe condition 72 is possible.

If condition 72 does not hold true (and the rubber band analysis does hold true) then it eliminates Solution U (money in the Columbia), Solution V (money in a tributary), and Solution X.

That leaves solution T (someone finds and dumps the money), solution Y, and solution Z.

That means either someone found and then dumped the money, or Cooper stored money and some event put it into a tributary, or Cooper stored money and *someone* came back for it and put it into the river/tributary.

To argue to the contrary means you have to disagree with extreme odds. I know there are a lot of people that don’t care about odds. One of them has been combing the woods of Washougal for 20 years looking for evidence of solution V.