DB Cooper

[georger 267]

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In Jefferson in 1968 there was a tall round hotel - a skyscraper of sorts. This hotel was resident to many politicians and in February or March of 1968 one of the politicians experiened a silent break-in to his room or one occupied by a member of his security team.

It is not known if much of value was taken or if this incident was reported by the security team.

One item taken during this entry by an employee (or by an accomplice of the employee) was a "TIE" that the perpertator thought belonged to the politician. This "TIE" became a Family Joke. I tried to tell the FBI what I was talking about and did tell them who the politician was - I have been ignored.

The taking of this TIE has no known political overviews and probably does not connect to any covert or CIA action. The "TIE" was deliberately left on the plane by Cooper as a message to his family - a sort of "Good-Bye".

After the Cooper incident he severed his relations with the family, because he did survive and he feared that one of them would put the "TIE" story together with the composite and he would end up in prison for the rest of his life.

Well, the FBI did not at that time make a picture of the TIE available to the public and the original composite that surfaced did not resemble him. He spent the rest of his life avoiding contact with family members from the past and when the new composites surfaced.

His memories of a family he abandoned out of self-perservation haunted him many times over the years...but he knew he needed to take his a life in a different direction if he was to stay out of prison. (xxxx - left out but will tell the FBI if they are interested). He felt little remorse over the children whose lives he had affected and he continued to make the same mistakes in those first few yrs.

He was mentally living in the past and when the chance came to make his life different - he was for the first time forced to revisit the past. He had met someone who did not want to hear the stories of his past loves - and refused to be a part of his until he could put the past in the past. At her insistence he went to see this woman, but the children were grown and no longer living with their Mother.

A few days later he returned to Atlanta, Georgia to begin his new lilfe...He left his old life at the Airport in Ca.

As the yrs progressed he wondered what had happened to those children especially the youngest boy - he had learned to feel regret, but if he attempted to contact him it could mean his spending his life in prison if this lad ever connected the composite and the tie.. He couldn't take that chance - so he left the past in the past.

There is much more to this story that can and will never be public, but I am willing to talk to the FBI again about who the TIE belonged to. They are afraid it will cause cover-up implications and they choose to ignore me. This politician had made a speech in Jefferson was about the oppressed and our penal system, which today is not muct better. When this man was killed Duane felt there was no chance of any changes for ex-cons to have a better life.

Was the TIE also a tribute to the life of this young politician? Was this Coopers grudge? Is this why Cooper was such a "SAD man".

"TO ALL - NEW INFORMATION." ??? Is this another
"baby photo of Tina Mucklow" story?

Are you trying to provoke people all over again?

This sounds a little crazy to me, given your history here.

Did Snowmman put you up to this?

What is the purpose of your post and what do you hope to accomplish with it?

[georger 267]

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In Jefferson in 1968 there was a tall round hotel - a skyscraper of sorts. This hotel was resident to many politicians and in February or March of 1968 one of the politicians experiened a silent break-in to his room or one occupied by a member of his security team.

It is not known if much of value was taken or if this incident was reported by the security team.

One item taken during this entry by an employee (or by an accomplice of the employee) was a "TIE" that the perpertator thought belonged to the politician. This "TIE" became a Family Joke. I tried to tell the FBI what I was talking about and did tell them who the politician was - I have been ignored.

The taking of this TIE has no known political overviews and probably does not connect to any covert or CIA action. The "TIE" was deliberately left on the plane by Cooper as a message to his family - a sort of "Good-Bye".

After the Cooper incident he severed his relations with the family, because he did survive and he feared that one of them would put the "TIE" story together with the composite and he would end up in prison for the rest of his life.

Well, the FBI did not at that time make a picture of the TIE available to the public and the original composite that surfaced did not resemble him. He spent the rest of his life avoiding contact with family members from the past and when the new composites surfaced.

His memories of a family he abandoned out of self-perservation haunted him many times over the years...but he knew he needed to take his a life in a different direction if he was to stay out of prison. (xxxx - left out but will tell the FBI if they are interested). He felt little remorse over the children whose lives he had affected and he continued to make the same mistakes in those first few yrs.

He was mentally living in the past and when the chance came to make his life different - he was for the first time forced to revisit the past. He had met someone who did not want to hear the stories of his past loves - and refused to be a part of his until he could put the past in the past. At her insistence he went to see this woman, but the children were grown and no longer living with their Mother.

A few days later he returned to Atlanta, Georgia to begin his new lilfe...He left his old life at the Airport in Ca.

As the yrs progressed he wondered what had happened to those children especially the youngest boy - he had learned to feel regret, but if he attempted to contact him it could mean his spending his life in prison if this lad ever connected the composite and the tie.. He couldn't take that chance - so he left the past in the past.

There is much more to this story that can and will never be public, but I am willing to talk to the FBI again about who the TIE belonged to. They are afraid it will cause cover-up implications and they choose to ignore me. This politician had made a speech in Jefferson was about the oppressed and our penal system, which today is not muct better. When this man was killed Duane felt there was no chance of any changes for ex-cons to have a better life.

Was the TIE also a tribute to the life of this young politician? Was this Coopers grudge? Is this why Cooper was such a "SAD man".

So let me see if I understand this using your own words:

"In Jefferson in 1968 there was a tall round hotel - his hotel was resident to many politicians and in February or March of 1968 one of the politicians experiened a silent break-in to his room or one occupied by a member of his security team." ...
"One item taken during this entry by an employee (or by an accomplice of the employee) was a "TIE" that the perpertator thought belonged to the politician."...
The taking of this TIE has no known political overviews and probably does not connect to any covert or CIA action."... "The "TIE" was deliberately left on the plane by Cooper as a message to his family - a sort of "Good-Bye". "

Those are large claims, Jo Weber.

Jefferson? Missouri?
Who is the politician? "His" is who?

Maybe the NY Times, the FBI, and the
CIA will be calling for a clarification; if the
Associated Press is not already in possession
of your post here.

You do break news!

[edit] where did Jo go? Wont she come back and
clarify her assertions just made here, which I believe the Associated Press has received?

[georger 267]

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Georger,

I really think you give polygraph exams more credibility than they deserve.

So 377? Where are you? You are usally quick to
encourage Jo - seen Jo's latest post about the
history of the tie!?

In your opinion, is Jo's story reliable, subject to analysis or verification? Or is this a breakthrough
and a link Jo has to something really BIG? Has
Snow had a hand in this? Could radar help?

[georger 267]

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Georger,

I really think you give polygraph exams more credibility than they deserve.

Just received two PMs from Jo - both the same
message as follows:

"From: skyjack71
Date Sent:
Apr 5, 2009, 11:27 PM
Very tired tonight. I told the FBI about the tie but I was ignored yrs ago..

Today I decided to tell everything I know - to whoever will llisten because the FBI will not and did not. They and others I am sure are scoffing at that post - but it is just the first of more things to come.

I noticed that the post did not get your usual monkey chatter (I say that affectionately) - so don't take offense. It may be because you realized that I was VERY serious. I don't have time to play games anymore. I need to get this done.

I have tried to do this without disclosing things that might hurt others , but I can't do that anymore. I found out today that 2 individuals I thought where deceased are alive - not sure of their mental state - in their late 80's.
Duane knew WA and he knew it well... "

So... guess Jo is serious about this.

(edit) Well... quite a development. I must say I
appreciate Jo's straightforward communication.
Perhaps now we can all act in a straightforward manner and handle this in an intelligent manner.
I give Jo credit for her email to me tonight. We
move forward.

Georger

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Georger,

I really think you give polygraph exams more credibility than they deserve.

So 377? Where are you? You are usally quick to
encourage Jo - seen Jo's latest post about the
history of the tie!?

In your opinion, is Jo's story reliable, subject to analysis or verification? Or is this a breakthrough
and a link Jo has to something really BIG? Has
Snow had a hand in this? Could radar help?

Georger,

Even I have my limits. Duane as a Folsom prisoner smoke jumper pushed them. Duane having possession of the MLK assassination rifle stretched them beyond their breaking point. But this Jefferson MO Watergate tie deal is just too loopy for me to follow. Can you explain it to me? Please? How does it put Duane on the NORJACK plane??

Beautiful hot calm clear weather in SF today. The gorgeous bay views were sweetened by a WW 2 B 17 bomber making low level tour flights all day long.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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In Jefferson in 1968 there was a tall round hotel - a skyscraper of sorts. This hotel was resident to many politicians and in February or March of 1968 one of the politicians experiened a silent break-in to his room or one occupied by a member of his security team.

It is not known if much of value was taken or if this incident was reported by the security team.

One item taken during this entry by an employee (or by an accomplice of the employee) was a "TIE" that the perpertator thought belonged to the politician. This "TIE" became a Family Joke. I tried to tell the FBI what I was talking about and did tell them who the politician was - I have been ignored.

The taking of this TIE has no known political overviews and probably does not connect to any covert or CIA action. The "TIE" was deliberately left on the plane by Cooper as a message to his family - a sort of "Good-Bye".

After the Cooper incident he severed his relations with the family, because he did survive and he feared that one of them would put the "TIE" story together with the composite and he would end up in prison for the rest of his life.

Well, the FBI did not at that time make a picture of the TIE available to the public and the original composite that surfaced did not resemble him. He spent the rest of his life avoiding contact with family members from the past and when the new composites surfaced.

His memories of a family he abandoned out of self-perservation haunted him many times over the years...but he knew he needed to take his a life in a different direction if he was to stay out of prison. (xxxx - left out but will tell the FBI if they are interested). He felt little remorse over the children whose lives he had affected and he continued to make the same mistakes in those first few yrs.

He was mentally living in the past and when the chance came to make his life different - he was for the first time forced to revisit the past. He had met someone who did not want to hear the stories of his past loves - and refused to be a part of his until he could put the past in the past. At her insistence he went to see this woman, but the children were grown and no longer living with their Mother.

A few days later he returned to Atlanta, Georgia to begin his new lilfe...He left his old life at the Airport in Ca.

As the yrs progressed he wondered what had happened to those children especially the youngest boy - he had learned to feel regret, but if he attempted to contact him it could mean his spending his life in prison if this lad ever connected the composite and the tie.. He couldn't take that chance - so he left the past in the past.

There is much more to this story that can and will never be public, but I am willing to talk to the FBI again about who the TIE belonged to. They are afraid it will cause cover-up implications and they choose to ignore me. This politician had made a speech in Jefferson was about the oppressed and our penal system, which today is not muct better. When this man was killed Duane felt there was no chance of any changes for ex-cons to have a better life.

Was the TIE also a tribute to the life of this young politician? Was this Coopers grudge? Is this why Cooper was such a "SAD man".

Sigh. so much for

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None of you will have to listen to my ramblings anymore

(March 22) and wherever the one was saying will only post to correct errors.

I feel sorry for Jo, I really do, even though she doesn't want me too. But the sympathy does get eclipsed by irritation at these fanciful conspiracy theories, the number and subjects of which i have now lost track. ..mlk...bay of pigs...freemasons are just 3 that spring to mind immediately... i'm sure somewhere we can weave all this into a wonderful plot, ending in The Conspiracy that begets all other conspiracies.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[SchlitznGrins 0]

Perhaps we could get some of that 'Truth Serum' and give a dose to Jo....Wait a minute...This according to Wiki on the reliability:

According to information obtained by public disclosure, sodium Amytal can be highly unreliable, with subjects apparently freely mixing fact and fantasy. Much of the claimed effect relies on the belief of the subject that they cannot tell a lie while under the influence of the drug. It has also been said that the use of sodium amobarbital does not increase truth-telling, but merely increases talking; therefore, truth is more likely to be revealed, but so are lies.

Maybe Jo is already taking Truth Serum!

Just messing with you Jo!

[georger 267]

Even I have my limits. Duane as a Folsom prisoner smoke jumper pushed them. Duane having possession of the MLK assassination rifle stretched them beyond their breaking point. But this Jefferson MO Watergate tie deal is just too loopy for me to follow. Can you explain it to me? Please? How does it put Duane on the NORJACK plane??


377

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Duane as a Folsom prisoner smoke jumper pushed them.

I had pictures of an article on jumpers being trained (3 men) being trained in a program. It disappeared and I have never found it since - none of the men where Duane - at that time I was looking for his exposure to forestry and jumping.
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Duane having possession of the MLK assassination rifle stretched them beyond their breaking point.

I did not know where the rifle came from but since it showed up in our home AFTER we bought a station wagon (before I never knew what was in the trunk of that car) - the mysterious trip to Memphis before this time - the stating of that was theory trying my best to figure out what Duane's connections to all of that was. And WHY he was so upset about the rifle missing when we got robbed - he didn't use it...and we had been carrying it around for several yrs.

The things he told me while we were in Memphis - and handing me a set of keys to the car - telling me if he wasn't back at such a time to take the car and go back to Atlanta - that he would find me. He tells me about a hiding place behind a wall in a bathroom and he tells me about the boarding house and the grill and he knows the owner. What am I supposed to think in retrospect after all of this and my learning about his criminal record.
In 1982/1983 when this happened remember I had NO knowledge of his criminal background.

I also did not know about his strong connection to James Earl Ray - nor about Jefferson - nor had I talked to the wife of the times. This connection came from my conversations with her in the yrs since Duane died and my finding out who Dan Cooper was.
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The Jefferson MO Watergate tie deal is just too loopy for me to follow. Can you explain it to me? Please? How does it put Duane on the NORJACK plane??

I am not sure what you mean by the Watergate deal. The tie is just as I explained it. I was told the tie story twice by individuals who knew Duane from the 60's - it was something that was no secret at that time. In 1971 - the FBI did not tell about the tie (not sure when they released that information) and they did NOT make a picture of the tie available to the public until the last 2 yrs.

Having heard the story about a tie before - I told the FBI about it. They came up with the DNA results - in which they claimed that there were multiple particial DNA's which "excused" (their word) Duane Weber. Excluded and excused do not mean the same thing.

I would be told this story again about the tie - the tie story was well known and something that was discussed prior to the highjacking. Duane separated himself from this past and the story of the tie...almost immediately after the skyjacking.

In 1971 the tie being left on the plane was letting his family know who he was if he didn't make it. It was symbolic - eplaining why he did what he did. (That part is Theory - the story of how the tie was acquired is NOT).

Forget the theories - look at the facts - and don't feel the least bit sorry for me Orange. Why do you think I have sat on this for so long? I told the FBI and waited for them to do the right thing without my being involved, because it involved other individuals - that hasn't happened.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 267]

Sigh. so much for

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None of you will have to listen to my ramblings anymore

(March 22) and wherever the one was saying will only post to correct errors.

I feel sorry for Jo, I really do, even though she doesn't want me too. But the sympathy does get eclipsed by irritation at these fanciful conspiracy theories, the number and subjects of which i have now lost track. ..mlk...bay of pigs...freemasons are just 3 that spring to mind immediately... i'm sure somewhere we can weave all this into a wonderful plot, ending in The Conspiracy that begets all other conspiracies.

[georger 267]

In 1971 the tie being left on the plane was letting his family know who he was if he didn't make it. It was symbolic - eplaining why he did what he did. (That part is Theory - the story of how the tie was acquired is NOT).

[skyjack71 0]

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Who took the tie originally? Duane or somebody
Duane knew

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Supposedly Duane took the tie and he was as the story goes working in that Hotel at the time.

This was within a short time after he is released from Jefferson - I do not know if he participated in a work release at that time or why a hotel would hire a 6 time felon. This is why I felt he may have had an accomplilce or just managed to acquire the pass key from housekeeping. Therefore an innocent accomplice. (That is theory because all I know is he did work for a hotel in that area and that he claimed to have taken the tie of this politician - This TIE was his PRIZE POSSESSION and the family knew this.)

This politician was killed and the very next yr. Duane finds he is ill and his marriage is falling apart and he isn't making any money because he is an ex-con - there is so much more to this part of the story - and it is not good. All the FBI needs are the facts not the sordid details.

The FBI just needs to check out the names Duane worked under with a work release and right after discharge from Jefferson.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Orange1 0]

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In 1971 the tie being left on the plane was letting his family know who he was if he didn't make it. It was symbolic - eplaining why he did what he did. (That part is Theory - the story of how the tie was acquired is NOT).

Duane left the tie on the plane?

Who took the tie originally? Duane or somebody
Duane knew?

[georger 267]

if you were going to leave something on a plane to identify you, surely something better than mass produced cheap stuff?

[377 22]

Jo

Orange and Georger make some really logical points about the tie. It is like leaving a lucky penny or a rabbits foot on the plane. The item may have meant a lot to the person who left it, but it is so common an item. How could Cooper expect such a common item to have such significance to anyone learning of its presence on the plane?

My reference to Watergate was just analogizing the Jefferson breakin to a more famous political burglary.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Why would Duane's family or the politician's family
be paying attention to events in Washington or the
Cooper hijacking? Missouri is a long long way from the State of Washington, in every respect.

What guarantees Duane's family or the politician's family are paying any attention to the Cooper hijacking or would connect Duane with it?

I seriously do not think the politicians family would have notice this at all. BUT what you do not know is the family connections to WA state and those of Duane at that time and in the past.

I do not know the dates of the family connections to WA. but it is more than co-incidental. I also cannot disclose that information - it is simply a background search on 3 names - showing the times they resided in WA. Duane is not included in that 3.

This is something the FBI needs to do and should have done when I told them about certain parties that resided in WA in 1971. One of these 3 denied later a connection to WA, but early on had made statements to the contrary.

Service records should confirm two of the WA connections for that time period.

If Duane had disappeared (died) in the jump - the family would have made the connection due to the composite, the tie and his background. They knew he was an ex-con and were aware of his criminal activities.

I cannot give details - that is the FBI's job - If Carr really wants to solve this - and he CAN'T find the information I am talking about in the file on Duane - then they need to contact me.

Back in the beginning I gave the FBI these connections.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Orange1 0]

Sometime way back in the forum someone cleverly showed how Stairway to Heaven was the story of the DBC case.

Right now I am reminded of another Led Zep song however...

..."Ramble on".

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[georger 267]

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Sometime way back in the forum someone cleverly showed how Stairway to Heaven was the story of the DBC case.

Right now I am reminded of another Led Zep song however...

..."Ramble on".

uh... Jo has just informed me via a PM she is feeling very poorly, and may be headed for the ER, so she
may be unavailable to answer here for a bit.

Thats all I know.

Orange, we have NCAA basketball championship
here tonight - very important cultural event. So
Im going to vanish - bread to bake and chili and
kosher hot dogs to get ready. Back later ---
Go Mich State!

[JerryThomas 0]

Jo you missed your calling as a fiction writer.Give up this fantasie of Duane being Cooper and become a fiction writer you would be realy great at it.

[JerryThomas 0]

Orange ! Led Zep now your telling your age.

[happythoughts 0]

The bucket has been found and an investigator is looking into it.




...at least, that is my theory and I can make it fit all the available facts.

[JerryThomas 0]

As the english would say Brilliant

[georger 267]

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The bucket has been found and an investigator is looking into it.




...at least, that is my theory and I can make it fit all the available facts.

funny! good one.

[JerryThomas 0]

Dna testing can Identify a ethinic group. If it does do you think that it would stop false claims from others that claim to be or to know who Cooper is.Just a question. What do you guys think

[georger 267]

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Dna testing can Identify a ethinic group. If it does do you think that it would stop false claims from others that claim to be or to know who Cooper is.Just a question. What do you guys think

It would definately shift people's focus.

But it would also increase pressure from new
directions including to have the FBI profiles
released so people could judge the
reliability of the ethnic estimates ...

Here is a link which explains Haplotyping etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

Here is a snip which explains a little of what is
involved -

"" Ethnicity testing can be carried out in a number of ways. The two most common are mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome testing. Testing mitochondrial DNA - chromosomes passed exclusively through the female line which change little over time - pinpoints an individual's maternal ancestry. Testing the Y chromosome, passed from father to son, can reveal a person's paternal lineage.

Autosomal testing offers a complete picture of an individual's ancestry, whereas mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome tests reveal just one element. To find out more, go to www.dna-bioscience.co.uk.""

The above came from:
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=149196