snowmman 3 #9151 March 23, 2009 georger said "Has Jo ever considered her threats on the Internet can be reported to the Authorities, as well as any threats she has issued via email ? As Jo's caretaker maybe you need to advise her of that before she gets herself and you into hot water. " Yes, there must be much court time. (I don't know which is weirder, Jerry threatening Jo with court time, or Georger. Maybe equal?) Actually the only interesting thing about law here, is the recent stuff about anonymity on the web, as a result of that woman who taunted that kid who committed suicide. That was real and should give us all pause. It would be lousy if laws were passed that made it illegal to be anonymous. I'm not sure what the current state of affairs is, but I thought some states were pursuing it. You know I was thinking about how everyone was treating Duane's possession of a weapon all serious like, and how it was really trivial when you look at the big picture with guns in the usa etc. Here's a video of grandma getting her gun off.. I don't know what's weirder, the shooting, or what she says. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--K3X6rptE4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9152 March 23, 2009 georger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. If Ckret wants to start a thread to talk with guys like georger, he's got plenty of ways to do it. Georger? I can't see where you have the high moral ground here. (edit) Actually Georger can start his own thread anywhere, much like Jo did. This thread was relatively successful in a variety of goals. Was it because of Jo's ramblings? Maybe, I think so. Rationality can be overrated as a organizing force. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9153 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo Said: Quote I will set some records straight. AND QuoteNone of you will have to listen to my ramblings anymore Ahhhh! Now my work is done. Sluggo takes a "deep bow". See 377, that’s how you do it. snowmman, Thanks, you played you hand straight as an arrow, just as I hoped you would. See what we can accomplish when we work together. No problem. Deception is part of the game here. Oh yeah, check your credit card bill next month. Rule #1: if you don't know who the mark is, it's probably you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 268 #9154 March 23, 2009 Quotegeorger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. reply: I didnt say he did, you asshole. If you are going to play historian and judge and jury - at least get your facts straight. But this is just more distraction. Fact is, you have nothing to say, and all this thread is is words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9155 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuotegeorger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. reply: I didnt say he did, you asshole. If you are going to play historian and judge and jury - at least get your facts straight. But this is just more distraction. Fact is, you have nothing to say, and all this thread is is words. I have this image of a drunk old guy, dribbling spittle out of the side of his mouth, trying to pick a fight in the parking lot with a younger guy. And everyone standing around all thinking the same thought "god, I hope that doesn't happen to me, when I get to be like that" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9156 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotegeorger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. reply: I didnt say he did, you asshole. If you are going to play historian and judge and jury - at least get your facts straight. But this is just more distraction. Fact is, you have nothing to say, and all this thread is is words. I have this image of a drunk old guy, dribbling spittle out of the side of his mouth, trying to pick a fight in the parking lot with a younger guy. And everyone standing around all thinking the same thought "god, I hope that doesn't happen to me, when I get to be like that" Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. By extension, that generation also seems to have a Castration Complex - often seeks out elderly women they think are mother figures only to discover these women are castration specialists! Selects women who will only associate with eunuchs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9157 March 23, 2009 Quote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Various sources cite Generation X as born between 1965 and 1980, 1961 and 1981, 1964 and 1979, 1963 and 1979, 1965 and 1975 or since the mid-1960s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9158 March 23, 2009 Quote "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " Geprger: You have the opportunity NOW at this time to make this thread productive without me - instead of bickering and acting like a chimpanzee - go to work. Show me what you are able to do - Prove who Cooper was? Present your suspect. Sluggo: You accomplished NOTHING. I have had to correct statements you made about Duane and Myself and you ARE the ONE who came to my home...you state errors and then toss in your own theory which makes no sense at all. That makes you another JO, but with techincal knowledge and the education she does not have. Duane Weber did NOT go to WA to search for D.B.Cooper - he would have told his only friend of the time and that friend was not only a working associate but a personal friend during the yrs this would have had to happen. He knew Duane very well and will state that Duane would have BRAGGED about going to WA to look for Coopers Money or his Bones. Lady. Trivia Story: May 1996 - FBI is informed of a suspect in the 1971 HiJacking Sep 1997 - The FBI has never contacted the woman who was involved in that man's life at the time of the HiJacking. She was a living and viable person in Sept 1997. She thought the suspect had been dead for many many yrs prior to being told in Sept 1997 he had passed away in 1995. The two parties speak again the next day - a strange story is told by a very intoxicated person. That story has NEVER been told, due to compassion for the woman who had just discovered the love of her life had live for many yrs unbeknown to her. So you see - I haven't told all of the story...I have kept thing close to me - because I needed proof.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9159 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Quote More distortion & smoke & mirrors. Deception you said is your specialty. The pride in being a deceiver (and the deceived) was evident. Now you need to segway into how Georger's perceptions and claims are always wrong... Your move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #9160 March 23, 2009 Quote When you guys STOP bashing me I will STOP posting Alternatively, if you stop posting you will stop giving reason for people to bash you. Sorry 377, I know you think Jo has stuff to add. Me, I've had my fill of rambling nonsense. Your eloquent well-argued post has gone the way of all the others... Bozo kept on telling me I was hitting my head againts a brick wall, I fear you are doing the same!! Why do people keep on "threatening" to stop posting but never actually do? The pattern is always the same: 1. "i'll stop posting" then 2. (sulkily with lots of bold and/or underlines) "i'm only posting because someone said something about me" then 3. yet another long rambling post about someone or something barely even tangential to the DB Cooper case.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9161 March 23, 2009 Georger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9162 March 23, 2009 QuoteGeorger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Pretty low level stuff Snow. You can do better (with training). Pick up a course from a local community college. Hey! Did you hear Jo is leaving? Why did you ever respond to me at all, is what I would like to know! More evidence of deprivation I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9163 March 23, 2009 Jo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9164 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. If I have threatened or offened anyone I apologize. I thought it was me being attacked, but maybe I misread the posts. I had already agreed to only ask questions regarding what the "team" was doing. ( Non-Weber related - just the research). Thank You for allowing me here and I assure you there will be NO posts from me other than to ask a questions.... regarding what the "team" has produced and other questions that might arise.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9165 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. What about the people calling others Idiots and Assholes? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9166 March 23, 2009 georger brought up Gen-X. I am always up for understanding the passions and drives of the next generation. Every generation is different. Responds to different times. Every older generation, whether they like or not, rides the back of the next generation. Sure it's a great idea, that somehow you can kick ass while you're young, and bank away enough of something, so you can give the middle finger to the next generation, and say "You guys don't know how it was done". But that's never true. So Gen X-Y-Z? Hats off to you! See what you can do. The best thing us older folks can do is try to smooth the path a little, whether we think they deserve it or not. There's no other workable alternative. So suck it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9167 March 24, 2009 Jo don't start this again duane never claimed to to be Cooper and you Know it. And you have PM us more than once. If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died. You know the one when You told Jerry that Duane whispered in your ear he knew who cooper was and then you stated that duane got upset and said never mind I'll take it to the grave with me. Then you said to Jerry that you thought it was just his medication talking and asked Jerry if he thought that there may be some thing to this story. Should I go On I just got done listening to the tape. Sound familiar if not I'd be glad to refresh your memory with more of that conversation and let everyone have a copy of that tape and the others we have on tape then they will know the real story and how you have built this fantasy of yours. Would you like me to do that? It would be my pleasure to do so. I would respectfully request that you stop puting Tom Larry /FBI geoger sluggo and all the others down because they do not agree with you.It seems that your scared of all of them to include Jerry for what they know.and it threatens the chances you have for fame.I realy don't wonder why because Iknow why.Please say yes to me sending a copy of all telephone convesatios to everyone or just get off this forum. Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9168 March 24, 2009 "If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died." It's like a virus or a disease. People act like they're perfectly normal, then it turns out they're keeping copies of 12 year old phone conversations, like it actually might have some value. "You're crazy" "No you are" "No you are more" How far does the virus go? "or just get off this forum. Shelly" Shelly, there's only one person here with the off switch, and that's Quade. You can't tell someone to get off the forum. Well I guess you can, but it's kind of pointless. The problem with making dogmatic statements against other posters is that it prompts people like me to respond, just so it doesn't appear that the silence means people agree with you. So it ends up all being a waste of "bandwidth" as they say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9169 March 24, 2009 Good Bye Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9170 March 24, 2009 Shelly. I'm assuming you have Jo's consent on the tapes? Please publish them like you suggested. (mp3's would be ideal) I did some research around the laws regarding taping phone conversations. reading http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html Federal law only requires consent of one party in the call. However some states require consent of both. It becomes interesting on an interstate call. The advice tends to be that it's best to use the most conservative state's rules. see here: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/interstate.html OR only requires one party consent. WA apparently requires both, so it depends on where you were living at the time? However, looking at Florida, you may have an issue. I mention this because it becomes especially dicey if you threaten to "use the tape" in order to extract some behavior. It smacks of blackmail. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976). Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000). In Cohen Brothers, LLC v. ME Corp., S.A., 872 So.2d 321 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2004), the District Court of Appeal for the Third District of Florida held that members of a limited liability company’s (LLC) management committee did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to participation in telephone conference calls with other committee members to discuss continued financing of the LLC, and thus could not hold the committee members liable for recording the conference calls. A federal appellate court has held that because only interceptions made through an “electronic, mechanical or other device” are illegal under Florida law, telephones used in the ordinary course of business to record conversations do not violate the law. The court found that business telephones are not the type of devices addressed in the law and, thus, that a life insurance company did not violate the law when it routinely recorded business-related calls on its business extensions. Royal Health Care Servs., Inc. v. Jefferson-Pilot Life Ins. Co., 924 F.2d 215 (11th Cir. 1991). Anyone whose communications have been illegally intercepted may recover actual damages or $100 for each day of violation or $1,000, whichever is greater, along with punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation costs. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9171 March 24, 2009 I'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9172 March 24, 2009 QuoteI'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... I think Jo might even give consent, just to clear that up. I have no idea what went on 12 years ago, and don't really care. But I'm glad you see what I see: It's not good to be keeping tapes for 12 years and threatening people with them. Sure Jo's a little whacky, and sure she gets her 15 minutes of fame. But heck, look at Larr Carr, and the whole team of Citizen Sleuths on TV recently with their 15 minutes. They've contributed zero to the discussion so far. Now maybe they will, maybe they won't. Who knows. But independent of how whacky Jo can be (we've all seen it, and know that she's not really a set of behaviors to emulate or say is ideal).....there's no reason to keep beating on her. Geez. Especially, when Jerry came on and even though he's been searching for 12 years, he gave us absolutely no information. I mean how are we supposed to react? People come on, sling mud, say they're smart and we're stupid etc. If people can contribute some info, go for it! We're all ears! Plenty of space to post. Plenty of readers. Heck we've all read Bruce's stuff to help him get paid! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9173 March 24, 2009 No, you see what I see, you asshole "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9174 March 24, 2009 Quote No, you see what I see, you asshole :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hangdiver 1 #9175 March 24, 2009 This thread is getting really weird. Jo almost gets banned for calling someone "a Jo" and the poster that actually calls someone an "asshole" gets a free pass. I enjoy reading the "new" info about Cooper but it seems most of the stuff is re-hashed myths or half-truths that have been kicked around so many times they just seem new. My dad was a paratrooper in WW ll, he was 54 in 1971. I am wondering if the FBI ever profiled WW ll vets. My dad was a carpenter and in very good shape in 71'. I'm pretty sure he wasn't Cooper but fit Cooper's description in a general way. He was 6' tall with an olive tan, dark brown receding hair, 180lbs and knew how to put on a parachute. He took me to see the first skydivers I ever saw in Calistoga, Ca. I really never thought about a WW ll vet being Cooper until I realized someone with a similar background and age of my father could have done the hijack. For those of you that are easily confused, don't jump to conclusions about me thinking my dad was Cooper, that's not my point. My point is that Cooper could have been a former WW ll paratrooper. Just a theory I haven't heard. Carry on... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 Next Page 367 of 2623 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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snowmman 3 #9155 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuotegeorger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. reply: I didnt say he did, you asshole. If you are going to play historian and judge and jury - at least get your facts straight. But this is just more distraction. Fact is, you have nothing to say, and all this thread is is words. I have this image of a drunk old guy, dribbling spittle out of the side of his mouth, trying to pick a fight in the parking lot with a younger guy. And everyone standing around all thinking the same thought "god, I hope that doesn't happen to me, when I get to be like that" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9156 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotegeorger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. reply: I didnt say he did, you asshole. If you are going to play historian and judge and jury - at least get your facts straight. But this is just more distraction. Fact is, you have nothing to say, and all this thread is is words. I have this image of a drunk old guy, dribbling spittle out of the side of his mouth, trying to pick a fight in the parking lot with a younger guy. And everyone standing around all thinking the same thought "god, I hope that doesn't happen to me, when I get to be like that" Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. By extension, that generation also seems to have a Castration Complex - often seeks out elderly women they think are mother figures only to discover these women are castration specialists! Selects women who will only associate with eunuchs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9157 March 23, 2009 Quote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Various sources cite Generation X as born between 1965 and 1980, 1961 and 1981, 1964 and 1979, 1963 and 1979, 1965 and 1975 or since the mid-1960s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9158 March 23, 2009 Quote "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " Geprger: You have the opportunity NOW at this time to make this thread productive without me - instead of bickering and acting like a chimpanzee - go to work. Show me what you are able to do - Prove who Cooper was? Present your suspect. Sluggo: You accomplished NOTHING. I have had to correct statements you made about Duane and Myself and you ARE the ONE who came to my home...you state errors and then toss in your own theory which makes no sense at all. That makes you another JO, but with techincal knowledge and the education she does not have. Duane Weber did NOT go to WA to search for D.B.Cooper - he would have told his only friend of the time and that friend was not only a working associate but a personal friend during the yrs this would have had to happen. He knew Duane very well and will state that Duane would have BRAGGED about going to WA to look for Coopers Money or his Bones. Lady. Trivia Story: May 1996 - FBI is informed of a suspect in the 1971 HiJacking Sep 1997 - The FBI has never contacted the woman who was involved in that man's life at the time of the HiJacking. She was a living and viable person in Sept 1997. She thought the suspect had been dead for many many yrs prior to being told in Sept 1997 he had passed away in 1995. The two parties speak again the next day - a strange story is told by a very intoxicated person. That story has NEVER been told, due to compassion for the woman who had just discovered the love of her life had live for many yrs unbeknown to her. So you see - I haven't told all of the story...I have kept thing close to me - because I needed proof.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9159 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Quote More distortion & smoke & mirrors. Deception you said is your specialty. The pride in being a deceiver (and the deceived) was evident. Now you need to segway into how Georger's perceptions and claims are always wrong... Your move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #9160 March 23, 2009 Quote When you guys STOP bashing me I will STOP posting Alternatively, if you stop posting you will stop giving reason for people to bash you. Sorry 377, I know you think Jo has stuff to add. Me, I've had my fill of rambling nonsense. Your eloquent well-argued post has gone the way of all the others... Bozo kept on telling me I was hitting my head againts a brick wall, I fear you are doing the same!! Why do people keep on "threatening" to stop posting but never actually do? The pattern is always the same: 1. "i'll stop posting" then 2. (sulkily with lots of bold and/or underlines) "i'm only posting because someone said something about me" then 3. yet another long rambling post about someone or something barely even tangential to the DB Cooper case.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9161 March 23, 2009 Georger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9162 March 23, 2009 QuoteGeorger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Pretty low level stuff Snow. You can do better (with training). Pick up a course from a local community college. Hey! Did you hear Jo is leaving? Why did you ever respond to me at all, is what I would like to know! More evidence of deprivation I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9163 March 23, 2009 Jo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9164 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. If I have threatened or offened anyone I apologize. I thought it was me being attacked, but maybe I misread the posts. I had already agreed to only ask questions regarding what the "team" was doing. ( Non-Weber related - just the research). Thank You for allowing me here and I assure you there will be NO posts from me other than to ask a questions.... regarding what the "team" has produced and other questions that might arise.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9165 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. What about the people calling others Idiots and Assholes? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9166 March 23, 2009 georger brought up Gen-X. I am always up for understanding the passions and drives of the next generation. Every generation is different. Responds to different times. Every older generation, whether they like or not, rides the back of the next generation. Sure it's a great idea, that somehow you can kick ass while you're young, and bank away enough of something, so you can give the middle finger to the next generation, and say "You guys don't know how it was done". But that's never true. So Gen X-Y-Z? Hats off to you! See what you can do. The best thing us older folks can do is try to smooth the path a little, whether we think they deserve it or not. There's no other workable alternative. So suck it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9167 March 24, 2009 Jo don't start this again duane never claimed to to be Cooper and you Know it. And you have PM us more than once. If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died. You know the one when You told Jerry that Duane whispered in your ear he knew who cooper was and then you stated that duane got upset and said never mind I'll take it to the grave with me. Then you said to Jerry that you thought it was just his medication talking and asked Jerry if he thought that there may be some thing to this story. Should I go On I just got done listening to the tape. Sound familiar if not I'd be glad to refresh your memory with more of that conversation and let everyone have a copy of that tape and the others we have on tape then they will know the real story and how you have built this fantasy of yours. Would you like me to do that? It would be my pleasure to do so. I would respectfully request that you stop puting Tom Larry /FBI geoger sluggo and all the others down because they do not agree with you.It seems that your scared of all of them to include Jerry for what they know.and it threatens the chances you have for fame.I realy don't wonder why because Iknow why.Please say yes to me sending a copy of all telephone convesatios to everyone or just get off this forum. Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9168 March 24, 2009 "If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died." It's like a virus or a disease. People act like they're perfectly normal, then it turns out they're keeping copies of 12 year old phone conversations, like it actually might have some value. "You're crazy" "No you are" "No you are more" How far does the virus go? "or just get off this forum. Shelly" Shelly, there's only one person here with the off switch, and that's Quade. You can't tell someone to get off the forum. Well I guess you can, but it's kind of pointless. The problem with making dogmatic statements against other posters is that it prompts people like me to respond, just so it doesn't appear that the silence means people agree with you. So it ends up all being a waste of "bandwidth" as they say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9169 March 24, 2009 Good Bye Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9170 March 24, 2009 Shelly. I'm assuming you have Jo's consent on the tapes? Please publish them like you suggested. (mp3's would be ideal) I did some research around the laws regarding taping phone conversations. reading http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html Federal law only requires consent of one party in the call. However some states require consent of both. It becomes interesting on an interstate call. The advice tends to be that it's best to use the most conservative state's rules. see here: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/interstate.html OR only requires one party consent. WA apparently requires both, so it depends on where you were living at the time? However, looking at Florida, you may have an issue. I mention this because it becomes especially dicey if you threaten to "use the tape" in order to extract some behavior. It smacks of blackmail. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976). Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000). In Cohen Brothers, LLC v. ME Corp., S.A., 872 So.2d 321 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2004), the District Court of Appeal for the Third District of Florida held that members of a limited liability company’s (LLC) management committee did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to participation in telephone conference calls with other committee members to discuss continued financing of the LLC, and thus could not hold the committee members liable for recording the conference calls. A federal appellate court has held that because only interceptions made through an “electronic, mechanical or other device” are illegal under Florida law, telephones used in the ordinary course of business to record conversations do not violate the law. The court found that business telephones are not the type of devices addressed in the law and, thus, that a life insurance company did not violate the law when it routinely recorded business-related calls on its business extensions. Royal Health Care Servs., Inc. v. Jefferson-Pilot Life Ins. Co., 924 F.2d 215 (11th Cir. 1991). Anyone whose communications have been illegally intercepted may recover actual damages or $100 for each day of violation or $1,000, whichever is greater, along with punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation costs. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9171 March 24, 2009 I'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9172 March 24, 2009 QuoteI'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... I think Jo might even give consent, just to clear that up. I have no idea what went on 12 years ago, and don't really care. But I'm glad you see what I see: It's not good to be keeping tapes for 12 years and threatening people with them. Sure Jo's a little whacky, and sure she gets her 15 minutes of fame. But heck, look at Larr Carr, and the whole team of Citizen Sleuths on TV recently with their 15 minutes. They've contributed zero to the discussion so far. Now maybe they will, maybe they won't. Who knows. But independent of how whacky Jo can be (we've all seen it, and know that she's not really a set of behaviors to emulate or say is ideal).....there's no reason to keep beating on her. Geez. Especially, when Jerry came on and even though he's been searching for 12 years, he gave us absolutely no information. I mean how are we supposed to react? People come on, sling mud, say they're smart and we're stupid etc. If people can contribute some info, go for it! We're all ears! Plenty of space to post. Plenty of readers. Heck we've all read Bruce's stuff to help him get paid! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9173 March 24, 2009 No, you see what I see, you asshole "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9174 March 24, 2009 Quote No, you see what I see, you asshole :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hangdiver 1 #9175 March 24, 2009 This thread is getting really weird. Jo almost gets banned for calling someone "a Jo" and the poster that actually calls someone an "asshole" gets a free pass. I enjoy reading the "new" info about Cooper but it seems most of the stuff is re-hashed myths or half-truths that have been kicked around so many times they just seem new. My dad was a paratrooper in WW ll, he was 54 in 1971. I am wondering if the FBI ever profiled WW ll vets. My dad was a carpenter and in very good shape in 71'. I'm pretty sure he wasn't Cooper but fit Cooper's description in a general way. He was 6' tall with an olive tan, dark brown receding hair, 180lbs and knew how to put on a parachute. He took me to see the first skydivers I ever saw in Calistoga, Ca. I really never thought about a WW ll vet being Cooper until I realized someone with a similar background and age of my father could have done the hijack. For those of you that are easily confused, don't jump to conclusions about me thinking my dad was Cooper, that's not my point. My point is that Cooper could have been a former WW ll paratrooper. Just a theory I haven't heard. Carry on... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 Next Page 367 of 2623 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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georger 268 #9156 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotegeorger said: "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " The history of the thread is that it was started by Jo. Ckret was a johnny-come-lately who hopped on it after it had gone on for a while. Ckret had nothing to do with starting the thread. reply: I didnt say he did, you asshole. If you are going to play historian and judge and jury - at least get your facts straight. But this is just more distraction. Fact is, you have nothing to say, and all this thread is is words. I have this image of a drunk old guy, dribbling spittle out of the side of his mouth, trying to pick a fight in the parking lot with a younger guy. And everyone standing around all thinking the same thought "god, I hope that doesn't happen to me, when I get to be like that" Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. By extension, that generation also seems to have a Castration Complex - often seeks out elderly women they think are mother figures only to discover these women are castration specialists! Selects women who will only associate with eunuchs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9157 March 23, 2009 Quote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Various sources cite Generation X as born between 1965 and 1980, 1961 and 1981, 1964 and 1979, 1963 and 1979, 1965 and 1975 or since the mid-1960s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9158 March 23, 2009 Quote "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " Geprger: You have the opportunity NOW at this time to make this thread productive without me - instead of bickering and acting like a chimpanzee - go to work. Show me what you are able to do - Prove who Cooper was? Present your suspect. Sluggo: You accomplished NOTHING. I have had to correct statements you made about Duane and Myself and you ARE the ONE who came to my home...you state errors and then toss in your own theory which makes no sense at all. That makes you another JO, but with techincal knowledge and the education she does not have. Duane Weber did NOT go to WA to search for D.B.Cooper - he would have told his only friend of the time and that friend was not only a working associate but a personal friend during the yrs this would have had to happen. He knew Duane very well and will state that Duane would have BRAGGED about going to WA to look for Coopers Money or his Bones. Lady. Trivia Story: May 1996 - FBI is informed of a suspect in the 1971 HiJacking Sep 1997 - The FBI has never contacted the woman who was involved in that man's life at the time of the HiJacking. She was a living and viable person in Sept 1997. She thought the suspect had been dead for many many yrs prior to being told in Sept 1997 he had passed away in 1995. The two parties speak again the next day - a strange story is told by a very intoxicated person. That story has NEVER been told, due to compassion for the woman who had just discovered the love of her life had live for many yrs unbeknown to her. So you see - I haven't told all of the story...I have kept thing close to me - because I needed proof.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9159 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Quote More distortion & smoke & mirrors. Deception you said is your specialty. The pride in being a deceiver (and the deceived) was evident. Now you need to segway into how Georger's perceptions and claims are always wrong... Your move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #9160 March 23, 2009 Quote When you guys STOP bashing me I will STOP posting Alternatively, if you stop posting you will stop giving reason for people to bash you. Sorry 377, I know you think Jo has stuff to add. Me, I've had my fill of rambling nonsense. Your eloquent well-argued post has gone the way of all the others... Bozo kept on telling me I was hitting my head againts a brick wall, I fear you are doing the same!! Why do people keep on "threatening" to stop posting but never actually do? The pattern is always the same: 1. "i'll stop posting" then 2. (sulkily with lots of bold and/or underlines) "i'm only posting because someone said something about me" then 3. yet another long rambling post about someone or something barely even tangential to the DB Cooper case.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9161 March 23, 2009 Georger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9162 March 23, 2009 QuoteGeorger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Pretty low level stuff Snow. You can do better (with training). Pick up a course from a local community college. Hey! Did you hear Jo is leaving? Why did you ever respond to me at all, is what I would like to know! More evidence of deprivation I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9163 March 23, 2009 Jo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9164 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. If I have threatened or offened anyone I apologize. I thought it was me being attacked, but maybe I misread the posts. I had already agreed to only ask questions regarding what the "team" was doing. ( Non-Weber related - just the research). Thank You for allowing me here and I assure you there will be NO posts from me other than to ask a questions.... regarding what the "team" has produced and other questions that might arise.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9165 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. What about the people calling others Idiots and Assholes? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9166 March 23, 2009 georger brought up Gen-X. I am always up for understanding the passions and drives of the next generation. Every generation is different. Responds to different times. Every older generation, whether they like or not, rides the back of the next generation. Sure it's a great idea, that somehow you can kick ass while you're young, and bank away enough of something, so you can give the middle finger to the next generation, and say "You guys don't know how it was done". But that's never true. So Gen X-Y-Z? Hats off to you! See what you can do. The best thing us older folks can do is try to smooth the path a little, whether we think they deserve it or not. There's no other workable alternative. So suck it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9167 March 24, 2009 Jo don't start this again duane never claimed to to be Cooper and you Know it. And you have PM us more than once. If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died. You know the one when You told Jerry that Duane whispered in your ear he knew who cooper was and then you stated that duane got upset and said never mind I'll take it to the grave with me. Then you said to Jerry that you thought it was just his medication talking and asked Jerry if he thought that there may be some thing to this story. Should I go On I just got done listening to the tape. Sound familiar if not I'd be glad to refresh your memory with more of that conversation and let everyone have a copy of that tape and the others we have on tape then they will know the real story and how you have built this fantasy of yours. Would you like me to do that? It would be my pleasure to do so. I would respectfully request that you stop puting Tom Larry /FBI geoger sluggo and all the others down because they do not agree with you.It seems that your scared of all of them to include Jerry for what they know.and it threatens the chances you have for fame.I realy don't wonder why because Iknow why.Please say yes to me sending a copy of all telephone convesatios to everyone or just get off this forum. Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9168 March 24, 2009 "If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died." It's like a virus or a disease. People act like they're perfectly normal, then it turns out they're keeping copies of 12 year old phone conversations, like it actually might have some value. "You're crazy" "No you are" "No you are more" How far does the virus go? "or just get off this forum. Shelly" Shelly, there's only one person here with the off switch, and that's Quade. You can't tell someone to get off the forum. Well I guess you can, but it's kind of pointless. The problem with making dogmatic statements against other posters is that it prompts people like me to respond, just so it doesn't appear that the silence means people agree with you. So it ends up all being a waste of "bandwidth" as they say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9169 March 24, 2009 Good Bye Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9170 March 24, 2009 Shelly. I'm assuming you have Jo's consent on the tapes? Please publish them like you suggested. (mp3's would be ideal) I did some research around the laws regarding taping phone conversations. reading http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html Federal law only requires consent of one party in the call. However some states require consent of both. It becomes interesting on an interstate call. The advice tends to be that it's best to use the most conservative state's rules. see here: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/interstate.html OR only requires one party consent. WA apparently requires both, so it depends on where you were living at the time? However, looking at Florida, you may have an issue. I mention this because it becomes especially dicey if you threaten to "use the tape" in order to extract some behavior. It smacks of blackmail. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976). Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000). In Cohen Brothers, LLC v. ME Corp., S.A., 872 So.2d 321 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2004), the District Court of Appeal for the Third District of Florida held that members of a limited liability company’s (LLC) management committee did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to participation in telephone conference calls with other committee members to discuss continued financing of the LLC, and thus could not hold the committee members liable for recording the conference calls. A federal appellate court has held that because only interceptions made through an “electronic, mechanical or other device” are illegal under Florida law, telephones used in the ordinary course of business to record conversations do not violate the law. The court found that business telephones are not the type of devices addressed in the law and, thus, that a life insurance company did not violate the law when it routinely recorded business-related calls on its business extensions. Royal Health Care Servs., Inc. v. Jefferson-Pilot Life Ins. Co., 924 F.2d 215 (11th Cir. 1991). Anyone whose communications have been illegally intercepted may recover actual damages or $100 for each day of violation or $1,000, whichever is greater, along with punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation costs. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9171 March 24, 2009 I'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9172 March 24, 2009 QuoteI'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... I think Jo might even give consent, just to clear that up. I have no idea what went on 12 years ago, and don't really care. But I'm glad you see what I see: It's not good to be keeping tapes for 12 years and threatening people with them. Sure Jo's a little whacky, and sure she gets her 15 minutes of fame. But heck, look at Larr Carr, and the whole team of Citizen Sleuths on TV recently with their 15 minutes. They've contributed zero to the discussion so far. Now maybe they will, maybe they won't. Who knows. But independent of how whacky Jo can be (we've all seen it, and know that she's not really a set of behaviors to emulate or say is ideal).....there's no reason to keep beating on her. Geez. Especially, when Jerry came on and even though he's been searching for 12 years, he gave us absolutely no information. I mean how are we supposed to react? People come on, sling mud, say they're smart and we're stupid etc. If people can contribute some info, go for it! We're all ears! Plenty of space to post. Plenty of readers. Heck we've all read Bruce's stuff to help him get paid! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9173 March 24, 2009 No, you see what I see, you asshole "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9174 March 24, 2009 Quote No, you see what I see, you asshole :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hangdiver 1 #9175 March 24, 2009 This thread is getting really weird. Jo almost gets banned for calling someone "a Jo" and the poster that actually calls someone an "asshole" gets a free pass. I enjoy reading the "new" info about Cooper but it seems most of the stuff is re-hashed myths or half-truths that have been kicked around so many times they just seem new. My dad was a paratrooper in WW ll, he was 54 in 1971. I am wondering if the FBI ever profiled WW ll vets. My dad was a carpenter and in very good shape in 71'. I'm pretty sure he wasn't Cooper but fit Cooper's description in a general way. He was 6' tall with an olive tan, dark brown receding hair, 180lbs and knew how to put on a parachute. He took me to see the first skydivers I ever saw in Calistoga, Ca. I really never thought about a WW ll vet being Cooper until I realized someone with a similar background and age of my father could have done the hijack. For those of you that are easily confused, don't jump to conclusions about me thinking my dad was Cooper, that's not my point. My point is that Cooper could have been a former WW ll paratrooper. Just a theory I haven't heard. Carry on... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 Next Page 367 of 2623 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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snowmman 3 #9157 March 23, 2009 Quote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Various sources cite Generation X as born between 1965 and 1980, 1961 and 1981, 1964 and 1979, 1963 and 1979, 1965 and 1975 or since the mid-1960s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #9158 March 23, 2009 Quote "I simply was looking for a chance to discuss DB Cooper with an FBI agent in charge of the case, but you would not even allow Sp Agent Larry Carr the freedom to talk, without hurling accusations and allegations at him and the FBI, and on and on and on and on. " Geprger: You have the opportunity NOW at this time to make this thread productive without me - instead of bickering and acting like a chimpanzee - go to work. Show me what you are able to do - Prove who Cooper was? Present your suspect. Sluggo: You accomplished NOTHING. I have had to correct statements you made about Duane and Myself and you ARE the ONE who came to my home...you state errors and then toss in your own theory which makes no sense at all. That makes you another JO, but with techincal knowledge and the education she does not have. Duane Weber did NOT go to WA to search for D.B.Cooper - he would have told his only friend of the time and that friend was not only a working associate but a personal friend during the yrs this would have had to happen. He knew Duane very well and will state that Duane would have BRAGGED about going to WA to look for Coopers Money or his Bones. Lady. Trivia Story: May 1996 - FBI is informed of a suspect in the 1971 HiJacking Sep 1997 - The FBI has never contacted the woman who was involved in that man's life at the time of the HiJacking. She was a living and viable person in Sept 1997. She thought the suspect had been dead for many many yrs prior to being told in Sept 1997 he had passed away in 1995. The two parties speak again the next day - a strange story is told by a very intoxicated person. That story has NEVER been told, due to compassion for the woman who had just discovered the love of her life had live for many yrs unbeknown to her. So you see - I haven't told all of the story...I have kept thing close to me - because I needed proof.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 268 #9159 March 23, 2009 QuoteQuote Gen-Xers always did have systemic imaging problems. Turn yourself in and get fixed. Near miss. I was born in 1959. Cousin Brucie will be happy to know it was Brooklyn! Gen-X is old news anyhow. Quote More distortion & smoke & mirrors. Deception you said is your specialty. The pride in being a deceiver (and the deceived) was evident. Now you need to segway into how Georger's perceptions and claims are always wrong... Your move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #9160 March 23, 2009 Quote When you guys STOP bashing me I will STOP posting Alternatively, if you stop posting you will stop giving reason for people to bash you. Sorry 377, I know you think Jo has stuff to add. Me, I've had my fill of rambling nonsense. Your eloquent well-argued post has gone the way of all the others... Bozo kept on telling me I was hitting my head againts a brick wall, I fear you are doing the same!! Why do people keep on "threatening" to stop posting but never actually do? The pattern is always the same: 1. "i'll stop posting" then 2. (sulkily with lots of bold and/or underlines) "i'm only posting because someone said something about me" then 3. yet another long rambling post about someone or something barely even tangential to the DB Cooper case.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9161 March 23, 2009 Georger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 268 #9162 March 23, 2009 QuoteGeorger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Pretty low level stuff Snow. You can do better (with training). Pick up a course from a local community college. Hey! Did you hear Jo is leaving? Why did you ever respond to me at all, is what I would like to know! More evidence of deprivation I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9163 March 23, 2009 Jo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #9164 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. If I have threatened or offened anyone I apologize. I thought it was me being attacked, but maybe I misread the posts. I had already agreed to only ask questions regarding what the "team" was doing. ( Non-Weber related - just the research). Thank You for allowing me here and I assure you there will be NO posts from me other than to ask a questions.... regarding what the "team" has produced and other questions that might arise.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9165 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. What about the people calling others Idiots and Assholes? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9166 March 23, 2009 georger brought up Gen-X. I am always up for understanding the passions and drives of the next generation. Every generation is different. Responds to different times. Every older generation, whether they like or not, rides the back of the next generation. Sure it's a great idea, that somehow you can kick ass while you're young, and bank away enough of something, so you can give the middle finger to the next generation, and say "You guys don't know how it was done". But that's never true. So Gen X-Y-Z? Hats off to you! See what you can do. The best thing us older folks can do is try to smooth the path a little, whether we think they deserve it or not. There's no other workable alternative. So suck it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9167 March 24, 2009 Jo don't start this again duane never claimed to to be Cooper and you Know it. And you have PM us more than once. If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died. You know the one when You told Jerry that Duane whispered in your ear he knew who cooper was and then you stated that duane got upset and said never mind I'll take it to the grave with me. Then you said to Jerry that you thought it was just his medication talking and asked Jerry if he thought that there may be some thing to this story. Should I go On I just got done listening to the tape. Sound familiar if not I'd be glad to refresh your memory with more of that conversation and let everyone have a copy of that tape and the others we have on tape then they will know the real story and how you have built this fantasy of yours. Would you like me to do that? It would be my pleasure to do so. I would respectfully request that you stop puting Tom Larry /FBI geoger sluggo and all the others down because they do not agree with you.It seems that your scared of all of them to include Jerry for what they know.and it threatens the chances you have for fame.I realy don't wonder why because Iknow why.Please say yes to me sending a copy of all telephone convesatios to everyone or just get off this forum. Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9168 March 24, 2009 "If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died." It's like a virus or a disease. People act like they're perfectly normal, then it turns out they're keeping copies of 12 year old phone conversations, like it actually might have some value. "You're crazy" "No you are" "No you are more" How far does the virus go? "or just get off this forum. Shelly" Shelly, there's only one person here with the off switch, and that's Quade. You can't tell someone to get off the forum. Well I guess you can, but it's kind of pointless. The problem with making dogmatic statements against other posters is that it prompts people like me to respond, just so it doesn't appear that the silence means people agree with you. So it ends up all being a waste of "bandwidth" as they say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #9169 March 24, 2009 Good Bye Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9170 March 24, 2009 Shelly. I'm assuming you have Jo's consent on the tapes? Please publish them like you suggested. (mp3's would be ideal) I did some research around the laws regarding taping phone conversations. reading http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html Federal law only requires consent of one party in the call. However some states require consent of both. It becomes interesting on an interstate call. The advice tends to be that it's best to use the most conservative state's rules. see here: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/interstate.html OR only requires one party consent. WA apparently requires both, so it depends on where you were living at the time? However, looking at Florida, you may have an issue. I mention this because it becomes especially dicey if you threaten to "use the tape" in order to extract some behavior. It smacks of blackmail. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976). Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000). In Cohen Brothers, LLC v. ME Corp., S.A., 872 So.2d 321 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2004), the District Court of Appeal for the Third District of Florida held that members of a limited liability company’s (LLC) management committee did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to participation in telephone conference calls with other committee members to discuss continued financing of the LLC, and thus could not hold the committee members liable for recording the conference calls. A federal appellate court has held that because only interceptions made through an “electronic, mechanical or other device” are illegal under Florida law, telephones used in the ordinary course of business to record conversations do not violate the law. The court found that business telephones are not the type of devices addressed in the law and, thus, that a life insurance company did not violate the law when it routinely recorded business-related calls on its business extensions. Royal Health Care Servs., Inc. v. Jefferson-Pilot Life Ins. Co., 924 F.2d 215 (11th Cir. 1991). Anyone whose communications have been illegally intercepted may recover actual damages or $100 for each day of violation or $1,000, whichever is greater, along with punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation costs. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9171 March 24, 2009 I'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9172 March 24, 2009 QuoteI'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... I think Jo might even give consent, just to clear that up. I have no idea what went on 12 years ago, and don't really care. But I'm glad you see what I see: It's not good to be keeping tapes for 12 years and threatening people with them. Sure Jo's a little whacky, and sure she gets her 15 minutes of fame. But heck, look at Larr Carr, and the whole team of Citizen Sleuths on TV recently with their 15 minutes. They've contributed zero to the discussion so far. Now maybe they will, maybe they won't. Who knows. But independent of how whacky Jo can be (we've all seen it, and know that she's not really a set of behaviors to emulate or say is ideal).....there's no reason to keep beating on her. Geez. Especially, when Jerry came on and even though he's been searching for 12 years, he gave us absolutely no information. I mean how are we supposed to react? People come on, sling mud, say they're smart and we're stupid etc. If people can contribute some info, go for it! We're all ears! Plenty of space to post. Plenty of readers. Heck we've all read Bruce's stuff to help him get paid! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9173 March 24, 2009 No, you see what I see, you asshole "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #9174 March 24, 2009 Quote No, you see what I see, you asshole :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hangdiver 1 #9175 March 24, 2009 This thread is getting really weird. Jo almost gets banned for calling someone "a Jo" and the poster that actually calls someone an "asshole" gets a free pass. I enjoy reading the "new" info about Cooper but it seems most of the stuff is re-hashed myths or half-truths that have been kicked around so many times they just seem new. My dad was a paratrooper in WW ll, he was 54 in 1971. I am wondering if the FBI ever profiled WW ll vets. My dad was a carpenter and in very good shape in 71'. I'm pretty sure he wasn't Cooper but fit Cooper's description in a general way. He was 6' tall with an olive tan, dark brown receding hair, 180lbs and knew how to put on a parachute. He took me to see the first skydivers I ever saw in Calistoga, Ca. I really never thought about a WW ll vet being Cooper until I realized someone with a similar background and age of my father could have done the hijack. For those of you that are easily confused, don't jump to conclusions about me thinking my dad was Cooper, that's not my point. My point is that Cooper could have been a former WW ll paratrooper. Just a theory I haven't heard. Carry on... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 Next Page 367 of 2623 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Orange1 0 #9160 March 23, 2009 Quote When you guys STOP bashing me I will STOP posting Alternatively, if you stop posting you will stop giving reason for people to bash you. Sorry 377, I know you think Jo has stuff to add. Me, I've had my fill of rambling nonsense. Your eloquent well-argued post has gone the way of all the others... Bozo kept on telling me I was hitting my head againts a brick wall, I fear you are doing the same!! Why do people keep on "threatening" to stop posting but never actually do? The pattern is always the same: 1. "i'll stop posting" then 2. (sulkily with lots of bold and/or underlines) "i'm only posting because someone said something about me" then 3. yet another long rambling post about someone or something barely even tangential to the DB Cooper case.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9161 March 23, 2009 Georger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 268 #9162 March 23, 2009 QuoteGeorger: I wasn't clear, are you asking me to share my sexual fantasies about Jo, or are you all set? I already said I figured she was a goer back in the day. What more do you want from me? Drawings? Hey I was reviewing the logs from last night's fork in the toaster Big Ear...It's hard to make out, but I think there's a "Duane is God" message there (I circled) (edit) segue Pretty low level stuff Snow. You can do better (with training). Pick up a course from a local community college. Hey! Did you hear Jo is leaving? Why did you ever respond to me at all, is what I would like to know! More evidence of deprivation I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9163 March 23, 2009 Jo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #9164 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. If I have threatened or offened anyone I apologize. I thought it was me being attacked, but maybe I misread the posts. I had already agreed to only ask questions regarding what the "team" was doing. ( Non-Weber related - just the research). Thank You for allowing me here and I assure you there will be NO posts from me other than to ask a questions.... regarding what the "team" has produced and other questions that might arise.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #9165 March 23, 2009 QuoteJo -- Tone it down or you'll be taking an extended vacation from the thread. What about the people calling others Idiots and Assholes? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9166 March 23, 2009 georger brought up Gen-X. I am always up for understanding the passions and drives of the next generation. Every generation is different. Responds to different times. Every older generation, whether they like or not, rides the back of the next generation. Sure it's a great idea, that somehow you can kick ass while you're young, and bank away enough of something, so you can give the middle finger to the next generation, and say "You guys don't know how it was done". But that's never true. So Gen X-Y-Z? Hats off to you! See what you can do. The best thing us older folks can do is try to smooth the path a little, whether we think they deserve it or not. There's no other workable alternative. So suck it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #9167 March 24, 2009 Jo don't start this again duane never claimed to to be Cooper and you Know it. And you have PM us more than once. If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died. You know the one when You told Jerry that Duane whispered in your ear he knew who cooper was and then you stated that duane got upset and said never mind I'll take it to the grave with me. Then you said to Jerry that you thought it was just his medication talking and asked Jerry if he thought that there may be some thing to this story. Should I go On I just got done listening to the tape. Sound familiar if not I'd be glad to refresh your memory with more of that conversation and let everyone have a copy of that tape and the others we have on tape then they will know the real story and how you have built this fantasy of yours. Would you like me to do that? It would be my pleasure to do so. I would respectfully request that you stop puting Tom Larry /FBI geoger sluggo and all the others down because they do not agree with you.It seems that your scared of all of them to include Jerry for what they know.and it threatens the chances you have for fame.I realy don't wonder why because Iknow why.Please say yes to me sending a copy of all telephone convesatios to everyone or just get off this forum. Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9168 March 24, 2009 "If you would like I can send every one a copy of all our telephone conversations from the first time you called us just after duane died." It's like a virus or a disease. People act like they're perfectly normal, then it turns out they're keeping copies of 12 year old phone conversations, like it actually might have some value. "You're crazy" "No you are" "No you are more" How far does the virus go? "or just get off this forum. Shelly" Shelly, there's only one person here with the off switch, and that's Quade. You can't tell someone to get off the forum. Well I guess you can, but it's kind of pointless. The problem with making dogmatic statements against other posters is that it prompts people like me to respond, just so it doesn't appear that the silence means people agree with you. So it ends up all being a waste of "bandwidth" as they say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #9169 March 24, 2009 Good Bye Shelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9170 March 24, 2009 Shelly. I'm assuming you have Jo's consent on the tapes? Please publish them like you suggested. (mp3's would be ideal) I did some research around the laws regarding taping phone conversations. reading http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html Federal law only requires consent of one party in the call. However some states require consent of both. It becomes interesting on an interstate call. The advice tends to be that it's best to use the most conservative state's rules. see here: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/interstate.html OR only requires one party consent. WA apparently requires both, so it depends on where you were living at the time? However, looking at Florida, you may have an issue. I mention this because it becomes especially dicey if you threaten to "use the tape" in order to extract some behavior. It smacks of blackmail. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976). Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000). In Cohen Brothers, LLC v. ME Corp., S.A., 872 So.2d 321 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2004), the District Court of Appeal for the Third District of Florida held that members of a limited liability company’s (LLC) management committee did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to participation in telephone conference calls with other committee members to discuss continued financing of the LLC, and thus could not hold the committee members liable for recording the conference calls. A federal appellate court has held that because only interceptions made through an “electronic, mechanical or other device” are illegal under Florida law, telephones used in the ordinary course of business to record conversations do not violate the law. The court found that business telephones are not the type of devices addressed in the law and, thus, that a life insurance company did not violate the law when it routinely recorded business-related calls on its business extensions. Royal Health Care Servs., Inc. v. Jefferson-Pilot Life Ins. Co., 924 F.2d 215 (11th Cir. 1991). Anyone whose communications have been illegally intercepted may recover actual damages or $100 for each day of violation or $1,000, whichever is greater, along with punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation costs. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #9171 March 24, 2009 I'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9172 March 24, 2009 QuoteI'd like to hear them too. Since Shelly doesn't post here anymore, where can she publish them? Youtube might be good - some video or pictures of Shelly battered, bruised and beaten from Jo's abuse might add to the experience... I think Jo might even give consent, just to clear that up. I have no idea what went on 12 years ago, and don't really care. But I'm glad you see what I see: It's not good to be keeping tapes for 12 years and threatening people with them. Sure Jo's a little whacky, and sure she gets her 15 minutes of fame. But heck, look at Larr Carr, and the whole team of Citizen Sleuths on TV recently with their 15 minutes. They've contributed zero to the discussion so far. Now maybe they will, maybe they won't. Who knows. But independent of how whacky Jo can be (we've all seen it, and know that she's not really a set of behaviors to emulate or say is ideal).....there's no reason to keep beating on her. Geez. Especially, when Jerry came on and even though he's been searching for 12 years, he gave us absolutely no information. I mean how are we supposed to react? People come on, sling mud, say they're smart and we're stupid etc. If people can contribute some info, go for it! We're all ears! Plenty of space to post. Plenty of readers. Heck we've all read Bruce's stuff to help him get paid! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #9173 March 24, 2009 No, you see what I see, you asshole "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #9174 March 24, 2009 Quote No, you see what I see, you asshole :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hangdiver 1 #9175 March 24, 2009 This thread is getting really weird. Jo almost gets banned for calling someone "a Jo" and the poster that actually calls someone an "asshole" gets a free pass. I enjoy reading the "new" info about Cooper but it seems most of the stuff is re-hashed myths or half-truths that have been kicked around so many times they just seem new. My dad was a paratrooper in WW ll, he was 54 in 1971. I am wondering if the FBI ever profiled WW ll vets. My dad was a carpenter and in very good shape in 71'. I'm pretty sure he wasn't Cooper but fit Cooper's description in a general way. He was 6' tall with an olive tan, dark brown receding hair, 180lbs and knew how to put on a parachute. He took me to see the first skydivers I ever saw in Calistoga, Ca. I really never thought about a WW ll vet being Cooper until I realized someone with a similar background and age of my father could have done the hijack. For those of you that are easily confused, don't jump to conclusions about me thinking my dad was Cooper, that's not my point. My point is that Cooper could have been a former WW ll paratrooper. Just a theory I haven't heard. Carry on... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
