DB Cooper

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Jo has toned down. Not certain if I can pinpoint the cause. It does coincide with Jerry and Shelly's warnings, but who knows?

377

I toned down because I am tired. It had nothing to do with Jerry or Shelly because - I know I have done nothing wrong and that I have consistently told the same story yr after yr and with some new developments.

I have had to play with different senarios and with new information and the theories (as everyone one else in this case had done) - none of those constitute purgery and none of those constitue a lie on my part.

For Jerry's information - I have never taken a dime for the documentaries I did. One group paid for me to go to WA...that was their idea. Another time the producer bought me lunch. In 13 yrs I have not taken compensation nor have I attempted to do a Wanna Be Book.

By the way, I keep wondering why Jerry is so upset. He has always claimed he was trying to find Cooper or his money, yet he refused to let the public know the sites I told him about do exist. Now he has gone to the extremes of saying I lied about my witnesses on that trip and told me he tried to contact one of the individuals who went with me...and that this person did not exist.

My name is Jo Weber and I am not Dan Cooper.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

"My name is Jo Weber and I am not Dan Cooper."

I'm smiling Jo. You can be funny.

It's interesting to review the roll call of the players who've been in the papers or tv around the Cooper thing.

Ralph Himmelsbach.
Jerry Thomas (first press 1996)
Jo Weber (first press 2000?)
Tom Kaye
Larry Carr
Sluggo_monster (well, just a little pic and shoutout..doesn't really count)
Tosaw (since book 1984)
Galen Cook (in press starting 2008?)


And I get crap for posting to a little web forum. :)

Cossey sounds smarter and smarter as the years go by. Only give crap to the media, there's no point!

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none of those constitute purgery

Jo,

Relax. Stop worrying about perjury. Unless you lied under oath (like when testifying in court or signing a false affidavit) then you have not committed perjury.

Hope you sleep better now.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[skyjack71 0]

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And I get crap for posting to a little web forum. :)

As for me - for all it matters, I think you do count - logically and illogically - reasonable and unreasonable - what is written and what is not - what is fact and what is theory and what is myth? You explore all the information and make decisions or make debates.

It is people like you who will discover Cooper - some will miss it first or second or third time around and later who knows what they will find. "My Baboon" might even have stumbled across a clue or two he didn't recognize, but in the end the results will be "Who was Dan Cooper?" Who will debate this 20 yrs from now and who will they think is Cooper?

It could be very possible that someone found Coopers "money" and decided to just keep it, but threw some in the river to make sure everyone thought he died. Perhaps this person (male or female) was able to take it to Puerto Rico or someplace like that a little at a time ... wash it in the Casinos and go back to the states.

When was hunting season in 1971 and 1972? What kind of game do they hunt? Did they have to have a hunting license? Maybe a hunter or fisherman came upon the money, but no body and decided to keep the money - but throw some it in a river so no one would know what he had done. Maybe this hunter or fisherman found a body and buried it upon that old hill on private property.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Absolutely do not have a problem with anything - the least of which is Jerry or his accusations.

In my ramblings recently I got to thinking real hard about the places Duane took me to - something he said but, I need to talk to someone who REALLY knows Wa and I don't mean Jerry.

"My Baboon" talked about Indian burial mounds or something like that - could someone post pictures of Indian burial grounds in WA - not a scenic trip thing, but one that a hunter or developer came upon and didn't want to disturb - such as the one's it was pointed out that the timber industry would not tell about.

I need to see what these looked like - could they be marked with a Rock that sort of looked out of place in the area it was in? Or are these rocks just natural in a field or orchard or wooded area around the LaCames area? If an area was cleared for farm land or an orchard would they not have cleared ALL of the rock - why leave ones that are maybe 12 x 12 and larger - and they were spread out over approx one acre - looked hauntingly similar to a cementary with large trees abounding in and around them - actually a very pretty place.

I describe this place to Jerry yrs and yrs ago - only to be told it didn't exist....this is the first time I have referred to it as anything other than what may have been an old homestead (no remanents of a building) or orchard. Sort of odd that this clearing, Orchard or whatever, was at the top of this hill with a creek running down the East side of it. The perfect resting place...so peaceful.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Just ran into another pic of an ingram fragment just recently pieced together.

We had discussed this, but just noticed this one was interesting, because it has fine holes and large holes, and maybe the holes caused by decomposition isn't a bad theory.

Don't know. Odd they're not uniform though.

[skyjack71 0]

In Tosaw's book that number was recorded as one of the bills:
L72 525838B 63A Next to the last page. I am guessing you are saying that is now recorded as one of the bills found.

Think about this that number is approx 260 from the last recorded bill - that makes it counting to $5200 from the bottom or the top of the stack depending on which way the money was packed and recorded.

This made me wonder how many bills where in a pack and did the FBI make public the OTHER numbers they found. Was there 100 $20's in each rubber band? Or was it less or more. I do not imagin banding any less than 100 in a stack, but who know - I am not normal.

What I am trying to find out is how random are the numbers of the bills they found. Are they dispersed thru out the entire range of numbers given to Cooper or only on the last numbers recorded. This should be an indicator of - and if all of the bill were in the Columbia or if it was only certain packets.

Does anyone understand what I am trying to say and ask - remember I do not assimilate information the way everyone else does (just call me crazy) and perhaps this has already been discussed or investigated by the FBI.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Does anyone understand what I am trying to say and ask...

Yes, and it's a very good question. May have been covered before, but if anyone knows....

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[snowmman 3]

The Tosaw list is obviously a sorted list.

The numbers are not sequential. There are gaps.
But it's sorted.

We're told the money was random.

It's very unlikely that anything about the order in the Tosaw list has anything to do with the bundle order.

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We're told the money was random.

I assume you mean ALL of the money, and not just the recovered money.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[snowmman 3]

I did a search. And Ckret didn't strictly say random order, but he did say different bill counts in each bundle. And he did say the order was never documented. So I guess I had a false memory. The answer is "we don't know", I guess.

ckret had posted:
"It is my understanding the money was wraped in rubber bands, no paper bands. the money was put together in different bill counts so it looked as if it was put together in a hurry."

ckret also posted:
"....but the order per serial number was never documented. There is no indication the money was re-bundled. "

While searching, I found this funny post from Ckret when I first started posting. It's interesting that he actually thought that this forum was about something useful at the time (that I was disrupting).

Why do people think Ckret was posting here in the first place? Did he get what he was looking for?

Ckret said:
"You could be a valued member here, but your asking questions and making statements that have been discussed. Go back and read the posts, if something new pops up bring it, it would be great to have a fresh look. But your not bringing anything new and it takes energy and time no one has to bring you up to speed. "

but then later Ckret also said:
"I don’t want to speak for Geoff, but he was lurking here at my advise for research. So much good work was/is being done that I did not want him to miss it. "

So Ckret must have found something new here. Perplexing.
What did Ckret find that was new? Maybe just stuff that was already in the files? Or not???


In looking back thru the thread, its also curious how there's a constant refrain that implies communication is inferior on the web. For this Cooper thing, is it? Was there superior communication happening on the Cooper thing before the web?
Interesting question.

Larry did get frustrated with stuff here. He must have had a goal. What was the goal? To publish Cooper data to bring in tips? Was that the sole goal? To somehow dredge up expert knowledge he wasn't privy to otherwise?

Didn't Larry post here for social reasons, just like everyone?

Larry said at one time:
"I have no idea (Larry mumbling to himself) how I allowed myself to get sucked onto this but I am pulling myself out. If you have a question I will answer it the best I can. I will leave the rest to the genius of this forum, I am simply out of energy. "

[snowmman 3]

I'm posting again, because there's a fine question here we've tripped over a number of times, but never answered in detail.

A lot of times, like with Safe, we say the FBI had an army of people, 1000 suspects (or whatever) and they did a good effort. And they used experts and they concluded Cooper died.

Now if that is true, than Safe is right about "armchair logic". It's pointless, since nothing we can think hadn't already been thought about.

But, if we actually know something new, then it's likely the FBI assessment is wrong.

Do we know anything that's new? I don't think so.

So all we can really do is second-guess the FBI data.

Here's my point: I think Ckret's frustration was not from the forum, the people, or the web, or his busyness.

I think the frustration was from having to deal with the conflict that the FBI files said one thing, but when you looked at the data, today, it said another thing.

Otherwise, why would you be stressed? You'd just dump all the Cooper data out to a bunch of web forums, say "does this remind you of anyone" ...and just ignore people's questions..i.e. once you dump all the data, there's no one out there you're interested in hearing opinions from. Because your experts were better.

So that's the conflict. The FBI files are weak. The investigation was weak, and the conclusion is wrong.

There's no other reason for Ckret to be so frustrated. It only takes a couple posts to dump a good investigation's information. Or have an FBI guy create a web page.

I think what Ckret wanted was to be able to close the case. (even just to say it was obvious where the dead body would have been). And it became obvious he couldn't.

His plan that he outlined, focused on finding a dead guy.
Ckret posted:

"By the way, the main focus of the investigation to date has been on the living, that has not worked. Over 1000 people have been looked at and not one was risen to the surface. "


In another post Ckret said:

"It got there after 74 and was protected to some extent until discovery in 80. There is nothing that would point to it being placed there by someone (although it can be considered as an alternative once the most probable has been explored). Armed with new facts we can adjust, correct or pull into sharper focus what was once thought to be fact.

The money is the area of the case that has been least investigated and should be the focus because it may lead to bones, which lead to DNA, which lead to race and ethnic profile, which leads to familial confirmation and resolution (wouldn't that be something). "


You can see Ckret had bones on the brain.

Ckret pointed the finger at us being the problem. And we believed him. That's what was wrong. We were never the problem.

(edit) Jerry theorized about great agents. A great agent would have been able to handle this situation.

The most optimal thing for us, would be to get the case handed to a new agent.

[georger 258]

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I'm posting again, because there's a fine question here we've tripped over a number of times, but never answered in detail.

A lot of times, like with Safe, we say the FBI had an army of people, 1000 suspects (or whatever) and they did a good effort. And they used experts and they concluded Cooper died.

Now if that is true, than Safe is right about "armchair logic". It's pointless, since nothing we can think hadn't already been thought about.

But, if we actually know something new, then it's likely the FBI assessment is wrong.

Do we know anything that's new? I don't think so.

So all we can really do is second-guess the FBI data.

Here's my point: I think Ckret's frustration was not from the forum, the people, or the web, or his busyness.

I think the frustration was from having to deal with the conflict that the FBI files said one thing, but when you looked at the data, today, it said another thing.

Otherwise, why would you be stressed? You'd just dump all the Cooper data out to a bunch of web forums, say "does this remind you of anyone" ...and just ignore people's questions..i.e. once you dump all the data, there's no one out there you're interested in hearing opinions from. Because your experts were better.

So that's the conflict. The FBI files are weak. The investigation was weak, and the conclusion is wrong.

There's no other reason for Ckret to be so frustrated. It only takes a couple posts to dump a good investigation's information. Or have an FBI guy create a web page.

I think what Ckret wanted was to be able to close the case. (even just to say it was obvious where the dead body would have been). And it became obvious he couldn't.

His plan that he outlined, focused on finding a dead guy.
Ckret posted:

"By the way, the main focus of the investigation to date has been on the living, that has not worked. Over 1000 people have been looked at and not one was risen to the surface. "


In another post Ckret said:

"It got there after 74 and was protected to some extent until discovery in 80. There is nothing that would point to it being placed there by someone (although it can be considered as an alternative once the most probable has been explored). Armed with new facts we can adjust, correct or pull into sharper focus what was once thought to be fact.

The money is the area of the case that has been least investigated and should be the focus because it may lead to bones, which lead to DNA, which lead to race and ethnic profile, which leads to familial confirmation and resolution (wouldn't that be something). "


You can see Ckret had bones on the brain.

Ckret pointed the finger at us being the problem. And we believed him. That's what was wrong. We were never the problem.

(edit) Jerry theorized about great agents. A great agent would have been able to handle this situation.

The most optimal thing for us, would be to get the case handed to a new agent.

Us? Speak for yourself. Its nothing but manic bullshit here.

[snowmman 3]

Hi Georger.

I was speaking for myself.

Were you saying that I am manic bullshit (and everyone else) and I can't recognize it?

Or were you saying something about yourself.

Open up Georger. Why do you post here? I'm trying to guess why Ckret posted.
I enjoy the social aspects.
You seem like a bombastic old man. Why post?

[snowmman 3]

I was thinking it's kind of two-faced of me, to attack the behavior of others, when people ask me questions like "who am I" and I don't respond.

Like Orange1 said about herself, I'm just another boring person. There's nothing there.

But if anyone wants to know, I'll tell them.

Sluggo and 377 already know my name. It's nothing. Personally I'm surprised at you people who don't value personal privacy.
But I guess I don't want to let other people's views of "how things are" dominate here.

Because people here are wrong about the world and the people in it.

[1969912 0]

Sluggo and Jo know my real name, but I generally keep it private because of posts like this.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[georger 258]

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I was thinking it's kind of two-faced of me, to attack the behavior of others, when people ask me questions like "who am I" and I don't respond.

Like Orange1 said about herself, I'm just another boring person. There's nothing there.

But if anyone wants to know, I'll tell them.

Sluggo and 377 already know my name. It's nothing. Personally I'm surprised at you people who don't value personal privacy.
But I guess I don't want to let other people's views of "how things are" dominate here.

Because people here are wrong about the world and the people in it.

what drugs are you on?

should we send out a search party?

[snowmman 3]

This is going to sound strange, but there's 4 folks that I actually find kind of inspiring.

1) 377: Like I say, he's the rock. I've never met him. Probably will some day.

2) Jo: Sure's she's whacked out about this Cooper thing. But so what. Yeah she's made people's lives difficult, but those people should have been able to deal with it. I'm inspired by her ability to pick herself up. She's unique. That's inspiration enough.

3) Orange1: It's easy to forget how US centric and male centric so much crap is. Orange1 just rides thru all that, nonplussed. Shows why females with brains are going to dominate.

4) Cooper: He had balls, and went for it. Who cares if he died or not.

What depresses me:

Georger: Its like seeing the ghost of christmas future, at least in my imagination. I have no idea what georger is really like, but don't want to be it.

Jerry: Jerry is fighting battles that basically date to the same period Jo is. At least Jo was married to a guy who died and screwed her over. Jerry's got no excuse.

Ckret: It's fine to be a working Joe. But it's depressing to realize the FBI is what the rumors are.

Himmelsbach: Don't see anything to respect.

Tom Kaye: He had his choice to go with the dark side, or not, and he picked the dark side.

Sluggo: He's just a little too clingy. He's probably an okay guy though.

Myself: I realize that here, I'm just as bad, and I can do better. So I start today.

[BruceSmith 3]

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Bruce, what 's your psych take on the lack of a gun?
Most hijackers carried guns.

377

On the quick take, I would say another Gentleman Bandit has struck again!

Going a little deeper, I think there is an enormous difference between a bomb and a gun, psychodynamically. With a gun, you gotta look directly at the indivudal you're shooting. That's intimate, albeit violent.

With a bomb however, the intimacy is diffused. It's like the differnce between a group hug (like we do here, verbally) and a kiss. It's hard to kiss 36 people all at the same time, but it's easy to kill them simultaneouly at 10,000 feet with the loaded briefcase. The core relationship, its supporting emotions, and the overall psychological structure of the action are really quite different.

I've had people shoot at me, and once a knife into my throat. Never a bomb under my nose, though. Hmmm. Not sure I have a preference.

That siad, I do prefer guys who make their killing personal, over corporations and bureaucracies who do so in more subtle ways. I'll take DB over the Federal Reserve any day.

Hell, I probably would have helped Danny put his chute on, and bummed the full ride to Mexico.

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I did a search. And Ckret didn't strictly say random order, but he did say different bill counts in each bundle. And he did say the order was never documented. So I guess I had a false memory. The answer is "we don't know", I guess.

IIRC they recorded the serial numbers by photographing the bills, to save time. Presumably the bills were bundled then in roughly at least the same order they were photographed. Do the original photos still exist? - this may give a clue as to the order they were bundled in.

On a different tack, it seems to me there is still a lack of understanding about dollar bills "disappearing" through laundering. Laundering exists to remove the chain of connection - it does not make money vanish entirely. The dollar bills will generally not "disappear" unless they end up in a country where they are in such use by the general population that they disintegrate somewhere there (and we have seen this might be the case in SE Asia and Africa for example at the relevant time). But if they get back into the banking system, no matter what country they were used in - as they would if they were used to buy goods in stores (where the owners have bank accounts), casinos etc - most of them would eventually find their way back to the Fed for destruction/replacement. So I guess really what the main question is, is this: was anyone at the Fed keeping a watch for the Cooper serial numbers among the bills that were brought back for replacement?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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This is going to sound strange, but there's 4 folks that I actually find kind of inspiring.

1) 377: Like I say, he's the rock. I've never met him. Probably will some day.

2) Jo: Sure's she's whacked out about this Cooper thing. But so what. Yeah she's made people's lives difficult, but those people should have been able to deal with it. I'm inspired by her ability to pick herself up. She's unique. That's inspiration enough.

3) Orange1: It's easy to forget how US centric and male centric so much crap is. Orange1 just rides thru all that, nonplussed. Shows why females with brains are going to dominate.

4) Cooper: He had balls, and went for it. Who cares if he died or not.

What depresses me:

Georger: Its like seeing the ghost of christmas future, at least in my imagination. I have no idea what georger is really like, but don't want to be it.

Jerry: Jerry is fighting battles that basically date to the same period Jo is. At least Jo was married to a guy who died and screwed her over. Jerry's got no excuse.

Ckret: It's fine to be a working Joe. But it's depressing to realize the FBI is what the rumors are.

Himmelsbach: Don't see anything to respect.

Tom Kaye: He had his choice to go with the dark side, or not, and he picked the dark side.

Sluggo: He's just a little too clingy. He's probably an okay guy though.

Myself: I realize that here, I'm just as bad, and I can do better. So I start today.

Quade must be in love with you!

So, in a word we are all worthless to you except for
377 and Jo.
Thanks for letting us know. Honesty is 99% of contumely. I sure hope you are speaking for 377
and Jo! But it no longer matters, as you know.

We will act accordingly now. Good luck with YOUR and
Quades' forum.

[nigel99 578]

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I was thinking it's kind of two-faced of me, to attack the behavior of others, when people ask me questions like "who am I" and I don't respond.

Like Orange1 said about herself, I'm just another boring person. There's nothing there.

But if anyone wants to know, I'll tell them.

Sluggo and 377 already know my name. It's nothing. Personally I'm surprised at you people who don't value personal privacy.
But I guess I don't want to let other people's views of "how things are" dominate here.

Because people here are wrong about the world and the people in it.

this event http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=1419687;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; was a major wakeup call to me. I will NEVER disclose personal details on a forum either in public or by PM.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[377 22]

Snow's list shows an anti FBI bias. Anyone who is/was a DBC SA is on the B list but also anyone who is close to or respects a DBC SA gets on the B list too.

I am anti authoritarian and admit my bias. I think cops are too often bullies and it really pisses me off. I don't, however, automatically put Carr or Himmelsbach or their friends or associates on my B list.

If I were chummy with Ralph or Larry and on their A list, I think that would edge me towards Snows B list. The variables should be more orthogonal and independent.

Carr is a smart guy. We had a more productive forum with him than without him. He misses stuff, has undisclosed agendas and has a Cooper is dead bias, but I give him a lot of credit for doing what he did in his spare time. Look at the time stamps on some of his posts. That shows something very admirable. The guy has a deadly serious day job and still found time to work with us on this "fantasy football" type project. Larry has DBC fever and he has access to ALL the FBI stuff, not just what they care to publicize. That combo was a valuable resource. I worked defending accused criminals in court and gained a grudging respect for some cops, the ones who could figure things out and put together a case I just couldn't beat. Larry does that regularly in his day job, so let's not be too quick to criticize how he approaches his unpaid night job.

I know very little about Himmelsbach but I have respect for him. Here's why:

First, he flew P 40s and P 51s in the military. These high powered tail dragger fighters were a handful and took a combo of brains and balls to fly successfully. Look at how many doctors and lawyers have died flying postwar restored versions that had most of the heavy military ordinance and radio gear removed. The P 51 was arguably the SR 71 of WW 2. Also, H's flight experience tells me that he has some serious "sky smarts" and has applied them to the Cooper mystery.

Second, a retired FBI SA I know who is smart as hell gives H a thumbs up. He calls a spade a spade and has no reason to kiss any FBI butts.

I like Snow. His sarcasm and confrontational nature don't bother me. He can drop it though and befriend the unloved. Look at how protective he is of Jo these days. Snow has the seeds of warmth and redemption, they just need a little more sun to bloom. His name is hardly "nothing." If you knew it and Googled it you would see that he has accomplished a lot professionally in a very difficult and competitive highly technical field. Anyone using the Internet has directly benefited from his inventions. He was the principle architect on a very complex and highly respected hard core technical product. Yes, he really is THAT SMART. If you got to know him off the forum you'd see a likable guy as hard as that may be for some to believe.

Jerry is on Snows B list but Jerry doesn't care one bit. He won't take Snows bait period and shares my opinion regarding Snow's intellect. Jerry's military training and local knowledge count a lot in my book. I don't dismiss what he says even if my initial opinion is very contrary. It would be such a kick if Jerry actually found some Cooper stuff on one of his treks and I don't rule out the possibility. His handling of Snow is classic judo.

Jo is obsessed with her Duane solution, but she isn't evil, just irritating to some. I admire her pluck. She gets beaten down and pops back up every time. She seems to have a less dogmatic outlook lately. I actually enjoy dialog with her.

Sluggo is also a very high IQ guy and has a truly great sense of humor. He also has an open mind and a good knowledge of hard science. If the FBI had consulted Sluggo during the chute collection and was willing to bend a few NRC rules, Cooper would have been hot and very traceable, no matter where he jumped. I don't agree with the "clingy" diagnosis. His attractive website is an underutilized resource which has the potential of being a non wacked out alternative to this forum as a beacon for people who might help solve the DBC mystery.

Orange is great. We all have a crush on her and for good reason. Who wouldn't have one on a brainy girl jumper who is 727 covert ops savvy? Her findings on smoke jumper CIA links still intrigue me and leave tantalizing clues. She puts her powerful brain to good use far outside her area of professional expertise. Orange thinks with a razor and analyzes with a scalpel. Bet her baby is a brainiac!

Tom is really smart and creative. Look at his patents and you will see what I mean. He doesn't get rattled and steers his own course. He is patient, so unlike the rest of us who want everything at 3 AM yesterday. He admits mistakes and is one of those rare scientists (and yes, i think it is appropriate to call him one) who sees as much value in a negative experimental result as a positive one. I'm am glad he is here and communicates what he can about what he is doing. There is a HUGE value in attracting new people to the case and his "fishing with money" was pure PR genius towards accomplishing that goal.

Georger is very smart too. Do I overuse the smart tag? Not one bit. The average IQ here is very high. He and I mix it up sometimes, but it is usually from a misunderstanding rather than from dislike. Georger is a man of moods, but when he is in a positive one he brings a lot to the table. Georger actually got the FBI to give critical DBC evidence to an outsider for analysis while we were sitting around mumbling, griping and Googling. WOW!!! Snow and I couldn't get the time of day from the FBI let alone a Cooper 20 or DNA sample. My boy works in a lab that could sequence DNA so I'd love to have access. How about getting me a sample Georger?

I don't have a B list, really. I like all of the people on this forum. Let's not forget the old school jumpers who log on from time to time to check on our sanity and correct our misconceptions. Guru, Nitro, Hooper, Airtwardo and the many others, thank you. Oh, and Safe, a fine mind and sorely missed. Come back!

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I'm not familar with how the federal rules work, but for state laws/crimes the statute of limitations runs for 7 years (for felonies). The "clock" can be stopped by filing an indictment in court (as was done in the Cooper case) or by proof that the criminal was out of state - tax records, prison records, ect.

I searched around and can't find it, but IIRC, the money was pre-assembled at the bank specifically for ransom purposes (it was part of the cash reserves the bank had to keep anyway). The serial numbers had been recorded, but I don't remember that the bills were photocopied or photographed. The cash was then wrapped in rubber bands in irregular sized bundles to make it look as if it was done in a hurry.

Again, searched and can't find - the US Treasury does not record the SNs of old worn cash it destroys. It is quite possible for the Cooper cash to have been used, worn out, and subsequently destroyed here in the US without ever being detected.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Orange1 0]

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I'm not familar with how the federal rules work, but for state laws/crimes the statute of limitations runs for 7 years (for felonies). The "clock" can be stopped by filing an indictment in court (as was done in the Cooper case) or by proof that the criminal was out of state - tax records, prison records, ect.

I searched around and can't find it, but IIRC, the money was pre-assembled at the bank specifically for ransom purposes (it was part of the cash reserves the bank had to keep anyway). The serial numbers had been recorded, but I don't remember that the bills were photocopied or photographed. The cash was then wrapped in rubber bands in irregular sized bundles to make it look as if it was done in a hurry.

Again, searched and can't find - the US Treasury does not record the SNs of old worn cash it destroys. It is quite possible for the Cooper cash to have been used, worn out, and subsequently destroyed here in the US without ever being detected.

Ckret on the fact that tellers at banks would have to manually scan the bills for the SNs. He didn't say anything about the Fed:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3099527;search_string=bills;#3099527

and yes you're right about the numbers being prerecorded:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3029831;search_string=bills;#3029831

On Jo toning it down, she says because she's tired. Yes maybe, tired of what is the question. A number of people noticed it happened around the same time Jerry/Shelly started posting. Of course we here already know how Jo changes stories and tactics to fit her agenda. There is more than one poster she has been complimentary to in a PM directed at them (usually when she wants something) and then been very nasty about the same person in a PM directed to someone else. While I doubt anyone would break protocol by publicly posting contents of a PM, they can and do get discussed privately (obviously depending on subject; some are clearly meant to, and do, remain completely confidential).

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.