DB Cooper

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Funny thing Snow, I too was thinking Cd and other metals which might be rig related. Wouldn't that be something if our guess was correct?

Still, how would you know if it was from some dumped Nicad batteries or rig hardware? Maybe a metalurgist could distinguish by Ni content.

If there is rig related metal on the money it argues in favor of a fatal landing where the rig and the money stayed in close proximity long enough for contamination of the money by the rig metals. Very unlikely, but fun to speculate about while we wait for tight lipped Tom to give us tantilizing tidbits from his investigation.

Hey Snow, you don't have to bash the FBI 24/7/365. NOBODY will ever accuse you of kissing FBI butt so cut em a little slack. I know, you did throw some props to Special Agent C. in Utah.

I have an old friend who is an ex FBI SA. He has given me some insight into the agency. It does have some very smart people in its ranks. He is killer smart, even you would agree. He regularly worked with SAs smarter than himself.

They are hiring Snow. You can apply online.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[1969912 0]

"WOW! Perry Stevens taught me how to skydive....."

Great stories! Thanks.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[snowmman 3]

"Hey Snow, you don't have to bash the FBI 24/7/365. NOBODY will ever accuse you of kissing FBI butt so cut em a little slack. I know, you did throw some props to Special Agent C. in Utah. "

I did say that Larry looked good in that recent picture, also.
I'm a little worried Jerry will think I have a wandering eye :)

(edit) Alan Stone is the real deal. He's done some weird science with meteorites and old bronze arrowheads here:

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/metallography/gallery3.html

The director of Aston Metallurgical Services in Wheeling, Ill., ALAN STONE, makes his living by helping clients solve their metal-related problems. One such problem is "metal dusting," a situation in industrial settings in which the surfaces of furnace tubes, processing tubes, and other metal components turn to dust, sometimes with catastrophic results.

Images 1 and 2 in this gallery depict some microscale signs of metal dusting in a furnace tube. Image 3 shows a weld joining two pieces of copper tubing. The individual grains of the metal on each side of the weld are visible as irregular shapes with thin boundaries. Image 4 shows the mix of phases that form when ductile iron is hardened through a hot-flame process. Images 5 and 6 reveal the dendritic, or branched, grains of an ancient bronze arrowhead that Stone bought but couldn't help cutting up to examine metallographically. Dendritic grains form in some cast metals as they solidify from the melted state. The final three images, 7–9, are from metal that made its way from outer space to Earth in three different meteorites and finally into Stone's hands.

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Snowmman you stated this in a prior email:

Last year, Carr sent Kaye a sample of the tattered hijacking currency that remains in FBI custody. Kaye did a chemical analysis of the $20 bills and said he discovered a "unique chemical marker," a compound that explained how the bills degraded and could possibly point to where they had been. He declined to identify the compound because he said it could be a key finding in the scientific paper he plans to write about the investigation.

"I'm trying to determine where that (compound) exists in nature," Kaye said.


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I wonder what that unique chemical marker is? - Betcha I know.

Something I have tried to tell the FBI for yrs - he money was NOT always in the Columbia.

Perhaps a container near the river EAST of where Winterly park is currently located. That chemical marker could be leaching from the container or the trees growning there or from residue the container once held.

There is one other possible place the money was buried and that would have been where Duane went that morning he dissapeared from the The Dalles for 5 1/2 hrs returing soiled. This means it was more than likely buried inland - perhaps toward Mt. Hood.

I have had others speculate he could have drove all the way to Vancouver, but that didn't make sense because why would he push for us to make The Dalles - because where he had to go was not too far from there - the Dalles was probably the closest. If he had gone onto Vancouver that day he would not have been able to take me on that sentiment trail he wanted to "live over one more time".

I do not know where he could have gone from The Dalles that morning - but it definitely was not into Washougal were we went later that day - because he almost missed his turn since the intersection had changed on Hwy 14 to get to Washougal...that is a red flag he had not been there earlier that morning.

I will go to a part of that trip I didn't think too important but now in retrospect I think it might be very important:

ATTENTION MR. KAYE
He mentioned Mt. Hood and the Hood River - but actually I think he had already been there earlier that day - the other option is on Highway 14 on the Washington side - He mentioned how rugged the country was there - and pointed out a ridge - telling me there was a cave of sorts there
....it was at this point he said there is nothing but forest for a few miles. Later we arrive at the turn off for Washougal. You know the rest of the story.

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That chemical marker could be leaching from the container or the trees growning there or from residue the container once held.

1- from the container
2- some residue in the container
3- or something outside the container.

That narrowed it right down.

It is something either inside of, or outside of the container,
or maybe just the container itself.

If I say it is something inside my car, or outside
of my car, or something from my car. Same effect.

That is the basic description of everything in the universe.

Of course, later I can claim that I was absolutely right.


"Scientists have determined that something was on the money."

"See? Told ya."

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They talked about how some agents thought the magazines weren't processed properly. The author says Cooper was seen reading the magazines while they were circling Seattle, but unclear if that's true based on what Ckret said.

They said the prints found were unusable (which they expected) as Ckret said. They didn't mention getting prints off the magazines, although I think maybe the FBI guys were holding back, thinking maybe they did get something off the magazines.

Okay - you guys have wanted to know what I was holding and now I will tell you PART of it. The FBI will never disclose this, but from what I have I feel I am right.

Cooper was reading something, but it was NOT a magazine, but something else entirely. It was a book - but not just a regular book - it had a plastic spiral binding and the cover was gold. He knew his prints where on that item so he took it with him.

I give up, the FBI will not listen to me and a lot of this is not in their "secret" files. For 13 yrs they have done nothing but try to discredit me.

I have been lied to by several individuals recently - How STUPID I am to allow myself to be used. One has deliberately tried to manuever me and for the most part was sucessful. The other is someone I trusted - but he lied to me and I trusted him. No one tells the truth anymore - everyone is out just for themselves and the FBI doesn't want this case solved.

What I am feeling now is NOT good - I feel violated and used.
I had something else to say but right now I have to regain my composure. Bye.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

"It was not just a regular book - it had a plastic spiral binding and the cover was blue"

I have noted before that I listen to stories from lots of people, and you're one of them Jo. So fire away. Minimally I'm listening.

Most spiral bindings are wire. You're talking about another kind of binding. I'm guessing it's what called a "comb" binding. They are sized for particular max thicknesses. How thick of a "comb" binding, if that's what it was?

see here:
http://www.gotoforms.com/fel52326_fellowes_letter_size_plastic_14161_prd1.htm
http://www.restockit.com/Plastic-Binding-14Diameter-25-Sht-Cap-25BX-White-(GBC4090007).html?source=froogle&Bvar5=100F1&Bvar6=100F1&Bvar7=100F1

a true plastic coil is here, but in 1971, I think it would be less likely?
http://www.spiralbinding.com/selectProduct.cfm?subCategoryCode=PLASTIC%20COIL%20SUPPLIES

Was the blue cover plastic or hardboard of some sort?

In the movie "The Shining", from which I have used pictures of the bar scene with Lenny and crew, the exterior shots in the movie were filmed at Timberline Lodge, which is on Mt. Hood.

(edit) Jo: if I am one of the liars, users, or people out for themselves, you can say it directly, and I won't be offended. It will be good feedback for me.

[snowmman 3]

marketwatch.com is a financial news site that I have posted to before.
see here:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENIE269&=&q=marketwatch+snowmman&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f

Just one hour ago, the D.B. Cooper Citizen's Breakfast Club story hit www.marketwatch.com.

the story is here:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sleuths-seek-db-cooper-clues/story.aspx?guid={401CED82-A58B-472C-9991-CAF69EFDE158}&dist=msr_1

I'm expecting a good pop in shares of CooperPonzi, especially after last quarter's announcement of the improved nuclear business outlook.

While CooperPonzi cannot take all the credit for the improved economic outlook, we are proud of what little contribution we can make, as long as the tax rate is reasonable.

And you guys think I just make crap up. No apologies necessary.

CooperPonzi is closed to new investors, but a new fund may be opened shortly due to demand.

This is not a prospectus for CooperPonzi, and all financial advice is wrong.

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"It was not just a regular book - it had a plastic spiral binding and the cover was blue"

I screwed up it was a black spiral (plastic) with a GOLD cover...I was talking to a friend to unwind and pulled the book. There is a second book that is Blue with a White Spiral.
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Most spiral bindings are wire. You're talking about another kind of binding. I'm guessing it's what called a "comb" binding. They are sized for particular max thicknesses. How thick of a "comb" binding, if that's what it was?

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Was the blue cover plastic or hardboard of some sort?

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In the movie "The Shining", from which I have used pictures of the bar scene with Lenny and crew, the exterior shots in the movie were filmed at Timberline Lodge, which is on Mt. Hood.

Question - you aren't talking about the "Pulling Siver" you said was in Vietnam are you? What other picture did you post of a bar scene?
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Jo: if I am one of the liars, users, or people out for themselves, you can say it directly, and I won't be offended. It will be good feedback for me.

No, Snowmman I am NOT talking about you - infact you have become one of the good guys, much to the dismay of another poster. One of these guys has NEVER posted here that I know of, but he lofts occasionally.

The other one I am not sure of.

Thanks for giving me a chance to explain myself and ask me the right question. Sorry in my rush to reply earlier I did not pull the books - YES, there are 2 books. One is only about 1/4 inch thick and the other one is less than an inch thick.

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Didn't McCoys wife sue some publisher and win a settlement? Maybe all that talk about her being an accomplice couldn't be proven and she had a good slander/defamation case.
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Part of the lawsuit was because the FBI agent claimed to have shown the tie and clip from the Cooper jump to the mother and the wife of McCoy and quoted them as saying it was McCoy's. The family never said this. Exactly where I read this I don't remember, but it was part of why they sued and won - out of court. Somewhere in this 15 ft of paper I have it and the article it appeared in.

This agent was trying to prove that Cooper and McCoy where one and the same. He was quoted as saying that when they killed McCoy they killed Cooper.

PS. I have never read the McCoy book or the Drayton Book - I refrain from doing so - for obvious reasons.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 269]

I wonder what that unique chemical marker is? - Betcha I know.

Something I have tried to tell the FBI for yrs - he money was NOT always in the Columbia.

REPLY:

How perfectly obtuse.
Betcha you dont know. Guess all you want, you will be wrong.

Who is this "HE" you keep referring to below?
Bruce Lee?


Georger








Perhaps a container near the river EAST of where Winterly park is currently located. That chemical marker could be leaching from the container or the trees growning there or from residue the container once held.

There is one other possible place the money was buried and that would have been where Duane went that morning he dissapeared from the The Dalles for 5 1/2 hrs returing soiled. This means it was more than likely buried inland - perhaps toward Mt. Hood.

I have had others speculate he could have drove all the way to Vancouver, but that didn't make sense because why would he push for us to make The Dalles - because where he had to go was not too far from there - the Dalles was probably the closest. If he had gone onto Vancouver that day he would not have been able to take me on that sentiment trail he wanted to "live over one more time".

I do not know where he could have gone from The Dalles that morning - but it definitely was not into Washougal were we went later that day - because he almost missed his turn since the intersection had changed on Hwy 14 to get to Washougal...that is a red flag he had not been there earlier that morning.

I will go to a part of that trip I didn't think too important but now in retrospect I think it might be very important:

ATTENTION MR. KAYE
He mentioned Mt. Hood and the Hood River - but actually I think he had already been there earlier that day - the other option is on Highway 14 on the Washington side - He mentioned how rugged the country was there - and pointed out a ridge - telling me there was a cave of sorts there
....it was at this point he said there is nothing but forest for a few miles. Later we arrive at the turn off for Washougal. You know the rest of the story.

[georger 269]

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They talked about how some agents thought the magazines weren't processed properly. The author says Cooper was seen reading the magazines while they were circling Seattle, but unclear if that's true based on what Ckret said.

They said the prints found were unusable (which they expected) as Ckret said. They didn't mention getting prints off the magazines, although I think maybe the FBI guys were holding back, thinking maybe they did get something off the magazines.

Okay - you guys have wanted to know what I was holding and now I will tell you PART of it. The FBI will never disclose this, but from what I have I feel I am right.

Cooper was reading something, but it was NOT a magazine, but something else entirely. It was a book - but not just a regular book - it had a plastic spiral binding and the cover was gold. He knew his prints where on that item so he took it with him.

I give up, the FBI will not listen to me and a lot of this is not in their "secret" files. For 13 yrs they have done nothing but try to discredit me.

I have been lied to by several individuals recently - How STUPID I am to allow myself to be used. One has deliberately tried to manuever me and for the most part was sucessful. The other is someone I trusted - but he lied to me and I trusted him. No one tells the truth anymore - everyone is out just for themselves and the FBI doesn't want this case solved.

What I am feeling now is NOT good - I feel violated and used.
I had something else to say but right now I have to regain my composure. Bye.

Jo you really do need to stop relying on third and fifth party gossip handed down from morons. It
gets you into trouble every time. You ran out of 1st
hand reliable info 12 years ago, in Salt Lake City.
This really has become shabby and crude!

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Didn't McCoys wife sue some publisher and win a settlement? Maybe all that talk about her being an accomplice couldn't be proven and she had a good slander/defamation case.
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Part of the lawsuit was because the FBI agent claimed to have shown the tie and clip from the Cooper jump to the mother and the wife of McCoy and quoted them as saying it was McCoy's. The family never said this. Exactly where I read this I don't remember, but it was part of why they sued and won - out of court. Somewhere in this 15 ft of paper I have it and the article it appeared in.

This agent was trying to prove that Cooper and McCoy where one and the same. He was quoted as saying that when they killed McCoy they killed Cooper.

PS. I have never read the McCoy book or the Drayton Book - I refrain from doing so - for obvious reasons.

Reply> Quoting you: "My reply is that I never (try)to be 100% accurate - as I was replying to other responses.

You have too much on your mind. You should try to
focus on one thought and process that, write it down,
then move to the next piece of gossip, focus on it,
maybe write it down ......... thast the normal protocol
for fence gossip from 5th party seperations between
Florida and Washington. Or, you could hire better spies!

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The author makes it sound like the FBI agents just didn't remember the tie, and that it was referred to, but no one remembered and no picture was available.

If they didn't have the tie or a picture of it how did the Agent show it to her? I have question this over and over for yrs.
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When you read between the lines, it's obvious the FBI agents were holding back, I think...i.e. they didn't want to let info out about the tie, because they could use it to ask potential Coopers "what did you leave behind"

Next is one new piece of info that may or may not be true.

In the book, it says that Tina watched Cooper take off the tie and loosen his collar.

If this was true WHY wasn't it in the FBI reports. This book it is the only known statement of Tina saying this.
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I caught that because it's different than the impression I got, of Cooper taking if off maybe while rigging up.

It's not clear when Cooper took off the tie, I think. He may have been uncomfortable with the tie and collar. It might indicate he was not a regular tie wearer, and that it was part of a costume?

This detail about whether Tina saw him take off the tie and loosen the collar, and when it happened, would seem to be important. Maybe it's nothing, maybe not true, though.

Since there is nothing in the FBI report - must just be literary licensing.
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Oh in terms of the agents "covering up" info about evidence gathered or not gathered: The author also talked about how quickly the plane was turned over to Northwest..They didn't really spend a lot of time processing it. I think just one day? I can check again.

This seems inconsistent because I think Ckret said the seats were removed and sent to FBI headquarters or something like that for processing? I forget.

Ckret gets all screwed up with his information - per posts he has made in the past. I get screwed up also but I am not an FBI agent with the files infront of me nor do I speak for the FBI.
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They talked about how some agents thought the magazines weren't processed properly. The author says Cooper was seen reading the magazines while they were circling Seattle, but unclear if that's true based on what Ckret said.

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They said the prints found were unusable (which they expected) as Ckret said. They didn't mention getting prints off the magazines, although I think maybe the FBI guys were holding back, thinking maybe they did get something off the magazines.

Ckret has said no one saw Cooper reading the magazines. So there's inconsistent information.

So much inconsisten information and that is all we will ever get is more of the same.
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THE ENDING:
I will end this by saying the FBI kept quiet about the tie - because as Himmelsbach told me it was neatly folded over in the next seat and they did not know if it belonged to Cooper. I will say one more time - Cooper was very careful not to leave anything behind that he could not wipe down so why leave the tie.

The FBI and others keep ignoring one very important factor - Cooper carried on a paper sack. It is like the FBI wants this paper sack to go away.

Ever wonder why they never mention this paper sack to the public anymore and why they want it to go away? What was in that paper sack making it so important the FBI wants it to just go by the way side over the last 37 yrs?

Did the paper sack contain dinner or snacks? Did the paper sack contain the tie and a note? Was the content of the paper sack something that would have identified Cooper to his family in the event he didn't make it? Was the contents of the paper sack to leave behind a message?

Prior to our discussing the tie in this forum I was told a story by a young man who was all of 10 yrs old in 1968 - a story about a special tie. This story of the tie was perhaps his one fond memory of his past...with the man I claim was Cooper.

I realized this memory was something special and did not intrude in on his thoughts - but took the story he told me about this special tie and tried to research the story. Stupid me told the FBI about the tie story and when I went to reseach the tie story - all 41,000 plus pictures of a certain person were no longer available to the public and will not be until many yrs from now.

Now I will never know if the tie story was true or a cruel hoax that was being played on me. I did the research - Duane was in the same place as this person at a very special time in history (a relative small community). I find it hard to believe the individual would tell me such a story unless it was true. 1968 was a very important time in history and the tie was only happen chance in a very long conversation. I did not re-act to it verbally at that time - I just listened.

I figure the world thinks I am the biggest Fool on this earth and that I am crazy. I with-held this story from the forum and the public hoping the FBI would at least consider it - but instead they closed the door on me and made sure I would never find out.

Since that time - the FBI shut me out - and everything that has been done since is an effort to prove Cooper died that night on Nov 24 of 1971. When I posted a picture of a child that resembled Tina - the FBI became relentless in their efforts to prove Cooper died. Why?

When I called the FBI about the books - they again stepped up the efforts to prove Cooper died.

When I asked the FBI to check the SS records of a certain person to see if there were 2 reported incomes in 2 different states. Again they stepped up the effort to put Cooper in the river.

Suddenly Jerry Thomas is trying to put Cooper deep into the forests and they want to change the flight path to do just that. Think about the path the plane would have to be on for that to be true. What would have been right in front of the plane - it is a rainy stormy night with lots of wind - according to some accounts - other say it wasn't so bad. Think about the elevation that plane would have to be in - for it to be on that path.

Mt Hood is right ahead of them - they would need to climb in elevation...Do you really believe the crew would have flirted with disaster that way. These are experience pilots - why head toward Mt Hood at low elevations.

I am just a dumb stupid crazy old woman, but heading toward Mt Hood in that weather at that elevation just doesn't sound right.

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For your information Georger - I do not rely on their Gossip - I refute things that are told to me, but I do try to consider them. I know you know who one these guys is. It is my giving one particular person lots of information and then to find that he lied to me about his involvement in this WA trip and told me he was going on a trip out of the country.

The other man is worse - he comes to me with a weird story - I listen and some of it makes sense but after I take in what he has said - it seems too far out and then I find he is working with the FBI. More of the diffusion - anything to stall me and keep me quiet.

You are not a a Monkey - you are a mean old Baboon. Go back to your jungle and maybe if we are all lucky the Apes will serve you to the Lions.

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Who is this "HE" you keep referring to below?
Bruce Lee?

Georger

Silly Baboon - you know who he is, and I have no idea who Bruce Lee is. Who is Bruce Lee?

This is the recounting of the DUANE WEBER trip in 1979

Perhaps a container near the river EAST of where Winterly park is currently located. That chemical marker could be leaching from the container or the trees growning there or from residue the container once held.

There is one other possible place the money was buried and that would have been where Duane went that morning he dissapeared from the The Dalles for 5 1/2 hrs returing soiled. This means it was more than likely buried inland - perhaps toward Mt. Hood.

I have had others speculate he could have drove all the way to Vancouver, but that didn't make sense because why would he push for us to make The Dalles - because where he had to go was not too far from there - the Dalles was probably the closest. If he had gone onto Vancouver that day he would not have been able to take me on that sentiment trail he wanted to "live over one more time".

I do not know where he could have gone from The Dalles that morning - but it definitely was not into Washougal were we went later that day - because he almost missed his turn since the intersection had changed on Hwy 14 to get to Washougal...that is a red flag he had not been there earlier that morning.

I will go to a part of that trip I didn't think too important but now in retrospect I think it might be very important:

ATTENTION MR. KAYE
He mentioned Mt. Hood and the Hood River - but actually I think he had already been there earlier that day - the other option is on Highway 14 on the Washington side - He mentioned how rugged the country was there - and pointed out a ridge - telling me there was a cave of sorts there
....it was at this point he said there is nothing but forest for a few miles. Later we arrive at the turn off for Washougal. You know the rest of the story.

[snowmman 3]

"If they didn't have the tie or a picture of it how did the Agent show it to her? I have question this over and over for yrs."

Hi Jo. I just cruised thru that stuff in the book because it was obvious McCoy and Cooper weren't related. I'm not interested in looking around for the answer to that question.

If you're interested in the McCoy case, and what was reported in the Real McCoy book, you should order a copy online. It's good reading, if you're interested in all aspects of the Cooper investigation.

Like all Cooper related books, there are some errors. I've highlighted a few.

Too bad we don't have books on all the jump-related skyjackings. The first person accounts might add some insight into Cooper's state of mind (or not).

[BruceSmith 3]

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"During a gold prospecting trip, she spent eight days without food in the Yukon being chased by a grizzly. "


Griz don't chase you for eight days. If they're chasing you, they get you.

Hey I knew my talking about gold was relevant.

How can a journalist post something like the sentence above and expect people to believe it.

My newspaper subscription stays cancelled. 377: you were wrong.

Snowmman- why the dis?

I'm presenting a broad view, here, in my post about Barb Dayton, looking for a theme that would tie lots of loose ends together. Why did Barb Dayton confess, and for that matter Duane Weber, Wm Gossett and who knows how many others?

Further, who are these guys? Are there any similarities that suggest an avenue to investigate, or even hypotheses to contemplate?

It begs the question, Snow, what kind of DB Cooper are you looking for? What kind of DB Cooper will you accept? And of course, what kinds of journalists do you respect?

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Who is this "HE" you keep referring to below?
Bruce Lee?

Georger

Silly Baboon - you know who he is, and I have no idea who Bruce Lee is. Who is Bruce Lee?

This is the recounting of the DUANE WEBER trip in 1979

removed my reply - you wouldnt believe it anyway.

My bad. I keep assuming you are sane.

Good luck to the Heroine who thinks she's 23!

Miz Scarlett? Big Dady's gonna whup ya. Git home
to Tara right away -

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Snowmman- why the dis?

Fair enough question Bruce.
If you noticed, when you first arrived, there was this flurry of "oh let's straighten our backs and slick back our hair and act nice because here's a member of the 4th estate that might be able to add some data"

But it turned out that's not what (I'm guessing) you're about.
I remember when Geoff Gray sent me a PM talking about his book and waxing poetic about how the comic book angle was just too good to leave alone. You reminded me of that. Liking the story more than solving a puzzle. Barb Dayton isn't part of solving the puzzle. That's what I think and that's what I said. Simple.

Yes, there are plenty of good stories to write. Hell I write them up here all the time.

Now step back for a moment and put yourself in my shoes. I've been posting her since last April. There's a lot of water under the bridge. A lot of emotion, a lot of passion, a lot of smart thinking. By a lot of smart, impassioned people who randomly came together, to think about this thing. Maybe for some social fun. Maybe to make fun of whuffos.

Along the way, I've come to realize how polluted the Cooper has been by mythmakers. People who love the story.

Now the story is great and all that, and story writers should go have fun. I've published stuff on all the song writers that have used Cooper has a meme.

Did you know Kid Rock mentioned Cooper in the lyrics to Bawitdaba?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6nvrYopHV8

"For the timebombs ticking and the heads they hang
All the gangs getting money and the heads that bang bang
Wild mustangs, the porno flicks
All my homies in the county in cell block six
The grits when there aint enough eggs to cook
And for db cooper and money he took
You can look for answers but that aint fun
Now get in the pit and try to love someone"


I'm assuming when you post to the DBC thread, you have Bawitdaba cranked at full volume, all the time. You don't? why not?

Here's the thing. In terms of goal-oriented "find Cooper", that book is a negative, not a positive. That simple. You can argue differently; go for it.

I am nothing. I'm not some guy that's supposed to pat you on the back and prop you up. There's no Cooper Social Club where we all say it's all good as long as Cooper is mentioned.

There's a perfect example of someone gone whacked (at least a couple actually) here on this thread, because so many people have supported so much whacked out thinking on this thing.

It's like creating dementia.

So: if you think you deserve something from me for some reason: not!

Maybe someone else will give you what you want though.

But: I'm always interested in stories and thinking.
I gave you my feedback. You didn't like it.

I've noticed a lot of "people deserve to be treated certain ways because of titles/backgrounds etc". Baloney. A web forum is all about ideas. If you've got strong ones, let them rip!
Come on, you're a writer. Is this the first time an editor has said your story is crap? How do you respond?

(edit) Oh ps. Besides a lot of general stuff. Barb's bomb description is wrong. That simple. cuts her out of the picture in one paragraph.

[snowmman 3]

"Why did Barb Dayton confess, and for that matter Duane Weber, Wm Gossett and who knows how many others?"

Hm.
You may not have talked to enough crazy people in your life, if you're asking that question.

Maybe start slow. Ask 377 why he jumps out of airplanes. He'll feed you a lot of nonsense about flying and air and blah blah blah and it will all sound rational and well thought out.

But he's just nuts.

You're asking me "What is rational and why do people do crazy things that make no sense?" Good question.

Sometimes the answer is as simple as "Why not?"

Crazy people scare society. Everyone wants an ordered world, where they don't have to worry about getting a club on the head while they're sleeping from some nutbag.

That's not the real world.

(edit) p.s. there are plenty of confessors out there. The real question is not why people claim bullshit. But why do people listen to certain ones? That's the point I was making on the Barb Dayton story. It was obvious why the authors got hooked in. You could also analyze why Jo got hooked in. Or why Himmelsbach got hooked in on Duane.

Always look for the hook to the song. People like hooks.

Hey do you want in on the second offering of the CooperPonzi Fund? It's an affinity-based Ponzi scheme. Guaranteed returns.
It's based on a gold bullion air drop scheme with South Africa. They run gold and uranium out of the same mines there, so it's a sure thing.

[snowmman 3]

georger opined:
"If there is anything about women that's true it is
they always want to be right. Being right is basic
survival for women"


snowmman says:
"If there's anything about men that's true, it is they have a strong need to believe they can pigeonhole women"

Let the games begin! Who ever knew that a penis, breasts, some hormones and other assorted parts, could divide humans so cleanly.

Better than skin color! yahoo!

[TomKaye 1]

Hello All,

The two days we spent in the archives was extremely enlightening. Not so much for the data as for the way things work with investigations of this size.

None of you have any idea how much manpower and effort was put into this investigation. As an example, the SR71 Blackbird was involved in the search. If you think the FBI didn't try to solve this case you should be shot.

The FBI especially at that time, didn't do their own data calculations. They went to experts and asked them, usually more than once. The era also made for huge difficulties in compiling info.

Again as an example, there were 4 people listening to the radio chatter between the pilot and the tower. They all took notes. The notes were transcribed in abbreviated form into teletype transmissions. The teletype was again retyped by hand into regular English so you can understand it. Then all 4 transcripts were combined again manually into a final report that they work from. The data you all have is these final reports. There are NO things like tape recordings hidden in a box down here.

So if the pilot says "roger" that may have been reported in one of the 4 transcripts but not the rest. Do you put it in or not? This is where Larry was trying to set things straight. There are LOTS of nuances if you read all the files. Even more if you know inside info that affects things politically like the fact H was not the lead agent on the job but got all the publicity.

There were no computers, no search engines, heck I dont even think there were secretaries to file it all properly. Everything is by date but that can be meaningless. If Northwest sent back their original analysis from 1971 in 1974, it goes in the 1974 folder.

Loosing Larry was the single worst thing that could have happened to this forum. Without his insight into the inner sanctum, you are analyzing a story that is at least three generations in the telling.

TK

[Orange1 0]

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I give up, the FBI will not listen to me and a lot of this is not in their "secret" files. For 13 yrs they have done nothing but try to discredit me.

Oh come on Jo, even for you that is over the top. All the FBI's resources over the past 13 years directed at trying to discredit you? Even if that is not precisely what you meant (albeit it is what you said) please give examples of how they have tried to "discredit" you. Rejecting your so-called evidence/stories is not the same as actively discrediting you. You don't have a shred of proof that "the FBI doesn't want this case solved".

I'm sorry people have lied to you and used you, but you really need to be more careful about just throwing your lot in with people because they appear to believe your story. You are far too eager to embrace people who (appear to) believe you and reject out of hand those who don't. It's not the best way to judge people and their motives. (This is meant constructively.)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

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You are not a a Monkey - you are a mean old Baboon. Go back to your jungle and maybe if we are all lucky the Apes will serve you to the Lions.

That sounds pretty close to a personal attack to me.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.