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Could it be that georger is the sad after effects of the other side of that double blind study? (the no-party side?)
"The in-house testing phase now over, MK-ULTRA decided to use the drug surreptitiously in the street to gauge its effects. They contract-hired George Hunter White, a narcotics officer, to set up Operation Midnight Climax, according to Lee and Shlain, "in which drug-addicted prostitutes were hired to pick up men from local bars and bring them back to a CIA-financed bordello. Unknowing customers were treated to drinks laced with LSD while White sat on a portable toilet behind two-way mirrors, sipping martinis and watching every stoned and kinky moment." Lee and Shlain go on to comment, "when (White) wasn't operating a national security whorehouse," White threw wild parties for his "narc buddies" with his ready supply of prostitutes and drugs."
wikipedia also has an entry here on the Operation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax
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Galen Cook is controversial, but he is not dumb or stubborn. He obviously isnt going to reveal everything he has if a book is in the works, but he is a smart guy who has done a lot of work investigating the Cooper case. If he thinks Gossett is still the best suspect that is something to ponder.
Yup. After 2 decades of going after Cooper I am also intrigued as to why he settled on Gossett.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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Galen Cook is controversial, but he is not dumb or stubborn. He obviously isnt going to reveal everything he has if a book is in the works, but he is a smart guy who has done a lot of work investigating the Cooper case. If he thinks Gossett is still the best suspect that is something to ponder.
Yup. After 2 decades of going after Cooper I am also intrigued as to why he settled on Gossett.
Because that's where his METHODS took him.
The Gossett Story came to Cook (free); he didnt
have to go out and dig for it.
Im watching two kids throwing snowballs at a HUGE
icecycle over their heads - directly over their heads.
They know nothing about gravity ... velocity ... and
yep sure enough one is now on the ground and
staff are going out to give assistance.
That (what the kids did) is METHODS!
Find the guy who can tell us what is in the brown
paper bag and what brand of bourbon got served.
What Tina smelled like. Which leg Tina limped on.
The pitch of Scott's voice. The colour of the pulled
parachute. Details inside the plane jon. ..... someone
whose prints match one of the 69 prints found at
the scene, someone who can explain how the money
got on Tina Bar (via the Willamette!!).
g.
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Your posts, going way back, interest me. I have the
feeling you have some pretty strong views concerning
the Cooper case, and what happened. Care to share
those views with us? It could be beneficial ...
Georger
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Your posts, going way back, interest me. I have the
feeling you have some pretty strong views concerning
the Cooper case, and what happened. Care to share
those views with us? It could be beneficial ...
Georger
The only strong view I have is that he could easily have survived the jump and a night walking or hiding.
I have a strong view about the thread too. It really isn't the place for personal fighting and attacks between Mrs. Weber and others. It just makes the thread distasteful and fucking shitty. Sure, some of her posts are a bit hard to stomach, but the same applies to other's posts. Would anyone, including Mrs. Weber, be willing to commit to a unilateral cease-fire, and if necessary just ignore each other's posts?
Jim
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
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Would anyone, including Mrs. Weber, be willing to commit to a unilateral cease-fire, and if necessary just ignore each other's posts?
Sounds good to me. I'll sign up. No personal attacks. Disagreeing with facts or positions is OK, but don't attack the person with whom you disagree. But first I want Gaza AND the West Bank (just kidding).
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Justy read 377's. I sign up too. I'm
Your posts, going way back, interest me. I have the
feeling you have some pretty strong views concerning
the Cooper case, and what happened. Care to share
those views with us? It could be beneficial ...
Georger
The only strong view I have is that he could easily have survived the jump and a night walking or hiding.
I have a strong view about the thread too. It really isn't the place for personal fighting and attacks between Mrs. Weber and others. It just makes the thread distasteful and fucking shitty. Sure, some of her posts are a bit hard to stomach, but the same applies to other's posts. Would anyone, including Mrs. Weber, be willing to commit to a unilateral cease-fire, and if necessary just ignore each other's posts?
Jim
glad I asked and respect your point of view.
IMHO we also need more people contributing in
this forum ....
Thanks,
Georger
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I didn't mention it, but one part of the CIA stuff back then involved both LSD and hookers. really.
OK, NOW I finally understand why those govt agents work for such low pay. The real comp is in non taxable fringe benefits. Surely the FBI didn't let the CIA have more fun than they did.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Justy read 377's. I sign up too. I'm
Your posts, going way back, interest me. I have the
feeling you have some pretty strong views concerning
the Cooper case, and what happened. Care to share
those views with us? It could be beneficial ...
Georger
The only strong view I have is that he could easily have survived the jump and a night walking or hiding.
I have a strong view about the thread too. It really isn't the place for personal fighting and attacks between Mrs. Weber and others. It just makes the thread distasteful and fucking shitty. Sure, some of her posts are a bit hard to stomach, but the same applies to other's posts. Would anyone, including Mrs. Weber, be willing to commit to a unilateral cease-fire, and if necessary just ignore each other's posts?
Jim
glad I asked and respect your point of view.
IMHO we also need more people contributing in
this forum ....
Thanks,
Georger
My God, self stabilizing? self civilizing? ... this anti entropic forum behavior will call into question the necessity of iron fisted moderators. Doesn't it violate some law of thermodynamics?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Ok, I'll sign up too.
I think 377 is the closest thing to a UN Secretary General we have here. Will you "enforce" me if I slip up?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
I am not personally attacking anyone - just do not like someone saying I said something I didn't say.
I never said that the little girl was Tina, but it has been repeatedly expressed that I did by another party. Note I could have many times have made attacks on individuals for doing so, but I try to be polite without using fowl language and by recalling their quote.
Perhaps I am not the best with the words, but I try. As I have said before a lot is going on that you guys do not know about - I have set a target date for March 1st. I am not playing any games - nor am I putting out teasers - I ask honest questions just like anyone else. Such as the comparison between Tina and the little girl - that does NOT say Tina and the little girl are one and the same - Sorry Georger, but you are the one to insinuate that.... NOT ME. Also Sluggo also suggested it.
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The photo of the little girl and the Recipe for Life are a REAL part of the puzzle I am trying to solve - I felt it was either Tina or Zona - because of the age of the book it cannot be Zona. THAT is not saying it was Tina - it may be just a photo of a little girl stuck in an old book he liked.
Why keep accusing me of saying it was TINA? I didn't say that.
I will NOT post except to give new information or make corrections, as long as no one attacks or maliciously tries to demean what I have said such as the example above. I do not tear apart the post of others - except to defend myself.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Sluggo,
Have you ruled out Gossett completely? He sure was qualified to do it and I have seen nothing yet that rules him out. Still, without a hot $20, all these self confessed Coopers can form a line.
377
No, I haven't rulled out ANYONE (of the major suspects.) I think Gossett is the only person who could have jumped in the first few NMs and got (talked his way) around military security (Ft. Lewis and McChord).
Sluggo_Monster (Wishing my guard would take a whiz so I can post this)
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
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Vietnam does not necessarily rule people out... not everyone who went to fight there did so as a new adult, after all.
Here's a smokejumper via Intermountain who had already been decorated in Korea, for example:
http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejumper_magazine/item.php?articles_id=353&magazine_editions_id=24
This guy also spent time in Thailand and worked on special projects at Marana from 1962-1975. Not trying to put him forward as a Cooper candidate, but again there must be a fair pool of guys like this: experience, ability, and possible/probably exposure to the 727 tests.
His story also includes this
[Shep] was standing in front of them at the end of the dirt airfield near the back of an idling Air America C-130, when someone yelled that it was time to go. They were wet to the bone, some less than 15 years old and none taller than their M-16 rifles. Shep checked the equipment and continued down the line to count off the men. Seventy-seven! He knew there were only 70 commandos trained to make the jump. Seven Hmong, who had probably been support staff at the airfield, had picked up parachutes and joined the group. Shep yelled to the Hmong commander, ‘Buddy, we got seven people here who don’t know how to jump. I don’t know what they’re trying to prove, but it didn’t get by me.’ There was no way to determine who the seven were, and the commander didn’t seem concerned, so the plane took off. Twenty minutes later, all 77 men ran out the back of the C-130 and parachuted without injury on top of the pathfinders’ lights at the edge of the Plaine de Jarres.
Sorry Georger, I know you think this kind of thing is a waste of time, but I also know some other posters find it useful...so I will continue.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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And the Ravens, who seem to have spent a fair bit of time in Thailand, and Udorn in particular, between their stints in Laos:
http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejumper_magazine/item.php?articles_id=355&magazine_editions_id=26
http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejumper_magazine/item.php?articles_id=354&magazine_editions_id=25
Apologies in advance if any of these links have been posted before.
http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejumper_magazine/item.php?articles_id=355&magazine_editions_id=26
http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejumper_magazine/item.php?articles_id=354&magazine_editions_id=25
Apologies in advance if any of these links have been posted before.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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Orange,
Keep this SE Asia dark ops research coming. Who knows what might turn up.
Your McChord air museum findings have put that on my must visit list. They have two very rare old bombers, B 18 and B 23, sort of like DC 3 derivative bombers.
You sure find a lot of obscure Cooper-relevant aviation stuff which I really enjoy. I have been trying hard to find proof that the 727 was used operationally to drop people, but so far zero results. I belong to several aviation history associations and have pinged colleagues who are experts in SE Asia 60s and 70s ops, but nothing solid comes back.
I know from my work in thermal imaging during the Nam war that highly advanced prototypes were used operationally, but the official story was always that they were one of a kind (false) and were never deployed on military combat missions (false).
I hope the cease fire on personal attacks lasts. We should debate evidence, methods, and results rather than who pisses us off.
Maybe the new atmosphere here will bring back some of the folks who left. That would be a good thing, fresh blood.
377
Keep this SE Asia dark ops research coming. Who knows what might turn up.
Your McChord air museum findings have put that on my must visit list. They have two very rare old bombers, B 18 and B 23, sort of like DC 3 derivative bombers.
You sure find a lot of obscure Cooper-relevant aviation stuff which I really enjoy. I have been trying hard to find proof that the 727 was used operationally to drop people, but so far zero results. I belong to several aviation history associations and have pinged colleagues who are experts in SE Asia 60s and 70s ops, but nothing solid comes back.
I know from my work in thermal imaging during the Nam war that highly advanced prototypes were used operationally, but the official story was always that they were one of a kind (false) and were never deployed on military combat missions (false).
I hope the cease fire on personal attacks lasts. We should debate evidence, methods, and results rather than who pisses us off.
Maybe the new atmosphere here will bring back some of the folks who left. That would be a good thing, fresh blood.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
You see that is the very thing that bothers me. I must
be missing something? How qualified did you have to
be to do this? Anyone can fall out the back of an airplane with a parachute on?
The territory is benign (Scotton - south) unless he was
unlucky and hit a water area. The chute is reliable
and slow IF he got it open. The weather below 5000ft survivable for a while. The fall dead-certain unless
he spins etc. All of these parametrs have neen well-
defined by the experts here at Dropzone.
If he lands and is mobile, his next challenge is
avoiding detection and escape. He got in and out
of Portland once - he can do it twice ad I do not see
that highly specialised skills are required as much
as luck.
G.
Georger,
Everything you say is correct. Anyone could have done it if they were lucky.
Gosset was military jump trained, had money problems, looks enough like the FBI sketch, had been stationed at Ft Lewis, and confidentially confessed to the hijack. Sure, without a hot twenty he is just another self appointed Cooper, but he remains a person of interest on my suspect list.
Galen Cook is controversial, but he is not dumb or stubborn. He obviously isnt going to reveal everything he has if a book is in the works, but he is a smart guy who has done a lot of work investigating the Cooper case. If he thinks Gossett is still the best suspect that is something to ponder.
I have often ruled out anyone and everyone who confessed to being Cooper, but I am not so sure any more. The temptation to be a celebrity to a close confident might have overwhelmed normal caution.
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