1969912 0 #7251 January 19, 2009 QuoteAlso next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... Are you fucking serious?! "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7252 January 19, 2009 QuoteThis is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. Attached is the avatar in it completed form. I didn't clip anything off the forum does that to make the avatar fit. Attachement - 1971 polaroid of Duane Weber cut in half and placed with the composite of Cooper cut in half. I then taped the two halves together and scanned them.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 269 #7253 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteAlso next time at least allow me to finish my post and edit before you jump in ... Are you fucking serious?! yes. you have a problem with that? I clicked my post, saw a few errors, went back to edit changes, clicked again only to find JO-BLOW had already answerd angrily, all in the space of 30-60 seconds! Jo-BLOW must sit on her damned computer just waiting for posts to roll in. The lonley-luney tend to do that? So why dont you get everything else off your chest? Maybe I will wait - Georger Georegr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 269 #7254 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteThis is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. Attached is the avatar in it completed form. I didn't clip anything off the forum does that to make the avatar fit. Attachement - 1971 polaroid of Duane Weber cut in half and placed with the composite of Cooper cut in half. I then taped the two halves together and scanned them.[/reply Bullshit. This forum does not clip photos to fit! Posters do that. Post your orginal photos or shut the fuck up! Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 269 #7255 January 19, 2009 QuoteJo: It would be useful if you did your same morphing experiment with a photo of someone (clean shaven) who in your view doesn't match the composite. By just showing Duane, you could be just doing an experiment that shows anyone can match. You have to show that your Duane experiment is a better match than other photos. Use some of the photos I provided. That would help your case, showing Duane is a "better match" if you believe he is. If there's no real "better", then all this talk about photos is really just a waste of time? (edit) And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to thing about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. Snow... its not like I (and others) didnt think of trying (and even tried!) what Jo is trying, a long time ago. Attached a few examples. The problem is matching photos, angles, etc ... as you know. Photos represent features and features must line up to compare. Any tampering with a photo must preserve the underlying biometric proportions and only a pretty sophiosticated software can do that. I dont have the software so I didnt try it expecting serious results worthy of posting. . Maybe you do? I guess we are seeing a miracle in Jo's cut and paste. The polaroid just happens to be face-on and the right dimensions, the right angle, etc all to mate up perfectly with the Cooper sketch (whatever size it is). In addition Jo is using a sketch of her chosing. We allow Jo lots of latitude here. She isnt held to the same standards the rest of the world must follow. Jo is a special case. I never have that kind of luck as Jo has. I always have to work at things - ! Jo cuts cuts with sizzors and pastes with tape and VIOLA! The res of us are just not as skilled as Jo, and ONLY Jo Webert has the TRUE information. The FBI doesnt even have as much TRUE information as JO has - we all know that. And since Jo wont post her originals and isnt required to how can anyone know or judge. Jo is alway asking the public accept HER evidence as SHE wants it presented ONLY .... attached are my shitty composites I didnt post months ago - semi rotated, with proportions lost during rotation and still the skulls wont line up and are not the same. Do you want me to call my Senator and see if Jo can be appointed Director of the FBI? Maybe Jo can straighten the whole nation out! She will need your help. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 269 #7256 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteThis is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. Attached is the avatar in it completed form. I didn't clip anything off the forum does that to make the avatar fit. Attachement - 1971 polaroid of Duane Weber cut in half and placed with the composite of Cooper cut in half. I then taped the two halves together and scanned them. Buck up Jo! You may win after all. This Forum has never about truth or finding the truth ..... or even about DB Cooper. As we all know YOU founded this Forum. This forum is only what you will allow it to be and say it must be. So cheer up. You are a Celebrity! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7257 January 19, 2009 It is not about winning anything. I told you none of the photos I had were straight on and they all had a tilt. I also DO NOT use the old Bing Crosby composite that was used (the one that allowed Cooper to stay hidden). Had they made the Rose Composite public when it was first done - Cooper would have died sitting a jail cell. All I did was try to do something simple - actually I was trying to convince myself I was the only one who saw the resemblance. That is not how it came out. AT Least I don't use the composite the FBI made available (the one you use) that allowed Cooper to go for years undetected. All of the photos I used have been posted in this forum - so your accusations are unwarranted. You take my words and my thoughts and twist them to fit whatever you want it to be and then turn around and accuse me of what you are doing. What you do is exactly what is done to diffuse - a witness on a stand, a suspect being questioned, what the FBI and others in our government do when they want to continue to conceal something. Disfuse, disfuse and confuse till the subjects and the public give up or someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit. I usually do not come on the computer in the day - but I had left it on because I was printing somethings out - and I saw your post and made a response. You do everything you accuse me of doing and you do not do it for any other purpose than malice. Just ignore my posts? There is absolutely NO reason for you to reply. As for U-tube - and some of these other programs - I have explained that I do NOT have anything but Dial-up. I have to watch the clips in incriments of second. If I could do all of that why the heck would I copy, print and cut and paste and then scan to get my results. I even said it was an exercise in futility as it would have probably have worked with any photo of any suspect - NO you have to make an issue out of it. I am not going to play your childish game. Your objective is to control the thoughts and imaginations of anyone who might even have a twinkle in their minds eye that Duane was Cooper and to do what the FBI has done for yrs with the old BING CROSBY composite. It is about control. Well, the the plane (the thread) is now under your direction - I wish you a safe landing. I expect you will crash the plane ( the thread) very shortly...but that has been YOUR objective all along if you were not able to controll me. Orange thank you for the nice post you made about the cut, tape and scan - if you can get that Jefferson composite - maybe you will find why it is such a big secret from me and others. Snowmman - I thank you for all of your past kindesses and wish you well. It will take me a couple of wks to print the thread if I am not in the hospital and if anyone has a question PM me and I will answer. Should the thread crash - I hope the forum will allow me a place to make a post to let everyone know what is going on.....and there is a LOT going on..... The SLC photo - Who the man was Ed Hurand - the WA/OR connection. The jump connection.. The cigarrette butts. The paper sack. The tie. Witness statements the FBI hid. The names of the others involved. JMWave connections Covert CIA and JMWave? This story is NOT over and when all is said and done - you will learn that Duane Weber was Cooper. Hide it in plain site - even the FBI couldn't find the evidence, but maybe I have been holding it all of these yrs...see the attached. CKRET: Does this put him on the plane? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7258 January 19, 2009 Jo doesn't bother me. Honestly it makes me happy to imagine her learning new tricks with technology. Scanners etc. She even said "pixels". Isn't that cool for an older woman like Jo? Here we are, the S&P500 back down to maybe May 1997 levels, and I'm trying to get Orange1 to open some kind of offshore account for everyone here, with 377 running the legal song and dance... but we can post all this cool pics and videos and yell at each other and search massive amounts of info that we couldn't in '97, like old newspapers, and weren't those pics of the Braniff 727 cool? no comments on those? Did the lower part of the air stairs slide out or fold down? In the shadows you can see stair treads and it got me thinking the lower part must fold out? Got me wanting to look at the FBI drop test photo again to see if they had stairs fully deployed and whether full deployment is required to get out (I think we covered this already). Jo winning? I think the coolest thing would be to have Jo with her own website and blog. That's what people do. There are bazillions of people out there, all with their particular "thing". That's what the whole web is, and what billions of dollars was spent on. lonely/looney? well I know I am sometimes, and yeah I sit at my computer and see posts come in. I didn't realize that was a bad thing. (any of those things). Hey the CIA/FBI is not so sophisticated as you imply georger...look at this exchange that was considered "intelligent conversation" Our tax dollars paid for this insight: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480261,00.html WASHINGTON — Why haven't we captured bin Laden? It is one of the most common questions CIA Director Michael Hayden gets asked, and one whose answer has eluded him in the 2 1/2 years he has headed the agency. Hayden, now in the final weeks of his tenure at the CIA, told FOX News in an exclusive television interview that he decided to press his own sources for the best information available. "[I asked] one of the best people we have, the head of our counterterrorism center, and I went up to him and said 'You know I get asked this question a lot ... help me here, why haven't we captured him?'" he said. Hayden said he was not trying to trivialize the issue, but the answer he got was surprisingly simple. "He kind of leaned forward and said: 'Because he's hiding.'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7259 January 19, 2009 Jo, the thread can't crash. It's not possible. Let's try an experiment. Anyone out there. Do you worst. Do whatever. Quade might nail some folks, but the thread will never die. Isn't that scary? DZ.com will have to die first? or 2**32 in some form? (edit) Jo said: "what is going on.....and there is a LOT going on....." I mistyped. There is no offshore account. Repeat..no account offshore, being accounted for offshore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7260 January 19, 2009 “In a river mist, if another boat knocks against yours, you might yell at the other fellow to stay clear. But if you notice then, that it's an empty boat, adrift with nobody aboard, you stop yelling. When you discover that all the others are drifting boats, there's no one to yell at. And when you find out you are an empty boat, there's no one to yell.” ”The fish trap exists because of the fish. Once you've gotten the fish you can forget the trap. The rabbit snare exists because of the rabbit. Once you've gotten the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words exist because of meaning. Once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #7261 January 19, 2009 CKRET: Does this put him on the plane?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #7262 January 19, 2009 Is that Duane's daughter Zona? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7263 January 19, 2009 Quote , and weren't those pics of the Braniff 727 cool? no comments on those? Yes they were, but what caught my eye about the story was the bit about the FE having oil and hyrdaulic fluid all over him. Did he pick that up from rolling on the tarmac or did he get it from the plane??Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7264 January 19, 2009 Re "purpose of the forum"... is anyone in contact with Gossett's son? (I know he is on facebook and at least one other poster here is too - has there been any contact?) Any chance of getting him on here to give his "evidence"? I do think Snow is right, at the very least the forum has collated and discussed a lot of other stuff out there that may have relevance to the case - the 727 airdrops, the tests on the bills etc. I certainly don't buy any of the FBI coverup/CIA covert operations stuff and continue to believe Cooper's best chance of surviving the jump would have been if he had jumped before. I am certainly not discounting the fact that he remains dead and hidden somewhere.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7265 January 19, 2009 Quote Hayden said he was not trying to trivialize the issue, but the answer he got was surprisingly simple. "He kind of leaned forward and said: 'Because he's hiding.'" Occam's razor. And I guarantee that if this case ever gets solved, it will be that simple too. No conspiracies, just either a man hiding or a corpse laying undiscovered (or hidden after the money was taken off it).Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #7266 January 19, 2009 i admit, i'm D.B. Cooper! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 269 #7267 January 19, 2009 I do think Snow is right, at the very least the forum has collated and discussed a lot of other stuff out there that may have relevance to the case - the 727 airdrops, the tests on the bills etc. Reply> Zona should prove interesting also. Any bets on who will croak first: Jo or Snowmman? Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7268 January 19, 2009 QuoteReply> Zona should prove interesting also. In the way that red herrings do, maybe.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 269 #7269 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteReply> Zona should prove interesting also. In the way that red herrings do, maybe. Just hope you guys dontt wind up bogged down with it until August 09. Good luck - Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sluggo_Monster 0 #7270 January 19, 2009 Georger, Make an old man happy. Take Jo’s “little girl” photo to your Fairchild (or Rockwell, whoever) friends (I know it’s incomplete, but…) and see if it can be “age progressed to… say…. About 21 years to 23 years old (around Mucklow’s age in 1971). Not for the thread, not for Jo, not for snowmman, or Ckret, or SafecrackingPLF, just for Sluggo. Thanx, Sluggo_Monster Oh yeah… after it’s done… compare it to Mucklow’s photos. It’s a long, long, long, shot. But, think about what it would say if it was a childhood photo of Mucklow found in Weber/Collin’s possessions! [Low probability, high payoff - - Low risk, high benefit] Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7271 January 19, 2009 "incomplete"? That's the understatement of the year! You can't see eyes, nose or upper lip. It is an intriguing (albeit extremely farfetched) hypothesis you put forward though. And would this have to assume Cooper not only knew the plane schedules but knew the staff duty roster as well? Edited to add: I forget which is which, but one of Schaffner and Mucklow ended up as a nun, and the other was reported to have nightmares about the hijack for years. These factors imply both of them were severely traumatized by the event. I think that probably undermines your hypothesis, just to put it out there...Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #7272 January 19, 2009 QuoteThe cover of LIFE magazine, 8/11/72 had a very nice picture of a half-deployed 727 airstair in flight. It was Braniff N4038N I don't think this was an actual hijack. However the photos are very good. The lower part of the stairs are not deployed, and the stairs are only (apparently) half open. But you can imagine being able to duck out and jump even so. It raises an interesting question about the "pressure bump" I think the drop test was done with the lower stairs fully deployed also? (edit) No that doesn't make sense, right? because on the bump up, the lower stairs would impact the fuselage?? Maybe after the stairs bump up, they drop down again to this angle..i.e. not fully closed. And I guess as we said, they lower if weighted. I don't think the lower stairs were removed here..do they normally slide out from the upper stair portion? I don't know what would inhibit or cause that. Maybe the deployment is a two step operation? I thought maybe the photos had been faked in 1972, but the second photo has faint black plume coming out of two engines, so I think the plane really was in flight. although we've seen a bunch of them before, also attached another photo of a MD-88 (727) airstair from the Cooper vantage point so you can see the lower part of the stairs again. It's interesting in it's own right for an interesting reason: Note that fabric/nylon side walls under the handrails aren't there any more. Remember they were "shredded" on Cooper's stairs by the wind, (seen in the Reno pics). Maybe they were removed by the MD-88 time? or just this plane? (edit) you can see the nylon sidewalls in the Braniff photos. MD 88 isn't a 727, it is essentially a modernized stretched DC 9, twin engined jet. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #7273 January 19, 2009 QuoteGeorger, Make an old man happy. Take Jo’s “little girl” photo to your Fairchild (or Rockwell, whoever) friends (I know it’s incomplete, but…) and see if it can be “age progressed to… say…. About 21 years to 23 years old (around Mucklow’s age in 1971). Not for the thread, not for Jo, not for snowmman, or Ckret, or SafecrackingPLF, just for Sluggo. Thanx, Sluggo_Monster Oh yeah… after it’s done… compare it to Mucklow’s photos. It’s a long, long, long, shot. But, think about what it would say if it was a childhood photo of Mucklow found in Weber/Collin’s possessions! [Low probability, high payoff - - Low risk, high benefit] Jo, Tell us about the photo. These teases serve no purpose. If this photo proves Duane was Cooper tell us why. IF Duane turns out to be Cooper I want to be the first on the forum to apologize to you. I don't think it will happen, but I do keep an open mind. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #7274 January 19, 2009 377...have you looked at the photo? It can't possibly prove anything... you can't see nearly enough! (Or can you identify from an ear? Serious question) Jo, you thought Zona and her mother Edna were LDS. I know they are not confined to SLC (we even have some down here) but, well, there are a lot in SLC. Is Chevron Man maybe just Zona's stepfather...?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 269 #7275 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteGeorger, Make an old man happy. Take Jo’s “little girl” photo to your Fairchild (or Rockwell, whoever) friends (I know it’s incomplete, but…) and see if it can be “age progressed to… say…. About 21 years to 23 years old (around Mucklow’s age in 1971). Not for the thread, not for Jo, not for snowmman, or Ckret, or SafecrackingPLF, just for Sluggo. Thanx, Sluggo_Monster Oh yeah… after it’s done… compare it to Mucklow’s photos. It’s a long, long, long, shot. But, think about what it would say if it was a childhood photo of Mucklow found in Weber/Collin’s possessions! [Low probability, high payoff - - Low risk, high benefit] Jo, Tell us about the photo. These teases serve no purpose. If this photo proves Duane was Cooper tell us why. IF Duane turns out to be Cooper I want to be the first on the forum to apologize to you. I don't think it will happen, but I do keep an open mind. 377 Apologise? to Jo Weber for her tactics? This was brought up before, by me months ago. I dropped it. Jo never uttered a peep in response - Snow either. But Jo really has put her ass in the can this time. She's claiming to have an actual piece of history. No hypothetical ticket or bank bag or piece off Cooper's handkerchief. And she is giving it away free to the world! That is a gracious act one seldom sees. An actual photo of Jesus, for the having! No Jesus on the toast this time. Gee thanks, Joe! Im just not going to say too much about this. But, I do see a pattern here. I don't see that Jo is doing Tina Mucklow any favour by bringing all of this up now (all over again)! Who is this serving? That is the question that matters. We all knew Jo had this photo, or something like it she was claiming. That's my response. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 Next Page 291 of 2639 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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georger 269 #7255 January 19, 2009 QuoteJo: It would be useful if you did your same morphing experiment with a photo of someone (clean shaven) who in your view doesn't match the composite. By just showing Duane, you could be just doing an experiment that shows anyone can match. You have to show that your Duane experiment is a better match than other photos. Use some of the photos I provided. That would help your case, showing Duane is a "better match" if you believe he is. If there's no real "better", then all this talk about photos is really just a waste of time? (edit) And Jo: how about some hi res photos on Picasaweb, or Google Sites? Did you try getting that setup? Imagine if you had a simple little Google Site with all your info, descriptions, details, and questions. You could get thousands of people to peruse it and maybe get you your missing info. Heck there might be people still alive from the MO prison that might remember duane...you could just drop the url into all sorts of sites, and drive all sorts of traffic there. Heck I'd make a youtube video for you at my dbcooperxfiles channel for you to point people to your site! If not too spooky, I'd animate Duane saying "go to ..." :) You need to thing about getting new clients/customers, not just beating on us relentlessly. Generate new high res data for your own blog/site. Heck it'd be really cool if you typed a couple sentences each day in a blog to say what your current focus was on. That's what all these bloggers do. Snow... its not like I (and others) didnt think of trying (and even tried!) what Jo is trying, a long time ago. Attached a few examples. The problem is matching photos, angles, etc ... as you know. Photos represent features and features must line up to compare. Any tampering with a photo must preserve the underlying biometric proportions and only a pretty sophiosticated software can do that. I dont have the software so I didnt try it expecting serious results worthy of posting. . Maybe you do? I guess we are seeing a miracle in Jo's cut and paste. The polaroid just happens to be face-on and the right dimensions, the right angle, etc all to mate up perfectly with the Cooper sketch (whatever size it is). In addition Jo is using a sketch of her chosing. We allow Jo lots of latitude here. She isnt held to the same standards the rest of the world must follow. Jo is a special case. I never have that kind of luck as Jo has. I always have to work at things - ! Jo cuts cuts with sizzors and pastes with tape and VIOLA! The res of us are just not as skilled as Jo, and ONLY Jo Webert has the TRUE information. The FBI doesnt even have as much TRUE information as JO has - we all know that. And since Jo wont post her originals and isnt required to how can anyone know or judge. Jo is alway asking the public accept HER evidence as SHE wants it presented ONLY .... attached are my shitty composites I didnt post months ago - semi rotated, with proportions lost during rotation and still the skulls wont line up and are not the same. Do you want me to call my Senator and see if Jo can be appointed Director of the FBI? Maybe Jo can straighten the whole nation out! She will need your help. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 269 #7256 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteThis is why Jo conveniently clipped the top off the composite, so you can't see the skulls do not line up. One is taller than the other. Cooper's is taller due to Weber's backward sloping forehead which is also a product of whole-body proportion differences, Heir Weber vs Cooper. Jo couldnt get the faces to line up so she clipped the top off the photos (skulls) to make it appear the chin line, nose, and mouths fit. Attached is the avatar in it completed form. I didn't clip anything off the forum does that to make the avatar fit. Attachement - 1971 polaroid of Duane Weber cut in half and placed with the composite of Cooper cut in half. I then taped the two halves together and scanned them. Buck up Jo! You may win after all. This Forum has never about truth or finding the truth ..... or even about DB Cooper. As we all know YOU founded this Forum. This forum is only what you will allow it to be and say it must be. So cheer up. You are a Celebrity! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7257 January 19, 2009 It is not about winning anything. I told you none of the photos I had were straight on and they all had a tilt. I also DO NOT use the old Bing Crosby composite that was used (the one that allowed Cooper to stay hidden). Had they made the Rose Composite public when it was first done - Cooper would have died sitting a jail cell. All I did was try to do something simple - actually I was trying to convince myself I was the only one who saw the resemblance. That is not how it came out. AT Least I don't use the composite the FBI made available (the one you use) that allowed Cooper to go for years undetected. All of the photos I used have been posted in this forum - so your accusations are unwarranted. You take my words and my thoughts and twist them to fit whatever you want it to be and then turn around and accuse me of what you are doing. What you do is exactly what is done to diffuse - a witness on a stand, a suspect being questioned, what the FBI and others in our government do when they want to continue to conceal something. Disfuse, disfuse and confuse till the subjects and the public give up or someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit. I usually do not come on the computer in the day - but I had left it on because I was printing somethings out - and I saw your post and made a response. You do everything you accuse me of doing and you do not do it for any other purpose than malice. Just ignore my posts? There is absolutely NO reason for you to reply. As for U-tube - and some of these other programs - I have explained that I do NOT have anything but Dial-up. I have to watch the clips in incriments of second. If I could do all of that why the heck would I copy, print and cut and paste and then scan to get my results. I even said it was an exercise in futility as it would have probably have worked with any photo of any suspect - NO you have to make an issue out of it. I am not going to play your childish game. Your objective is to control the thoughts and imaginations of anyone who might even have a twinkle in their minds eye that Duane was Cooper and to do what the FBI has done for yrs with the old BING CROSBY composite. It is about control. Well, the the plane (the thread) is now under your direction - I wish you a safe landing. I expect you will crash the plane ( the thread) very shortly...but that has been YOUR objective all along if you were not able to controll me. Orange thank you for the nice post you made about the cut, tape and scan - if you can get that Jefferson composite - maybe you will find why it is such a big secret from me and others. Snowmman - I thank you for all of your past kindesses and wish you well. It will take me a couple of wks to print the thread if I am not in the hospital and if anyone has a question PM me and I will answer. Should the thread crash - I hope the forum will allow me a place to make a post to let everyone know what is going on.....and there is a LOT going on..... The SLC photo - Who the man was Ed Hurand - the WA/OR connection. The jump connection.. The cigarrette butts. The paper sack. The tie. Witness statements the FBI hid. The names of the others involved. JMWave connections Covert CIA and JMWave? This story is NOT over and when all is said and done - you will learn that Duane Weber was Cooper. Hide it in plain site - even the FBI couldn't find the evidence, but maybe I have been holding it all of these yrs...see the attached. CKRET: Does this put him on the plane? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7258 January 19, 2009 Jo doesn't bother me. Honestly it makes me happy to imagine her learning new tricks with technology. Scanners etc. She even said "pixels". Isn't that cool for an older woman like Jo? Here we are, the S&P500 back down to maybe May 1997 levels, and I'm trying to get Orange1 to open some kind of offshore account for everyone here, with 377 running the legal song and dance... but we can post all this cool pics and videos and yell at each other and search massive amounts of info that we couldn't in '97, like old newspapers, and weren't those pics of the Braniff 727 cool? no comments on those? Did the lower part of the air stairs slide out or fold down? In the shadows you can see stair treads and it got me thinking the lower part must fold out? Got me wanting to look at the FBI drop test photo again to see if they had stairs fully deployed and whether full deployment is required to get out (I think we covered this already). Jo winning? I think the coolest thing would be to have Jo with her own website and blog. That's what people do. There are bazillions of people out there, all with their particular "thing". That's what the whole web is, and what billions of dollars was spent on. lonely/looney? well I know I am sometimes, and yeah I sit at my computer and see posts come in. I didn't realize that was a bad thing. (any of those things). Hey the CIA/FBI is not so sophisticated as you imply georger...look at this exchange that was considered "intelligent conversation" Our tax dollars paid for this insight: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480261,00.html WASHINGTON — Why haven't we captured bin Laden? It is one of the most common questions CIA Director Michael Hayden gets asked, and one whose answer has eluded him in the 2 1/2 years he has headed the agency. Hayden, now in the final weeks of his tenure at the CIA, told FOX News in an exclusive television interview that he decided to press his own sources for the best information available. "[I asked] one of the best people we have, the head of our counterterrorism center, and I went up to him and said 'You know I get asked this question a lot ... help me here, why haven't we captured him?'" he said. Hayden said he was not trying to trivialize the issue, but the answer he got was surprisingly simple. "He kind of leaned forward and said: 'Because he's hiding.'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7259 January 19, 2009 Jo, the thread can't crash. It's not possible. Let's try an experiment. Anyone out there. Do you worst. Do whatever. Quade might nail some folks, but the thread will never die. Isn't that scary? DZ.com will have to die first? or 2**32 in some form? (edit) Jo said: "what is going on.....and there is a LOT going on....." I mistyped. There is no offshore account. Repeat..no account offshore, being accounted for offshore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7260 January 19, 2009 “In a river mist, if another boat knocks against yours, you might yell at the other fellow to stay clear. But if you notice then, that it's an empty boat, adrift with nobody aboard, you stop yelling. When you discover that all the others are drifting boats, there's no one to yell at. And when you find out you are an empty boat, there's no one to yell.” ”The fish trap exists because of the fish. Once you've gotten the fish you can forget the trap. The rabbit snare exists because of the rabbit. Once you've gotten the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words exist because of meaning. Once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #7261 January 19, 2009 CKRET: Does this put him on the plane?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #7262 January 19, 2009 Is that Duane's daughter Zona? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7263 January 19, 2009 Quote , and weren't those pics of the Braniff 727 cool? no comments on those? Yes they were, but what caught my eye about the story was the bit about the FE having oil and hyrdaulic fluid all over him. Did he pick that up from rolling on the tarmac or did he get it from the plane??Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7264 January 19, 2009 Re "purpose of the forum"... is anyone in contact with Gossett's son? (I know he is on facebook and at least one other poster here is too - has there been any contact?) Any chance of getting him on here to give his "evidence"? I do think Snow is right, at the very least the forum has collated and discussed a lot of other stuff out there that may have relevance to the case - the 727 airdrops, the tests on the bills etc. I certainly don't buy any of the FBI coverup/CIA covert operations stuff and continue to believe Cooper's best chance of surviving the jump would have been if he had jumped before. I am certainly not discounting the fact that he remains dead and hidden somewhere.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7265 January 19, 2009 Quote Hayden said he was not trying to trivialize the issue, but the answer he got was surprisingly simple. "He kind of leaned forward and said: 'Because he's hiding.'" Occam's razor. And I guarantee that if this case ever gets solved, it will be that simple too. No conspiracies, just either a man hiding or a corpse laying undiscovered (or hidden after the money was taken off it).Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7266 January 19, 2009 i admit, i'm D.B. Cooper! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 269 #7267 January 19, 2009 I do think Snow is right, at the very least the forum has collated and discussed a lot of other stuff out there that may have relevance to the case - the 727 airdrops, the tests on the bills etc. Reply> Zona should prove interesting also. Any bets on who will croak first: Jo or Snowmman? Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7268 January 19, 2009 QuoteReply> Zona should prove interesting also. In the way that red herrings do, maybe.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 269 #7269 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteReply> Zona should prove interesting also. In the way that red herrings do, maybe. Just hope you guys dontt wind up bogged down with it until August 09. Good luck - Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo_Monster 0 #7270 January 19, 2009 Georger, Make an old man happy. Take Jo’s “little girl” photo to your Fairchild (or Rockwell, whoever) friends (I know it’s incomplete, but…) and see if it can be “age progressed to… say…. About 21 years to 23 years old (around Mucklow’s age in 1971). Not for the thread, not for Jo, not for snowmman, or Ckret, or SafecrackingPLF, just for Sluggo. Thanx, Sluggo_Monster Oh yeah… after it’s done… compare it to Mucklow’s photos. It’s a long, long, long, shot. But, think about what it would say if it was a childhood photo of Mucklow found in Weber/Collin’s possessions! [Low probability, high payoff - - Low risk, high benefit] Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7271 January 19, 2009 "incomplete"? That's the understatement of the year! You can't see eyes, nose or upper lip. It is an intriguing (albeit extremely farfetched) hypothesis you put forward though. And would this have to assume Cooper not only knew the plane schedules but knew the staff duty roster as well? Edited to add: I forget which is which, but one of Schaffner and Mucklow ended up as a nun, and the other was reported to have nightmares about the hijack for years. These factors imply both of them were severely traumatized by the event. I think that probably undermines your hypothesis, just to put it out there...Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #7272 January 19, 2009 QuoteThe cover of LIFE magazine, 8/11/72 had a very nice picture of a half-deployed 727 airstair in flight. It was Braniff N4038N I don't think this was an actual hijack. However the photos are very good. The lower part of the stairs are not deployed, and the stairs are only (apparently) half open. But you can imagine being able to duck out and jump even so. It raises an interesting question about the "pressure bump" I think the drop test was done with the lower stairs fully deployed also? (edit) No that doesn't make sense, right? because on the bump up, the lower stairs would impact the fuselage?? Maybe after the stairs bump up, they drop down again to this angle..i.e. not fully closed. And I guess as we said, they lower if weighted. I don't think the lower stairs were removed here..do they normally slide out from the upper stair portion? I don't know what would inhibit or cause that. Maybe the deployment is a two step operation? I thought maybe the photos had been faked in 1972, but the second photo has faint black plume coming out of two engines, so I think the plane really was in flight. although we've seen a bunch of them before, also attached another photo of a MD-88 (727) airstair from the Cooper vantage point so you can see the lower part of the stairs again. It's interesting in it's own right for an interesting reason: Note that fabric/nylon side walls under the handrails aren't there any more. Remember they were "shredded" on Cooper's stairs by the wind, (seen in the Reno pics). Maybe they were removed by the MD-88 time? or just this plane? (edit) you can see the nylon sidewalls in the Braniff photos. MD 88 isn't a 727, it is essentially a modernized stretched DC 9, twin engined jet. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #7273 January 19, 2009 QuoteGeorger, Make an old man happy. Take Jo’s “little girl” photo to your Fairchild (or Rockwell, whoever) friends (I know it’s incomplete, but…) and see if it can be “age progressed to… say…. About 21 years to 23 years old (around Mucklow’s age in 1971). Not for the thread, not for Jo, not for snowmman, or Ckret, or SafecrackingPLF, just for Sluggo. Thanx, Sluggo_Monster Oh yeah… after it’s done… compare it to Mucklow’s photos. It’s a long, long, long, shot. But, think about what it would say if it was a childhood photo of Mucklow found in Weber/Collin’s possessions! [Low probability, high payoff - - Low risk, high benefit] Jo, Tell us about the photo. These teases serve no purpose. If this photo proves Duane was Cooper tell us why. IF Duane turns out to be Cooper I want to be the first on the forum to apologize to you. I don't think it will happen, but I do keep an open mind. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #7274 January 19, 2009 377...have you looked at the photo? It can't possibly prove anything... you can't see nearly enough! (Or can you identify from an ear? Serious question) Jo, you thought Zona and her mother Edna were LDS. I know they are not confined to SLC (we even have some down here) but, well, there are a lot in SLC. Is Chevron Man maybe just Zona's stepfather...?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 269 #7275 January 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteGeorger, Make an old man happy. Take Jo’s “little girl” photo to your Fairchild (or Rockwell, whoever) friends (I know it’s incomplete, but…) and see if it can be “age progressed to… say…. About 21 years to 23 years old (around Mucklow’s age in 1971). Not for the thread, not for Jo, not for snowmman, or Ckret, or SafecrackingPLF, just for Sluggo. Thanx, Sluggo_Monster Oh yeah… after it’s done… compare it to Mucklow’s photos. It’s a long, long, long, shot. But, think about what it would say if it was a childhood photo of Mucklow found in Weber/Collin’s possessions! [Low probability, high payoff - - Low risk, high benefit] Jo, Tell us about the photo. These teases serve no purpose. If this photo proves Duane was Cooper tell us why. IF Duane turns out to be Cooper I want to be the first on the forum to apologize to you. I don't think it will happen, but I do keep an open mind. 377 Apologise? to Jo Weber for her tactics? This was brought up before, by me months ago. I dropped it. Jo never uttered a peep in response - Snow either. But Jo really has put her ass in the can this time. She's claiming to have an actual piece of history. No hypothetical ticket or bank bag or piece off Cooper's handkerchief. And she is giving it away free to the world! That is a gracious act one seldom sees. An actual photo of Jesus, for the having! No Jesus on the toast this time. Gee thanks, Joe! Im just not going to say too much about this. But, I do see a pattern here. I don't see that Jo is doing Tina Mucklow any favour by bringing all of this up now (all over again)! Who is this serving? That is the question that matters. We all knew Jo had this photo, or something like it she was claiming. That's my response. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
