DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

The rebuild of the DZ.com search index last night got rid of the discrepancy I noted between search hits and final edited text on posts.

I think the downtime and search index rebuild was related to the conspiracy, of course.

Be interesting to see if the problem is still there for future posts, and whether the rebuild just fixed past posts/search.

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Yes, I do more than speculation, because it is the only thing that makes sense. SmileNot one of you has been able to offer an explanation that EXPLAINS all of the things he did and said and showed me.

Jo,

What if Duane was pretending to be Cooper? Wouldn't that also fit the facts as you know them?

What fact in Duane's past tells you that he was Cooper rather than a pretender?

377

Jo,

Have you answered this basic question?

This is why Duane, Gosset and many other self professed Dan Coopers are taken lightly. Show me a hot twenty dollar bill or anything indisputably connecting Duane to the crime.

All the evidence you have offered is equally consistent with a wannabe Cooper as it is with a real Cooper.

Isn't it possible that Duane saw a possible con in the Cooper story? He wouldn't have been the first. That would explain his researching it at your library. If you could convince someone that you were Cooper and had buried loot, you might be able to con them out of some front money. There is no proof that Duane did this, but he had more experience as a con artist than as a parachutist.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The rebuild of the DZ.com search index last night got rid of the discrepancy I noted between search hits and final edited text on posts.

I think the downtime and search index rebuild was related to the conspiracy, of course.

Be interesting to see if the problem is still there for future posts, and whether the rebuild just fixed past posts/search.

How do you possibly stay on top of all this stuff???? Admit it Snow, you are the principal architect of the MATRIX. It wouldn't be your first major system design.

There is no other logical explanation.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

Remember how I mentioned whether it made sense to think of Cooper as a 1971 technology exploit?

This is a good article even for non tech people to get some insight into the depths of the whole current cyber theft world, and how sophisticated and also unsophisticated it can be:

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-01/ff_max_butler

In terms of thinking about criminals and skill, it makes it obvious there's no simple way to think about whether someone is showing skill or being stupid...

Clearly a mix of skill and stupidity in Butler.

I liked this one comment someone left on the article...it makes one muse about weapons races.

"This man is a WMD in need of a guidance system. Screw prison. Lock him in a room with a computer, a controller who can understand what he is doing, and a list of Chinese sites to hack."

I saw another article where they were raising the issue of China beating the US to the moon in the latest race, and how it would look bad..so they're thinking about using US military rockets maybe, to simplify the US project.

I think we all just replay history with more people and different tools/weapons.

[snowmman 3]

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The rebuild of the DZ.com search index last night got rid of the discrepancy I noted between search hits and final edited text on posts.

I think the downtime and search index rebuild was related to the conspiracy, of course.

Be interesting to see if the problem is still there for future posts, and whether the rebuild just fixed past posts/search.

How do you possibly stay on top of all this stuff???? Admit it Snow, you are the principal architect of the MATRIX. It wouldn't be your first major system design.

There is no other logical explanation.

377

read the Butler article I just posted.
He hacked into 4 criminal sites, stole all their databases for stolen credit cards and customers who buy them, deleted their databases and conglomerated it into his own new web site for selling stolen credit cards. And no one could stop him.

Now THAT's amazing.

He reposted all the posts he siphoned from the other sites to his own new site.

The problem is always that what appears difficult to one, is easy to another.

In terms of thinking about Cooper, obviously Cooper must have thought about what he was doing as "easy".??

Ckret lumps this in as "enough knowledge to be a danger to himself".

But if all he's doing is accepting risk at some percentage different than others might, how do we think about that?

It's like thinking about people who jump into fields bordered by power lines on a windy day, with newer canopies that have higher forward speeds, and wondering "How did they compute the risk introduced by all those variables? Was it all superior knowledge? or was part of it just a go-for-it attitude?"

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read the Butler article I just posted.
He hacked into 4 criminal sites, stole all their databases for stolen credit cards and customers who buy them, deleted their databases and conglomerated it into his own new web site for selling stolen credit cards. And no one could stop him.

Did read it Snow. Absolutely riveting. His screen name was Iceman. Any relation?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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It's like thinking about people who jump into fields bordered by power lines on a windy day, with newer canopies that have higher forward speeds, and wondering "How did they compute the risk introduced by all those variables? Was it all superior knowledge? or was part of it just a go-for-it attitude?"

None of the above. We calculate the risk, but with hugely flawed assumptions always biased towards making the jump.

Where you do a careful 3D topo model, canopy flight model, wind info and stat matrix, we skydivers just think: "how hard is it to miss a wire less than an inch in diameter in a known location?"

"Superior knowledge?" Not in skydiving. Just superior confidence, even if frequently unjustified.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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(One report given months
ago mentioned 5000 ft visibility at Vancouver?)
Maybe Snow knows.

I had just had two recent thoughts on weather conditions. This is revisiting some stuff previously discussed.
1) Looking at ckret's posts, early on he mentioned "complete darkness'. That's surprising because most of Ckret's posts were correct data. That isn't.

The historical data says the moon was at 41%. This is from the US Navy site, using 11/24/71 and Vancouver,WA. If you want to think Cooper is genius..then notice that the moon sets around midnight...i.e. if Cooper was too late, he'd lose the moon? (edit) I'm interpreting "moonset" but don't really know.
The moon set varies significantly day to day?

from:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl

Phase of the Moon on 24 November: waxing crescent with 41% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

The following information is provided for Vancouver, Clark County, Washington (longitude W122.6, latitude N45.6):

Wednesday
24 November 1971 Pacific Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:49 a.m.
Sunrise 7:22 a.m.
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Sunset 4:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 5:05 p.m.

MOON
Moonset 9:52 p.m. on preceding day
Moonrise 12:28 p.m.
Moon transit 5:41 p.m.
Moonset 11:06 p.m.
Moonrise 12:50 p.m. on following day

2) The "second transcript" released by Ckret has some interesting info. It had a weather report communicated to the plane on takeoff from Seattle. I always had thought the weather was worse in Seattle, but it wasn't so bad..on page 12 of "Logs 06-20-2008R.pdf" (n467us.com) it says

"wind is 180 degrees, one zero [Ed. I'm assuming this means 10 knots surface wind] and the altimeter is 2991"

again this was at Seatac

[snowmman 3]

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read the Butler article I just posted.
He hacked into 4 criminal sites, stole all their databases for stolen credit cards and customers who buy them, deleted their databases and conglomerated it into his own new web site for selling stolen credit cards. And no one could stop him.

Did read it Snow. Absolutely riveting. His screen name was Iceman. Any relation?

377

Now I know this will seem Off topic. But it's amazing to think how technology developments lead to social behaviors on a wide scale, where people just accept it as "it must be done"..Are we societies shackled by technologies, or societies that shackle technology?

i.e. we build planes that can be hijacked, and it becomes a federal problem to prevent hijackings. The whole TSA thing is a massive security theatre.

we build a credit card industry that is easily hacked, and we tax ourselves so the FBI/SS can investigate hackers (rather than the credit card industry fully covering all of it)

With relatively low technology Qassam rockets, Hamas has triggered a massive invasion by Israel. And those rockets are incredibly small compared to what you see US civilians setting off at Black Rock, Nevada all the time.

I guess it started the first time a cave man picked up a jaw bone and clubbed something with it.

I joke about the nuclear WMD thing, but imagine, if nature had made atomic weapons easy to make it home? Scary thought, because we all know the rednecks would be making them and putting videos up on youtube.... Einstein said: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

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I joke about the nuclear WMD thing, but imagine, if nature had made atomic weapons easy to make it home? Scary thought, because we all know the rednecks would be making them and putting videos up on youtube...

Don't you think this kid was well on the way?:

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Radioactive-Boy-Scout1nov98.htm

Interesting finds about the weather and moonlight Snow. The FBI's freezing dark stormy night has morphed into something a bit less hostile, thanks to FACTS.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[happythoughts 0]

The moon is only part of the visibility picture.

A description that someone posted earlier:

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The weather: Ceiling of 5,000 feet, broken clouds at 3,500,
scattered clouds at 1,500. Winds of 12 to 14 knots,
light rain showers.

If you have two or three layers of clouds and some rain,
then there won't be any moonlight of value.

He could have landed in the lake also.

Spending all night wet, in 35-50 degree temps is
enough. You don't have to drown.

A 60ft tree can kill you as fast as a river.

Besides, in 10-15mph winds, under a round - he was
along for the ride.

He couldn't see the ground and he couldn't steer himself
in a substantial enough fashion to avoid anything.

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He could have landed in the lake also.

Yeah, I guess I'm willing to believe that Vancouver Lake was too far from the flight path...today at least :)
Also people get worked up arguing that there's no real good path for the money from Vancouver Lake to Tena Bar.

But there are other lakes we've talked about once you cross the Columbia. Smith and Bybee Lake are pretty big.

And then there's the Williamette River like georger pointed out a ways back.

A lot of water. And the data on actual jump point very weak.

I will point out two things. I was looking at the aerial photos of Tena Bar from 74 and 79 that Ckret provided.
1) I hadn't noticed that there's kind of a road N of Fazio's house, that goes (diagonal) from the main road, right to about where the money was found. I always figured if there was a "plant" story, the access would have been from the S, say from the parking area visible S. But maybe access from the N? since the money was found right where the "road" hits the beach?

2) The sand operation at the Fazio's, S of their house, doesn't seem to have been in operation in '74. It seems to have been in '79 (you can see stuff in the S area).

We never really put a date on when their sand operation started. Maybe it started after the 74 dredging when they first got spoils?

attached zoomed and cropped for reference. As noted before, the circle is probably from the FBI marking the money find location on each of the original pics.

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Jo States:

Yes, I do more than speculation, because it is the only thing that makes sense.

377 States:,

What if Duane was pretending to be Cooper? Wouldn't that also fit the facts as you know them?

What fact in Duane's past tells you that he was Cooper rather than a pretender?

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Jo States:

Pretending? -Did he fake the ticket, the stub and the bag. Why?

I promise you we didn't have money for him to have someone print things for me to find - and he excused such items as not meaning anything any more. He had every opportunity to have told me a lot of tales which he did not do.

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377 Stated:

All the evidence you have offered is equally consistent with a wannabe Cooper as it is with a real Cooper.

Isn't it possible that Duane saw a possible con in the Cooper story? He wouldn't have been the first. That would explain his researching it at your library.


Jo States:

The library search came in 1990 - not in the early yrs. I know what triggered the search, but it is a secret I have kept all of these yrs - a phone call he made to say Good-by to someone from his past. He didn't know he would live another 5 yrs.

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377 States:

If you could convince someone that you were Cooper and had buried loot, you might be able to con them out of some front money. There is no proof that Duane did this, but he had more experience as a con artist than as a parachutist.

Jo States:

After the 1990 incident and my finding the articles - stub and bag,
he could have probagated a story at that time, but he didn't. It would be 1994 before I find the plane ticket - why didn't he start start his "con" then? Because it was not a con.

WHY, would he risk a"con" to spend his remaining days in a prison. NO! That was not the man he had become - that man would not have wanted to spend his last days in a prison.

If he was pulling a "con" why didn't he go for it - WHY hide it - and the things he meant for me to find? We had life insurance and a house almost paid for - he was NOT worried about me financially.

As for Gossetts' - son. He responded to a talk show Cook was involved in. Cook had spent so many yrs looking for his "Cooper" that he bit on the story hook, sinker and all.
Gossett was known to be a jokester. Professionals who knew and worked with Gossett have made it clear that they do not think he was Cooper. Gossett had a background and willing family members, Cook could work with. Cook jumped right into it. I do still communicate with Cook and he is still working on his book.

Because the FBI claims there have been other "deathbed confession" does NOT make that true either. Not one of them has come forward with their story - WHY?

WHY did I come forward? Because of physical evidence I held in my hands plus all the other things over the yrs that had been said and done. Not because of the confession.

With the confession alone and not having seen and held certain items in my hands and not having experienced the unusual happening during our marriage - I would never have given it a thought. I would never have based what I believe on the confession alone.

I would never have given up my life for this pursuit for a confession - one that I didn't understand. If I had NEVER seen that ticket, the stub and the bag - I would have let go of this long long ago.

Duane Weber was Cooper and/or he knew who was.

When all else fails just put it in God's hands.

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Jo,

I am not kind to you just to be "nice." I think you are 100% sincere in your beliefs and deserve to be treated respectfully. I may rib you now and then but I hope I never insult you. You indeed have devoted your life to this matter. That kind of perserverance, even if misdirected, is something to take notice of and I do. I don't have to agree with you conclusions though and I don't.

Respectfully, I really don't think you have answered my question. Your evidence is just as consistent with a Cooper wannabe situation as it is with your late husband really being Cooper. It is your beliefs and conclusions, not the evidence itself, that tips it towards the latter of the two possible explanations in your view. That view isn't shared by most folks here, if any. If there is anyone here besides Jo who thinks Duane was Cooper, step forward and tell us why.

A lost ticket stub, a bag and even a covert drop of material from a bridge are not proof that Duane was Cooper. Maybe there was no con being planned, maybe Duane just liked the idea of being a very successful and famous crook instead of who he really was. Look at how many falsely claimed to be secret survivors of the Czars murdered family. Fame is hard to earn, so some pilfer it.

Show me something that UNAMBIGUOUSLY says Duane was Cooper , something that does not require a leap of faith, and I will pay close attention. A hot twenty, some of the gear he jumped with, anything indisputably connected to the crime will suffice. Ambiguous evidence is just that: ambiguous, capable of supporting multiple theories of the case. You have a lot of that and none of the former.

Could Duane have been Cooper? I suppose its not been ruled out. I still have an open mind, but I need unambiguous evidence rather than conclusions before I join in your theory of the case.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Unfortunately I don't know what happened to the bag, the stub or the ticket.

I have found a safe deposit box I didn't know about, but I told the FBI about it and I have not been able to get any information from the bank which no longer exists. I found a box early on after he died and all that was in it was the magazine with - the one with the man jumping with the barrel between his legs. If there was anything else in that box - which the bank entered for me as I was not listed, but had the will - it was never disclosed to me, but this was before I knew anything about Cooper. I was told the magazine was ALL that was in the box. Seems odd to have a box with nothing but a magazine in it.

I think the reciept I found was from the same bank - but, I am going to check it out.

I don't know where the man is that bought the van - maybe he has had a change of heart - I think he feared prosecution and may have found 'something". If I could find him and promise not to prosecute if he will tell me if there was anything else in that van - he would probably want the same from the FBI. I expect from what I have been told by Jim's friend that there was money in the van (not 20's).

The other thing is finding out who the man is in that picture taken in Salt Lake City - probably the only lead I have. If it is WHO I think it is - I have to prove it...that will require going public again.

Any advise will be appreciated.

Also to prove where he was from 1944- 1950 and also from 1962 to 1966. I cannot do that without the help of the FBI and they REFUSE to divulge what they know of those yrs. WHY?

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all that was in it was the magazine with - the one with the man jumping with the barrel between his legs.

You said that was the SOF magazine from 1994. The jumper with the nuke. Right?

So he's looking at that magazine in 1994 and Duane dies in 1995.

It's hard to believe that a real Cooper, who survived, would be reading Soldier of Fortune in 1994, and save one issue, that had to do with parachuting with a nuke.

Why would that make sense?

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(One report given months
ago mentioned 5000 ft visibility at Vancouver?)
Maybe Snow knows.

I had just had two recent thoughts on weather conditions. This is revisiting some stuff previously discussed.
1) Looking at ckret's posts, early on he mentioned "complete darkness'. That's surprising because most of Ckret's posts were correct data. That isn't.

The historical data says the moon was at 41%. This is from the US Navy site, using 11/24/71 and Vancouver,WA. If you want to think Cooper is genius..then notice that the moon sets around midnight...i.e. if Cooper was too late, he'd lose the moon? (edit) I'm interpreting "moonset" but don't really know.
The moon set varies significantly day to day?



from:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl

Phase of the Moon on 24 November: waxing crescent with 41% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

I got 56% with Starry Night Pro somemonths ago
but can accept US Naval Observ data. Set time is same as I have. So he had a window except for a thick 5000ft cloud deck above. Not sure how much moonlight would penetrate through that.

If he was relying on Moonlight then he must have
been in the area or known the area at the time,
or less likely, read the newspapers and could infer
from someplace else.


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The following information is provided for Vancouver, Clark County, Washington (longitude W122.6, latitude N45.6):

Wednesday
24 November 1971 Pacific Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:49 a.m.
Sunrise 7:22 a.m.
.
Sunset 4:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 5:05 p.m.

MOON
Moonset 9:52 p.m. on preceding day
Moonrise 12:28 p.m.
Moon transit 5:41 p.m.
Moonset 11:06 p.m.
Moonrise 12:50 p.m. on following day

2) The "second transcript" released by Ckret has some interesting info. It had a weather report communicated to the plane on takeoff from Seattle. I always had thought the weather was worse in Seattle, but it wasn't so bad..on page 12 of "Logs 06-20-2008R.pdf" (n467us.com) it says

"wind is 180 degrees, one zero [Ed. I'm assuming this means 10 knots surface wind] and the altimeter is 2991"

again this was at Seatac

[georger 268]

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I joke about the nuclear WMD thing, but imagine, if nature had made atomic weapons easy to make it home? Scary thought, because we all know the rednecks would be making them and putting videos up on youtube...

Don't you think this kid was well on the way?:

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Radioactive-Boy-Scout1nov98.htm

Interesting finds about the weather and moonlight Snow. The FBI's freezing dark stormy night has morphed into something a bit less hostile, thanks to FACTS.

377

this is all old - try earlier sections of this thread.

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The moon is only part of the visibility picture.

A description that someone posted earlier:

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The weather: Ceiling of 5,000 feet, broken clouds at 3,500,
scattered clouds at 1,500. Winds of 12 to 14 knots,
light rain showers.

If you have two or three layers of clouds and some rain,
then there won't be any moonlight of value.

He could have landed in the lake also.

Spending all night wet, in 35-50 degree temps is
enough. You don't have to drown.

A 60ft tree can kill you as fast as a river.

Besides, in 10-15mph winds, under a round - he was
along for the ride.

He couldn't see the ground and he couldn't steer himself
in a substantial enough fashion to avoid anything.

as a matter of fact, when first asked where they had found the money one of the Ingrams said the
Vancouver Lake area. That was quickly dropped/
changed to Tina Bar and never mentioned again.

Did the Ingram's walk from the Vancouver Lake area
to Tina Bar or did they drive and park at Tina Bar
and were never at Vancouver Lake at all?

Their mention of Tina Bar could have been a slip of
the tongue meaning 'just in the area of Vncvr Lake'.

Snow and Tosaw know.

G.

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I've heard steerable canopy mentioned a few times to miss the water. It should be noted that parachutes of that time period were not very steerable, and had little forward speed.

If Cooper openned high enough, he may have been able to steer away from the river. Seeing as how this was a night jump, I'd bet he didn't even know he was over the river until he hit water.

REPLY> It sort of depends on when he pulls,
doesnt it - I mean his chances of hitting the
Columbia at all from 10k feet?

The planes is traveling at 186 knots. The Columbia
is n-number of feet wide. The window he must jump
through to hit the Columbia v land is quite small.
Maybe he was exceedingly unlucky, or we are looking at a land landing and some other scenario?

Also and I hate to press you but, you know the Columbia and Tina Bar firsthand.

How does debris generally get to Tina Bar, by what
route. Forget hydraulics. Any common sense
observation on your part would be helpful (to me).
Thanks in advance -=

Georger

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as a matter of fact, when first asked where they had found the money one of the Ingrams said the
Vancouver Lake area. That was quickly dropped/
changed to Tina Bar and never mentioned again.

hi georger
that would be interesting. Where did you get that from?
when asked by who?

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attached zoomed and cropped for reference. As noted before, the circle is probably from the FBI marking the money find location on each of the original pics.

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georger said:

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as a matter of fact, when first asked where they
had found the money one of the Ingrams said the
Vancouver Lake area. That was quickly dropped/
changed to Tina Bar and never mentioned again.

hi georger
that would be interesting. Where did you get that from?
when asked by who?

Its in at least two places: its in one newspaper interview with one of the Ingrams - it is also mentioned in an official account.

My first reaction was that Harold? was making a
general reference to the larger area they were in
vs. naming Tina Bar specifically right from the start.
Why mention Vancouver Lake at all if they werent there?

Its a significant distance between Vcvr Lake and
Tina Bar. I guess it would come down to where
they parked and got out of the car and what their
original purpose was, to pic nic at Tina Bar, or to explore starting at Vancouver Lake and they end
up at Tina Bar and the 'alleged' fire building to
cook hotdogs... only to find money.

Then, discrepancies developed in the Ingram
story. Significant witholding of facts. (This has already been mentioned & speculated about
here, and it has foundation in the media accounts
alone).

Let's theorize the Ingrams don't tell the whole
truth first time out. And they dont turn in all the money. Then one of the Ingrams wishes Brian to
have a reward, but another Ingram calls and says
"her child" is the one who found the money and
she should have any reward being offered. This
all leaks to the media! This sets up a competition
within the Ingram family where the mother of the
5 year old is already divorcing Harold Ingram's brother and finally somebody calls and says: 'by
the way, so-and-so did not turn in all the money - and we all kept some, as souveniers. ............

At length, one begins to wonder if the original
story was correct and what was being concealed there?

Since Harold first stated "Vancouver Lake" one
can justifiably wonder: did the Ingram expedition
begin at Vancouver Lake and they found some
money or other articles there, and they then walked
the whole shoreline looking for more (of something),
and they came to Tina Bar and find money sticky out there?

One thing that certifies Tina Bar is the fact
the excavation there apparently did find find more
fragments of money, so there was money at Tina
Bar. Perhaps other things also certify Tina Bar, that
I am not aware of. But, Harold Ingram referenced
Vancouver Lake. Did they find something there and just keep it a secret? It's a theory.

How long were they out that day and where?

Why did the Ingram's bring Vancouver Lake
up at all?

Later, the FBI found an active warrant for Harold
Ingram in (New Mexico?) and he had to clear that
up.

I believe people searched the Vancouver Lake
area years ago (including Tosaw) on just such
a theory, and found nothing. I believe Vancouver Lake was dragged because of this theory...

This Ingram statement about Vancouver Lake is
one of the reasons I have always been interested
in the channel behind Catapillar Island, which
connects the two areas.

The problem with Vancouver Lake is it is out of the
drop zone. However, Vancouver Lake is just off the railroad line which comes down from the Orchard's area. It offered concealment and shelter in '71.
It is a catch basin and also used to flood regularly due to its position to the side of the Columbia Willamette confluence. (An object being dragged
down river might divert toward this area due
to the cross current from the Willamette?)


G.

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Pretending? -Did he fake the ticket, the stub and the bag. Why?

I promise you we didn't have money for him to have someone print things for me to find - and he excused such items as not meaning anything any more. He had every opportunity to have told me a lot of tales which he did not do.

Jo, honest question.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe he was telling the truth when he said they didn't mean anything? That you are adding 2 + 2 and arriving at 7?

Every so often I find old ticket foils or boarding pass stubs from flights. To someone else they may look as if I have kept them purposefully, when in actual fact they just got put somewhere accidentally and never got chucked out.
Edited to add: then when I find them, I do chuck them out. To someone with a different frame of mind it might look like they were being got rid of for sinister reasons, when they were intended for the trash all along.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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all that was in it was the magazine with - the one with the man jumping with the barrel between his legs.

You said that was the SOF magazine from 1994. The jumper with the nuke. Right?

So he's looking at that magazine in 1994 and Duane dies in 1995.

It's hard to believe that a real Cooper, who survived, would be reading Soldier of Fortune in 1994, and save one issue, that had to do with parachuting with a nuke.

Why would that make sense?

I don't know - just stating a fact. That was all the bank brought out to me and all they said was in the box. I believe he may have had other things in there but where did they go - I don't know. Because he had the safety deposit box - why was the airline ticket in the box at the house? The stub and bag I saw in 1990 - the ticket in 1994. If I understood it - I would know what that magazine meant. I have read it from cover to cover trying to find out why it was important enough to put in a safety deposit box. I have read all of the articles and ads - nothing is marked in the magazine. There was an article with the name of several men - all of who died in Vietnam. Lots of other stories - one about the American Rifle Association - Duane had a membership card for the ARA in his hidden wallet under the name John Collins. It was a very ODD thing to leave in a safety deposit box I didn't know he had.

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