monk71 6 #66576 12 hours ago 12 hours ago, FLYJACK said: Ok, here is some fast snd dirty detective work... Jerry Alter parts his hair on the right.. all online images I found of him.. on the right. That first head shot image posted of his hair parted on the left is reversed.. I found the full image on find a grave which is also reversed... the shirt is buttoned on the wrong side.. Men's shirt buttons are on the right not the left.. image reversed. So, he parts his hair on the right.. not Cooper. image reversed. Good catch Fly! You certainly have a knack for spotting details in images. Thanks for your time. Ever thought about finding stolen art (in addition to guitars)? There is actually a public database: https://artcrimes.fbi.gov/ I don't agree that a hair part should exclude anyone automatically, but I suppose it is something not only of habit (which could be changed) but also where a person's hair naturally parts. This couple is fascinating. Their story kept coming up now and then in my Cooper searches, and now I know why... many different commenters noted he could have been Cooper. Even Ryan chimed in once: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boeing 377 0 #66577 9 hours ago Trivia issue. No such thing as an NB6 or NB8 parachute canopy. NB is Navy Back and refers only to harness-container assemblies not canopies that they might contain. In USN service NB6 normally had a 26 ft conical canopy and NB8 had a 28 ft C9 canopy. But riggers and sport jumpers didn’t always follow military convention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 9 #66578 3 hours ago 8 hours ago, monk71 said: Do you know what it means by "with wave in front, up over his forehead"? Is this wave somehow referring to his shades or a marcelled hair wave? I've always taken this to mean that he the front of his hair, where it was parted, was more wavy than the rest. Probably had a bit of volume to it as well as though mostly his hair was slicked back but slightly higher in the front. Think Cary Grant or another leading man from that era. Wavy hair is just the stop between straight and curly hair and there are a lot of different levels of waviness. It's nothing to do with sunglasses; I'd say the black and white picture there is the closest to this description. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66579 59 minutes ago 2 hours ago, lxchilton said: I've always taken this to mean that he the front of his hair, where it was parted, was more wavy than the rest. Probably had a bit of volume to it as well as though mostly his hair was slicked back but slightly higher in the front. Think Cary Grant or another leading man from that era. Wavy hair is just the stop between straight and curly hair and there are a lot of different levels of waviness. It's nothing to do with sunglasses; I'd say the black and white picture there is the closest to this description. It is another way to describe marceled... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66580 44 minutes ago (edited) 8 hours ago, Boeing 377 said: Trivia issue. No such thing as an NB6 or NB8 parachute canopy. NB is Navy Back and refers only to harness-container assemblies not canopies that they might contain. In USN service NB6 normally had a 26 ft conical canopy and NB8 had a 28 ft C9 canopy. But riggers and sport jumpers didn’t always follow military convention. Not sure what you are getting at... Cossey was the only source for NB6/8 "container".. The packing card said it had a 24' Steinthal canopy.. unlikely a smaller one would be used. Hayden said his chutes were similar,,, an NB6 is nothing like the Pioneer P2 left behind, NB6's are sage Green,, Hayden said it was olive drab with tan harness and Cossey said it was sage green container and sage green harness.. Cossey lied about his records, never supplied them and even claimed he did. Cossey later claimed his chutes were used and the back chute left behind was returned to him.. Cossey believed Emrich was grabbing the two back Chutes from Issaquah as well as the two fronts.. Emrich was contacted and told to just send the fronts as the backs were secured from Hayden... but Cossey still believed his back chutes were used... So, Cossey was contacted and described his chutes not Hayden's.. When he discovered his error he never corrected it. It is extremely unlikely Cooper used an NB6/8, it was most likely a military version similar to the early 1940's civilian tan P2 left behind. Edited 42 minutes ago by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66581 40 minutes ago 11 hours ago, monk71 said: Good catch Fly! You certainly have a knack for spotting details in images. Thanks for your time. Ever thought about finding stolen art (in addition to guitars)? There is actually a public database: https://artcrimes.fbi.gov/ I don't agree that a hair part should exclude anyone automatically, but I suppose it is something not only of habit (which could be changed) but also where a person's hair naturally parts. This couple is fascinating. Their story kept coming up now and then in my Cooper searches, and now I know why... many different commenters noted he could have been Cooper. Even Ryan chimed in once: The hair part side isn't a 100% elimination but it is really close.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 9 #66582 27 minutes ago (edited) 32 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: It is another way to describe marceled... Someone might use it that way, however, someone who has wavy hair naturally does not have marcelled hair as “marcelling” is a method of artificially adding waviness to hair. This is another “all dolphins are whales but not all whales are dolphins” situations; someone might use the word marcelled to mean generally wavy or they might mean that they did their hair like it was the 1930s. Since it was 1971 I tend to think natural waviness makes a lot more sense. Edited 27 minutes ago by lxchilton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 785 #66583 14 minutes ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, lxchilton said: Someone might use it that way, however, someone who has wavy hair naturally does not have marcelled hair as “marcelling” is a method of artificially adding waviness to hair. This is another “all dolphins are whales but not all whales are dolphins” situations; someone might use the word marcelled to mean generally wavy or they might mean that they did their hair like it was the 1930s. Since it was 1971 I tend to think natural waviness makes a lot more sense. No it isn't... "Marcelling" is artificially adding the waves... People can have natural marceled hair... But most people would use the term wavy.... "marceled" is a subset of the more general term wavy... A 20 year old in 1971 would likely say "wavy", a 70 year old might say "marceled".. as it is an older reference. Edited 13 minutes ago by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 9 #66584 6 minutes ago 2 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: No it isn't... "Marcelling" is artificially adding the waves... People can have natural marceled hair... But most people would use the term wavy.... "marceled" is a subset of the more general term wavy... A 20 year old in 1971 would likely say "wavy", a 70 year old might say "marceled".. as it is an older reference. I don't think we are disagreeing with one another--I am just saying that if someone said "marcelled" then Cooper's hair was probably just wavy à la young Nixon. Gregory is the one who said "marcelled" and he was older, correct? Ultimately I don't want people thinking that someone with wildy wavy hair has to be Cooper or some other misguided thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lxchilton 9 #66585 2 minutes ago Examples of waviness--funnily enough these are all guys sitting behind or next to Nixon at a baseball game in 1969. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites