DB Cooper

[Kamkisky 24]

5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

 

FLY: My theory is simpler,, he demanded to fly nonstop to Mexico, Reno was in play he jumped early,, pretty simple.. it reconciles two big issues,, The range being wrong and Cooper giving no path.

This is a bonkers statement. Your theory is he tried to skyjack a different flight then changed his plans (that already takes it out of the razor). Then he selected a flight to skyjack that is in the PNW when he wants to go to Honduras, and the flight is heading north! Then your theory is he starting talking about the stairs, etc for jumping while 1,200 miles from Mexico when he planed on landing in Mexico (makes no sense). Then he negotiates for Reno because of range when you admit he knew the plane could fly to Mexico...this is the Cooper got gaslit theory. Then you claim after being gaslit he decides to jump at random and got lucky it wasn't the deep forest. There's absolutely nothing Occam's razor about any of that. It's at least three separate plans merged into on giant mess. It's actually the opposite of Occam's razor. 

FLY: Cooper didn't give a path, the plane could have been anywhere when he jumped so it was ad hoc...  they were still considering the coast right up to takeoff.. NO path means not targeted.

This is GC/cockpit. It has nothing to do with what Cooper said or did. Those guys didn't even know he was going to jump so it makes sense they are discussing things that from a parajackers point of view are insane and total non starters. You are fixated on what Rat and GC was thinking and then just applying it to Cooper. That's an error. You have to think about it from COOPER'S perspective, he is the one with the plan we are trying to figure out. 

FLY: You seam to have to be doing a lot of explaining for an easier option.. Cooper jumping south of the border is consistent with asking for US/American currency.

WTF? He is damn near at the Canadian border. If anything they would have brought Canadian money not Mexican. You're off by at least a 1,000 miles and several assumptions. 

FLY: Not true , it is a fact... Cooper's initial demand WAS airstairs lowered inflight,, it is clear in the files..

The issue is with your theory he has no reason to make that statement. He plans on landing in Mexico. 

FLY: Again explaining something claimed to be simple.. you are making this up,, the route to SoCal is V23..  There is zero evidence he wanted to fly to Portland, in fact you wouldn't expect the plane with a bomb to fly over populated areas.

There is only evidence he wanted to go south and avoid the coast. There is no other evidence, you are making it up. Show us some evidence from COOPER, not Rat or GC that even suggests he wants to do anything but fly south...which is where Portland is. You can't produce a single shred. There's a reason for that. 

FLY: Drag and fuel consumption is very basic stuff in aviation,, if he knew aviation even a little and refuelling procedures he would understand range limitations flying dirty. 

Why does he accept getting gaslight then? You want to have it both ways, Cooper understood the flying distance of a 727 both regular and knew dirty would limit it, but he just accepts abandoning his (second) plan because the cockpit said so? WTF? Makes no sense. Again, I know a small car with a 12 gallon tank can go more than 60 miles (in any configuration). I'm not letting someone gaslight me, where the downside is the rest of my life in a cage, into believing or negotiating or accepting that the car can only go 60 miles. I know it can go 200 miles. Why would I not say F you bro, fly this thing to Mexico or the blonde takes a free fall trip out the back? You have never addressed this, there is a reason. You can't. It doesn't add up. He has the bomb (you agree). He knows the distance flying clean (you agree). He understands dirty means less distance (you agree). But he just abandons his plan for...something...something...look over there it's a squirrel! 

FLY: YES, it is unique,, now we are getting somewhere...  luck and novelty is your subjective opinion but too limiting,,, Those played a role but you miss errors, misunderstandings and incompetence which have a greater impact..  I found a massive error that may have undermined the investigation..

Point is this is a unique case and something unique caused it to remian unsolved,,,  

Here we agree. But that unique thing isn't his clear instructions to fly south. You keep using "path" but you haven't defined it. Cooper did give a path, go south. He couldn't have been any more clear. He did not discuss or accept West, East or North. Again, show a shred of evidence COOPER was open to going anyway but south? You can't. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kamkisky

[olemisscub 567]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Two things,, I know why the FBI messed up with Hahneman... I just haven't disclosed it.

So now you ARE saying he was Cooper? Weren’t you saying just recently that you weren’t claiming he was Cooper, you just couldn’t eliminate him?

[FLYJACK 780]

 

FLY: My theory is simpler,, he demanded to fly nonstop to Mexico, Reno was in play he jumped early,, pretty simple.. it reconciles two big issues,, The range being wrong and Cooper giving no path.

This is a bonkers statement. Your theory is he tried to skyjack a different flight then changed his plans (that already takes it out of the razor). Then he selected a flight to skyjack that is in the PNW when he wants to go to Honduras, and the flight is heading north! Then your theory is he starting talking about the stairs, etc for jumping while 1,200 miles from Mexico when he planed on landing in Mexico (makes no sense). Then he negotiates for Reno because of range when you admit he knew the plane could fly to Mexico...this is the Cooper got gaslight theory. Then you claim after being gaslight he decides to jump at random and got lucky it wasn't the deep forest. There's absolutely nothing Occam's razor about any of that. It's at least three separate plans merged into on giant mess. It's actually the opposite of Occam's razor. 

It isn't bonkers that fly into PDX theory is irrelevant to this... he wasn't gaslit, it was a miscommunication.. This is so simple.. He demanded to flys to Mexico to refuel, crew misunderstood his demand to fly dirty the entire way and when Reno was in play he decided to jump early... it fits everything..

FLY: Cooper didn't give a path, the plane could have been anywhere when he jumped so it was ad hoc...  they were still considering the coast right up to takeoff.. NO path means not targeted.

This is GC/cockpit. It has nothing to do with what Cooper said or did. Those guys didn't even know he was going to jump so it makes sense they are discussing things that from a parajackers point of view are insane and total non starters. You are fixated on what Rat and GC was thinking and then just applying it to Cooper. That's an error. You have to think about it from COOPER'S perspective, he is the one with the plan we are trying to figure out. 

What the.. are you talking about,, they seriously considered flying the coast, Cooper had nothing to do with it...  Clearly you don't understand the issue

FLY: You seam to have to be doing a lot of explaining for an easier option.. Cooper jumping south of the border is consistent with asking for US/American currency.

WTF? He is damn near at the Canadian border. If anything they would have brought Canadian money not Mexican. You're off by at least a 1,000 miles and several assumptions. 

Huh,,, He didn't ask to go to Canada,, he was latin/Mexican/Swarthy.. even the FBI discussed looking into a Mexico connection.

FLY: Not true , it is a fact... Cooper's initial demand WAS airstairs lowered inflight,, it is clear in the files..

The issue is with your theory he has no reason to make that statement. He plans on landing in Mexico. 

He said it to have a stew lower the airstairs,, nothing wrong with making that statement early.

FLY: Again explaining something claimed to be simple.. you are making this up,, the route to SoCal is V23..  There is zero evidence he wanted to fly to Portland, in fact you wouldn't expect the plane with a bomb to fly over populated areas.

There is only evidence he wanted to go south and avoid the coast. There is no other evidence, you are making it up. Show us some evidence from COOPER, not Rat or GC that even suggests he wants to do anything but fly south...which is where Portland is. You can't produce a single shred. There's a reason for that. 

You fail to understand a compass. North is up, South is down. Even V23 isn't directly South, it goes slightly West and slightly East, You just don't understand this. You don't have to fly straight south 180 degrees to go south... You really make no sense with this..

FLY: Drag and fuel consumption is very basic stuff in aviation,, if he knew aviation even a little and refuelling procedures he would understand range limitations flying dirty. 

Why does he accept getting gaslight then? You want to have it both ways, Cooper understood the flying distance of a 727 both regular and knew dirty would limit it, but he just accepts abandoning his (second) plan because the cockpit said so? WTF? Makes no sense. Again, I know a small car with a 12 gallon tank can go more than 60 miles (in any configuration). I'm not letting someone gaslight me, where the downside is the rest of my life in a cage, into believing or negotiating or accepting that the car can only go 60 miles. I know it can go 200 miles. Why would I not say F you bro, fly this thing to Mexico or the blonde takes a free fall trip out the back? You have never addressed this, there is a reason. You can't. It doesn't add up. He has the bomb (you agree). He knows the distance flying clean (you agree). He understands dirty means less distance (you agree). But he just abandons his plan for...something...something...look over there it's a squirrel! 

I don't think he was gaslit.. that is your assumption,, I have addressed this,,,, you just didn't read it.. like I said we don't know what was in his head but he may have thought Reno was a setup and  decided to jump. He believed the plane could make Mexico and was informed it couldn't so he thinks they are setting him up, they weren't.

FLY: YES, it is unique,, now we are getting somewhere...  luck and novelty is your subjective opinion but too limiting,,, Those played a role but you miss errors, misunderstandings and incompetence which have a greater impact..  I found a massive error that may have undermined the investigation..

Point is this is a unique case and something unique caused it to remian unsolved,,,  

Here we agree. But that unique thing isn't his clear instructions to fly south. You keep using "path" but you haven't defined it. Cooper did give a path, go south. He couldn't have been any more clear. He did not discuss or accept West, East or North. Again, show a shred of evidence COOPER was open to going anyway but south? You can't. 

This is the biggest strawman I have ever seen in this case.. SOUTH is NOT a PATH...  You are very confused.

 

[FLYJACK 780]

3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

So now you ARE saying he was Cooper? Weren’t you saying just recently that you weren’t claiming he was Cooper, you just couldn’t eliminate him?

No, I found a major error that caused the FBI to eliminate him.

Doesn't mean he was Cooper.. this jumping South stuff doesn't either..

 

FWW,, I am leaving for bit.... got serious things going on..

[Kamkisky 24]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

 

I don't think he was gaslit.. that is your assumption,, I have addressed this,,,, you just didn't read it.. like I said we don't know what was in his head but he may have thought Reno was a setup and  decided to jump. He believed the plane could make Mexico and was informed it couldn't so he thinks they are setting him up, they weren't.

 

This is the definition of gaslighting. They are telling him something he knows isn't true trying to get him to believe it. 

Your whole theory here is Cooper thought (who's reading his mind now?) that he was being setup. So instead of saying no to the setup, which is based on information he knows is false, he just agrees to the setup and decides instead to jump at random into the night three countries from his final destination. Bonkers.

Just like he told the cowboy to go sit down, a Cooper with a plan to really go to Mexico tells the cockpit/GG to shove it, no more funny stuff and fly the plane to Mexico. There is no reason he can't do that. If needed Cooper could reiterate he has a blonde and bomb and he won't be taken alive. Captain Scott had a 16 year old daughter, he isn't going to play games. He'd fly the plane to Mexico. 

Let's be clear...if Cooper really wanted to go to Mexico he could have.  

Any theory without this obvious *and undisputed* fact incorporated can't be the right one.

Edited 5 hours ago by Kamkisky

[olemisscub 567]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

No, I found a major error that caused the FBI to eliminate him.

Debilitating nearsightedness from every eyewitness? 

Sorry, I couldn’t help the quip. Haha.

I look forward to seeing what you found one day. 

Hope all is well with you and yours. 

Edited 6 hours ago by olemisscub