DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 772]

8 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Lord have mercy, this again lol. Really? 

This isn’t complicated. The FBI concluded it was the best likeness because they didn’t realize there had been a consensus on Comp A. They’d have had no reason not to just age Comp A up and give him color if they realized there was a consensus. 

When every key witness likes a sketch (as they did with Comp A) there is no reason to turn the sketch into a completely different human except for a belief that there wasn’t a consensus. 

Of random interest is that it wasn’t case agents who recommended that the sketch be changed. It was an independent group of FBI investigators. FBI Director told the NORJAK case agents to select a couple of agents with fresh eyes to review the case files and write a report within two weeks with new leads or suggestions. 

The recommendation (not a terrible suggestion in principle to age the sketch up) and their mistake was part of this review. 

You are making an assumption, a very bad one..

The reason was for age and complexion... to get better leads and stop wasting time on poor ones.

The primary goal of a sketch is to get quality leads.. Sketch A was not doing that.

The fact is they used a better process for B and everyone liked it.

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6 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

You are making an assumption, a very bad one..

The reason was for age and complexion... to get better leads and stop wasting time on poor ones.

The primary goal of a sketch is to get quality leads.. Sketch A was not doing that.

The fact is they used a better process for B and everyone liked it.

It’s absurd to argue a sketch made a year after an event is better than one made days later that has a consensus.  Now that we all know that Flo liked Comp A, there is no reason whatsoever to dismiss it. Your agenda constantly drips through with this Comp B belligerence of yours. You know that there is no chance in hell that you could realistically get to Hahneman from Comp A. Impossible. But if you squint really hard, go cross-eyed, and then stand on your head then maybe you could get to Hahneman from Comp B. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:58 AM by olemisscub

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4 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I don’t need anyone to be lying, just mistaken. This is the same as the agent in 1980 reporting an erroneous statement about the money. Whoever believes Bill was more involved than Flo in Comp B is demonstrably wrong. There isn’t even a reasonable argument to be made.

And the process is irrelevant when it’s done 9-12 months after an event. Who the hell would remember a face they only saw for a few moments 9 months after they saw that face? It’s absurd.  Also, we have about as much input from the passengers with Comp A as we do with Comp B. 

So, the FBI just didn't understand that doing a sketch a year later was irrelevant.. 

and falsely claimed it was the best likeness... based on all the witnesses liking it.

They didn't figure it out because it isn't true, it is just something you invented to support sketch A..

 

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5 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

It’s absurd to argue a sketch made a year after an event is better than one made days later that has a consensus.  Now that we all know that Flo liked Comp A, there is no reason whatsoever to dismiss it. Your agenda constantly drips through with this Comp B belligerence of yours. You know that there is no chance in hell that you could realistically get to Hahneman from Comp A. Impossible. But if you squint really hard, go cross-eyed, and then stand on your head then maybe you could get to Hahneman from Comp B. 

The FBI made the claim it was the best, some witnesses liked it better. They are all absurd.. 

Flo liked A and B, then claimed none were any good.. reliable?

Hahneman has nothing to do with this, you pull that out for your endless strawman tactics when you have nothing and are losing.

Anyone who doesn't agree with your made up nonsense is biased..

This is a pattern, I have the same position as the FBI but I am accused of being biased.

Is it in your book? Better be careful.. I have receipts.

You are wrong on sketch A being better, you have nothing to back it up.

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50 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

The FBI made the claim it was the best, some witnesses liked it better. They are all absurd.. 

Flo liked A and B, then claimed none were any good.. reliable?

Hahneman has nothing to do with this, you pull that out for your endless strawman tactics when you have nothing and are losing.

Anyone who doesn't agree with your made up nonsense is biased..

This is a pattern, I have the same position as the FBI but I am accused of being biased.

Is it in your book? Better be careful.. I have receipts.

You are wrong on sketch A being better, you have nothing to back it up.

As far as sketch A vs. sketch B......we will never know which is better.....unless we catch him lol......kinda like arguing religion imho.

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7 minutes ago, haggarknew said:

As far as sketch A vs. sketch B......we will never know which is better.....unless we catch him lol......kinda like arguing religion imho.

You have a point.

Sketches are really for generating leads... they are weak evidence.

Sketch A is not even human, nose way too small, looks way too young, no complexion.. and the FBI said B is the best likeness, witnesses thought it was excellent.

Ryan needs clickbait for his book. So, he invented A being better. Good luck with that.

Edited Wednesday at 03:16 AM by FLYJACK

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It is just a fact that Mitchell was was not under the same level of anxiety as the stews.. Flo probably affected the most.

He was not aware of the bomb threat,,

It is reasonable for the FBI to know this and use that information in their investigation.

There is no reason to doubt Galen's claim that the FBI elevated Mitchell's observations because he was a more neutral observer since the underlying premise is true.

In fact, that neutral observer might even be extended to the four male passenger witnesses.

 

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Sketch B is a very good match for Murphy.. sketch a is not.

Witnesses really liked Murphy in glasses and hat.

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15 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I have that undisclosed Cooper image

Are you saying that you have a photograph of Cooper?

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4 hours ago, dudeman17 said:

Are you saying that you have a photograph of Cooper?

I have an image from a witness. Looks closer to sketch B but not exactly, nothing like A.

No Michael Jackson nose.

Sketch B is better than A,, but still a composite sketch..

[olemisscub 548]

19 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

 

Ryan needs clickbait for his book. So, he invented A being better. Good luck with that.

Yes, I invented Tina saying that Comp A looks “almost 100% like him” and Flo saying she “likes it very much” within days of the event. Sheer invention. I also invented the passengers only suggesting that slight alterations be made to it. 

Anyone who isn’t agenda driven to support Comp B would very easily understand that a sketch that the witnesses like days after an event must logically be believed to be better than a sketch everyone likes of a different looking person made a year after the event. Claiming that a belief in such a thing is an “invention” is pathetic. Human memory doesn’t work like you’re suggesting.

Also, why in the hell would me honestly interpreting the case files a certain way and then actually sharing it on open forums be “clickbait”? An example of clickbait would be claiming to have an unreleased image of Cooper and then telling people that they would have to buy my book to see it, and yes, I know you’ve never said that. I’m merely pointing out with Clickbait would actually be. 

Finally, I take no personal stance in the book as to which one is better. The book is about the history of the Cooper case, not my opinions. People who have proofread my book like Mark would attest that my book does not have outright opinions. I simply lay out the facts. Since you seem so preoccupied with what I’m going to say in the book, this is my conclusion to the chapter about the sketches. CLicKbaIT!!1!

Edited Wednesday at 10:28 PM by olemisscub

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16 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Yes, I invented Tina saying that Comp A looks “almost 100% like him” and Flo saying she “likes it very much” within days of the event. Sheer invention. I also invented the passengers only suggesting that slight alterations be made to it. 

Anyone who isn’t agenda driven to support Comp B would very easily understand that a sketch that the witnesses like days after an event must logically be believed to be better than a sketch everyone likes of a different looking person made a year after the event. Claiming that a belief in such a thing is an “invention” is pathetic. Human memory doesn’t work like you’re suggesting.

Also, why in the hell would me honestly interpreting the case files a certain way and then actually sharing it on open forums be “clickbait”? An example of clickbait would be claiming to have an unreleased image of Cooper and then telling people that they would have to buy my book to see it, and yes, I know you’ve never said that. I’m merely pointing out with Clickbait would actually be. 

Finally, I take no personal stance in the book as to which one is better. The book is about the history of the Cooper case, not my opinions. People who have proofread my book like Mark would attest that my book does not have outright opinions. I simply lay out the facts. Since you seem so preoccupied with what I’m going to say in the book, this is my conclusion to the chapter about the sketches. CLicKbaIT!!1!

Tina also said she never saw Cooper's face..... so, there's that.

But I would be the first to applaud you if you are sticking to the facts..  because you've got some wacky opinions.

You are so aggressive with your sketch A better theory it suggests you lack confidence in it.

Edited Wednesday at 10:42 PM by FLYJACK

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39 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Tina also said she never saw Cooper's face..... so, there's that.

But I would be the first to applaud you if you are sticking to the facts..  because you've got some wacky opinions.

You are so aggressive with your sketch A better theory it suggests you lack confidence

I have enough confidence in it to post it everywhere in the Cooperverse and discuss it on my show in front of a couple thousand people. You would never dare express  this illogical Comp B argument anywhere where you might get more than one or two responses. You might get your feelings hurt if you did. 

and you wanna talk about aggression? You must have zero confidence in any of your opinions considering that you are easily the most aggressive Cooperite besides Blevins. 

And do tell what wacky opinions I have. I suppose it doesn’t get any wackier than thinking that someone’s memory is better two days after an event as opposed to their memory300 days after an event. How wacky. Forgive me for not thinking that my memory of the dude I just saw at the gas station is going to be better a year from now than two days from now. Truly wacky.

and that’s really rich talk from you claiming that I have wacky opinions considering whom you believe to be Cooper. It was pretty humorous the other day when you wrote that you just have to figure out how the FBI never realized that they had Cooper in custody with Hahneman. 

Hmmm… what could those reasons be? Perhaps because he wasn’t Cooper? 

Edited Wednesday at 11:19 PM by olemisscub

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23 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I have enough confidence in it to post it everywhere in the Cooperverse and discuss it on my show in front of a couple thousand people. You would never dare express  this illogical Comp B argument anywhere where you might get more than one or two responses. You might get your feelings hurt if you did. 

and you wanna talk about aggression? You must have zero confidence in any of your opinions considering that you are easily the most aggressive Cooperite besides Blevins. 

And do tell what wacky opinions I have. I suppose it doesn’t get any wackier than thinking that someone’s memory is better two days after an event as opposed to their memory300 days after an event. How wacky. Forgive me for not thinking that my memory of the dude I just saw at the gas station is going to be better a year from now than two days from now. Truly wacky.

and that’s really rich talk from you claiming that I have wacky opinions considering whom you believe to be Cooper. It was pretty humorous the other day when you wrote that you just have to figure out how the FBI never realized that they had Cooper in custody with Hahneman. 

Hmmm… what could those reasons be? Perhaps because he wasn’t Cooper? 

Whatever,,,  Your sketch A argument is absurd.. your comment is full of personal insults because you lack confidence.

You actually have no idea what you are even talking about. I know exaclty where the FBI messed up.

Stick to your nutty ideas.. I prefer you keep them and continue digging yourself into a big hole. 

 

[Nicholas Broughton 78]

New podcast episode on the case, featuring Mr. 302 himself, Ryan Burns. If Ryan’s opinions are wacky then Fly’s are downright bizarre. Like Tina actually taking some of the ransom money from Cooper and later throwing it in the river near Tbar LOL! 
 

 

[dudeman17 351]

4 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I have an image from a witness.

 

4 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

image

 

I'm trying to define this. Is this a photograph that someone took in the airplane or the terminal? Did a witness have their own sketch done?   ??

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15 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

 

 

I'm trying to define this. Is this a photograph that someone took in the airplane or the terminal? Did a witness have their own sketch done?   ??

He won’t tell you. It’s top secret. But just trust him…it TOTALLY helps his argument. 

We’ve already had a passenger do his own sketch fwiw. Spreckel was a graphic designer and modified Comp A less than a week after the hijacking. I’ve FOIA’d for a cleaner version of it, but clearly it still resembles Comp A.

It’s just too bad Spreckel didn’t draw one a year later since his memory of Cooper’s face would have been MUCH better at that time… 

Edited yesterday at 02:17 AM by olemisscub

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Whatever,,,  Your sketch A argument is absurd.. your comment is full of personal insults because you lack confidence.

 

Funny. You have a habit of dishing it out but not being able to take it. You literally called me all of these names within a single 3 day period back in 2023. 

 

[olemisscub 548]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Whatever,,,  Your sketch A argument is absurd.. your comment is full of personal insults because you lack confidence.

You actually have no idea what you are even talking about. I know exaclty where the FBI messed up.

Stick to your nutty ideas.. I prefer you keep them and continue digging yourself into a big hole. 

 

What are examples of these nutty ideas? Wonder if they’re as nutty as thinking that a human being has better memory retention within days of an event than they do a year after an event. Such a wild idea of mine to think that… 

Edited yesterday at 02:27 AM by olemisscub

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I know exaclty where the FBI messed up.

By not using this sketch? 

Edited yesterday at 02:26 AM by olemisscub

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23 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Funny. You have a habit of dishing it out but not being able to take it. You literally called me all of these names within a single 3 day period back in 2023. 

 

Sure, when you lie and attack me personally I will respond.

You said I have psychological defect ONLY because I didn't accept your theory.

It was not provoked. 

 

[Kamkisky 13]

Fun with AI.
 

Hilariously the combo of Hahneman and comp A actually looks more plausible.  

[Kamkisky 13]

The final score on the boarding:

Flo - second to last has some secondary evidence in support of her statement.

Gregory - he thought he was last to board and was likely the third from the end. He just didn’t notice Cooper or Bill Mitchell come in after him and take seats further back. 

Bill Mitchell - he likely wasn’t with the terminal group and runs to catch the flight after calling his folks after getting a standby ticket. He doesn’t notice Cooper boarding because Cooper boards before him. 

Dan Cooper - he intentionally boards last of the terminal group. He wanted to be last, Bill just ruins that by calling home and running late. 

Michael Cooper - seems to be conflating things 50 years on. 

[FLYJACK 772]

28 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

What are examples of these nutty ideas? Wonder if they’re as nutty as thinking that a human being has better memory retention within days of an event than they do a year after an event. Such a wild idea of mine to think that… 

Cooper CAN'T be under 5-10....  the FBI used 5-8 as the lower bound for elimination..

See a pattern,, I agree with the FBI and get attacked for it..

You are 100% correct and I have even said that generally a memory is better closer to an event.. 

However, that doesn't mean that happened here. If the process was identical it would have merit but the process was not the same, the witness inputs were not the same. Sketch A was quick, B took longer with more witnesses. All the witnesses liked B,, and I that image that looks closer to B...  the FBI admitted B was the best sketch.

You can't just apply a general claim without context..  it doesn't make it true.

There is no argument.. Sketch B is the best likeness.

[FLYJACK 772]

41 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

By not using this sketch? 

 

This is your game,, you just make up stuff..