olemisscub 548 #65401 July 9 13 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: I can explain that but don't want to give it all away.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 772 #65402 July 9 13 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Then he was a fool. That’s not at all how explosives work. But to be fair, he only needed to fool his hostages. He claimed it was packed with detonators and plastic explosives... it wasn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 772 #65403 July 9 9 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Sure it sucks but there are things I can't reveal.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65404 July 9 On 7/8/2025 at 11:06 AM, FLYJACK said: I have no plans to attend.. Sorry you don't plan on attending. I would enjoy meeting you along with meeting everyone else! I look forward to discussing the case in a more private setting. I am hoping a lot of the old timers are able to attend! I guess I can always hope that you change your mind? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 548 #65405 July 10 5 minutes ago, FLYJACK said: Sure it sucks but there are things I can't reveal.. Honestly though, the only explanation you could have (and perhaps this is what you have) to explain such a discrepancy in personality would be that he was a complete lunatic and suffered from legitimate multiple personality disorder like something from a movie. I think we all understand that Hahneman was mentally disturbed but he behaves like an entirely different human than Cooper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 548 #65406 July 10 (edited) 23 minutes ago, haggarknew said: I guess I can always hope that you change your mind? That will sadly never happen. It’s too bad though. He has no reason to be so shy. I mean, to not even go on Darren’s show is pretty wild. Although Georger never has either. I think he and Georger are the only two longtime Cooperites who haven’t. Edited July 10 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 772 #65407 July 10 9 minutes ago, olemisscub said: Honestly though, the only explanation you could have (and perhaps this is what you have) to explain such a discrepancy in personality would be that he was a complete lunatic and suffered from legitimate multiple personality disorder like something from a movie. I think we all understand that Hahneman was mentally disturbed but he behaves like an entirely different human than Cooper. No, nothing like that.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 548 #65408 July 10 FWIW, I find Hahneman’s hijacking to be the most entertaining in retrospect. They apparently served drinks throughout the event to keep passengers calm and you’d swear that some of them were dead drunk by what they were doing onboard and what they said to the media afterward. One of my favorites is a passenger asking the President of Eastern Airlines, former astronaut Frank Borman, to autograph his boarding pass once he got off the plane and recognized him in the terminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 548 #65409 July 10 Just now, FLYJACK said: No, nothing like that.. You better not be going down the Reca grift path of claiming that this mentally deranged loser was actually some super stud CIA asset. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 772 #65410 July 10 15 minutes ago, olemisscub said: You better not be going down the Reca grift path of claiming that this mentally deranged loser was actually some super stud CIA asset. HAHA,, no nothing like that.. I have facts.. not speculation.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65411 July 10 35 minutes ago, olemisscub said: That will sadly never happen. It’s too bad though. He has no reason to be so shy. I mean, to not even go on Darren’s show is pretty wild. Although Georger never has either. I think he and Georger are the only two longtime Cooperites who haven’t. I'll respect anybody's choice on this but I agree that it is disappointing. I believe they both would be excellent guests on Darren's show! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooperNWO305 158 #65412 July 10 1 hour ago, olemisscub said: That will sadly never happen. It’s too bad though. He has no reason to be so shy. I mean, to not even go on Darren’s show is pretty wild. Although Georger never has either. I think he and Georger are the only two longtime Cooperites who haven’t. What is the value of him going on Darren’s podcast? Darren is a good guy, but it’s not like the podcast is Joe Rogan or something. Fly is a prolific poster and there is way more of his thinking on here than most. Anyone interested in what he thinks can just look here. For as much activity that goes on here, there is not a strong correlation with how the outside world sees Cooper. They think it’s McCoy or Loki or Rackstraw. Or Charles Westmoreland. Fly going on a show just for Cooperites will only be heard by Cooperites. If he has good info then it’s better that he holds it and delivers it outside the Vortex and not feel the need to get some blessing from people in the Vortex. Rick McCoy. Tom Colbert. R99. Jo Weber. Plenty of people have not been on that podcast. I got a text today from someone asking me about the new FBI files released. Like it was some big deal. I had to explain the real story. But that’s what the general public sees. Nicky pushing someone to come out more in public is a joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65413 July 10 8 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said: What is the value of him going on Darren’s podcast? Darren is a good guy, but it’s not like the podcast is Joe Rogan or something. Fly is a prolific poster and there is way more of his thinking on here than most. Anyone interested in what he thinks can just look here. For as much activity that goes on here, there is not a strong correlation with how the outside world sees Cooper. They think it’s McCoy or Loki or Rackstraw. Or Charles Westmoreland. Fly going on a show just for Cooperites will only be heard by Cooperites. If he has good info then it’s better that he holds it and delivers it outside the Vortex and not feel the need to get some blessing from people in the Vortex. Rick McCoy. Tom Colbert. R99. Jo Weber. Plenty of people have not been on that podcast. I got a text today from someone asking me about the new FBI files released. Like it was some big deal. I had to explain the real story. But that’s what the general public sees. Nicky pushing someone to come out more in public is a joke. Personally I would also add Shutter to the list as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65414 July 10 3 minutes ago, haggarknew said: Personally I would also add Shutter to the list as well. Has Darren ever had 377 on his show? Another I hope to meet at CC!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Broughton 78 #65415 July 10 (edited) 55 minutes ago, haggarknew said: Has Darren ever had 377 on his show? Another I hope to meet at CC!! Yes, it’s a classic episode. I had the treat of being in the hotel room when they recorded it, the day before Cooper Con 2019. Mark is a real gem, just the kindest warmest guy you will ever meet. He coined the term, The Cooper Vortex. If only one person in the world could know who Cooper was, I’d want it to be Mark without question. Looking forward to meeting you at The DB Cooper Conference this year Haggar! Edited July 10 by Nicholas Broughton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Broughton 78 #65416 July 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, haggarknew said: 1 hour ago, haggarknew said: Personally I would also add Shutter to the list as well. Absolutely, has anyone talked to shutt lately? Noticed the forum part of his website has been down. I hope he’s doing okay. Edited July 10 by Nicholas Broughton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65417 July 10 8 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said: Yes, it’s a classic episode. I was actually in the hotel room during Cooper Con, when they recorded it. Mark is a real gem, just the kindest warmest guy you will ever meet. He coined the term The Cooper Vortex. If only one person in the world could know who Cooper was, I’d want it to be Mark without question. Looking forward to meeting you at The DB Cooper Conference this year Haggar! Thank you Nicky, I look forward to meeting you as well ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 772 #65418 July 10 14 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said: What is the value of him going on Darren’s podcast? Darren is a good guy, but it’s not like the podcast is Joe Rogan or something. Fly is a prolific poster and there is way more of his thinking on here than most. Anyone interested in what he thinks can just look here. For as much activity that goes on here, there is not a strong correlation with how the outside world sees Cooper. They think it’s McCoy or Loki or Rackstraw. Or Charles Westmoreland. Fly going on a show just for Cooperites will only be heard by Cooperites. If he has good info then it’s better that he holds it and delivers it outside the Vortex and not feel the need to get some blessing from people in the Vortex. Rick McCoy. Tom Colbert. R99. Jo Weber. Plenty of people have not been on that podcast. I got a text today from someone asking me about the new FBI files released. Like it was some big deal. I had to explain the real story. But that’s what the general public sees. Nicky pushing someone to come out more in public is a joke. That is a good point,,, these podcast/videos are for Cooper people... doing something for the general public is a completely different ballgame... I have discussed Cooper with top level media off the record and you need to build a base foundation of case facts just to start.. very challenging and time consuming. I imaging Ryan has faced this issue with his book,, balancing a Cooper audience with the public audience level knowledge. But Nicky's whining is a red herring, it makes no sense to criticize me for not doing Cooper media, Georger hasn't done any either. I have done more media by reach than anyone in the Cooper world.. So, it isn't the real issue, Nicky is threatened and is throwing anything he can grab at me in a tantrum because he can't articulate his fear.. just lies and misinformation to discredit. Nicky represents the toxic nature of the Vortex that undermines the advancement of the case.. he needs an intervention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65419 July 10 13 hours ago, Nicholas Broughton said: Absolutely, has anyone talked to shutt lately? Noticed the forum part of his website has been down. I hope he’s doing okay. I hope Shutter is okay as well ! His website will be missed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 772 #65420 July 10 Tina went to the front approx 4 minutes after takeoff.. The rear lights were OFF... when she went forward and last saw Cooper standing About 8:00 Tina saw the stair light go on... shortly after Cooper said he was having trouble with the stairs.. that indicates the lever was moved out of the up/lock detent a second time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Broughton 78 #65421 July 10 2 hours ago, haggarknew said: I hope Shutter is okay as well ! His website will be missed! Just got word, he’s fine. The site got hacked by a group in Turkey. He’s working to restore. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65422 July 10 13 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said: Just got word, he’s fine. The site got hacked by a group in Turkey. He’s working to restore. Very glad to hear! Thanks for the information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haggarknew 5 #65423 July 10 16 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said: Just got word, he’s fine. The site got hacked by a group in Turkey. He’s working to restore. Does Shutter attend the conferences? I would enjoy meeting him someday! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Broughton 78 #65424 July 10 3 minutes ago, haggarknew said: Does Shutter attend the conferences? I would enjoy meeting him someday! No but if you ever find yourself down in south Florida, I’m sure he’d be happy to meet you up for lunch. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 268 #65425 July 10 17 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said: No but if you ever find yourself down in south Florida, I’m sure he’d be happy to meet you up for lunch. is Chaucer recovering ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
