DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 769]

I see a bigger issue bubbling up...

What is a solve in this case now?

The DNA is a dead end..

The tie left by Cooper might not have been worn by him when the particles were deposited. OR, a vaguely matched environment.

Cooper is most certainly dead by now so no prosecution.

The only way left to put a suspect on the plane is the finger/palm prints, a match is a defacto solve. However, that may be impossible, the prints might not be Cooper or Cooper may not have prints available to match.

That leaves a circumstantial case, always a problem and can be dismissed with doubt.

I am still holding out hope for the prints.. but that isn't a guarantee. Without that I can't see a 100% solve.

 

 

[Kamkisky 11]

18 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

I see a bigger issue bubbling up...

What is a solve in this case now?

The DNA is a dead end..

The tie left by Cooper might not have been worn by him when the particles were deposited. OR, a vaguely matched environment.

Cooper is most certainly dead by now so no prosecution.

The only way left to put a suspect on the plane is the finger/palm prints, a match is a defacto solve. However, that may be impossible, the prints might not be Cooper or Cooper may not have prints available to match.

That leaves a circumstantial case, always a problem and can be dismissed with doubt.

I am still holding out hope for the prints.. but that isn't a guarantee. Without that I can't see a 100% solve.

 

 

There might never be a piece of evidence that would convict someone in court. Even the palm print could be someone else’s and the same with the hair slide. But there could be a series of circumstantial pieces of evidence that form a narrative that’s really solid. If someone can tell the correct story of Cooper maybe that springs more evidence loose.
 

The money being found in grandpa’s closet probably isn’t happening but the right story being told could prompt a kid or grandkid to find a photo or letter or something that collaborates the story. I think this is the best hope. Would everyone agree? Hell no. But we could have video, DNA evidence and a court conviction and some people still wouldn’t agree. If this case settles it does so with a generally agreed upon suspect, not universal acceptance. 
 

[Kamkisky 11]

Hey Ryan….Ive heard you say there are audio recording of the parajacking that are in the possession of one woman who worked at NWO. My question, Cooper is a federal crime and the statute of limitations has not expired due to the John Doe warrant…is it legal for a private citizen to withhold that evidence of a Federal crime? 

My guess is that it’s not legal unless the authorities have the evidence too. If that’s the case can the audio be FOIA’ed? And if not, can this lady be forced to turn over the audio legally? It’s literal evidence that could be used to solve the case in the modern era. 
 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Kamkisky

[FLYJACK 769]

44 minutes ago, Kamkisky said:

Hey Ryan….Ive heard you say there are audio recording of the parajacking that are in the possession of one woman who worked at NWO. My question, Cooper is a federal crime and the statute of limitations has not expired due to the John Doe warrant…is it legal for a private citizen to withhold that evidence of a Federal crime? 

My guess is that it’s not legal unless the authorities have the evidence too. If that’s the case can the audio be FOIA’ed? And if not, can this lady be forced to turn over the audio legally? It’s literal evidence that could be used to solve the case in the modern era. 
 

 

um no,,

The FBI has the full transcript and we have a slightly edited one. The few redactions are not NORJAK related they claim.. having the audio would be interesting and could confirm those redactions but won't solve the case.

[FLYJACK 769]

2 hours ago, Kamkisky said:

There might never be a piece of evidence that would convict someone in court. Even the palm print could be someone else’s and the same with the hair slide. But there could be a series of circumstantial pieces of evidence that form a narrative that’s really solid. If someone can tell the correct story of Cooper maybe that springs more evidence loose.
 

The money being found in grandpa’s closet probably isn’t happening but the right story being told could prompt a kid or grandkid to find a photo or letter or something that collaborates the story. I think this is the best hope. Would everyone agree? Hell no. But we could have video, DNA evidence and a court conviction and some people still wouldn’t agree. If this case settles it does so with a generally agreed upon suspect, not universal acceptance. 
 

I forgot about the hair slide,, it is gone.

Finding money is real long shot..

IMO, the best hope is those prints but most people did not have palm prints taken back then. 

[Robert99 60]

3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

 

IMO, the best hope is those prints but most people did not have palm prints taken back then. 

Yes, they did!

[FLYJACK 769]

8 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Yes, they did!

Not exactly, it wasn't standard for LEO's until years later. So, most "suspects" won't have palm prints on file but may have fingerprints. The FBI didn't have a palm print database until 2013, other agencies earlier, California 2004.

In the 70's it was not yet standard to take palm prints, they were only taken for special circumstances. It would be rare to have a suspect's palm print from that era.

[olemisscub 545]

8 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Yes, they did!

Palm prints weren’t taken by law enforcement as standard practice until LAPD and NYPD began doing it in 2003. 

As per Mike Davis (former paratrooper of the year and current military recruiter who I’ve interviewed on my channel), the military still don’t take palm prints and never have. 

Even if we had clean fingerprints, which we don’t, it would be unlikely to help unless his prints were in the FBI’s database. If he was in the Army or Air Force, his prints would have been destroyed in the 1973 St. Louis fire. If he was Navy or Marines, his prints would exist but they wouldn’t be in the NCIC database. So military prints are a dead end.

Ultimately, the prints are sadly useless IMO.

Concerning the case being solved, it’s hair slide or bust. If that was found then forensic genealogy could be applied and find an appropriate suspect. Even still, there would be those who would claim the hair didn’t come from Cooper (a logical possibility) and/or that it’s the wrong person who was found through genealogy. 

Absent some fantastical scenario where someone finds a large amount of the money in grandfather’s attic, and grandfather is a good match to the descriptions, I doubt there would ever be a suspect whom 95% of the community would agree is Cooper. 

[FLYJACK 769]

23 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Palm prints weren’t taken by law enforcement as standard practice until LAPD and NYPD began doing it in 2003. 

As per Mike Davis (former paratrooper of the year and current military recruiter who I’ve interviewed on my channel), the military still don’t take palm prints and never have. 

Even if we had clean fingerprints, which we don’t, it would be unlikely to help unless his prints were in the FBI’s database. If he was in the Army or Air Force, his prints would have been destroyed in the 1973 St. Louis fire. If he was Navy or Marines, his prints would exist but they wouldn’t be in the NCIC database. So military prints are a dead end.

Ultimately, the prints are sadly useless IMO.

Concerning the case being solved, it’s hair slide or bust. If that was found then forensic genealogy could be applied and find an appropriate suspect. Even still, there would be those who would claim the hair didn’t come from Cooper (a logical possibility) and/or that it’s the wrong person who was found through genealogy. 

Absent some fantastical scenario where someone finds a large amount of the money in grandfather’s attic, and grandfather is a good match to the descriptions, I doubt there would ever be a suspect whom 95% of the community would agree is Cooper. 

No, prints aren't useless,, challenging but not useless.

[olemisscub 545]

8 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

No, prints aren't useless,, challenging but not useless.

Well, it’s not like the public will ever have access to them. It would take the FBI to try and do something with them using modern technology or releasing them to an outside source, which you and I both know they won’t do because they don’t care to spend any more resources on this.

And even still, there would still need to be available source prints within the NCIC database. Your suspect’s prints are in that database, so I understand where you’re coming from with this, but it would still take the FBI releasing those partial prints, which they won’t ever do.