DB Cooper

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  On 5/8/2025 at 2:18 AM, FunnyStuff said:

I'm curious your thoughts on how TB money could've been the money offered to Tina. I can agree that it is likely Cooper offered up one "packet" or 3 bundles for $6,000 (which couldve later become $5,800 on TB due to deterioration) but I can't think of a way the packet gets to TB. Are you suggesting Cooper didn't properly fasten that packet back to himself and it fell from the plane later? Or are you suggesting it's a Tina based plant and he used one packet because he had offered her that? Both seem unlikely.

First, these are theories, not fact..

I have several competing TBAR theories.

The key is that the money offered to Tina was the only known money separated from the ransom in the bag, perhaps the money offered to the other stews but we don't have clear info on that. Logical inference suggests it is likely the money that ended up on TBAR.

Tosaw initially suggested that the money offered to Tina ended up in Cooper's coat pocket, he landed in the Columbia and it ended up on TBAR. I don't think Cooper went into the Columbia but the idea that the money in his coat pocket somehow ended up on TBAR is reasonable.

For Tina, if one claim is switched it all falls onto place. She said she handed the money back, if she didn't or Cooper snuck it back into her purse then the TBAR money likely came from Tina. If Tina somehow got that money and was too scared to report it, she kept it until the late 70's and when she lived near Portland just one mile from the Columbia River. She told her brother in law and he threw it in the Columbia to protect her. 

The most likely process was that the money was thrown into the Columbia to discard it, not human buried. That may may have been via Tina or perhaps Cooper paid somebody for a ride from money in his coat pocket and they tossed it. The most likely spot is just 2 miles upstream at Frenchman's Bar, a public park with easy beach access. If somebody is carrying money it would likely be in some type of container and tossed into the River in a container.. some type of bag perhaps a brown paper bag..  which will float for some time.. So, when people claim the money sinks, true on its own but it is more likely that it went into the River in some type of container. 

IMO, TBAR will never be solved.. just some theories.

 

Edited May 8 by FLYJACK

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  On 5/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, FLYJACK said:

First, these are theories, not fact..

I have several competing TBAR theories.

The key is that the money offered to Tina was the only known money separated from the ransom in the bag, perhaps the money offered to the other stews but we don't have clear info on that. Logical inference suggests it is likely the money that ended up on TBAR.

Tosaw initially suggested that the money offered to Tina ended up in Cooper's coat pocket, he landed in the Columbia and it ended up on TBAR. I don't think Cooper went into the Columbia but the idea that the money in his coat pocket somehow ended up on TBAR is reasonable.

For Tina, if one claim is switched it all falls onto place. She said she handed the money back, if she didn't or Cooper snuck it back into her purse then the TBAR money likely came from Tina. If Tina somehow got that money and was too scared to report it, she kept it until the late 70's and when she lived near Portland just one mile from the Columbia River. She told her brother in law and he threw it in the Columbia to protect her. 

The most likely process was that the money was thrown into the Columbia to discard it, not human buried. That may may have been via Tina or perhaps Cooper paid somebody for a ride from money in his coat pocket and they tossed it. The most likely spot is just 2 miles upstream at Frenchman's Bar, a public park with easy beach access. If somebody is carrying money it would likely be in some type of container and tossed into the River in a container.. some type of bag perhaps a brown paper bag..  which will float for some time.. So, when people claim the money sinks, true on its own but it is more likely that it went into the River in some type of container. 

IMO, TBAR will never be solved.. just some theories.

 

Interesting takes.  I personally feel the low buoyancy of one packet (3 bundles) makes it nearly impossible to have traveled further than 10 feet down the Columbia.  I do love the fact thatt this theory explains away the issue of the remaining money, parachute, and body from TB are all missing but it seems extremely unlikely that one packet could have made it's way there naturally.  Between the facts it doesn't float, TK claiming there was no silt present on the bills, and the spring time diatoms it seems very likely the bag acted as a vehicle to snag on a branch or log and as a shield from some of the elements until a flood.

 

IMO the current leader in the clubhouse on TB money is Cooper lost some or all of it on descent/landing (most likely only some), the fazio's sand and gravel business purchased sand sourced from the area he landed, and the sand was dumped onto TB with the packet buried among the dirt.  As you mentioned though, these can only be considered "theories" and shouldn't ever be considered facts or absolutes.

Edited May 8 by FunnyStuff

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  On 5/8/2025 at 2:34 PM, FunnyStuff said:

Interesting takes.  I personally feel the low buoyancy of one packet (3 bundles) makes it nearly impossible to have traveled further than 10 feet down the Columbia.  I do love the fact thatt this theory explains away the issue of the remaining money, parachute, and body from TB are all missing but it seems extremely unlikely that one packet could have made it's way there naturally.  Between the facts it doesn't float, TK claiming there was no silt present on the bills, and the spring time diatoms it seems very likely the bag acted as a vehicle to snag on a branch or log and as a shield from some of the elements until a flood.

 

IMO the current leader in the clubhouse on TB money is Cooper lost some or all of it on descent/landing (most likely only some), the fazio's sand and gravel business purchased sand sourced from the area he landed, and the sand was dumped onto TB with the packet buried among the dirt.  As you mentioned though, these can only be considered "theories" and shouldn't ever be considered facts or absolutes.

No, the Fazio exported sand from the River... it was also about 500 ft south of the TBAR find.. The TBAR money money spot was a few feet from the border of the next northern property.

The money alone would sink but still have some buoyancy to be pushed along the river bottom..

Granted TBAR is speculation, there are some theories that are better than others.

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  On 5/8/2025 at 2:44 AM, monk71 said:

The new vault 106, page 30, says:

582. $20 bill cashed at Gas Station with
     Ransom Serial  (Unsub)

I assume this is an error... that the numbers did not match. Just odd how this was included, yet important info is missing.

I read this as the agent documenting possible outcomes to investigate and not necessarily actual known events.  I can't imagine that a serial number hit and it wasn't documented anywhere else.

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  On 5/8/2025 at 2:56 PM, FLYJACK said:

No, the Fazio exported sand from the River... it was also about 500 ft south of the TBAR find.. The TBAR money money spot was a few feet from the border of the next northern property.

The money alone would sink but still have some buoyancy to be pushed along the river bottom..

Granted TBAR is speculation, there are some theories that are better than others.

You may have knowledge of the Fazio's operation I have not heard before, I'm curious if there is an interview or document which explains the details of their operation.  The description of their business in their WA articles of incorporation(attached here I think, still new here so not sure the file attachment works) seem to suggest harvesting sand/gravel from pits and/or brokering sand/gravel from others is on the table.

 

Don't you feel one packet fully exposed to the elements and not shielded by the bag and surronding money would deteriorate much more advanced than we see in the bundle?  Also, the probability of catching a ride on a log or mound of drift would drops with the single packet.

 

As with most things in this case, speculation is unfortunately the only route here but certainly some scenarios have much higher probabilities than others.

Fazio Sand and Gravel Articles of Incorporation WA.pdfFetching info...

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  On 5/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, FLYJACK said:

First, these are theories, not fact..

IMO, TBAR will never be solved.. just some theories.

Here's the theory nobody likes to think about. From one of the witnesses who dug up the money. Listen to him on the 2016 History Channel documentary... 

Is it a landmark? It is particularly interesting if you watch the reaction during video playback of someone noticing Ingram at a party. Seems like one theory that sits higher on the list of money find explanations!

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  On 5/8/2025 at 4:41 PM, c99acer said:

Here's the theory nobody likes to think about. From one of the witnesses who dug up the money. Listen to him on the 2016 History Channel documentary... 

Is it a landmark? It is particularly interesting if you watch the reaction during video playback of someone noticing Ingram at a party. Seems like one theory that sits higher on the list of money find explanations!

Having trouble finding this interview.  What was the name of the documentary?

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  On 5/8/2025 at 3:14 PM, FunnyStuff said:

You may have knowledge of the Fazio's operation I have not heard before, I'm curious if there is an interview or document which explains the details of their operation.  The description of their business in their WA articles of incorporation(attached here I think, still new here so not sure the file attachment works) seem to suggest harvesting sand/gravel from pits and/or brokering sand/gravel from others is on the table.

 

Don't you feel one packet fully exposed to the elements and not shielded by the bag and surronding money would deteriorate much more advanced than we see in the bundle?  Also, the probability of catching a ride on a log or mound of drift would drops with the single packet.

 

As with most things in this case, speculation is unfortunately the only route here but certainly some scenarios have much higher probabilities than others.

Fazio Sand and Gravel Articles of Incorporation WA.pdf 268.67 kB · 1 download

That was a 1975 Incorporation.. those docs are meant to describe the widest business operation foreseeable but not necessarily carried out. It does not show that they imported sand from other operations. They obtained their sand from the River. It may be possible something was brought in to mix but I don't see any way the TBAR money could be trucked in, dumped and then migrate 500 ft to its spot intact. Not only is that an extreme long shot but the money would not remain in its condition. The money landed there in the condition it was given to Cooper. For three packets to remain bundled and largely intact limits the mechanism by which it was moved. The best explanation is that somebody tossed it into the River.

The big problem I have and go back and forth on is when.. Did the money arrive in a spring soon after the hijacking or was it in the late 70's. Palmer thought within a few years of the find. If we knew that we could narrow down some of these theories.

My latest idea,, if the money arrived close to the hijacking is that the 1974 dredge operation went on top of it. That eroded to 1980 and exposed it. The dredge layer Palmer identified as 1974 being beneath the money was actually a pre-Norjak 1970 dredge layer.

 

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  On 5/8/2025 at 6:37 PM, FunnyStuff said:

Having trouble finding this interview.  What was the name of the documentary?

These images were taken from the July 10, 2016, "D.B. Cooper: Case Closed?" History Channel two part series. The stills were pulled at about 60 minute mark of Episode 1. Lots of interesting stuff in there about Dick Briggs connection to case, if you can get over the Rackstraw push. 

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  On 5/8/2025 at 7:22 PM, c99acer said:

These images were taken from the July 10, 2016, "D.B. Cooper: Case Closed?" History Channel two part series. The stills were pulled at about 60 minute mark of Episode 1. Lots of interesting stuff in there about Dick Briggs connection to case, if you can get over the Rackstraw push. 

Haven't seen that for a long time but it relies on stories from sketchy people, no evidence..

Cooper was regarded as a hero back then,, to brag many people claimed to know him or even be him... 

I don't give Briggs or the party story any credibility. 

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  On 5/8/2025 at 7:16 PM, FLYJACK said:

That was a 1975 Incorporation.. those docs are meant to describe the widest business operation foreseeable but not necessarily carried out. It does not show that they imported sand from other operations. They obtained their sand from the River. It may be possible something was brought in to mix but I don't see any way the TBAR money could be trucked in, dumped and then migrate 500 ft to its spot intact. Not only is that an extreme long shot but the money would not remain in its condition. The money landed there in the condition it was given to Cooper. For three packets to remain bundled and largely intact limits the mechanism by which it was moved. The best explanation is that somebody tossed it into the River.

The big problem I have and go back and forth on is when.. Did the money arrive in a spring soon after the hijacking or was it in the late 70's. Palmer thought within a few years of the find. If we knew that we could narrow down some of these theories.

My latest idea,, if the money arrived close to the hijacking is that the 1974 dredge operation went on top of it. That eroded to 1980 and exposed it. The dredge layer Palmer identified as 1974 being beneath the money was actually a pre-Norjak 1970 dredge layer.

 

Yes it's from 1975 but its not beyond the realm of possibility they were doing similar operations less transparently before this date.  Also, if I'm not mistaken someone was running a sand and gravel operation there before hand that they absorbed. As for the "500 feet" bit, I think it's well within the universe of possibilities that they (or their predecessors) acquired sand in their normal course of business and used it personally at TB rather than reselling it.

I can agree 100% it's low probability but virtualy all scenarios meeting all teh check boxes necessary for TB to make sense will be so, including the scenarios you and other well research sleuthers have laid out over the years.

 

With respect to dredging, I have heard it claimed the pipes auger sizes typically used in dreding are not condusive to the money remaining in the quality it is.  Is that misguided?

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  On 5/8/2025 at 7:30 PM, FLYJACK said:

Haven't seen that for a long time but it relies on stories from sketchy people, no evidence..

Cooper was regarded as a hero back then,, to brag many people claimed to know him or even be him... 

I don't give Briggs or the party story any credibility. 

Absolutely true but anything that Duane Ingram has to say is probably worth your time.

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  On 5/8/2025 at 7:33 PM, FunnyStuff said:

Yes it's from 1975 but its not beyond the realm of possibility they were doing similar operations less transparently before this date.  Also, if I'm not mistaken someone was running a sand and gravel operation there before hand that they absorbed. As for the "500 feet" bit, I think it's well within the universe of possibilities that they (or their predecessors) acquired sand in their normal course of business and used it personally at TB rather than reselling it.

I can agree 100% it's low probability but virtualy all scenarios meeting all teh check boxes necessary for TB to make sense will be so, including the scenarios you and other well research sleuthers have laid out over the years.

 

With respect to dredging, I have heard it claimed the pipes auger sizes typically used in dreding are not condusive to the money remaining in the quality it is.  Is that misguided?

No dredge,, too violent.

For a bundle of money packets to go into a dump truck, get dumped and migrate to the money spot is just not very plausible. First, the money spot was not close to the sand and gravel operation, that would be too violent as well, and the Fazio's got their sand from the river. Anything that was trucked in would be minor..

I don't see it as being something that a reasonable explanation. None of it is supported by evidence.. 

There are a few parameters that a good theory should fit otherwise you can make up almost anything.

Most likely, somebody was given or found some money and it became a liability so they tossed it in the River to discard it..  it was not planted for any reason, it was discarded.

I have one other really good theory that is a variation, the money was stashed next to the River in a structure, that structure was destroyed and the money went into the river upstream of TBAR.

Edited May 8 by FLYJACK

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  On 5/8/2025 at 8:16 PM, FLYJACK said:

No dredge,, too violent.

For a bundle of money packets to go into a dump truck, get dumped and migrate to the money spot is just not very plausible. First, the money spot was not close to the sand and gravel operation, that would be too violent as well, and the Fazio's got their sand from the river. Anything that was trucked in would be minor..

I don't see it as being something that a reasonable explanation. None of it is supported by evidence.. 

There are a few parameters that a good theory should fit otherwise you can make up almost anything.

Most likely, somebody was given or found some money and it became a liability so they tossed it in the River to discard it..  it was not planted for any reason, it was discarded.

I have one other really good theory that is a variation, the money was stashed next to the River in a structure, that structure was destroyed and the money went into the river upstream of TBAR.

The problem with that theory is it requires Tina to have had multiple face to face interviews ( the second of which I believe was initiated by herself) all the while holding onto $6,000 in ransom.  Furthermore it requires her to have told the FBI the story of Cooper offering the money to her but chaning the bit about returning the money.  If she had kept it wouldn't she just omit the entire story of him offering the money?

 

The structure theory is nice for the buyoancy and diatom timing issues but it creates a new issue since now one packet has to somehow make it's way out of and away from the structure by itself whith no other piece of the structure or money to be found which doesn't seem likely.

 

Probably will just always have to assume TB money origins as undeterminable unless somehow Cooper's identified and he left written details post hijacking or told someone.

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  On 5/8/2025 at 7:30 PM, FLYJACK said:

Haven't seen that for a long time but it relies on stories from sketchy people, no evidence..

Cooper was regarded as a hero back then,, to brag many people claimed to know him or even be him... 

I don't give Briggs or the party story any credibility. 

The 70s and 80s were a different time culturally. Sometimes the sketchy ones have no reason to lie. A drug runner like Briggs might have a few folks that needed to pay some hefty bills. What a fine solution for one person to get rid of the incriminating evidence, another person to reap the reward for finding Cooper Cash, and Briggs to get a few debtors paying him back? Interesting that Ingram seemed upset with Ralph H when he told him the reward had expired? Is this totally made up scenario not as likely as any of the other options of how the money arrived at Tena Bar? 

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Hi . I’m doing research for a book I’m writing on the D.B. Cooper heist. I can’t seem to find all of the archives like I used to on drop zone. Particularly everything snowman wrote. Is that material still available?

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  On 5/8/2025 at 8:46 PM, c99acer said:

The 70s and 80s were a different time culturally. Sometimes the sketchy ones have no reason to lie. A drug runner like Briggs might have a few folks that needed to pay some hefty bills. What a fine solution for one person to get rid of the incriminating evidence, another person to reap the reward for finding Cooper Cash, and Briggs to get a few debtors paying him back? Interesting that Ingram seemed upset with Ralph H when he told him the reward had expired? Is this totally made up scenario not as likely as any of the other options of how the money arrived at Tena Bar? 

People lied in the 70's and 80's.. Cooper was somebody the more criminal element aspired to be..  lots of made up stories about being him or knowing him. Guys would tell girls they were Cooper as a pick up line in the bar.

Point is there is no corroboration for any of it.. just like many confessions to being Cooper.. made up, people lie all the time..

You need some actual evidence..

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  On 5/8/2025 at 9:28 PM, Scottyboyfloyd said:

Hi . I’m doing research for a book I’m writing on the D.B. Cooper heist. I can’t seem to find all of the archives like I used to on drop zone. Particularly everything snowman wrote. Is that material still available?

Should be, search for "snowmman" two m's

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  On 5/8/2025 at 8:24 PM, FunnyStuff said:

The problem with that theory is it requires Tina to have had multiple face to face interviews ( the second of which I believe was initiated by herself) all the while holding onto $6,000 in ransom.  Furthermore it requires her to have told the FBI the story of Cooper offering the money to her but chaning the bit about returning the money.  If she had kept it wouldn't she just omit the entire story of him offering the money?

 

The structure theory is nice for the buyoancy and diatom timing issues but it creates a new issue since now one packet has to somehow make it's way out of and away from the structure by itself whith no other piece of the structure or money to be found which doesn't seem likely.

 

Probably will just always have to assume TB money origins as undeterminable unless somehow Cooper's identified and he left written details post hijacking or told someone.

She came forward with her story in case Cooper was caught and money found missing some packets.. if he said hey that stew asked for and took some money and that is missing,,, by telling the FBI she gave it back would front run that possibility. 

The FBI was watching Tina when she moved to San Diego,,

Clearly, it goes against her character.. however, she claimed she asked for the money to be humorous.. she isn't,, I can't think of any time during the hijacking she was humorous, that was also out of character. 

If she had possession of some money but was never asked about it and was scared that she would have been in trouble I can see her just never mentioning it.

She moved to the Portland area around 1978... that puts her close enough to TBAR to toss the money.. if she was never near there the theory wouldn't work..

She is the only one who handled some of Cooper's money outside the ransom stash and she lived just upstream of TBAR when the money could have entered the River,, it works well, just can't prove it.

Not sure what you mean about her changing her story... 

 

For the structure theory, It does make sense, I have a specific incident, specific structure, specific time that would have caused contents to enter the River just upstream of TBAR.. I haven't explained this theory before it is very comprehensive and takes a lot of time. It is really good,, still can't prove it though. This particular theory has a bonus, people can be identified who are associated with this structure. I have been investigating those people.

Doubtful Cooper knew how the money got to TBAR.

Edited May 8 by FLYJACK

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Kamkisky, you have some errors and some things right.

1)The mechanical theory can't be it. Way to viloent for the money to stay together. It doesn't matter if it is through a hose or a scoop, the money wouldn't stay together and land stacked neatly.

TRUE, the money arrived as it went to Cooper. No aggressive handling.

2)Natural means theory has serious holes since we have a hydrologist saying there is no natural means for money to be buried below sand.

FALSE, sort of, the hydrologist made that call based in limited information about TBAR. He even had a caveat, based on what he knows about TBAR. TBAR was a natural garbage dump and there was other debris buried in the same sand layer as the money. When the money was found there was a hydrologist on the team, they all concluded the money came from the RIVER. There was no mention of an intentional human burial. The money may have been in a container like a brown paper bag which floats but if it wasn't and sank it would still have some buoyancy on the bottom and get rolled along to the money spot, if the money was spot  was under water at the time it would effectively be the bottom of the River. 

If the 1974 dredge operation was on top of the money not under as Palmer believed the money would be buried for many years.. also locals claimed there was beach reclamation projects all the time, these are not found in the records. The records show channel dredging.. in 1970 and 1974.

There is also the idea that the money was upstream and covered/out of the water and eventually fell in and floated to TB. This has the same issues, the money doesn't float and wouldn't naturally bury itself on a beach couple dozen feet from the waterline.

False, it could bury itself if the water level was above the money spot... the River was seasonally high in the Spring above the money spot. In Spring '72 the money spot was about 5-6 feet underwater. Money does not need to float to reach that spot. However, it is assumed by all that the money was not is some container and must have sunk, it was probably in something.

3)Human intervention theory. Many variations. In this category resides the Tena for Tina theory. There are documented cases of criminals communicating/taunting victims afterwards and T4T can fit that pattern.

Between Cooper and TBAR there was most likely some human intervention. I doubt TBAR has anything to do with Tina's name. The money went into the River upstream and it was pure coincidence that it landed on TBAR.

4)To get rid of it. The DZ is discussing the idea that Tina Mucklow put the money there. Or someone else found the money and put it there or throw it in the river to get rid of it. I'll call this the get rid of it theory. The problem with this theory is it's bonkers. If you have cash and are afraid you'll end up in prison you burn it. No one is driving/boating to a river bank and burying it. There are dumpsters everywhere too if someone need to ditch it super quick.

FALSE, it is NOT bonkers, you might burn it but that is an assumption you claim everyone would do the same. You don't know what somebody would do. Tossing it in a dumpster may have fingerprints... To use your own assumption to reject a theory is bad reasoning.. you test a theory with facts. Somebody could have easily gone to the River and tossed a paper bag of money that they wanted to get rid of... Tina's brother in law, somebody paid for a ride or somebody found some cash in the woods. Nobody would expect money tossed into the Columbia to land on TBAR and be discovered.

Assumptions misused as facts to eliminate theories is my pet peeve in this case, it prematurely ends intellectual inquiry. Too many people do it.

Burying the money on a river beach to get rid of it makes no sense. No sense at all.

Agree. Somebody intentionally buries cash unprotected in sand at the high water line when there are thousands of better places close by to bury money is hard to imagine. 

 

IMO, a TBAR theory needs to fit...

The money most likely came from the River. Not human burial.

The money arrived in the same condition as given to Cooper. No aggressive handling.

The money went into the river in spring/early summer. Spring from '72 to '79. 

The money did not come from Cooper landing in the River. He jumped at 8:11 about 12 miles away.

The money was most likely moved at least partially by human intervention. Tina, somebody found some or was paid for a ride.. or any other ideas.

 

Figure out some reasonable theories that fit these and rank them..

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  On 5/9/2025 at 1:14 AM, FLYJACK said:

Burying the money on a river beach to get rid of it makes no sense. No sense at all.

Agree. Somebody intentionally buries cash unprotected in sand at the high water line when there are thousands of better places close by to bury money is hard to imagine. 

Wouldn't my totally made-up (except the part with H. D. Ingram saying, "dig by them two sticks") scenario cover this? Someone buried the money in a location to be found relatively soon after burial. Why.?.. for the expected ransom. The location lies near the supposed flight path so nobody goes looking for the burial artist. 

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  On 5/9/2025 at 12:16 PM, c99acer said:

Wouldn't my totally made-up (except the part with H. D. Ingram saying, "dig by them two sticks") scenario cover this? Someone buried the money in a location to be found relatively soon after burial. Why.?.. for the expected ransom. The location lies near the supposed flight path so nobody goes looking for the burial artist. 

Nope, the rubber bands crumbled when picked up. That proves the money was there for a long time and not recently placed there.. How do you get spring diatoms on the money. It doesn't fit the evidence.

And I have looked at many many ideas including Ingram placing it for Brian to find. The FP went almost right over Ingram's workplace.. Ultimately, no... the money was there for a few years to 9 years..  It would be helpful if somebody could figure out when the money landed there. 

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  On 5/9/2025 at 12:16 PM, c99acer said:

Wouldn't my totally made-up (except the part with H. D. Ingram saying, "dig by them two sticks") scenario cover this? Someone buried the money in a location to be found relatively soon after burial. Why.?.. for the expected ransom. The location lies near the supposed flight path so nobody goes looking for the burial artist. 

I would disagree he landed near enough TB to think it'd be a reasonable place for him to have walked to post landing. I think the absolute closest he could have been was like 15 miles and I can think of any reason he'd walk so far to bury it.

 

Also we know it has the spring/summer diatoms on it so burial that night seems like an impossibility 

Edited May 9 by FunnyStuff

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  On 5/9/2025 at 1:21 PM, FunnyStuff said:

I would disagree he landed near enough TB to think it'd be a reasonable place for him to have walked to post landing. I think the absolute closest he could have been was like 15 miles and I can think of any reason he'd walk so far to bury it.

 

Also we know it has the spring/summer diatoms on it so burial that night seems like an impossibility 

I totally agree Cooper did not bury money at Tena Bar. My scenario was that another person buried the money just weeks/days prior to the find by Ingram. The bury artist moved the money (with rubber band bits) from another location or environment where the biota transfer and deterioration occurred, to this location that Ingram could discover.

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  On 5/9/2025 at 3:50 PM, c99acer said:

I totally agree Cooper did not bury money at Tena Bar. My scenario was that another person buried the money just weeks/days prior to the find by Ingram. The bury artist moved the money (with rubber band bits) from another location or environment where the biota transfer and deterioration occurred, to this location that Ingram could discover.

This is contradicted by the evidence..

The rubber bands crumbled when the packets were picked up and the money was tested for soil/sand.. It was only Columbia River sand. Shards were also present in the sand. Plus, the money was exposed to the River in spring/early summer.

So, the money was buried for maybe 2-9 years. Not a short time. Palmer concluded the money was buried within a few years of the find.. 

The recent burial plant find idea just doesn't work.