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Maybe a movie producer or a lost rich guy from
Florida?
Hey! maybe it's Phil Day, making a movie!
http://www.philday.tv/
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I just dont want Jo jumping up here and saying:
"ah.. Duane had a kidney condition, yellow/olive
toned skin at times, but was not sickand perfectly
fit ... with yellow/olive toned skin.
Georger
Yellow skin?
malaria or hepatitis is the first thing that comes to mind for me, in 1971.
Reply> both, either or. Anything involving liver,
pancreas, kidney, some blood disorders, infectious anemia, pulmonary includes hystoplasmosis (blastocycosis but he wouldnt be walking) ...
but by the time your skin turns yellow the
patient isnt going far from home, major lethargy,
blackouts, vomiting ........... plain sick not fit for hijacking. Would not stand cold well. Shakes.
Cold sweats. Person might smell bad or peculiar.
Doesnt fit Cooper.
anyone have knowledge of that? I've not googled much.
QuoteHey are you going to be on the National Geographic show? Who all is going to be on it?..just the new posers? Not really fair, since you've taken a lot more crap than these johnny-come-lately's...
Hey if NG talks to anyone here, put in a word for Jo. I'd be williing to watch the show to see her. (so I don't have to travel to Florida to make Sluggo happy)
I was contacted, but since I refused to be on camera I am not even considered. They would have to come to me and me not go to them (I cannot do a 9 hr flight ) nor tolerate the heat and lights from the cameras. I also prefer NOT to be on camera, but offered them anything they might need. I assume they are doing whatever they want to do - and that Agent CARR convinced them Duane was not a vaible suspect just like the release Robbie Buroughs of the FBI released this wk in WA. using 1998 data that just didn't happen.
Data done by Agent RalpH Hope (all a hoax) that did not happen. - but I won't repeat it - we have heard it enough and I have said enough about it. If there is any justice in America - maybe the truth will some day be available..
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QuoteQuoteI think the olive complexion was a tan, which also argues against Canada.
377
Mr. Genetics is the Decider! Right?
Do Canadians never go anywhere with sun..?
Just another thought on this: there are a lot of mines in Canada. There are a lot of mines in Africa. People with the right experience travel for money. Africa has been full of expats working on mines, geology etc for decades. (Some of these were called "colonialists". ) Sure someone who is say a natural Irish-type redhead may never get a proper tan, but your average dark-haired person of Anglo-Saxon or French descent will.
Reply> Just think Tina knew differnce between tan and olive or "Latin" skin. Remember these are people who see and deal with a lot of people, accents, cultures, regional types, etc. Unless Ckret
says Im FOS. I think olive skin means "olive skin"
and goes to skin pigment, which means a genetic
trait(s).
BTW, have to say this. Im going to share your
comments about Hugarians vs Turks with a
certain Szeged friend I have who has been pitching me for many years and is in desparate need of vindication! Ive heard this _____ every day for years! Racz to you! Talk about sensitive! There is
no end of it. Standard American joke about it is:
"Why is the Grand Canyon so deep? Answer:
Hungarian revising history as she cooks!".
Thanks, Georger
snowmman 3
http://www.thefitmap.co.uk/beauty/cosmetics/skin/olive.htm
"People with olive skin may come from Mediterranean countries like Italy, the South of France, Turkey, or Spain; from Mid-European countries like Belgium, France, Latvia, Estonia or Germany; or Scandinavian countries like Norway, Finland, or Russia. People with olive skin can have blue, green or brown eyes, and will have anything from dark blond to black hair.
If you have olive skin, you'll find that your skin hides blemishes well, and that when you're out in the sun, you'll tan well and readily."
"People with olive skin may come from Mediterranean countries like Italy, the South of France, Turkey, or Spain; from Mid-European countries like Belgium, France, Latvia, Estonia or Germany; or Scandinavian countries like Norway, Finland, or Russia. People with olive skin can have blue, green or brown eyes, and will have anything from dark blond to black hair.
If you have olive skin, you'll find that your skin hides blemishes well, and that when you're out in the sun, you'll tan well and readily."
QuoteQuoteOrange1, your teacher will love seeing that something they tried to cram in your brain, actually came up in the future!
Oh, plenty has..it's one of the reasons we are still in touch. I was his star pupiland I love literature. I can still recite the "tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow" soliloquy from Macbeth, among others...!
But back to Cooper, all this discussion about skintone just reinforces my belief that it is subjective. Ideally I would still like to see a colour version of the sketch.
You asked and you shall recieve.
I don't want to post both (the with and without g.asses composites separate) as i have them on my computer.
I want to put both (FBI) pictures on the scanner so they will be side by side. The artist (unless one of the composites is faded) tried to show the range of color by going to one end of the spectrum with one and to other end without glasses. That was a smart idea, but I don't think many ever saw them side by side in Color.
Can't do it tonight -not feeling real well, but tomorrow I will get my hands on them and scan them for you guys. They probably are the best examples of the color arange available per the witness testimony and the artist conception of what he was being told.
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Quotehttp://www.thefitmap.co.uk/beauty/cosmetics/skin/olive.htm
"People with olive skin may come from Mediterranean countries like Italy, the South of France, Turkey, or Spain; from Mid-European countries like Belgium, France, Latvia, Estonia or Germany; or Scandinavian countries like Norway, Finland, or Russia. People with olive skin can have blue, green or brown eyes, and will have anything from dark blond to black hair.
If you have olive skin, you'll find that your skin hides blemishes well, and that when you're out in the sun, you'll tan well and readily."
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Attached: Albert Weinberg photos. Weinberg was
49 in 1971.
I will just attach the photos from young to old -
Has the FBI ever talked to Mssr. Weinberg ?
Georger
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Quotehttp://www.thefitmap.co.uk/beauty/cosmetics/skin/olive.htm
"People with olive skin may come from Mediterranean countries like Italy, the South of France, Turkey, or Spain; from Mid-European countries like Belgium, France, Latvia, Estonia or Germany; or Scandinavian countries like Norway, Finland, or Russia. People with olive skin can have blue, green or brown eyes, and will have anything from dark blond to black hair."
OK. Now hands up - how many of you would describe the average Norwegian or Finn as "olive"??!!!!
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Orange1 0
QuoteIt would have HUGE appeal to anyone liking
aviation or adventure in the 1060s. The name
Cooper is synonimous with adventure as a
literary fact.
Georger
I think anyone liking aviation in the 1060s would have been a major visionary.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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But how do you reconcile that with the transcript showing Cooper asked early on for the airstairs to be lowered, and 377's point that so few people knew about this that not even the pilots did - they had to go back to Boeing to see if it could be done? Even if the 727 was chance, his knowledge of it surely wasn't.
To my way of thinking that is completely consistent with ignorance. "Ok, wierd stairs in the back of the airplane. I better get them down before we take off so I know it can be done". If he was really knowledgeable about it he would have known you can't take off with the stairs down (if I remember right he requested that before takeoff right?)
Tom
Hi Tom.
Have you read the second set of transcripts that Ckret provided?
Ckret provided an interpretation of those transcripts, but they could be interpreted differently.
I'm just wondering about where you got your opinion on just what was said, and by whom, with respect to the stairs.
We already showed you can take off with the stairs down. (the Da Nang video...which also has a poor guy hanging on them!)
I don't think the stairs issue proves anything either way. Why do you think it proves anything? Nothing you've said is black and white...it's a lot of speculation.
Remember it was Cooper who wanted to take off with the door open and Boeing/NWA who said no. So maybe Cooper actually knew more ... although anyway it looks like the only reason they didn't want to was to avoid damage to the aircraft.
The transcript actually says Cooper wanted to take off with the aft door open and the stairs lowered after takeoff... not that he wanted to take off with the stairs down. It is after that, that the pilots are reassured they can fly with the aft stairs extended etc.
I don't know how to do a Snow and copy the bit of the PDF to attach here
, but this is pages 10-12 of the PDF file (numbered 98-100 on the original).
I've looked at the transcript again. It seems pretty clear to the way I read it, especially his insistence, that Cooper knew the stairs could be lowered and kept open in flight.
Oh btw 377, looking at the transcripts again I am reminded that when the pilots are told they can indeed fly like that, they are also told "Plane has been flown this way have large boxes 2-3hnd lbs thru the door in this config" also the guy says "I have a deal from Boeing on how to jump out of that thing if you have to get out, if somebody wants to get out" (don't understand why the word "deal" is used but it doesn't alter what is said!)
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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Quote(edit) HEY! I just cut and paste the Charing Cross description. I just realized there were no tubes in 1907 were there? Was this some kind of stagecoach station then? I think Orange1 got me!
Stagecoaches??!
No, you got yourself. The London Underground has been around a long time. Construction began in 1860 and the first lines were opened in 1863.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground#The_first_underground_railways
Although this beat the New York Subway by around half a century, even that was open by the time of The Secret Agent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Subway#History
Snow... tut tut.
Edited to tut tut at myself. I completely forgot that there is a "proper" railway station at Charing Cross as well, which has been there since the 1860s. The tube station opened there in 1906, still in time for Conrad.
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The transcript actually says Cooper wanted to take off with the aft door open and the stairs lowered after takeoff... not that he wanted to take off with the stairs down. It is after that, that the pilots are reassured they can fly with the aft stairs extended etc.
I didn't read the transcript before I posted, I went from memory so my bad. But I am bringing up the point that we should also look at the possibility that Cooper was flying by the seat of his pants and pulled a rabbit out of the hat. I am not hung on this theory, just putting it out for discussion so we cover all the bases.
Tom
snowmman 3
QuoteQuotehttp://www.thefitmap.co.uk/beauty/cosmetics/skin/olive.htm
"People with olive skin may come from Mediterranean countries like Italy, the South of France, Turkey, or Spain; from Mid-European countries like Belgium, France, Latvia, Estonia or Germany; or Scandinavian countries like Norway, Finland, or Russia. People with olive skin can have blue, green or brown eyes, and will have anything from dark blond to black hair.
If you have olive skin, you'll find that your skin hides blemishes well, and that when you're out in the sun, you'll tan well and readily."
Reply>
Attached: Albert Weinberg photos. Weinberg was
49 in 1971.
I will just attach the photos from young to old -
Has the FBI ever talked to Mssr. Weinberg ?
Georger
Georger: brilliant. Not about Weinberg as Cooper, but as posting Weinberg pics at various ages. He was from the right European areas right? Is the skin in those pics what people would consider "olive" ?? is it a good match for how we might expect pics of Cooper to look?
I wasnt there. That summer I was a front desk clerk
at the Grande Hotel on Mackinack Island. My uncles
building the airstrip there. (sheltered life).
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