DB Cooper

[olemisscub 525]

Coffelt:Rackstraw

Vault: Cooper TV documentaries

[whiskers 1]

Hey all, 2 questions I’d appreciate help with please.

1) Making a list of folks who handled the WSHM chute. Who am I missing? 
- Gene Bland

- Daniel Girolamo

- Norman Hayden 

- Bill Jeswine

- Bruce Smith

- Bruce Thun

- Museum staff

- Cooper 

2) Does anyone think the packing cards were dusted for prints? I am doubtful but wondering if anyone has evidence to the contrary. 
 

Thanks 

[FLYJACK 754]

12 hours ago, whiskers said:

Hey all, 2 questions I’d appreciate help with please.

1) Making a list of folks who handled the WSHM chute. Who am I missing? 
- Gene Bland

- Daniel Girolamo

- Norman Hayden 

- Bill Jeswine

- Bruce Smith

- Bruce Thun

- Museum staff

- Cooper 

2) Does anyone think the packing cards were dusted for prints? I am doubtful but wondering if anyone has evidence to the contrary. 
 

Thanks 

Cossey.

[whiskers 1]

16 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Cossey.

Thank you. 

[Robert99 54]

19 hours ago, whiskers said:

Hey all, 2 questions I’d appreciate help with please.

1) Making a list of folks who handled the WSHM chute. Who am I missing? 
- Gene Bland

- Daniel Girolamo

- Norman Hayden 

- Bill Jeswine

- Bruce Smith

- Bruce Thun

- Museum staff

- Cooper 

2) Does anyone think the packing cards were dusted for prints? I am doubtful but wondering if anyone has evidence to the contrary. 
 

Thanks 

1.  Definitely Cossey as FlyJack points out.

2.  It is highly unlikely that any packing card was dusted for prints.  The two parachutes recovered from the airliner in Reno stayed there or at the Las Vegas FBI office for some lengthy period of time after the hijacking.  They were examined in Reno by National Guard personnel and others.  After that, the packing cards were probably so contaminated that looking for fingerprints was a waste of time.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Robert99

[whiskers 1]

44 minutes ago, Robert99 said:

1.  Definitely Cossey as FlyJack points out.

2.  It is highly unlikely that any packing card was dusted for prints.  The two parachutes recovered from the airliner in Reno stayed in there or at the Las Vegas FBI office for some lengthy period of time after the hijacking.  They were examined in Reno by National Guard personnel and others.  After that, the packing cards were probably so contaminated that looking for fingerprints was a waste of time.

Thank you re: Cossey. 

And yes re: prints on cards, it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t even think to check for prints there. I’m more wanting to confirm that the powder didn’t come in contact with the chute / data card pocket. 

[FLYJACK 754]

I see no evidence of print powder on the card..

[georger 256]

3 hours ago, whiskers said:

Thank you re: Cossey. 

And yes re: prints on cards, it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t even think to check for prints there. I’m more wanting to confirm that the powder didn’t come in contact with the chute / data card pocket. 

why?

[whiskers 1]

12 minutes ago, georger said:

why?

Possible DNA collection from the card pocket. A forensics lab I’m in touch with asked me to confirm this. The powder that’s used for print dusting eliminates any chance for DNA analysis by MVAC.

I have no delusions that there is a very slim-to-none chance to get a viable Cooper DNA sample from the WSHM chute. But I am willing to try and see how far I can go with this. If the museum grants access (another Hail Mary), we will also measure the canopy. I’m in contact with Shutter regarding that. 

Edited September 2, 2023 by whiskers

[georger 256]

15 minutes ago, whiskers said:

Possible DNA collection from the card pocket. A forensics lab I’m in touch with asked me to confirm this. The powder that’s used for print dusting eliminates any chance for DNA analysis by MVAC.

I have no delusions that there is a very slim-to-none chance to get a viable Cooper DNA sample from the WSHM chute. But I am willing to try and see how far I can go with this. If the museum grants access (another Hail Mary), we will also measure the canopy. I’m in contact with Shutter regarding that. 

what finger print powder that was used in in this case are you talking about?  chemical composition ?

[FLYJACK 754]

This is interesting...

This guy had an intruder outside his rural home, about 5 miles south of Woodland..

I tracked his past (family home) address to Paradise Point, Clark, Washington about 5 miles south of Woodland - this is about 3 miles East of the flightpath at the 8:12 mark on the map..

If the wind was SE in that area Cooper would have landed very close to this spot.

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 754]

13 minutes ago, georger said:

what finger print powder that was used in in this case are you talking about?  chemical composition ?

Not specific, just inquiring if any was used on the cards.

[georger 256]

3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

This is interesting...

This guy had an intruder outside his rural home, about 5 miles south of Woodland..

I tracked his past (family home) address to Paradise Point, Clark, Washington about 5 miles south of Woodland - this is about 3 miles East of the flightpath at the 8:12 mark on the map..

If the wind was SE in that area Cooper would have landed very close to this spot.

 

interesting ....

[georger 256]

6 hours ago, whiskers said:

Possible DNA collection from the card pocket. A forensics lab I’m in touch with asked me to confirm this. The powder that’s used for print dusting eliminates any chance for DNA analysis by MVAC.

I have no delusions that there is a very slim-to-none chance to get a viable Cooper DNA sample from the WSHM chute. But I am willing to try and see how far I can go with this. If the museum grants access (another Hail Mary), we will also measure the canopy. I’m in contact with Shutter regarding that. 

I think you are being overly dramatic about this. Any lab must determine firsthand what they are dealing with before anything can proceed.  An inspection must occur before any judgements can be made. Lay people are usually not qualified or equipped to make this analysis/judgement!  Rumors do not qualify as evidence in Lab matters!

Permissions must also be obtained!  You have no legal standing in this parachute issue!!  Presumably, Mr Hayden would have to give permission and make arrangements personally before his chute can be tested by .............  whomever. 

The issue of some finger print powder automatically destroying dna,  a-priori....., is a puzzlement to me since you give no particulars. 

Be careful not to transport that chute in a 1933 Ford as those Fords may kill or eliminate all dna testing of everything and everyone associated with that FORD!  Transport only in a city bus or a garbage truck. .      

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by georger

[georger 256]

September 1, 2023

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the CIA connection

After a wait of over three years, I received a response from the Central Intelligence Agency to my FOIA request dated 18 July 2020. In that request, I had asked for the following:

[FLYJACK 754]

8 hours ago, georger said:

I think you are being overly dramatic about this. Any lab must determine firsthand what they are dealing with before anything can proceed.  An inspection must occur before any judgements can be made. Lay people are usually not qualified or equipped to make this analysis/judgement!  Rumors do not qualify as evidence in Lab matters!

Permissions must also be obtained!  You have no legal standing in this parachute issue!!  Presumably, Mr Hayden would have to give permission and make arrangements personally before his chute can be tested by .............  whomever. 

The issue of some finger print powder automatically destroying dna,  a-priori....., is a puzzlement to me since you give no particulars. 

Be careful not to transport that chute in a 1933 Ford as those Fords may kill or eliminate all dna testing of everything and everyone associated with that FORD!  Transport only in a city bus or a garbage truck. .      

 

G the target of the testing is the inside (edge) of the pocket... not the outside of the chute. The chute is the property of the museum.. A lab indicated that fingerprint powder could destroy DNA. The question was whether the card was finger printed and therefore could have contaminated the inside of the pocket. That is all.

 

[Robert99 54]

10 hours ago, georger said:

September 1, 2023

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the CIA connection

After a wait of over three years, I received a response from the Central Intelligence Agency to my FOIA request dated 18 July 2020. In that request, I had asked for the following:

Georger, you are actually referring to a post by Dr. Robert Edwards on his blog.  This is not an FOIA request that you did.

[Robert99 54]

17 hours ago, whiskers said:

Possible DNA collection from the card pocket. A forensics lab I’m in touch with asked me to confirm this. The powder that’s used for print dusting eliminates any chance for DNA analysis by MVAC.

I have no delusions that there is a very slim-to-none chance to get a viable Cooper DNA sample from the WSHM chute. But I am willing to try and see how far I can go with this. If the museum grants access (another Hail Mary), we will also measure the canopy. I’m in contact with Shutter regarding that. 

Whiskers, thanks for the information on the WSHM chute.  I have also been in touch with Shutter on this for several years.  If access to the chute is finally granted, please let me and others know before the examination. 

There needs to be high quality photographs taken of this chute and certain specific areas of the chute in order to assist in determining what type of chute this is or is not.  What appears on the packing card is not always accurate.

And as I have indicated previously to Shutter, I am willing to help with $ for the examination and any lab testing.

Good luck.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Robert99

[georger 256]

2 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Georger, you are actually referring to a post by Dr. Robert Edwards on his blog.  This is not an FOIA request that you did.

I never knew your grandmother! STOP pestering me about your grandmother!

LEARN HOW TO READ!

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by georger

[georger 256]

4 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

G the target of the testing is the inside (edge) of the pocket... not the outside of the chute. The chute is the property of the museum.. A lab indicated that fingerprint powder could destroy DNA. The question was whether the card was finger printed and therefore could have contaminated the inside of the pocket. That is all.

 

Understand I do.  ................................ never mind. Do as you like, or, like as you do. 

[CooperNWO305 158]

22 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

This is interesting...

This guy had an intruder outside his rural home, about 5 miles south of Woodland..

I tracked his past (family home) address to Paradise Point, Clark, Washington about 5 miles south of Woodland - this is about 3 miles East of the flightpath at the 8:12 mark on the map..

If the wind was SE in that area Cooper would have landed very close to this spot.

 

Nice find. Is that 3 miles West of flight path? How far from Heisson store? What are you thinking for timeline? Lands near the store then is heard at the house or the other way around? 

[FLYJACK 754]

35 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Nice find. Is that 3 miles West of flight path? How far from Heisson store? What are you thinking for timeline? Lands near the store then is heard at the house or the other way around? 

Yes, West.. it is 10 miles from Heisson store.

Heisson was 11:30 and the house intruder was around midnight.. those times are likely estimates.. a 10 mile walk is 2.5 hours. Either he hitched a ride or those times are actually further apart..  or maybe they are unrelated.

[Chaucer 110]

Heisson wasn't Cooper. 

[FLYJACK 754]

34 minutes ago, Chaucer said:

Heisson wasn't Cooper. 

Why, was it solved..

[olemisscub 525]

Courtesy of Chris Broer. Gate L42 in Dec 71. Coop was L54