DB Cooper

[labrys 0]

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Dear Night Clerk,

I hope you are lurking.
The FBI won't release your statement.
Jo won't release your statement, because Jo is part of the coverup.
I am your only hope.
Create an account here and PM me.
I will publish your statement and the truth will be revealed.

Yours in the Order,
snowmman

p.s.
Would you like to pet my iguana?

So... you're accepting that when there are more variables than known quantities all you can do is work for a simple equation that describes relationships.

You guys have worked hard to define boundries but that's all you have.

Owned by Remi #?

[snowmman 3]

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Dear Night Clerk,

I hope you are lurking.
The FBI won't release your statement.
Jo won't release your statement, because Jo is part of the coverup.
I am your only hope.
Create an account here and PM me.
I will publish your statement and the truth will be revealed.

Yours in the Order,
snowmman

p.s.
Would you like to pet my iguana?

So... you're accepting that when there are more variables than known quantities all you can do is work for a simple equation that describes relationships.

You guys have worked hard to define boundries but that's all you have.

Hi labrys!
So we should ...?

[georger 264]

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Come on Jo, give Sluggo permission to post the scans he mentioned.

377

First some corrections need to be made in the post that was done regarding several things that are inaccurate.

Also he will need to go over with me what scans he wants to use - he has many and more I was supposed to send but I got them all mixed up with some other things.

As far as Knuetson - or however that name is spelled...as Snowmman pointed out I don't know exactly what it was, but it was something like that - it could have been Newton or Newston - almost any variation of that sound.
The only way to really know is to go to Dollars Corner and search the property records for 1944- 1971....also anyone owning or running a business in the area - I assume they had to have a license.
As I said before if someone lives in that area and wants to do the research I will pay for you to do it.

Doesn't anyone know the name of the Boeing man who was investigated in Portland as having been a suspect? Not the one Swomman mentioned (the genius).
This man lived in West Portland which would be where Duane mentioned "I used to know a man who lived over there" . At that time we were in the area of Wintler Park, but Not in the park. He was pointing West.

At the spot we went to on the Vancouver side the bank of the river was relative steep in 1979 with trees that were not more than 10 to 20 yrs old, plus lots of scrub trees (very young ones).

If you go west to Wintler Park the banks were not steep at all. There was a low incline through out the park, but just East of there the elevation of the bank climbs. When I went back in 2001 new home had been built along the river banks I believed Duane and I were in 1979.

I was told there was another area that you had to go back up on Evergreen and then go back to the River just East of that point that I did not ask the driver to take me to - perhaps I should have. I was told the two site had everything I described to the "Angel Udell" and the "River Lady". Would have been interesting to see if I was able to see the airport tower from the other location - then I would know which one it was. The place Duane took me too - trees and a slight bend obsured the tower, but he told me that it was there. I never knew where the tower was on the maps - I have been shown.[/reply

Reply]: Did it ever dawn on you to ask your husband: "Why are we here"?

Why would a husband drag his (new) wife out to a
place like this without explaining why!

How were the mosquitos?

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[snowmman 3]

Was thinking about King Lear
synopsis from a web site:

The Storm

As Lear wanders about a desolate heath in Act III, a terrible storm, strongly but ambiguously symbolic, rages overhead. In part, the storm echoes Lear’s inner turmoil and mounting madness: it is a physical, turbulent natural reflection of Lear’s internal confusion. At the same time, the storm embodies the awesome power of nature, which forces the powerless king to recognize his own mortality and human frailty and to cultivate a sense of humility for the first time. The storm may also symbolize some kind of divine justice, as if nature itself is angry about the events in the play. Finally, the meteorological chaos also symbolizes the political disarray that has engulfed Lear’s Britain.

[Orange1 0]

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And Jo, come on, give Sluggo permission to put the scans up on this forum. If you are seeking truth and justice then show your cards. If the mighty Sluggo Monster is sticking his neck way way out defending you, give him some support.

Yes he has, but he has also stated he doesn't think Jo's story is what she thinks it is. I guess this leaves Jo somewhat conflicted as to what she should "allow" Sluggo to do. (To please Snow, let's note that Hamlet was also conflicted.)

btw 377, I do think you are right in focussing on Cooper's knowledge of the airstairs. Whether this is a Boeing connection or arises from a military application remains an open question though. (Forgive me, but I cannot remember if we drew a conclusion about 727s being used in the military.)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

no, labrys is conflicted.

JOKE!

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Jimi Hendrix did it. Perhaps with Duane's help. Paratrooper, Seattle based, sung about Jo's watchtower, jokers, thieves and howling wind. Dark complexion too.

Scuse me, while I kiss the sky.
377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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Jimi Hendrix did it. Perhaps with Duane's help. Paratrooper, Seattle based, sung about Jo's watchtower, jokers, thieves and howling wind. Dark complexion too.

Scuse me, while I kiss the sky.
377

Jim.
Last song recorded before he died
"Riders on the Storm"
It was on their 1971 album.
I love the old music vids on youtube!
Amazing what's there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTKGvvafFeM

Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Into this house we're born
Into this world we're thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out on loan
Riders on the storm

Theres a killer on the road
His brain is squirmin like a toad
Take a long holiday
Let your children play
If ya give this man a ride
Sweet memory will die
Killer on the road, yeah

Girl ya gotta love your man
Girl ya gotta love your man
Take him by the hand
Make him understand
The world on you depends
Our life will never end
Gotta love your man, yeah

Wow!

Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Into this house were born
Into this world were thrown
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out alone
Riders on the storm

Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riders_on_the_Storm

[Orange1 0]

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Jimi Hendrix did it. Perhaps with Duane's help. Paratrooper, Seattle based, sung about Jo's watchtower, jokers, thieves and howling wind. Dark complexion too.

Scuse me, while I kiss the sky.
377

Of COURSE! and
"Hey Jo, where you going with that gun in your hand..."
You're right, 377. All the signs are there, if you just look for them.
Now if we can just find out who Mary was, the last pieces of the puzzle will fall into place. Ckret, it is the FBI's job to investigate this! Who was Mary and what was her connection? "The wind cries Mary" is a clear analogy to a jump. It cannot be interpreted any other way.

The cherry on top of course was Hendrix faking his death about a year before the hijacking - what better way to eliminate yourself from a suspect list?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

er, Snow? wrong Jim...

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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er, Snow? wrong Jim...

There is one Jim.
There is one Jimi.
no one's wrong.

[georger 264]

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Dear Night Clerk,

I hope you are lurking.
The FBI won't release your statement.
Jo won't release your statement, because Jo is part of the coverup.
I am your only hope.
Create an account here and PM me.
I will publish your statement and the truth will be revealed.

Yours in the Order,
snowmman

p.s.
Would you like to pet my iguana?

So... you're accepting that when there are more variables than known quantities all you can do is work for a simple equation that describes relationships.

You guys have worked hard to define boundries but that's all you have.

Reply} we know he was missing one eye and had a peg leg. what have you got?

[snowmman 3]

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we know he was missing one eye and had a peg leg. what have you got?

Georger, you made me laugh hard!

Jo, give me something on why the night clerk is in the US. If he won't find me, I'll find him! I know he speaks english. I start with that! Give me just three words he strings together...anything! Does he like chicken?

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Night Clerk at the Hotel of Both Worlds - Angela Ball - Paperback - english - 9780822959755
Publisher: UNIV OF PITTSBURGH PRESS

part of the Pitt Poetry Series.

Other titles in the series?


Leaping Poetry
Flying At Night
After the Fall

and two curious titles by Billy COLLINS
Picnic, Lightning.... (referring to the Tina Bar money find no doubt) and
Art of Drowning...(referring to staging evidence to create a picture implying Coopers demise)

So we have NIGHT CLERK, COLLINS and all these obvious clues in the Pitt Series, yet The FBI refuses to investigate further.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[happythoughts 0]

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we know he was missing one eye and had a peg leg. what have you got?

From his MySpace profile:

Goes by the nickname of "Lucky".

Hobbies include sailing, singing.
Favorite drink -rum.
Very social - likes to meet new people.

Currently working in the Gulf of Aden
as a "maritime security consultant".

[snowmman 3]

funny posts!

Those bills that were up for auction evidently finished. Not sure of the prices. So Ingram has auctioned 24 bills so far, see here:
http://historical.ha.com/common/auction/pricesrealized.php?txtSearch=D.B.+Cooper+ransom+money&hdnSearch=true&chkSupplies=1&stage=1

There was also that bill sold on ebay by the OK school teacher that got a bill from Brian very early on.

There's another bill for bid/sale on ebay right now. Buy It Now for $2800..oh just marked down to $2240!
The market is collapsing! We need a bailout!

http://cgi.ebay.com/DB-COOPER-1971-HISTORIC-RANSOM-MONEY-$20-FRN-1963A-_W0QQitemZ200276821882QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081117?IMSfp=TL081117116008r18906

So that all sounds to us, like there's a lot of interest in Cooper and it's "important" to people.

Well it's nothing.

The prop, non-functional, light saber from the first Star Wars just went for $240,000. C-3PO's helmet: $120,000
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28194164/

Choke on that Jo!

[Orange1 0]

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Currently working in the Gulf of Aden
as a "maritime security consultant".

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

I'm always scouring the web looking for pics of old money or buried money.

Here are two
I think they show how the thin edges tend to dry/get brittle/decompose at a faster rate than the faces..i.e. the faces can stay looking good, while the edges deteriorate.
Also, I think the corners have the fastest rate of decline?

(edit) oh in money9 compare the condition of the thin rubber bands to the money. Does it mean we really don't understand the rate of decay of rubber bands? or could those rubber bands be newer? Unclear.

Oh if you're not familiar with the Felhaber story, it's an interesting one.
google search:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=felhaber+money

[snowmman 3]

I got to thinking how most out there haven't seen the seamier side of some D.B. "literature"

I attached a snip from page 63 of the new book "D.B." (fiction) by Elwood Reid (just released this year)

(it's those faded tube tops!)

Interview with the author
http://www.failbetter.com/15/ReidInterview.php

(edit) You can get random pages from new books at amazon.com if they're not in google books. This one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0385497385/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

[snowmman 3]

I've been musing about how various lit themes get introduced by different folks at different times. I always muse about how the conscious or unconscious mind pushes them out to a post.

Ckret introduced Huck Finn. I introduced Moby Dick.

In this encyclopedia:
http://www.questiaschool.com/read/108780072?title=U

"A paradox of nineteenth-century American society is that it was at once deeply homophobic and homoerotic, a function perhaps of the segregation of the sexes into separate spheres. As Leslie Fiedler scandalously pointed out in his classic study "Love and Death in the American Novel", first published in 1960, homoerotic friendships between men of different races occupied a central place in nineteenth-century American literature. Canonical examples include Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook in James Fenimore Cooper's Leatherstocking Tales, Ishmael and Queequeg in Herman Melville's Moby-Dick, and Jim and Huck in Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn. "

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funny posts!

Those bills that were up for auction evidently finished. Not sure of the prices. So Ingram has auctioned 24 bills so far, see here:
http://historical.ha.com/common/auction/pricesrealized.php?txtSearch=D.B.+Cooper+ransom+money&hdnSearch=true&chkSupplies=1&stage=1

There was also that bill sold on ebay by the OK school teacher that got a bill from Brian very early on.

There's another bill for bid/sale on ebay right now. Buy It Now for $2800..oh just marked down to $2240!
The market is collapsing! We need a bailout!

http://cgi.ebay.com/DB-COOPER-1971-HISTORIC-RANSOM-MONEY-$20-FRN-1963A-_W0QQitemZ200276821882QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20081117?IMSfp=TL081117116008r18906

So that all sounds to us, like there's a lot of interest in Cooper and it's "important" to people.

Well it's nothing.

The prop, non-functional, light saber from the first Star Wars just went for $240,000. C-3PO's helmet: $120,000
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28194164/

Choke on that Jo!

Remember that swindle where some con artists convinced a Newsweek editor that he could interview Cooper? The bait was a couple of counterfeit twenties with real Cooper serial numbers. Those are the bills I want, not those worm eaten raggedy river bottom eBay notes.

"Kill the front page!" Newsweek almost went to press in late 1971 with a cover story on D.B. Cooper which contained what they believed to be an authentic interview with the skyjacker himself. An editor for the magazine had paid a pair of con artists, one of them posing as Cooper, $30,000 for what the editor thought was an exclusive interview. Not to question the intelligence of the editor, but why would Cooper, who had nearly $650,000 (adjusted for inflation) in ransom money risk coming forward to collect his share of $30,000? A federal jury quickly found the two guilty of several counts of fraud. The editor was not formally charged with stupidity.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo,

Dont edit, delay or try to control the flow of information. Give Sluggo permission to post the scans and just trust his judgment and discretion. The fact that he seeks your permission speaks volumes about his ethics.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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377 said:
Remember that swindle where some con artists convinced a Newsweek editor that he could interview Cooper? The bait was a couple of counterfeit twenties with real Cooper serial numbers. Those are the bills I want, not those worm eaten raggedy river bottom eBay notes.

I was mulling over the theory I had that the found money could have been counterfeit.

The auction presented the nice data of very high resolution photos of the ingram money.

I've zoomed into a lot of them, and I think I can see the telltale threads in the paper. And the printing seems to have the sharp features that distinguish real vs counterfeit. I've also checked for alignment of the serial numbers.

I always assumed the FBI verified this, cause it's obvious.

But you could imagine, that would have been an interesting plan in 1980. Counterfeit Cooper Bills, with the right serial numbers. Decompose them to make them hard to distinguish real/counterfeit. And collect your reward!

Of course, today it would be "Sell on Ebay!"

(edit) p.s. 377 I think on that Newsweek swindle, the theory was the counterfeits were cheaply done with a cut and paste job and rubber cement. I think the only thing the journalist ever saw was a Xerox copy? Never a real bill?

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(edit) p.s. 377 I think on that Newsweek swindle, the theory was the counterfeits were cheaply done with a cut and paste job and rubber cement. I think the only thing the journalist ever saw was a Xerox copy? Never a real bill?

Darn, just a Xerox? Lazy crooks.

Guess I will have to get really good on Photoshop and make my own Cooper bills.

I am kinda surprised someone hasnt done that and posted it somewhere on the Internet as a tease. A posting of a crisp Cooper twenty... think of it as art. I think there are art exceptions to the counterfeiting laws. Remember that guy who hand drew currency and got it accepted by merchants who were fully aware it wasn't real? He escaped prosecution.

Ckret has gone silent on us. Unless there have been a rash of bank robberies in his district, I suspect he is running in more fashionable circles at the moment. This here is the GHETTO!

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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Guess I will have to get really good on Photoshop and make my own Cooper bills.

it is REALLY hard to fake a photoshop thing. People think it's easy, but it's usually detectable. Remember all the fake Sarah Palin images with her in the bathing suit and rifle, etc. They were found out.

I was doing some work for a tshirt design, and I had a logo I wanted color reversed, and I was looking at how people merge images. There's all these halo fringe effects etc, due to pixelization. Luckily I figured out how to invert the image without doing anything complicated.

And that guy that tried to fake the Bush National Guard Letter with Word, right? detected, and Dan Rather flushed.

Basically, technology lets you fool stupid people. But any concerted effort can still detect counterfeit photoshops today. (I think). In fact since there's so much extra info (lighting effects, shadows etc), digital images work against you. (remember the analysis stuff georger was doing decomposing the tics on the flight path map!!)

Jo knows that to tell a good story and not get found out, you have to keep all details fuzzy. When a detail is sharp, it's easy to tell if it's true or false.

(edit) Another example of "hard" was when I did that fake Seattle FBI business card for Sluggo that I posted. Note that it was "fuzzy" on purpose.

(edit) Since "stupid" sells, I'm going to put the following up for sale on ebay:
"The PC Laptop DB Cooper Used to Write His Ransom Note: $1250"