FLYJACK 760 #58651 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 1:55 PM, ParrotheadVol said: I remember that...Bulljax right? Yup, she made it all up.. Prior, she was constantly messaging me trying to push Duane..... but I rejected her narrative. She was very manipulative. My dad died suddenly and I left the Vortex for a few years, when I came back the forum was locked.. She was very good at manipulating people... IMO, Duane was the victim in that relationship.. and there is no way he was Cooper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58652 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:22 PM, FLYJACK said: Yup, she made it all up Correct. As I've said numerous times, she basically Forrest Gump'd him into the Cooper narrative. For every event that occurred in the Cooper saga she was able to artificially insert him into it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58653 November 3, 2022 NORJAK wasn't the first time Alyce was robbed on the job! Just found this today... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58654 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:38 PM, olemisscub said: NORJAK wasn't the first time Alyce was robbed on the job! Just found this today... Different Alyce Gorley... An "Alyce Mae Gorley" lived in Texas... https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92011096/alyce-mae-gorley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParrotheadVol 70 #58655 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:22 PM, FLYJACK said: IMO, Duane was the victim in that relationship.. and there is no way he was Cooper. Not with those big ass ears! Jo was her own worst enemy. She wanted people to buy in to Duane, but the layers and layers of bullshit that she kept piling onto the story made it impossible to determine what - if anything - was true. I've often wondered if there was ever a confession to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58656 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:46 PM, FLYJACK said: Different Alyce Gorley... An "Alyce Mae Gorley" lived in Texas... https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92011096/alyce-mae-gorley 49 year old women weren't called "Miss" in 1968. The 21 year old future Mrs. Hancock would have been. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58657 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:50 PM, ParrotheadVol said: Not with those big ass ears! Jo was her own worst enemy. She wanted people to buy in to Duane, but the layers and layers of bullshit that she kept piling onto the story made it impossible to determine what - if anything - was true. I've often wondered if there was ever a confession to begin with. She probably made up the confession,, Jo said it all came to her when she read Gunther's book and the name "Dan Cooper" was used not DB and Duane had said "Dan Cooper" (she claims).. the use of Dan instead of DB started it, but "Dan Cooper" was used in the media soon after the hijacking though "DB" was more common. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58658 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:56 PM, FLYJACK said: She probably made up the confession,, Jo said it all came to her when she read Gunther's book and the name "Dan Cooper" was used not DB and Duane had said "Dan Cooper" (she claims).. the use of Dan instead of DB started it, but "Dan Cooper" was used in the media soon after the hijacking though "DB" was more common. Correct. Using "Dan Cooper" was a clever way on her part of attempting to add some validity to the confession. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58659 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 2:50 PM, olemisscub said: 49 year old women weren't called "Miss" in 1968. The 21 year old future Mrs. Hancock would have been. Weak argument.. where did Alice live in 1968, where was she born? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58660 November 3, 2022 (edited) On 11/3/2022 at 3:21 PM, FLYJACK said: Weak argument.. where did Alice live in 1968, where was she born? Edited November 3, 2022 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58661 November 3, 2022 (edited) On 11/3/2022 at 3:24 PM, olemisscub said: Why do you assume I'm a terrible researcher or something? You think I don't fact check things? That is a better argument.. But, I don't really trust anyone else's claims at face value especially in an area I haven't researched myself like Alice's past.. it may be interesting but immaterial to solving the Cooper case. Claims are irrelevant, I always look beyond at the argument. We spent years debating Ulis's 10 year research/narrative on Peterson... and the Western Flight Path theory.... a waste of time. Edited November 3, 2022 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58662 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 3:41 PM, FLYJACK said: That is a better argument.. But, I don't really trust anyone else's claims at face value especially in an area I haven't researched myself like Alice's past.. it may be interesting but immaterial to solving the Cooper case. Claims are irrelevant, I always look beyond at the argument. We spent years debating Ulis's 10 year research/narrative on Peterson... and the Western Flight Path theory.... a waste of time. If this is your round about way of admitting that you were actually wrong on something, trivial as it is, I guess I'll take it. For what it's worth, the older Alyce that you posted is NORJAK Alyce's mother. They shared the same name. When NORJAK Alyce graduated high school in Quanah she seems to have moved to the "big city", which would have been Amarillo. She was apparently an All-State baton twirler of some note (I believe that was a bigger thing in those days) and so she began teaching twirling at a dance studio in 1966. Fun trivia is that she had been to Seattle in her youth in 1962 for the World's Fair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooperNWO305 158 #58663 November 3, 2022 https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper%20/d.b-cooper-part-76/view Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58664 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 3:58 PM, olemisscub said: If this is your round about way of admitting that you were actually wrong on something, trivial as it is, I guess I'll take it. For what it's worth, the older Alyce that you posted is NORJAK Alyce's mother. They shared the same name. When NORJAK Alyce graduated high school in Quanah she seems to have moved to the "big city", which would have been Amarillo. She was apparently an All-State baton twirler of some note (I believe that was a bigger thing in those days) and so she began teaching twirling at a dance studio in 1966. Fun trivia is that she had been to Seattle in her youth in 1962 for the World's Fair. Making a claim from a name in a newspaper isn't a complete argument.. especially when two people share a rare name. You amended it with appropriate evidence. You have also made a big error due to lack of information which I have intentionally not corrected.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58665 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 4:07 PM, CooperNWO305 said: https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b-cooper-part-76/view I just checked and it wasn't there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58666 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 4:21 PM, FLYJACK said: Making a claim from a name in a newspaper isn't a complete argument.. especially when two people share a rare name. You amended it with appropriate evidence. You have also made a big error due to lack of information which I have intentionally not corrected.. Do I need an affidavit from her stating that she worked at that place? She was living in Amarillo in the late 60's. There's mountains of evidence to that effect. Should I post the half dozen advertisements from her dance studio in Amarillo to prove that point? I knew all of this before I posted that it was her who was robbed in 1968. I'm the only who uncovered that her name was Alyce Gorley, not Alice Garley. Remember? Also, by all means, tell me this big error that you've not corrected. I'm not a prideful old turd and will admit when I've made a mistake. So please, let me know so I can correct it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58667 November 3, 2022 (edited) On 11/3/2022 at 4:22 PM, FLYJACK said: I just checked and it wasn't there... you're not missing anything. More recycled crap. They did miss a redaction (I think) on page 131. Someone with last name "Curtis". Edited November 3, 2022 by olemisscub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coopericane 44 #58668 November 3, 2022 (edited) So 5,166 missing person reports from 1971-1972 were checked... interesting, I had not heard of an exact number. Though it seems to have come up before Edited November 3, 2022 by Coopericane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58669 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 4:25 PM, olemisscub said: Do I need an affidavit from her stating that she worked at that place? She was living in Amarillo in the late 60's. There's mountains of evidence to that effect. Should I post the half dozen advertisements from her dance studio in Amarillo to prove that point? I knew all of this before I posted that it was her who was robbed in 1968. I'm the only who uncovered that her name was Alyce Gorley, not Alice Garley. Remember? Also, by all means, tell me this big error that you've not corrected. I'm not a prideful old turd and will admit when I've made a mistake. So please, let me know so I can correct it. Hyperbolic now.. Your initial claim was only a news article with a (shared) name. I didn't have the background info you had, you eventually posted the evidence to support it.. simple. I have been around here long enough not to take claims at face value.. I am sure you do that as well. and no I won't correct you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58670 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 4:44 PM, FLYJACK said: and no I won't correct you. Yes, they made it to Seattle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58671 November 3, 2022 Gregory thought this guy looked like Cooper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooperNWO305 158 #58672 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 4:32 PM, Coopericane said: So 5,166 missing person reports from 1971-1972 were checked... interesting, I had not heard of an exact number. Though it seems to have come up before They mention fingerprints, and having run those through a system in 1978. I'm assuming there is no chance that any member of the public would ever get to see those prints? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #58673 November 3, 2022 (edited) Did a jealousy or competition develop on Flo's part toward Tina, post hijacking ? Tina getting all the attention. Tina wasn't flattering in some of her statements about how Flo handled things ? Does this express itself in Flo's objections to the first sketches ? Was Flo saying she had the only correct description of Cooper? Italian brunet vs. Nordic blonde ? Religious vs. Secular ? Cooper picked Tina and rejected the emotional Flo ? What strong biases developed during this hijacking ? We already know about Rataczak's strong reactions - ... OleMiss ????? Edited November 3, 2022 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 760 #58674 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 4:58 PM, olemisscub said: Gregory thought this guy looked like Cooper. I am a natural skeptic.. How do you know that is the right Catalano.. the Nazi was 33 in 1971 and I haven't seen a reference to the middle name Angelo.. There is another possibility, a "Fred Angelo Catalano" born 1922 NY and died 1978.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olemisscub 527 #58675 November 3, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 6:04 PM, FLYJACK said: I am a natural skeptic.. How do you know that is the right Catalano.. the Nazi was 33 in 1971 and I haven't seen a reference to the middle name Angelo.. There is another possibility, a "Fred Angelo Catalano" born 1922 NY and died 1978.. It was an educated guess given Fred Catalano's proclivities toward rabble rousing. He'd have been on the FBI's radar being that he was a leader within the American Nazi Party around that time. However, you're right on this, apparently the Nazi was Fred Francis Catalano. The guy you found apparently ended up in Pennsylvania because that's where he died and also I've found this on him, coming out of Pittsburgh in 1954. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
