Orange1 0
Recommended Posts
snowmman 3
QuoteMy fishy fishy fish, that went wherever I did go?
Is it in the cupboard?
georger 264
QuoteCome on Georger. With your tech skills you could make Duane or Cooper toast. Jesus toast is like so yesterday.
Hey, how about USB interfaced toaster printers that could burn a jpg image into a slice of bread? HP, are you listening?
377
funny. Thanks!
QuoteIn that rambling post where you seem to try divert attention to other things, you didn't answer my main question. I do not doubt that someone "real" contacted you, but do you have ANY proof at all that is he who he claims to be? You have confirmed he contacted you, rather than you tracking him down. Tell us, did the story about the FBI supposedly taking the register come from him AFTER you posted what you said H told you they "would have done"?
The only verification you seem to offer is that he knew Duane because of 'something' he told you. If that is the case (and think carefully if that 'something' may have been something you inadvertantly posted or hinted at before) - it still doesn't prove he was a night clerk at the hotel he claimed to be from.
The clerk contacted me from a Newpaper article Margie Boule wrote for the Oregonian. He did not know my email nor was I posting anywhere at that time. I think 101 was my first posting experience in the fall of 2001.
The article Margie Boule did was in 2000 and it was due to that article I was contacted by the night clerk.
Our first contacts where by phone.
Margie did a follow up article in 2001.
Hope I have the dates correct, but I do not have copies of those articles - I suppose they have gotten lost over the yrs or I just can't find them.
Yes, he is real and he is who he said he was and he did work for that hotel...I did contact the FBI at that time about what he told me and the registration mentioned at that time to the me and I related this to the FBI. There were 2 agents of record prior to Carr - so I really don't remember the agent of record at that time.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
I have always said that "If Duane was not Cooper he sure as Hell knew who was". I have stated that from day one.
I am cleaning house and old files. You will be interested to know that although the FBI claims to have done an extensive background check on Duana Weber the following information is recorded and stated.
As of a post in March 2000 the FBI denied that Duane was EVER at McNeil and stated he was never in the army. They are on record as stating that the number on his military records belonged to a Wavy Greene.
Does that sound like a thorough FBI check of Duane L. Weber? I frankly think the FBI needs to let the public know WHEN they did this background check...and why the agent of record before March 2000 had told me these things.
I told the agent he had not done a check of Duane because I was holding the papers from McNeil and a letter written from a Army post.
Just want to refresh the mind of those who have not followed this from day one.
We NOTE a strange thing - the FBI has never STATED - which hand Cooper held his cigarrette in.
Statement made by ex-wife "I didn't go to Portand with him --- I was at my sisters in Lorranine". I dont' know what time span she was referring to...I knew then but not now. Question - what was Duane doing in Portland????
Note that one of Duane's ex's worked for an airport and we never found Daisy Schuler - a wife of record.
Date of birth on the McNeil Prison file is June 18, 1920. Duane was born in 1924 or 1925.
That same month I am on to the Fire Jumpers and the near calamity at Hanford E Works in WA.
Then on to Operation Firefly - so you see my chasing Fire Fighters started in the very beginning - I have articles dating 1997 and 1998 when I was allowed to do searches in the office after everyone had left.
I jump off into some firefighting episodes - such as 1945 Klamath National Forest in CA. Where was Duane in July of 1945? That is something for the FBI.
Communications with someone from Duane's past -- every time Chigago and "a specific name" came up in a conversation the subject changed abruptly - with "I do not want to go there".
Mc Neil prisoners where used in the logging industry?????
Coffelt is reported as being in the Phoenix, AR area in July of 1960.
Remember Duane's connections to Phoenix in the 60's.
Brown was in the Sandy Springs area where Duane lived. Coffelt met Brown in Atlanta.
My research showed a Coffelt in the Canon City, Co prison but unknown if related to the suspect Coffelt. Dated 3/2000. The Coffelt/Brown thing has been with me from the beginning..
I am cleaning house and old files. You will be interested to know that although the FBI claims to have done an extensive background check on Duana Weber the following information is recorded and stated.
As of a post in March 2000 the FBI denied that Duane was EVER at McNeil and stated he was never in the army. They are on record as stating that the number on his military records belonged to a Wavy Greene.
Does that sound like a thorough FBI check of Duane L. Weber? I frankly think the FBI needs to let the public know WHEN they did this background check...and why the agent of record before March 2000 had told me these things.
I told the agent he had not done a check of Duane because I was holding the papers from McNeil and a letter written from a Army post.
Just want to refresh the mind of those who have not followed this from day one.
We NOTE a strange thing - the FBI has never STATED - which hand Cooper held his cigarrette in.
Statement made by ex-wife "I didn't go to Portand with him --- I was at my sisters in Lorranine". I dont' know what time span she was referring to...I knew then but not now. Question - what was Duane doing in Portland????
Note that one of Duane's ex's worked for an airport and we never found Daisy Schuler - a wife of record.
Date of birth on the McNeil Prison file is June 18, 1920. Duane was born in 1924 or 1925.
That same month I am on to the Fire Jumpers and the near calamity at Hanford E Works in WA.
Then on to Operation Firefly - so you see my chasing Fire Fighters started in the very beginning - I have articles dating 1997 and 1998 when I was allowed to do searches in the office after everyone had left.
I jump off into some firefighting episodes - such as 1945 Klamath National Forest in CA. Where was Duane in July of 1945? That is something for the FBI.
Communications with someone from Duane's past -- every time Chigago and "a specific name" came up in a conversation the subject changed abruptly - with "I do not want to go there".
Mc Neil prisoners where used in the logging industry?????
Coffelt is reported as being in the Phoenix, AR area in July of 1960.
Remember Duane's connections to Phoenix in the 60's.
Brown was in the Sandy Springs area where Duane lived. Coffelt met Brown in Atlanta.
My research showed a Coffelt in the Canon City, Co prison but unknown if related to the suspect Coffelt. Dated 3/2000. The Coffelt/Brown thing has been with me from the beginning..
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
The first 7 months of 2000:
Because of the computer I was able to start tracing people from Duane's past. Two individuals I tried to contact both deceased after I made my initial contact - I would learn of these by newspaper articles and the computer. Then I make an inquiry about a third person (also recently deceased)and get a phone call from someone out of Duane's past. His phone call made me nervous, but I did manage to ask him about things I needed to know such as owners of/or interest in the Midnight Sun and another major club in Atlanta yrs ago.
A woman from WA contacted me thinking that Duane may have been her Grandfather (located in the Des Moines area where-ever that is).. I do not know why I ruled this out, but will revisit it and see if I draw the same conclusion now.
During this time period - early 2000, the ex finally admitted they lived in Chicago for a short period.
I was also able to locate the area Duane took me to in WA - when I would tell someone what I was looking for they always wanted to go further North. The computer was an amazing things - I found the area with a little help from individuals who sent me some topographical ground maps - I verified these locations in 2001 when I went to WA. There was no question by the driver who was undercover narco - that I had been there before.
During these first few months of 2000 - I learned information that still to this day conflicts with information regarding Duane's criminal background. It would be mighty NICE of the FBI to provide me with a copy of these records (something I was promised in this forum, but NEVER received). I am willing to pay for the copies and postage if this is too much of a burden for the FBI.
I communicated with a man I knew only as the peregrinator - whoever he was I poured my heart out because I could not understand why certain government organizations had ignorned me and lied to me. With the computer I had been able to explore many of those things myself.
I was connecting dots and tracing Duane's work records. LaMesa TX, Muchheback Hotel KS, Mobile Terra Catering Co, Modulus Corp, New Orleans, Scottsdale AZ, Miss, La - Duane's infamous run from the FBI for several yrs (yet, was he really in prison all of that time - why I need incarceration records).
You cannot be working in all these places and be in prison at the same time...the time frame of 1962 to 1966. This is why I need to know from the FBI their own records and not what has been obtained by individual enquiry and letters. Clerks make mistakes. So does the FBI.
June 2000 I have a very bad Auto accident with multiple broken ribs and facial cuts and knee injury - was unable to work for several wks.
July of 2000 - the US News and World Reports prints an article about Duane Weber written by Doug Pasternak
One of the last articles written by J.J. Maloney was very interesting.
This is a story about River Quay and the Kansas City Mafia...I have a bridge in Arizona for sale anyone interested?
Because of the computer I was able to start tracing people from Duane's past. Two individuals I tried to contact both deceased after I made my initial contact - I would learn of these by newspaper articles and the computer. Then I make an inquiry about a third person (also recently deceased)and get a phone call from someone out of Duane's past. His phone call made me nervous, but I did manage to ask him about things I needed to know such as owners of/or interest in the Midnight Sun and another major club in Atlanta yrs ago.
A woman from WA contacted me thinking that Duane may have been her Grandfather (located in the Des Moines area where-ever that is).. I do not know why I ruled this out, but will revisit it and see if I draw the same conclusion now.
During this time period - early 2000, the ex finally admitted they lived in Chicago for a short period.
I was also able to locate the area Duane took me to in WA - when I would tell someone what I was looking for they always wanted to go further North. The computer was an amazing things - I found the area with a little help from individuals who sent me some topographical ground maps - I verified these locations in 2001 when I went to WA. There was no question by the driver who was undercover narco - that I had been there before.
During these first few months of 2000 - I learned information that still to this day conflicts with information regarding Duane's criminal background. It would be mighty NICE of the FBI to provide me with a copy of these records (something I was promised in this forum, but NEVER received). I am willing to pay for the copies and postage if this is too much of a burden for the FBI.
I communicated with a man I knew only as the peregrinator - whoever he was I poured my heart out because I could not understand why certain government organizations had ignorned me and lied to me. With the computer I had been able to explore many of those things myself.
I was connecting dots and tracing Duane's work records. LaMesa TX, Muchheback Hotel KS, Mobile Terra Catering Co, Modulus Corp, New Orleans, Scottsdale AZ, Miss, La - Duane's infamous run from the FBI for several yrs (yet, was he really in prison all of that time - why I need incarceration records).
You cannot be working in all these places and be in prison at the same time...the time frame of 1962 to 1966. This is why I need to know from the FBI their own records and not what has been obtained by individual enquiry and letters. Clerks make mistakes. So does the FBI.
June 2000 I have a very bad Auto accident with multiple broken ribs and facial cuts and knee injury - was unable to work for several wks.
July of 2000 - the US News and World Reports prints an article about Duane Weber written by Doug Pasternak
One of the last articles written by J.J. Maloney was very interesting.
This is a story about River Quay and the Kansas City Mafia...I have a bridge in Arizona for sale anyone interested?
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
georger 264
QuoteCome on Georger. With your tech skills you could make Duane or Cooper toast. Jesus toast is like so yesterday.
Hey, how about USB interfaced toaster printers that could burn a jpg image into a slice of bread? HP, are you listening?
377
Lots of things are possible - theoretically. In the
every day world of Cooper it is the basic facts
which are lacking. That is always my end-goal.
Georger
georger 264
QuoteI have watch this thread for some time now.
At first I found it to be entertaining and somewhat informative.
For the last couple months however I find it has been nothing more then rehashing the same old stuff, and has lost any entertainment or informative value.
Not directed at you Jo, but to almost the entire population of this thread, has any one actuall got somehing NEW to say, or does anyone actually feel they are getting any closer to what ever it is they think they are going to get from this exercise?
A fair question. Some might answer, 'its none of your
business!', or 'it doesnt atter..just keep doing your job!'. Nothing is guaranteed in this life.
But, if you went back to the beginning of these threads and kept a list of basic issues to be answered you might notice some questions have
been answered, some progress hasbeen made.
It may depend on your perspective and what questions you had (to be answered) in the first
place.
I try to focus on very simple questions and get answers to those.
The public knows a lot morebout this matter than
they did say five years ago.
My grandfather uses to say to me: There are two
rules in life (well at least two). One, if you are ever
down to your last dime, spend a nickel on a rose for yourself, and Two, never be unkind to your horse.
(It was my job to ride fence on the upper sections
and report back.)
Georger
snowmman 3
QuoteQuoteCome on Georger. With your tech skills you could make Duane or Cooper toast. Jesus toast is like so yesterday.
Hey, how about USB interfaced toaster printers that could burn a jpg image into a slice of bread? HP, are you listening?
377
Lots of things are possible - theoretically. In the
every day world of Cooper it is the basic facts
which are lacking. That is always my end-goal.
Georger
Huh? what are you guys talking about. Yes you can get a bread toaster that plugs in via USB to burn whatever image you want.
I thought 377 was just discussing facts when he mentioned it.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/scan-toaster-puts-the-power-of-miracle-toast-into-the-hands-of/
It was a concept design for a contest this year sponsored by Electrolux.
Hey georger, you should also calculate the shock loading on the money bag attach if there was a canopy deployment..it is probably a little worse then the loading from turbulent air on jet exit?
how come no jumpers step in here to give the calcs for a 28' round/200 lb/canopy open at various speeds?
I read a description of a program pifcalc for calculating/estimating? Also oscalc is mentioned?
http://www.pcprg.com/pifprog.htm
is this garbage?
"The PCPRG has developed a new software diagnostic tool aimed at providing a user-friendly computer program for the computation of the maximum parachute drag force generated during inflation"
re: the thread management philosophy:
keep 'em in the dark, feed them ..
Orange1 0
QuoteQuoteMy fishy fishy fish, that went wherever I did go?
Is it in the cupboard?
yay! we have a winner!
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
377 22
I didnt know about the real USB toaster, I was just joking.
Somewhere back in the 80s I saw a report on C 9 canopy opening forces. It was a govt study and incuded some amazing high speed movie camera footage of C 9 openings including one that destroyed it. The movie was on the Internet for a while, but I can no longer find it.
Dan Poynter is the man on canopy data. Google him.
377
Somewhere back in the 80s I saw a report on C 9 canopy opening forces. It was a govt study and incuded some amazing high speed movie camera footage of C 9 openings including one that destroyed it. The movie was on the Internet for a while, but I can no longer find it.
Dan Poynter is the man on canopy data. Google him.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
nigel99 595
QuoteI jump off into some firefighting episodes - such as 1945 Klamath National Forest in CA. Where was Duane in July of 1945? That is something for the FBI.
"I lost my keys and it must be government conspiracy because the FBI refuse to look for them" - (c) Me 2008
![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
.
Surely you don't believe that your national crime fighting agency should be looking into where every citizen has been at the whim of another member of the public?
When the threads started your story was really interesting and appeared to be based on fact - over the last few months a very different picture has emerged and I strongly believe that you have been hoodwinked by pranksters. I feel very sorry for you as I think you are probably an innocent old lady who hasn't quite grasped that it is very easy to search the internet for information and what you see in the "shadows" for example Georgers supposed access to information is simply savvy internet use (in reality he is more likely to be a spotty faced 15 year old than a CIA/FBI/Galen Cook whoever you seem to think he is)
Other people have said it before and I agree - an internet forum is not the place to fight your corner on Duane. I suggest that you create a blog somewhere and try and make a public record of your own that provides a chronology of Duanes life, the missing times and any photo's along with the reasons that you believe that he was Cooper.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
QuoteOther people have said it before and I agree - an internet forum is not the place to fight your corner on Duane. I suggest that you create a blog somewhere and try and make a public record of your own that provides a chronology of Duanes life, the missing times and any photo's along with the reasons that you believe that he was Cooper.
Please excuse the underlines and bold captions along with the little icons, but this is the last you will see of them.
The internet is what brought me this far and I am not ready to back down - I know nothing about blogs other than they are something teenagers do with absolutely no intelligent feed back the way I get in this forum...I also take a lot of crap.
What I am doing now is still answering Oranges' question regarding the night clerk. After that you will find a statement from me.
I have been thru the whole yr of 2000. I had actually forgotten exactly what transpired. In August of 2000 Margie Boule of the Oregonian did an excelllent article regarding Cooper/Weber.
The repsonses where over whelming and I never returned all of them as I noticed in my review.
Through that article - I found and communicatied with William Mitchell the college student who sat near Cooper. We exchanged communications - first thru his daughter and then between the two of us.
There was also a woman I have become very good friends with and who assisted me when I went out to WA in 2001. Her husband had observed something after the crime that she felt I should know.
Through Margie and the article I met the night clerk. At that time I questioned what he said and was very skeptical. I did not ask him to go to the FBI, but they were given his name and contact information...they did not contact him.
That article in the Oregonian opened up a flood gate of contacts including the gate man who said he needed to see more photos. (I don't think I was ever given a contact address to send the other photos to).
Others came forward who claimed to have been in the terminal and said Duane was the man they saw.
I did not ask for the names of these individuals and now in retrospect maybe I should have.
The 2 magazine articles and news article brought many offers of TV specials, books, movie options and others. (Looking back I was surprise there were actually as many as there were). I chose to only accept one program because they offered to take me to WA. I would later accept another offer because of the content of the program.
I did not feel I knew enough or had enough information to consider a book or movie. I had one bad experience with a man who wanted to write a book and that was enough for me.
My statement:
I trusted the FBI to investigate Duane. Prior to the US News Article and the article by Margie Boule in the Oregonian - the FBI lied to me - or they had NOT checked the obvious. This was evident because of the agent's responses to me - but he never expected me to go public after 4 yrs. He (the FBI) lied to me - by stating for example " Your husband was never in McNeil" and I am holding the damn papers in my hand as we were talking. It was at that point I decided to go public.
I had been talking to Pasternak for over 2 yrs prior to that conversation, but chose to not go public and let the FBI deal with it. That day on the phone. I called Doug and said "Let's do it!"
This has been the hardest 8 yrs of my life, but I do not regret it because I know that in the long run I did the right thing. The only part of all of this I regret is the fact that my recently deceased husband had to share me with what I was doing. When I met him I did NOT tell him what I was involved in - and when told me "we have a future together" it was only fair to let him know what he was in for...this was almost a yr later.
I hope this answers any question that have been presented to me about the night clerk and why I went public.
And now you know the rest of the story. Thank you for your tolerance and I hope that you now understand that I did NOT go public for over 4 yrs. Yes, I have been gullible and regretfully allowed myself to get swallowed up by others whose only course of action was to discredit me.
I have been on trial for 8 yrs now and the jury is still hung, due to lack of evidence. This has been the longest day of my life...and I am very tired. I looked for truth and justice - the only way I could, but it wasn't good enough.,,I allowed myself to be manipulated in my search because I had become weary and desparate for answers.
I haven't given up - on truth and justice, but it is becoming more difficult everyday. If we as citizens cannot expect the truth from those who are sworn to protect us - who can we trust?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Orange1 0
QuoteI know nothing about blogs other than they are something teenagers do with absolutely no intelligent feed back the way I get in this forum
.....I haven't given up - on truth and justice, but it is becoming more difficult everyday. If we as citizens cannot expect the truth from those who are sworn to protect us - who can we trust?
Dear me Jo... the bloggers associated with such eminent sites as the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times would surely be seriously offended by your statement on blogs.
And just by the way all these conspiracy theories are starting to irritate the **** out of me. You live in one of the most free - if not THE most free - country in the world and yet you have no idea how lucky you are. Yes I know the US govt is not squeaky clean but honestly... in the extremely unlikely event that Duane was Cooper AND that the US govt for some reason wants to cover it up - well it all seems rather petty to someone who has lived through an undemocratic regime with censorship of the media and the existence of government hit squads responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people (and even that pales into insignificance vs some other countries). Maybe if you really had something to worry about people wouldn't have to manufacture things to worry about. [end of rant]
Quotebut this is the last you will see of them.
Really? This is now, what, the 4th time you have threatened to stop posting?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
377 22
Quotebut this is the last you will see of them.
"Really? This is now, what, the 4th time you have threatened to stop posting?"
Jo only promised to stop underlining and bold facing. She can continue to post without breaking any promises. I hope she keeps posting even though I disagree with most of her conclusions. Jo provides the basic fuel of controversy which helps to keep the dialogue alive. Jo wants to convince us that Duane was Cooper or an accomplice and that the FBI has hidden motives that have kept them from examining evidence which corroborates her claims. We try to convince her that she is obsessed, ignores evidence that is contrary to her beliefs and exaggerates or overemphasizes evidence that supports them.
So keep on posting Jo. Hell, you can even italicize, boldface and do any other typographical stunts you wish. Nobody has disproved your Duane is Cooper claim, just as you have failed to prove it. Your posts do no harm and the lively controversy they fuel helps to draw Cooper newbies to the forum. Every newbie is a potential case solver, so keep em coming.
Peace,
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Jo,
It takes a “hell-of-a-lot” to get me to post to this forum. But, I think you have reached a “tipping point.” So, I am going to make a (public) appeal to you to get things in order. Please turn this negative into a positive. (When life gives you “Chicken Shit,” make “Chicken Salad.”)
Take nigel99’s advice. Accept 377’s encouragement. Take snowmman’s advice about getting another dog. Use this thread for information gathering and a “progress check.” Start a blog to tell others about your experiences and theories about Duane.
If you can write a letter, or post to a forum, you can write a blog. I will donate space on N467US.com’s server for a “Jo Weber Blog.” Because N467US.com doesn’t deal in conspiracy theories, I will have to make it autonomous (internet wise), or put a big disclaimer on it to the effect of: “This Blog is the opinion of the author and respondents and in no way reflects the point of view (or values) of N467US.com.”
I can handle all the technical details and it will be as simple for you as posting to a forum. I think it will take a lot of stress out of your life.
Let me know what you want to do.
Now, I’m going back to work on my pet project.
Orange1,
Speaking of my (current) pet project... You posted something about 4 months ago that has helped me tremendously (it concerns your answer to the question about 10,000 feet as an ideal jump altitude and whether that would be (typically expressed as) AGL or MSL).Your response helped me with (or started me thinking about), the dangers of night jumps over terrain that one was unfamiliar with. With MOCA’s in the area of 3,000 – 4,500 ft. the AGL jump altitude and appropriate free-fall delay had to be … risky… critical… foolish… stupid… cagey… but (most of all) essential to success or failure. This speaks to his skydiving expertise and or topographic knowledge of a very large area. In those two areas he was either super knowledgeable/confident or totally oblivious/passive (in regard to survival).
I’ll have more on this when I finish the project. Watch my web site for the results.
Sluggo
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
It takes a “hell-of-a-lot” to get me to post to this forum. But, I think you have reached a “tipping point.” So, I am going to make a (public) appeal to you to get things in order. Please turn this negative into a positive. (When life gives you “Chicken Shit,” make “Chicken Salad.”)
Take nigel99’s advice. Accept 377’s encouragement. Take snowmman’s advice about getting another dog. Use this thread for information gathering and a “progress check.” Start a blog to tell others about your experiences and theories about Duane.
If you can write a letter, or post to a forum, you can write a blog. I will donate space on N467US.com’s server for a “Jo Weber Blog.” Because N467US.com doesn’t deal in conspiracy theories, I will have to make it autonomous (internet wise), or put a big disclaimer on it to the effect of: “This Blog is the opinion of the author and respondents and in no way reflects the point of view (or values) of N467US.com.”
I can handle all the technical details and it will be as simple for you as posting to a forum. I think it will take a lot of stress out of your life.
Let me know what you want to do.
Now, I’m going back to work on my pet project.
Orange1,
Speaking of my (current) pet project... You posted something about 4 months ago that has helped me tremendously (it concerns your answer to the question about 10,000 feet as an ideal jump altitude and whether that would be (typically expressed as) AGL or MSL).Your response helped me with (or started me thinking about), the dangers of night jumps over terrain that one was unfamiliar with. With MOCA’s in the area of 3,000 – 4,500 ft. the AGL jump altitude and appropriate free-fall delay had to be … risky… critical… foolish… stupid… cagey… but (most of all) essential to success or failure. This speaks to his skydiving expertise and or topographic knowledge of a very large area. In those two areas he was either super knowledgeable/confident or totally oblivious/passive (in regard to survival).
I’ll have more on this when I finish the project. Watch my web site for the results.
Sluggo
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
Orange1 0
Quote
Orange1,
Speaking of my (current) pet project... You posted something about 4 months ago that has helped me tremendously (it concerns your answer to the question about 10,000 feet as an ideal jump altitude and whether that would be (typically expressed as) AGL or MSL).Your response helped me with (or started me thinking about), the dangers of night jumps over terrain that one was unfamiliar with. With MOCA’s in the area of 3,000 – 4,500 ft. the AGL jump altitude and appropriate free-fall delay had to be … risky… critical… foolish… stupid… cagey… but (most of all) essential to success or failure. This speaks to his skydiving expertise and or topographic knowledge of a very large area. It those two areas he was either super knowledgeable/confident or totally oblivious/passive (in regard to survival).
I’ll have more on this when I finish the project. Watch my web site for the results.
Sluggo
Great... would you please do us (me) the favor of posting the link, at least, when you are done with that?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
Orange1,
I will ensure that the posters here have that link.
Sluggo_Monster
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
I will ensure that the posters here have that link.
Sluggo_Monster
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
377 22
QuoteWith MOCA’s in the area of 3,000 – 4,500 ft. the AGL jump altitude and appropriate free-fall delay had to be … risky… critical… foolish… stupid… cagey… but (most of all) essential to success or failure. This speaks to his skydiving expertise and or topographic knowledge of a very large area. In those two areas he was either super knowledgeable/confident or totally oblivious/passive (in regard to survival).
All true, but how will you choose between whether the exit point selection was foolish/ignorant or experienced/well planned?
The old timers at my DZ in the late 60s were talking about night jumps and the dangers of hitting mountains if your spot was off. They said if you can't see lights directly below your exit point that give you some idea of altitude, don't jump. They thought car headlights were good markers because you had an intuitive way of relating to their separation distance to altitude and there wasn't much variation in headlight separation from car to car.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
nigel99 595
QuoteYour posts do no harm and the lively controversy they fuel helps to draw Cooper newbies to the forum. Every newbie is a potential case solver, so keep em coming.
Can't we just use (.)(.) to keep people interested
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
snowmman 3
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin
Dr. Ralph Hoffman, a psychiatry professor at Yale who studies delusions, said a growing number of his research subjects have told him of visiting mind-control sites, and finding in them confirmation of their own experiences.
“The views of these belief systems are like a shark that has to be constantly fed,” Dr. Hoffman said. “If you don’t feed the delusion, sooner or later it will die out or diminish on its own accord. The key thing is that it needs to be repetitively reinforced.”
For people who regularly visit and write on message boards on the mind-control sites, the idea that others would describe the sites as promoting delusional and psychotic thinking is simply evidence of a cover-up of the truth.
“It was a big relief to find the community,” said Derrick Robinson, 55, a janitor in Cincinnati and president of Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance, a group that claims several hundred regular users of its Web site. “I felt that maybe there were others, but I wasn’t real sure until I did find this community,” Mr. Robinson said.
....
Psychiatrists and researchers say it is too soon to say whether communication on the Internet among people who may be psychotic will negatively effect their illnesses.
” This is a very complex little corner,” said Dr. Ken Duckworth, the medical director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, an advocacy group. “Some people may find it’s healing, but these are really hard questions. The Internet isn’t a cause of mental illness, it’s a complicating new variable.”
Dr. Ralph Hoffman, a psychiatry professor at Yale who studies delusions, said a growing number of his research subjects have told him of visiting mind-control sites, and finding in them confirmation of their own experiences.
“The views of these belief systems are like a shark that has to be constantly fed,” Dr. Hoffman said. “If you don’t feed the delusion, sooner or later it will die out or diminish on its own accord. The key thing is that it needs to be repetitively reinforced.”
For people who regularly visit and write on message boards on the mind-control sites, the idea that others would describe the sites as promoting delusional and psychotic thinking is simply evidence of a cover-up of the truth.
“It was a big relief to find the community,” said Derrick Robinson, 55, a janitor in Cincinnati and president of Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance, a group that claims several hundred regular users of its Web site. “I felt that maybe there were others, but I wasn’t real sure until I did find this community,” Mr. Robinson said.
....
Psychiatrists and researchers say it is too soon to say whether communication on the Internet among people who may be psychotic will negatively effect their illnesses.
” This is a very complex little corner,” said Dr. Ken Duckworth, the medical director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, an advocacy group. “Some people may find it’s healing, but these are really hard questions. The Internet isn’t a cause of mental illness, it’s a complicating new variable.”
377 22
There is a cynical guy on eBay who designs custom mind control signal analysers for that crowd. He used to show up when you'd search under direction finders.
It is funny how so many unrelated people can share very similar delusions. I had at least half a dozen criminal defendant clients over the years who sincerely believed that the govt had implanted electronics in their brain to monitor and or control them. Their description of the implant, how it was done and how it affected them were remarkably similar. They were NOT trying for a fake insanity defense either. They really believed it.
I guess the UFO abductees also have similar stories, but they probably are influenced by book and web stuff. These defendants were usually homeless/indigent and not part of any organized community of people sharing similar delusions.
I wonder how many people have claimed to be Cooper? How many of them really believed it?
Still waiting on Ckret and Galen Cook. Promises promises...
377
It is funny how so many unrelated people can share very similar delusions. I had at least half a dozen criminal defendant clients over the years who sincerely believed that the govt had implanted electronics in their brain to monitor and or control them. Their description of the implant, how it was done and how it affected them were remarkably similar. They were NOT trying for a fake insanity defense either. They really believed it.
I guess the UFO abductees also have similar stories, but they probably are influenced by book and web stuff. These defendants were usually homeless/indigent and not part of any organized community of people sharing similar delusions.
I wonder how many people have claimed to be Cooper? How many of them really believed it?
Still waiting on Ckret and Galen Cook. Promises promises...
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
in my mind, 377 is the reference signal. The gps we can trust. If 377 goes nuts, then we're hosed.
However, I did have a good laugh to myself.
Is DZ.com the forum for delusional people who think they can fly? :)
However, I did have a good laugh to myself.
Is DZ.com the forum for delusional people who think they can fly? :)
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it is because sometimes you suddenly look at the same thing in a different way. As you well know this is often a good way of discovering information, so don't knock it.
In that rambling post where you seem to try divert attention to other things, you didn't answer my main question. I do not doubt that someone "real" contacted you, but do you have ANY proof at all that is he who he claims to be? You have confirmed he contacted you, rather than you tracking him down. Tell us, did the story about the FBI supposedly taking the register come from him AFTER you posted what you said H told you they "would have done"?
The only verification you seem to offer is that he knew Duane because of 'something' he told you. If that is the case (and think carefully if that 'something' may have been something you inadvertantly posted or hinted at before) - it still doesn't prove he was a night clerk at the hotel he claimed to be from. He may have known Duane from anywhere (Miami in the bay of pigs era maybe, for example...?)
Maybe this is the reason the FBI doesn't have any record of the register: it never existed.
Never mind Jesus in the toaster, or even delusions, this is just looking more & more like a story built on a house of cards. Believing stuff because you want to believe it without bothering to verify it, simultaneously ignoring what you don't want to hear.
As for the fish... thanks guys..but are you sure that it is the same one? My fishy fishy fish, that went wherever I did go?
Share this post
Link to post
Share on other sites