DB Cooper

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

Damn. I wonder how Mayfield got to be such a prime suspect when he was in his twenties at the time of the hijacking. With all those phone calls put in about him, you have to think his picture was shown to witnesses pretty quick after the hijacking. If he already had a record, they could print up his picture in a heartbeat. But due to his age, I think you could safely rule him out.

Georger says in part:

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'Read the title of 99's post: Mayfield and Jumping Jack Cash.

What does Hayden and Cossey chutes have to do with Mayfield
and pulls on Mayfield's chutes ... or other WWII chutes?

Please post on topic?'

Asked and answered. Let me get this straight...YOU are advising me to 'post on topic'?

Uh, okay. Sure. I will remind you of this the next time you quote over the lyrics to a Biblical hymn as a response to a post...

Funny you should say this now since you previously said you
knew all about him! (years ago!)

[georger 258]

  BruceSmith

***Geez, Bruce. How about an apology from YOU to the Dormuth family out in Shelton? Or maybe one from ME to Smokin99 for dumb comments made a few months back. (Actually, I think I did that. But if I didn't, I apologize.)

Don't you get it why no one wants to answer your questions? Because you (sometimes, not ALWAYS) take the low road when people won't answer your questions. I told you a long time back that if you kept this up, you'd start running out of people who would answer your questions.

You understand of course that your article about the Dormuths' (retired FBI agent married to Tina Mucklow's sister) caused them to completely shut out EVERYONE on questions regarding Tina, or the Cooper case in general? They won't speak to anyone now. You did that, my friend. Did you apologize to them? Did you alter that article as I suggested?

My guess is no on both.

When Lee Dormuth or his wife ask for an apology I will give it due consideration.

As for your accusation that the Dormuths clammed up because of my alleged bad behavior, what's your proof? What interviews were they giving to journalists before I knocked on their door and then wrote about Lee's need for dental care?

Rather, I think you perceived a weak spot in my public standing and then took advantage to deliver a cheap shot.

Maybe Jo 'perceived a weak spot in the DB Cooper case and
then took advantage to deliver a cheap shot, to advertise her
newly formed HOMES4UBYJO Realty business.? This lady who
says she has no internet saavy, then goes public, on the
internet! selling houses?! And a Cooper story about Duane ?
Launched together. Like peas in a pod. Instant stardom.

[Robert99 55]

  georger

***

They weren't Cossey's. They were Hayden's and it was Hayden who even arranged the delivery. I have to remind people of this small fact occasionally. That's all.

why! ?

its off the topic R99 was addressing?

Got any opins on the Jimmy Bob Jones ministry?



Blevins, The intent of my original post was to point out to those who may have never seen one before that Smokin had a picture of Ted Mayfield with a "non-standard" ripcord position.

Since Cossey reportedly modified the ripcord position on one of Hayden's parachutes, and packed it and others involved in the hijacking, it was "Cossey's parachute" in at least one sense of the term.

Robert99

[BruceSmith 3]

  Quote

"I told you I refused to apologize regarding a reference to me sueing you as I did NOT remember saying that."

And what did I say when you said that you refused to apologize for something that you don't remember?

As for me, I recall that I insisted on an apology regardless of whether you remembered the instances or not.

Then, you agreed to issue a written apology on this thread with the caviat that you don't remember ever suggesting that you wanted to sue me.

With that, I agreed to talk with you, and did.

Now, you have refused to issue your apology.

Hence, I don't want to talk with you until you deliver me a written apology in this forum.

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

******Geez, Bruce. How about an apology from YOU to the Dormuth family out in Shelton? Or maybe one from ME to Smokin99 for dumb comments made a few months back. (Actually, I think I did that. But if I didn't, I apologize.)

Don't you get it why no one wants to answer your questions? Because you (sometimes, not ALWAYS) take the low road when people won't answer your questions. I told you a long time back that if you kept this up, you'd start running out of people who would answer your questions.

You understand of course that your article about the Dormuths' (retired FBI agent married to Tina Mucklow's sister) caused them to completely shut out EVERYONE on questions regarding Tina, or the Cooper case in general? They won't speak to anyone now. You did that, my friend. Did you apologize to them? Did you alter that article as I suggested?

My guess is no on both.

When Lee Dormuth or his wife ask for an apology I will give it due consideration.

As for your accusation that the Dormuths clammed up because of my alleged bad behavior, what's your proof? What interviews were they giving to journalists before I knocked on their door and then wrote about Lee's need for dental care?

Rather, I think you perceived a weak spot in my public standing and then took advantage to deliver a cheap shot.

Members of the Dormuth family saw your article. If you had played fair with them and been polite, maybe they would have seen you again. How the hell do you think I got six interviews with Margie Geestman? One time I even brought treats for her dog. Another time I helped tidy up her place while we talked.

You asked for proof. I don't know if this serves for proof, but right after your article appeared, I sent them a copy of the Blast book, a nice cover letter, and sixteen pictures. Then a few days later, I called them. They said they were no longer discussing anything about the Cooper case. Since you were the last one to speak to them about it, I take that as a sign. You need to change your methods when attempting difficult interviews. That's just an opinion.

I still think your book is good, and you are a major contributor to investigating the case. But sometimes you have to go easy on people, make them feel comfortable, in order to get them to open up to you. You have to establish trust, and yes...get them to like you if you can. It's the results that matter, and you have to do what's best to get those results. You can't just go off in a pique and publish crap because they wouldn't give you what you wanted. If you had been nice to them, you might have established yourself a direct pipeline to Mucklow. You chose another route.

Is Bruce also to blame for you being rejected by other people
you tried to interview but were refused by ... and the WSHM
who rejected your offer to serve as a "Celebrity Author"
socalled expert in the Cooper case!

Blevins you are such a con artist. When are you going to stop
pretending to be - important.

[skyjack71 0]

  377

Jo wrote

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August 2000 - the night Clerk has contacted Margie - but I thought the article was done in 2001 - I must be wrong. No more noted for the yr 2000 in the planner - but I didn't keep it all.

What ever became of the Night Clerk Jo?

377

He sent me an email several months ago that he was coming to the states but if he did I have not heard from him. He may be having more issues as you know before he came to the states for surgery to have a kidney removed because of cancer - that is when the FBI finally went to see him while he was on pain medications from the surgery. YEA, great timing on the part of CKRET - Agent CARR who had to be shamed on this thread in going to see the man.

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[BruceSmith 3]

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"...Since Cossey reportedly modified the ripcord position on one of Hayden's parachutes, and packed it and others involved in the hijacking, it was "Cossey's parachute" in at least one sense of the term.

Robert99..."

Robert99, neither Earl Cossey or Norman Hayden have ever claimed that scenario.

Earl always maintained that he modified the rip cord on a parchute he owned.

Norman says that none of his parachutes were ever modified as long as he owned them.

Further, Norman told me that he doesn't remember when or where he purchaed his two back chutes. Of course, he has told other people other versions of this scenario, such that he purchased his chutes from a army-navy store, or some such.

However, I believe that Norman bought his two mains directly from the Pacific Aviation people since he had a long-standing relationhip with them.

[georger 258]

  skyjack71

***Jo wrote

  Quote

August 2000 - the night Clerk has contacted Margie - but I thought the article was done in 2001 - I must be wrong. No more noted for the yr 2000 in the planner - but I didn't keep it all.

What ever became of the Night Clerk Jo?

377

He sent me an email several months ago that he was coming to the states but if he did I have not heard from him. He may be having more issues as you know before he came to the states for surgery to have a kidney removed because of cancer - that is when the FBI finally went to see him while he was on pain medications from the surgery. YEA, great timing on the part of CKRET - Agent CARR who had to be shamed on this thread in going to see the man.

Jo your cynical attitude has always been noted.

Built a whole career in the DB Cooper case complete with public
notoriety out of ..... what? Nothing? Claims? No evidence!?

Your cynical attitude that people are dumber than stumps and
suckers has been confirmed, apparently.

CONGRATS!

[never mind the old sick lady with a call book in her hand!]

[skyjack71 0]

Below is only the last part of Bruce's post regarding his behaviour and demeaning words and descriptions of individuals he has interviewed in the Cooper CASE! Referencing his interviews with various subjects:

His post was below acceptable standards to quote it in its entirety.

  Quote

Hence, I think I am entitled to an apology from a former civil servant who feels he has a right to deceive and keep silent in his retirement. I say no.

Bruce you NEED to take SOME TIME out and I believe the other posters will agree to this. Your behavior is uncalled for. WAY over the limits!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[BruceSmith 3]

  skyjack71

Below is only the last part of Bruce's post regarding his behaviour and demeaning words and descriptions of individuals he has interviewed in the Cooper CASE! Referencing his interviews with various subjects:

His post was below acceptable standards to quote it in its entirety.

  Quote

Hence, I think I am entitled to an apology from a former civil servant who feels he has a right to deceive and keep silent in his retirement. I say no.

Bruce you NEED to take SOME TIME out and I believe the other posters will agree to this. Your behavior is uncalled for. WAY over the limits!

Does this mean that you believe that retired FBI agents have the right to lie or sandbag a case with silence, Mrs. Cooper?

Or would you just prefer that I shut up.

Or will you continue to demean my character and impune my professional reputation until you get the silence that you crave?

How ugly you gonna get girl?

[skyjack71 0]

Georger are you needing someone to pick on tonight! Sounds like it - I answered 377's question and nothing more.

Perhaps it was MY long post regarding my notes and planners I kept and my revisiting them? They were totally off topic, but I REALLY thought you might APPRECIATE a little deviation from the subject tonight.


Might as WELL have a little fun along the way!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

  BruceSmith

***Geez, Bruce. How about an apology from YOU to the Dormuth family out in Shelton? Or maybe one from ME to Smokin99 for dumb comments made a few months back. (Actually, I think I did that. But if I didn't, I apologize.)

Don't you get it why no one wants to answer your questions? Because you (sometimes, not ALWAYS) take the low road when people won't answer your questions. I told you a long time back that if you kept this up, you'd start running out of people who would answer your questions.

You understand of course that your article about the Dormuths' (retired FBI agent married to Tina Mucklow's sister) caused them to completely shut out EVERYONE on questions regarding Tina, or the Cooper case in general? They won't speak to anyone now. You did that, my friend. Did you apologize to them? Did you alter that article as I suggested?

My guess is no on both.

When Lee Dormuth or his wife ask for an apology I will give it due consideration.

As for your accusation that the Dormuths clammed up because of my alleged bad behavior, what's your proof? What interviews were they giving to journalists before I knocked on their door and then wrote about Lee's need for dental care?

Rather, I think you perceived a weak spot in my public standing and then took advantage to deliver a cheap shot.

As for the Dormuths' behavior, consider this:

1. Lee lied to me about the nature of his relationship with Tina. I know it is active and not passive because I know that he reads her mail.

2. Lee told me that he has no interest in Tina and "wants no part of it." I find that unconscionable. His sister in law is a raging recluse and clearly needs all the familial support she can get.

3. Lee did not return repeated phone calls to me before I walked up to his front door. I think he has a responsiblity to society and all taxpayers to communicate on a case that he is intimately familiar with. After all, we paid him - and continue to pay him in a pension - to deliver a measure of justice. I don't think he is keeping his end of the bargain.

Hence, I think I am entitled to an apology from a former civil servant who feels he has a right to deceive and keep silent in his retirement. I say no.

What say you, Robert?



BRUCE:
The POSTs you have made recently are demeaning and unnecessary. YOU are using this thread to justify attacking anyone & everyone who does NOT bow to you or praise your work.

Writing about real people is an art. One can tell the truth and give their opinion without humiliating and embarrassing and causing emotional harm to the subjects. IT is not your writing abilities that are in question - is how you demean your subjects.

You have been offered a contract and you are letting it go to your head - remember it is only an option.

Right now you are self destructing. Taking giant steps backwards. NOTHING to be gained by acting like a child having a temper tantrum.

You have let a little praise go to your head - but, you aren't going to make it for the long haul if you don't step back & think about how you are coming across to the public and your treatment of the subjects of your writings.

Right NOW you are not functional.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[377 22]

Blevins wrote

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here was no lawsuit. The FBI simply acknowledged the remaining chute belonged to him and returned it. And as you know, he eventually donated it to the WSHM.

You sure it was donated? I heard it was sold.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[skyjack71 0]

The atmosphere in the thread is very thin right now. Just because this a large and very active thread - is no reason to continue it. NO one comes to this thread about Cooper to read the bickering postings & demands of the posters. They come here for information.

As soon as they read one page they move on - and who would blame them. Even the regulars don't stick around very long. I even tried to change the subject tonight just for a breath of air....but, NO such LUCK!

What we have right now is 2 writers with ego problems and one jerk who only quips about the postings of others and myself trying to make sense out of a death bed confess....None of the newbies or the jumpers or researchers come to this thread anymore - who would blame them.

The FBI would love it - if the thread shut down.

What I would love to have is a set of disks with all the thread on it to reference regarding the useful postings and the research done.

I would think the DZ might be able to make a bundle off of such a product.

Perhaps one day the case will be solved using those disks...

If anyone want to continue if a productive manner - I am going to suggest ONE last suspect! I am not going to tell anyone why?

I will make a post with that information on it before I go to bed.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

1st name is Ernie Ford with FGA jobs.
Not sure what that is

2ed name is Taylor (last name, but all I have).

Both would have been Duane's age or perhaps older. Also could have been someone connected to one these two guys.

I will try to find Taylor's first name so give me a few days.

Both had connections to a woman named Mildred. I have SAT on this for many yrs.

Note I have NO idea what FGA is.

Since both were older than Duane, Cooper may have been a relative of one of these guys. At this point I cannot explain WHY I am suggesting these individuals and I have NO idea what either one of them looked like.

I still think Weber was Cooper, but I am boing to play this card or hunch and it is up to you guys to find the information.

One or both spent time in WA.
One or both were jumpers but do not know what kind.
One or both left their secret with Weber or Weber was Cooper...and a relationship was just co-incidental and convenient.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

"To Shutter45: By the way, there is a BIG difference between lying and making a mistake on something. One is a mistake, the other is a deliberate attempt at deception for a given purpose. So you can drop the 'liar' tag anytime. There's been more fluidity in investigating Cooper than a year's worth of flow on the Columbia. It ain't easy, sir. If it were, someone would have solved the case long ago."

Robert, as long as you provide false information on your site which is clearly wrong and admitted by you what else can you call it. several months ago you said you were "going to fix it" last week you claimed a password issue. it's deceptive when you allow something like that on your site. the original term I quoted will remain. perhaps a PDF is in order?

also, exactly when did you go into the attic at Kenny's home?
here is one quote you gave about the hinges on the countertop. I realize you no longer think hinges were on it, but that's not the importance of the quote.

"Make sure to note if they are righthand or lefthand
hinges. It matters.
Not a chance would I go near Bonney Lake to check this out. No one would believe my results anyway. If this is done, it needs to be done by an independent third party or someone from the local law enforcement community."

you kept calling the opening in the past to the attic "hexagonal & octagonal" shape? it's clearly round.you should know that if you were there? I don't understand the reason why you wouldn't go to Bonney Lake either. it wasn't till last year that you claim going up into the attic?

added photo...

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

  Quote

'Is Bruce also to blame for you being rejected by other people you tried to interview but were refused by ... and the WSHM who rejected your offer to serve as a "Celebrity Author" socalled expert in the Cooper case!

Blevins you are such a con artist. When are you going to stop pretending to be - important.'

I scrub floors for a living. Trust me, I'm not that important.

I never offered Washington State History Museum my services as a 'celebrity author,' either. Where do you get this stuff? Or do you just make it up off the top of your head?

We had some contact because they wanted to order copies of Blast for the Gift Shop. I directed them to Ingram. They established an account and ordered what they needed. I had no intention of being involved or speaking at the symposium. Especially over Thanksgiving weekend. My mother in law and other family members spent the week at my house.
And as it turns out, I think family was the better choice.

NEWS for both of you!

It did not make the News in DesMoines!

If Blevins and WSHM fall in a forest, do they make a sound?

[georger 258]

  skyjack71

1st name is Ernie Ford with FGA jobs.
Not sure what that is

2ed name is Taylor (last name, but all I have).

Both would have been Duane's age or perhaps older. Also could have been someone connected to one these two guys.

I will try to find Taylor's first name so give me a few days.

Both had connections to a woman named Mildred. I have SAT on this for many yrs.

Note I have NO idea what FGA is.

Since both were older than Duane, Cooper may have been a relative of one of these guys. At this point I cannot explain WHY I am suggesting these individuals and I have NO idea what either one of them looked like.

I still think Weber was Cooper, but I am boing to play this card or hunch and it is up to you guys to find the information.

One or both spent time in WA.
One or both were jumpers but do not know what kind.
One or both left their secret with Weber or Weber was Cooper...and a relationship was just co-incidental and convenient.

Jo of Weber4UbyJo@HOMES.com:

"Have you ever heard the saying - 'less is more'."

[smokin99 0]

I can't really address this right now because I'm not where I can look it up- I'll give you the height but I'm pretty sure mayfield was In his mid 30s in 71 - maybe 36. But I'll have to check. Could be thinking bout someone else. But I really wasn't advancing him as a suspect - just discussing candidates in general.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[georger 258]

  smokin99

I can't really address this right now because I'm not where I can look it up- I'll give you the height but I'm pretty sure mayfield was In his mid 30s in 71 - maybe 36. But I'll have to check. Could be thinking bout someone else. But I really wasn't advancing him as a suspect - just discussing candidates in general.

Check out the comments about Ted, here:
http://www.basejumper.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_editlog;post=2947929;guest=21547535

also -
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/may/19/man-sentenced-in-deaths-of-two-parachuters-former/

Ted was 59 the day he was sentenced in 1995, born 1936,
which makes him '35' in 1971.

There is a ton of material about Ted on the internet.

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

***"To Shutter45: By the way, ..... a lot of questions that regard him, either directly or indirectly...

Have snipped your BS.

You claim there was money in the hole.

You claimed this in 2010!

It is now Jan 2014!

Have you found a method for proving there was 'money in
the hole' ... in the last four years!

Why have you not found a method for proving there was money
in the hole?

How would a three year old approach this problemo you can't
solve?

Maybe you should turn to Tom Kaye and see what he
thinks!?

Play it again and again and again Sam. Time to call 'Bob'!

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

Georger: Your question, is there any way to prove there was money in that section of the attic? Answer: NO.

Think I've said that a few times already...

Really! You think so! ?

How TF do you know!?

Are you a FORENSICK EXPORT?

Time to call BOB!

would you like a french fry and a strawberry, and a hot dog...
to get you started and motivated ? do you need to talk to
momma? hello muddah - hello faddah - here I am at Camp
Grenada - tell my sistah I died Monday - and I'll tell her more
Next Friday

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

***Georger: Your question, is there any way to prove there was money in that section of the attic? Answer: NO.

Think I've said that a few times already...

Georger says in part:

  Quote

'Have snipped your BS.

You claim there was money in the hole.

You claimed this in 2010!'

Hogwash. I never said any such thing. Besides, it was the Decoded crew who first discovered the board/box assembly, not me. LOL don't you think they would have said something if they had found money in it?

Your quote is false about my saying there was money found. The reason is obvious, which I already stated above. Your images were ignored, along with your added comments.



You mean, in this shit, is the reason ? Where? What?
How about just stating it in 50 words or less? Or a solipsism?

Just remind us Blevins - what do you claim the attic secret box
was constructed for, to hold? That is germane to the DB Cooper
case and your client Lyle Christiensen. Condoms?

Well, the ring is round, the white part, the part you remove, the red part...I don't know, maybe square I think. This is moot. I didn't pay much attention to THAT. I was interested in seeing the board. No hinge on it. I have said that. I also said it is impossible to make any definite conclusions about it.

You have this old piece of countertop. It's white, it is NOT new. It's obviously a piece of scrap from an old countertop. It's been used. The wood is OLD.

Witness Helen Jones has testified that KC pulled his old countertops soon after moving into the Bonney Lake house and replaced them. A picture from 1992 shows Robin Powell standing in the kitchen in front of a set of white countertops. Due to the age of the board, which an expert told me was from the 60's or early 70's, the obvious conclusion is that the board shown in the pictures is from the installation that was IN PLACE when KC moved into the home. In other words, it is PROBABLY a piece of scrap from when he pulled the old countertops. And he replaced the old stuff with new countertops of a similar color. White.

But...even though I can establish the approximate age of the board, there is no telling for absolute certain who installed it. Maybe the scrap hung around the house for years and it was nailed in place in the attic after KC's death, for one reason or another. But unless you believe the original scrap from that countertop remodel stayed unused for decades, the obvious conclusion is also the simplest:

That KC cut the board from a piece of the scrap he pulled, cut two additional two-by's just long enough to fit between two joists, went up into the attic, nailed the two-bys in place, laid the old countertop piece on top of this to form a sort of box, and tapped in a couple of small nails into the corners.

The stains on the front and back sides of the board are from wood stain. I took a better look at them today. The wood stain seems to match the color of the kitchen cabinets in the picture of Robin Powell. Conclusion: KC probably refinished the cabinets at the same time he replaced the countertops, and some stain went onto the scrap piece while he was working in the kitchen. Later, he probably grabbed one of the bigger pieces of this scrap countertop and constructed the box in his attic. Why? No one knows. It was located just above what used to be his bedroom.

All the pictures were taken in my office this morning, except the one of Robin Powell, of course. For someone who thinks we should suspend KC discussions, (I am one of them, at least for now) you sure ask a lot of questions that regard him, either directly or indirectly...Wink

(Note: Some edits were made on the notations to the pictures. When I first took the photos early this morning, I went back and examined the staining again on the front and back side of the board. It's definitely from wood stain.)

[georger 258]

  mrshutter45

"I never read whatever was in the Manila envelope. Just glanced at it mostly. Gayla shredded it later."

Shutter what is your understanding of what Blevins is claiming the attic box was built for ?

To hold the Cooper money?

To hold photos of boys?

To hold Kenny's stamp and coin collection?

... what is Blevins claim w. respect to his secret attic box
thingy?

[georger 258]

  RobertMBlevins

Why should I bother providing any additional answers for you? The first thing you do is to lash out (again) with an obvious lie:

  Quote

'You claim there was money in the hole.

You claimed this in 2010!'

No I didn't. I don't know where you get this stuff. Rattling off junk like that shows only that you will grab any piece of BS that rolls off the top of your head, in an effort to discredit.

In reality, it just makes you look bad. That's an opinion. Hopefully, that response met your brevity requirements.

OK.

What are you claiming this attic hole box thing built from
counter top wood was for?