DB Cooper

[Robert99 55]

EVickiW

***Bruce wrote

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Many SOG troopers say that Ted Braden is Danny Boy. What say you?

As I recall, the Ramparts Magazine article picture of Ted Braden showed blue or blue-green eyes, not brown.

Brown contacts might have been used by Cooper but there is no evidence that this occurred.

Braden's history is fascinating. How the hell did he duck prosecution for desertion and get reinstated (and possibly even promoted) like it never happened? What card was he holding that caused intervention on his behalf by General John Singlaub?

Braden took careless risks in Vietnam and was criticized by his colleagues for unnecessarily putting them and the missions in danger. This trait could fit Cooper.

Braden also apparently knew how to travel internationally with fake ID.

The SOG guys who served with him have their reasons for suspecting Braden. It might be something intangible. They might see a signature, something about the crime that has Braden's particular touch.

Braden is dead now. Ended up as a truck driver. His last occupation has always struck me as odd given his background and apparent thirst for living on the edge. Maybe he was hauling contraband.

377

Cooper's eyes were seen by Florence for a few seconds when he looked over the top of his glasses. This is what I have heard before, here in the forum and in articles.

It also has been discussed in this forum that Cooper may have had amphetamines on his person.

Unfortunately, I do not have a source for these last two statements, but here is what I have always wondered. Eyes dilate for many different reasons. Alcohol and drug use (included prescriptions), mental strain, anxiety and stress, low lighting (behind sunglasses, low light in the cabin), etc. His eyes could have been dilated for these reasons alone, making any eye color seem dark, black or brown.

Should a suspect who matches other physical characteristics, such as; approximate age, height, weight, hair color and style of Cooper be dismissed alone on his eye color? The FBI wanted poster states his eyes were "possibly brown" (attached).

Resources explaining eye dilation:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eye-opener-why-do-pupils-dialate

http://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/symptoms/pupil

There is a statement in Tosaw's book to the effect that Cooper told Tina he had some pills that would keep the flight crew awake in the event they got sleepy.

I don't have a page number for that statement but it was during the time they were on the ground in Seattle if I remember correctly.

Robert99

[georger 259]

Robert99

******Bruce wrote

Quote

Many SOG troopers say that Ted Braden is Danny Boy. What say you?

As I recall, the Ramparts Magazine article picture of Ted Braden showed blue or blue-green eyes, not brown.

Brown contacts might have been used by Cooper but there is no evidence that this occurred.

Braden's history is fascinating. How the hell did he duck prosecution for desertion and get reinstated (and possibly even promoted) like it never happened? What card was he holding that caused intervention on his behalf by General John Singlaub?

Braden took careless risks in Vietnam and was criticized by his colleagues for unnecessarily putting them and the missions in danger. This trait could fit Cooper.

Braden also apparently knew how to travel internationally with fake ID.

The SOG guys who served with him have their reasons for suspecting Braden. It might be something intangible. They might see a signature, something about the crime that has Braden's particular touch.

Braden is dead now. Ended up as a truck driver. His last occupation has always struck me as odd given his background and apparent thirst for living on the edge. Maybe he was hauling contraband.

377

Cooper's eyes were seen by Florence for a few seconds when he looked over the top of his glasses. This is what I have heard before, here in the forum and in articles.

It also has been discussed in this forum that Cooper may have had amphetamines on his person.

Unfortunately, I do not have a source for these last two statements, but here is what I have always wondered. Eyes dilate for many different reasons. Alcohol and drug use (included prescriptions), mental strain, anxiety and stress, low lighting (behind sunglasses, low light in the cabin), etc. His eyes could have been dilated for these reasons alone, making any eye color seem dark, black or brown.

Should a suspect who matches other physical characteristics, such as; approximate age, height, weight, hair color and style of Cooper be dismissed alone on his eye color? The FBI wanted poster states his eyes were "possibly brown" (attached).

Resources explaining eye dilation:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eye-opener-why-do-pupils-dialate

http://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/symptoms/pupil

There is a statement in Tosaw's book to the effect that Cooper told Tina he had some pills that would keep the flight crew awake in the event they got sleepy.

I don't have a page number for that statement but it was during the time they were on the ground in Seattle if I remember correctly.

Robert99

Which might be interesting in light of the fact 'the crew' might
have had 'their own pharmacy' on board!

Did Cooper seriously think any of the crew were going to take
'his pills', whatever they were?

Cooper seems a little naive and obtuse on this point, he
brought up so willing. If Tina had been a little smarter she could
have taken one of his pills and saved it ... to determine its
composition and possible origin. I would have asked the guy:
'what else have you got? Any Tijuana Gold'?

Drinks, smokes, take drugs.

Is gay!

Rides 4 Clydesdales abreast.

[mrshutter45 21]

RobertMBlevins

******['Nothing more on Kenny publicly. NOTHING. We wait until the Cooperland ms is ready for release and anything we have to say on him will be said THEN. And we will verify anything said with documented proof of same...'

Robert, I'm sorry. This just sounds bad. It's like watching Ron Ziegler or other press spokesman claiming he can't answer questions because of some contrived policy.

If someone else made a statement like that on here, you'd be all over them, and rightfully so.

All you're doing is creating the impression in others that you don't really want the facts on Kenny to come out.

As I said, some mistakes were made on this little KC journey. But not necessarily ones that either prove or disprove his suspect status. There were errors. So until we get it all straightened out, and come to a fully accurate picture on everything we can, I just don't wish to release anything else we may have discovered. Come on...none of you believe he was the guy anyway, so what is the big deal? You all wrote him off long ago, correct?



what matters is what you are flooding the public with. inaccurate data that needs removed! it affects judgement!
yes it does necessarily prove or disprove. it's called validation to a statement. something you seem to be slowly learning.

like when you think someone looked at a chute for 10 seconds and left.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 259]

RobertMBlevins

******['Nothing more on Kenny publicly. NOTHING. We wait until the Cooperland ms is ready for release and anything we have to say on him will be said THEN. And we will verify anything said with documented proof of same...'

Robert, I'm sorry. This just sounds bad. It's like watching Ron Ziegler or other press spokesman claiming he can't answer questions because of some contrived policy.

If someone else made a statement like that on here, you'd be all over them, and rightfully so.

All you're doing is creating the impression in others that you don't really want the facts on Kenny to come out.

As I said, some mistakes were made on this little KC journey. But not necessarily ones that either prove or disprove his suspect status. There were errors. So until we get it all straightened out, and come to a fully accurate picture on everything we can, I just don't wish to release anything else we may have discovered. Come on...none of you believe he was the guy anyway, so what is the big deal? You all wrote him off long ago, correct?

why?

[MarkBennett 5]

RobertMBlevins

******['Nothing more on Kenny publicly. NOTHING. We wait until the Cooperland ms is ready for release and anything we have to say on him will be said THEN. And we will verify anything said with documented proof of same...'

Robert, I'm sorry. This just sounds bad. It's like watching Ron Ziegler or other press spokesman claiming he can't answer questions because of some contrived policy.

If someone else made a statement like that on here, you'd be all over them, and rightfully so.

All you're doing is creating the impression in others that you don't really want the facts on Kenny to come out.

As I said, some mistakes were made on this little KC journey. But not necessarily ones that either prove or disprove his suspect status. There were errors. So until we get it all straightened out, and come to a fully accurate picture on everything we can, I just don't wish to release anything else we may have discovered. Come on...none of you believe he was the guy anyway, so what is the big deal? You all wrote him off long ago, correct?

Robert,
I don't have a preferred suspect (except maybe Christopher Walken) and I would say I have my doubts about all of the named suspects. This is not a legal proceding, it's just a discussion forum. You can say what you know, say what you think, but can't verify and say what you're looking into. Mr. Shutter has been looking into property records and is reporting what he finds.

Robert, sometimes you attract some venom on this forum because you come off as a bit of a know-it-all, but you certainly have a right to post and defend your comments. And, Mr. Shutter is doing exactly what you asked for. He is doing some investigation into Kenny Christiansen.

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georger

*********Bruce wrote

Quote

Many SOG troopers say that Ted Braden is Danny Boy. What say you?

As I recall, the Ramparts Magazine article picture of Ted Braden showed blue or blue-green eyes, not brown.

Brown contacts might have been used by Cooper but there is no evidence that this occurred.

Braden's history is fascinating. How the hell did he duck prosecution for desertion and get reinstated (and possibly even promoted) like it never happened? What card was he holding that caused intervention on his behalf by General John Singlaub?

Braden took careless risks in Vietnam and was criticized by his colleagues for unnecessarily putting them and the missions in danger. This trait could fit Cooper.

Braden also apparently knew how to travel internationally with fake ID.

The SOG guys who served with him have their reasons for suspecting Braden. It might be something intangible. They might see a signature, something about the crime that has Braden's particular touch.

Braden is dead now. Ended up as a truck driver. His last occupation has always struck me as odd given his background and apparent thirst for living on the edge. Maybe he was hauling contraband.

377

Cooper's eyes were seen by Florence for a few seconds when he looked over the top of his glasses. This is what I have heard before, here in the forum and in articles.

It also has been discussed in this forum that Cooper may have had amphetamines on his person.

Unfortunately, I do not have a source for these last two statements, but here is what I have always wondered. Eyes dilate for many different reasons. Alcohol and drug use (included prescriptions), mental strain, anxiety and stress, low lighting (behind sunglasses, low light in the cabin), etc. His eyes could have been dilated for these reasons alone, making any eye color seem dark, black or brown.

Should a suspect who matches other physical characteristics, such as; approximate age, height, weight, hair color and style of Cooper be dismissed alone on his eye color? The FBI wanted poster states his eyes were "possibly brown" (attached).

Resources explaining eye dilation:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eye-opener-why-do-pupils-dialate

http://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/symptoms/pupil

There is a statement in Tosaw's book to the effect that Cooper told Tina he had some pills that would keep the flight crew awake in the event they got sleepy.

I don't have a page number for that statement but it was during the time they were on the ground in Seattle if I remember correctly.

Robert99

Which might be interesting in light of the fact 'the crew' might
have had 'their own pharmacy' on board!

Did Cooper seriously think any of the crew were going to take
'his pills', whatever they were?

Cooper seems a little naive and obtuse on this point, he
brought up so willing. If Tina had been a little smarter she could
have taken one of his pills and saved it ... to determine its
composition and possible origin. I would have asked the guy:
'what else have you got? Any Tijuana Gold'?

Drinks, smokes, take drugs.

Is gay!

Rides 4 Clydesdales abreast.



The "pills" story is curious if it is true. MAC SOG jumpers reportedly carried amphetamine type pills (Benzadrine) to ward off fatigue and stay awake.

The pills story doesnt make a lot of sense. Cooper was, in my opinion, planning a quick exit once airborne, long before crew fatigue would have become a problem. He wasn't planning a multi leg trip to Cuba.

He might have needed a Bennie boost to make his egress from the landing area before sunrise.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

What ever happened to Dan Cryder? He was gonna solve the case for us. He is famous in DC 3 circles, owning and flying a very nice example.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 259]

377

************Bruce wrote

Quote

Many SOG troopers say that Ted Braden is Danny Boy. What say you?

As I recall, the Ramparts Magazine article picture of Ted Braden showed blue or blue-green eyes, not brown.

Brown contacts might have been used by Cooper but there is no evidence that this occurred.

Braden's history is fascinating. How the hell did he duck prosecution for desertion and get reinstated (and possibly even promoted) like it never happened? What card was he holding that caused intervention on his behalf by General John Singlaub?

Braden took careless risks in Vietnam and was criticized by his colleagues for unnecessarily putting them and the missions in danger. This trait could fit Cooper.

Braden also apparently knew how to travel internationally with fake ID.

The SOG guys who served with him have their reasons for suspecting Braden. It might be something intangible. They might see a signature, something about the crime that has Braden's particular touch.

Braden is dead now. Ended up as a truck driver. His last occupation has always struck me as odd given his background and apparent thirst for living on the edge. Maybe he was hauling contraband.

377

Cooper's eyes were seen by Florence for a few seconds when he looked over the top of his glasses. This is what I have heard before, here in the forum and in articles.

It also has been discussed in this forum that Cooper may have had amphetamines on his person.

Unfortunately, I do not have a source for these last two statements, but here is what I have always wondered. Eyes dilate for many different reasons. Alcohol and drug use (included prescriptions), mental strain, anxiety and stress, low lighting (behind sunglasses, low light in the cabin), etc. His eyes could have been dilated for these reasons alone, making any eye color seem dark, black or brown.

Should a suspect who matches other physical characteristics, such as; approximate age, height, weight, hair color and style of Cooper be dismissed alone on his eye color? The FBI wanted poster states his eyes were "possibly brown" (attached).

Resources explaining eye dilation:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eye-opener-why-do-pupils-dialate

http://www.calmclinic.com/anxiety/symptoms/pupil

There is a statement in Tosaw's book to the effect that Cooper told Tina he had some pills that would keep the flight crew awake in the event they got sleepy.

I don't have a page number for that statement but it was during the time they were on the ground in Seattle if I remember correctly.

Robert99

Which might be interesting in light of the fact 'the crew' might
have had 'their own pharmacy' on board!

Did Cooper seriously think any of the crew were going to take
'his pills', whatever they were?

Cooper seems a little naive and obtuse on this point, he
brought up so willing. If Tina had been a little smarter she could
have taken one of his pills and saved it ... to determine its
composition and possible origin. I would have asked the guy:
'what else have you got? Any Tijuana Gold'?

Drinks, smokes, take drugs.

Is gay!

Rides 4 Clydesdales abreast.



The "pills" story is curious if it is true. MAC SOG jumpers reportedly carried amphetamine type pills (Benzadrine) to ward off fatigue and stay awake.

The pills story doesnt make a lot of sense. Cooper was, in my opinion, planning a quick exit once airborne, long before crew fatigue would have become a problem. He wasn't planning a multi leg trip to Cuba.

He might have needed a Bennie boost to make his egress from the landing area before sunrise.

377

I agree completely. It's a little obtuse. Maybe he was just nervous and making idle remarks. 'I have hair on my arm'!

Smokes, drinks, a few bennies ... 'wanna see a picture of Mom?'

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Georger wrote

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Smokes, drinks, a few bennies ...

When did you attend UC Berkeley G? That dialogue is from around 1968.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Robert99 55]

377,

In the early 1960s, the Parachute Club of America was involved, apparently in connection with a group of psychologists, in a study of the psychological make-up of skydivers.

Based on what I saw, the PCA was very interested in that study and encouraged its members to cooperate. I participated in that study by filling out a lengthy and detailed booklet that the PCA sent me.

However, I never saw the results of the study being discussed anywhere. Presumably, the study would have been published in a professional journal and I would have expected something to be written about the results in the PCA magazine. But I never saw a single thing or heard of the study again.

Do you know if the results of the study were published and, if so, can a copy of them be obtained at this late date.

I just want to check to make sure that my initial impressions of skydivers were correct.

Robert99

[georger 259]

377

Georger wrote

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Smokes, drinks, a few bennies ...

When did you attend UC Berkeley G? That dialogue is from around 1968.

377

USC - Stanford

Was in that Stanford marching band!

[377 22]

Georger wrote

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Was in that Stanford marching band

THAT explains everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Band#Controversial_actions_by_the_band

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377

******Snowmman informs me that a DUI record for Braden in 2003 shows:

Braden, Ted B.
DOB: 1928/09/24
Sex: Male
Hgt: 5' 08"
Wgt: 165
Eye: Hazel
Hair: Gray or Partially Gray
Social Security: xxx-xx-4946

Hazel eyes. Hmmm..

377

Yup. But Ted has the smirk. In spades.

Corrected my earlier post. Teds DUI arrest was 2002 not 2003.



DUH! 5' 8'' that makes him a 1/2inch taller than I was in 1971.

Hazel Eyes!

You guys are fishing off the same dock Belvins is fishing off of!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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georger

***I hate to point out the obvious here...but the main thing on Weber is where-he-was on-or-about 11/24/1971. Not what he did in an unsuccessful, short-term, Army/Navy career.

I'm not trying to be harsh here. But let's face facts. I can actually PROVE that Kenneth Peter Christiansen was one of around 80 or so guys in a 280-man training unit for paratroopers...guys who jumped at night, over water sometimes, in the most intense paratrooper training ever done during WW2. (Because an invasion of Japan at that time seemed VERY likely) And he passed.

And yet, that fact does not prove Kenneth Peter Christiansen was actually DB Cooper.

So I'm not seeing the point of this whole discussion. What's needed here for Weber is something a bit more up to date than what he was doing twenty-five years or so BEFORE the hijacking, unless it directly relates to the hijacking itself. And I am not seeing that at all.

why?

He is NEVER going to GET it!
It is deliberate - he has to keep KC alive or he dies a slow death but the book is already a dead end to anyone who is familiar with the subject - Cooper!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

wonder if our boy seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7D6F8Awbek

nice tribute here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTftPVbH-Q

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BruceSmith 3]

377

Georger wrote

Quote

Was in that Stanford marching band

THAT explains everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Band#Controversial_actions_by_the_band

377

YIKES! That band is wild!!!

[skyjack71 0]

Had to buy a new MOUSE today. My old mouse went by the wayside....this new wireless is getting best out of my old fingers and my joints. Still have the old pad thing so maybe I need a new one that is easier to slide on. Using the top of the desk I am flying all over the place.

Just too OLD for all of these new gadgets.

We have explored many things about the skyjacking but we have done little about WHY he chose the things he chose.

1. N.W Airlines?

JO: I think he was familiar with them and had worked on the planes in some capacity such as a Catering Service, Cleaning service & maintenance maybe even service the Oxygen tanks.

2. The WA area?

JO: Weber had a history in WA with people, forestry, prisons and a personal relationship with some one who lived there.

3. Why he chose NOV 24 - Thaimportant to him such as his birthdate nkgiving eve.

JO: The death of someone close to him or a date that was very - I think some how the 24th was symbolic and remember Thankgiving didn't fall on that day every yr.


4. The Grudge thing was just a reply to some thing Tina asked - but what was his reason for skyjacking a plane?

JO: Yrs spent in prison and it started in WA - and probably the best yrs of his life.

5. Did Cooper just throw a dart at a map?

JO: I do NOT believe WA was just a random selections. He knew happiness there and perhaps that is where he wanted to die. Plus he had just had the polycystic kidney disease comfirmed the yr before in GA.


6. That particular plane - this was evident as he verified the type of plane when he bought the ticket.

JO: The family connections to the plane - none of which anyone has acknowledged. His brother and his Uncle were involved with Boeing and the 727 - only the builders, designers and others can comfirm this, but no one seemed to want to advance this subject. Then or now! How do we find the records. His brother was living inWA at that time and working with Boeing. Old friends of the family lived in WA and worked with and for Boeing.


7. Cooper had to have known the area.

JO: He was imprisoned there and he stayed in the area in the 40 and then back to the area in the 50's and his wife had connections to WA
.
8. Cooper held back as last to board, like he was afraid of being I.D.ed.

JO: definitely was afraid someone might remember him.

9. He had knowledge of the plane - how?

JO: YES per answers to the above questions. His brother who knew Gilliam were intimately involved with Boeing.

10. What drove him to choose that plane, Wa and that particular flight.

JO: ALL of the above, plus it was a place he felt good about - it was a place he had fond memories of and it was his choice to die there if that was his intention...Knowledge of the area and perhaps Thankgiving because he had NO Family to turn to and the desparation of his situtation - pehaps he blamed his mother whose best friedn lived in WA. The friend who was indirectly responsible for his family moving to CA. It was a place of HAPPY MEMORIES! It was the place people reach out to help him...and a place he fell in love with. The look on his face when we there in 1979 was one of fond memories and not just of the skyjacking - he was reliving his prior past there.

Just my two Cents worth.

A. Try to find anyone who remembers his Mother - Loraine Beechler Weber with also Wenz.

B. Who was Phil Harris - he was a jumper and that is all I know. He was Duane's age?

C. Who was Pennington - also a jumper who was Duane's age?

D. Who was Ed Huran? A man who had a past with WA, but that is probably not his real name...40's/50's/60's Not before and not later.

F. What was Duane's connections to Puyallup?

G. What was Duane's connections to Spokane and Coure d Alene?

H. Duane had 2 son-in-laws in WA in the late 60's/early 70's - one at McChord.

J. Duane knew every tower and every creek, Power line, Dams and the Microwave towers and bodies of water and cemetaries and gravel pitts. He didn't use a map in 1979.

K. What was so fascinating about a place behind the Seattle Airport that used to be an old hotel...two stories high and in 1979 had been converted to office building?

L. Who did he know at the Shnomisk Airstrip just north of Seattle?

J. Who did he fly with up and down the coast line on trips to Alaska and what kind of experiments was he talking about? Something about he made a mistake with a knot in a rope.

k. How did he know were all of the camps were?

L. How and why was he so familiar with The Dalles, Goldendale, Vancouver, Woodlands (a place all the guys used to eat).

M. An area over on the Beach - a park they worked on and stayed at.

N. Every high place and every tower - and he spewed off the name like he had been there for every.

M. ALL of the power lines and Pipelines/

N. Bar - Dollars Corner, inside the Washougal loop and Orchards.

O. Every small airport & strip and every tower.

K. A house off of LaCames Lake and the name of the boys.

L. The caretaker at the Ledbetter home.

M. The rails and the rail cars

N. Battleground Lake and ever kind of Tower.

O. Camps and fishing cottages.

P. How the power was controled for the DAMs.

Q. He told me all about the dams and how they were built and the channels.

R. The boys at Beacon Rock and the Washougal and the beach.

S. That a certain musician gave his firs live performance in The Dalles.

T. The boys who picked apples and worked the CC's at Mt. Hood.

U. The small airports in WA and Oregon...the small town near Redmond called Prineville the boys used to eat at.

V. The moving of heavy equiptment near or on an Indian Reservation in Yakima.

W. Every Indian reservation in Or and Wa.

X. Specific places in WA - the house on the river across from the PDX - Topper Dr, Lieser Point or Image Lane - the old house would ahve been on one of the roads on the Columbia river prior to 1979 as there was NO home there in 1979.

Y. Find who owned homes on those roads in 1971 that was NOT there in 1979 and you will find the roots of Cooper...or perhaps a glimps of who he was.

Z. Find out how Weber knew the locations of the airstips and how he knew the owners and how he knew were very ficking tower was.
Who was the WE who used to fly in and out of there...multiple airstrips.

Find the answers to these and you will have NO doubt who Cooper was.
In the past I have name names in connection to the airstrips but My mind will no longer let me continue to hold on to these memories.

I am tired! I need for all of the HYPE to stop and for the FBI or some historian to provide me with the answers to all of these things.

Who was Duane L. Weber,
John C. Collins and other multiple names - this guy did NOT obtain the knowledge he had of WA in a few months of incarcerations in the system.

Remember I was telling about the woman who rode horses before BLEVINS ever told his story and why I HAVE begged to be able to contact her - but BLEVINS will not allow that or for me to talk to someone who knew her - so she could see a picture of Weber from the day. He is waiting until she is dead and senile and probably is already. I do not need to talk to her, but she needs to see the early pictures of Weber and hear the story he told about her - then let her say if she remembers him.

If I added all the other things Weber told me - about people and the area - it would be repetitious and I am VERY tired. Some one like Blevins could actually have stumbled upon the connections of Weber to WA - but his all inself and for gain - doesn't care about the people - that has been shown by his continued references to them,

I am SICK and SICK of all of the continued - Oh it will pass and NO explanations of HOW and when Weber could have had such vast knowledge of the area. Even I did NOT realize how much and how much territory his stories covered until I went out in 2010. BUT it is all there and the secret lies within the historians, the forestry, the prisons system and anyone with a story to tell of the days - to for one time BAN together and LET'S GET THIS DAMN SHOW ON THE ROAD ONE LAST TIME! Present the things I have told and ALL pictures to the public in WA. with NO BIAS nor trying to connect anyone person to the skyjacking - ASK WASHINGTON to finally ban to gether and seach the old family albums and talk to those that are still alilve.

EVEN I know it is too late, but 17 yrs ago it was NOT too LATE! THERE were individuals still alive, but I had NO way of reaching them and having them hear the story in its entirety. Margie Bouled did what she could - but, I didn't have the information I finally accumulated in 2010...now I can't finish this project, I just have to hope for the best & that someone will have is holding the key to open the doors and secrets of the the past.

This needs to be over with and not in 2025 - It needs to be over with now - this yr 2014...as early in the yr as possible.

I need for it to be over - I need for the FBI to finally be accountable and for anyone out there with holding information to be accountable....Who Dan Cooper was has NEVER been a REAL secret.
All it has ever taken was a joint effort with the people, the authorities and the media - to have solve this case YRS ago.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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skyjack71

Had to buy a new MOUSE today. My old mouse went by the wayside....this new wireless is getting best out of my old fingers and my joints. Still have the old pad thing so maybe I need a new one that is easier to slide on. Using the top of the desk I am flying all over the place.

Just too OLD for all of these new gadgets.

We have explored many things about the skyjacking but we have done little about WHY he chose the things he chose.
1. N.W Airlines?

JO: I think he was familiar with them and had worked on the planes in some capacity such as a Catering Service, Cleaning service & maintenance maybe even service the Oxygen tanks.

2. The WA area?

JO: Weber had a history in WA with people, forestry, prisons and a personal relationship with some one who lived there.

3. Why he chose NOV 24 - Thaimportant to him such as his birthdate nkgiving eve.

JO: The death of someone close to him or a date that was very - I think some how the 24th was symbolic and remember Thankgiving didn't fall on that day every yr.


4. The Grudge thing was just a reply to some thing Tina asked - but what was his reason for skyjacking a plane?

JO: Yrs spent in prison and it started in WA - and probably the best yrs of his life.

5. Did Cooper just throw a dart at a map?

JO: I do NOT believe WA was just a random selections. He knew happiness there and perhaps that is where he wanted to die. Plus he had just had the polycystic kidney disease comfirmed the yr before in GA.


6. That particular plane - this was evident as he verified the type of plane when he bought the ticket.

JO: The family connections to the plane - none of which anyone has acknowledged. His brother and his Uncle were involved with Boeing and the 727 - only the builders, designers and others can comfirm this, but no one seemed to want to advance this subject. Then or now! How do we find the records. His brother was living inWA at that time and working with Boeing. Old friends of the family lived in WA and worked with and for Boeing.


7. Cooper had to have known the area.

JO: He was imprisoned there and he stayed in the area in the 40 and then back to the area in the 50's and his wife had connections to WA
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8. Cooper held back as last to board, like he was afraid of being I.D.ed.

JO: definitely was afraid someone might remember him.

9. He had knowledge of the plane - how?

JO: YES per answers to the above questions. His brother who knew Gilliam were intimately involved with Boeing.

10. What drove him to choose that plane, Wa and that particular flight.

JO: ALL of the above, plus it was a place he felt good about - it was a place he had fond memories of and it was his choice to die there if that was his intention...Knowledge of the area and perhaps Thankgiving because he had NO Family to turn to and the desparation of his situtation - pehaps he blamed his mother whose best friedn lived in WA. The friend who was indirectly responsible for his family moving to CA. It was a place of HAPPY MEMORIES! It was the place people reach out to help him...and a place he fell in love with. The look on his face when we there in 1979 was one of fond memories and not just of the skyjacking - he was reliving his prior past there.

Just my two Cents worth.

A. Try to find anyone who remembers his Mother - Loraine Beechler Weber with also Wenz.

B. Who was Phil Harris - he was a jumper and that is all I know. He was Duane's age?

C. Who was Pennington - also a jumper who was Duane's age?

D. Who was Ed Huran? A man who had a past with WA, but that is probably not his real name...40's/50's/60's Not before and not later.

F. What was Duane's connections to Puyallup?

G. What was Duane's connections to Spokane and Coure d Alene?

H. Duane had 2 son-in-laws in WA in the late 60's/early 70's - one at McChord.

J. Duane knew every tower and every creek, Power line, Dams and the Microwave towers and bodies of water and cemetaries and gravel pitts. He didn't use a map in 1979.

K. What was so fascinating about a place behind the Seattle Airport that used to be an old hotel...two stories high and in 1979 had been converted to office building?

L. Who did he know at the Shnomisk Airstrip just north of Seattle?

J. Who did he fly with up and down the coast line on trips to Alaska and what kind of experiments was he talking about? Something about he made a mistake with a knot in a rope.

k. How did he know were all of the camps were?

L. How and why was he so familiar with The Dalles, Goldendale, Vancouver, Woodlands (a place all the guys used to eat).

M. An area over on the Beach - a park they worked on and stayed at.

N. Every high place and every tower - and he spewed off the name like he had been there for every.

M. ALL of the power lines and Pipelines/

N. Bar - Dollars Corner, inside the Washougal loop and Orchards.

O. Every small airport & strip and every tower.

K. A house off of LaCames Lake and the name of the boys.

L. The caretaker at the Ledbetter home.

M. The rails and the rail cars

N. Battleground Lake and ever kind of Tower.

O. Camps and fishing cottages.

P. How the power was controled for the DAMs.

Q. He told me all about the dams and how they were built and the channels.

R. The boys at Beacon Rock and the Washougal and the beach.

S. That a certain musician gave his firs live performance in The Dalles.

T. The boys who picked apples and worked the CC's at Mt. Hood.

U. The small airports in WA and Oregon...the place the boys used to eat at - in a town near.

Of course, I have no answers for you, Mrs Cooper, and I truly doubt that you desire any from those of us here at the DZ. Nevertheless, I would love to hear more about your dreams and what comes up when you sprinkle oatmeal flakes.

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YOU could NOT even WAIT until it was finished - YOU above everyone else know I compose my post on line - not some where else and the put them here...WHY don't you delete your post and then copy my post in its ENTIRETY.

You are one of the VULTURES who feeds off of COOPER. Delete your post and then say whatever you wanted to say - you are the worse of the worse....You harm people - you don't care what or who you hurt - whatever is in your path you will make a mockery of and belittle other to make yourself known!

Such as the remark you made regarding Tina Mucklow and her family.! I can't get to WA again and I can do NO more than I have done. YOU use people and you hurt people to obtain our own purpose of success....those who trample and hurt others for personal gain are the one who will be DAMNED!


If you had directed your talent in the right direction rather and using people and making sick statements and inserting the "unknown" you could have been a great writer - but you chose to be obtuse and to use people and go in direction - that is not realistic and you belittle people. YOU are doing to me what you did to TINA. The Devil works thru your writings and you cause damage to others they can never over come.

YOU know you can get away with it and YOU don't care who you hurt to obtain your goals....that makes you a GHOUL of the worse kind.

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BruceSmith

***Georger wrote

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Was in that Stanford marching band

THAT explains everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Band#Controversial_actions_by_the_band

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YIKES! That band is wild!!!

A bunch of great people _ superb musicians etc.
Lots of fun.

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mrshutter45

wonder if our boy seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7D6F8Awbek

nice tribute here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTftPVbH-Q

Very nice vids ... thanks! It takes good people.

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BruceSmith

Of course, I have no answers for you, Mrs Cooper, and I truly doubt that you desire any from those of us here at the DZ. Nevertheless, I would love to hear more about your dreams and what comes up when you sprinkle oatmeal flakes.

Jo, did you do the oatmeal tests but substituting Fiber One and Wheaties as requested?

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377

Georger wrote

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Was in that Stanford marching band

THAT explains everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Band#Controversial_actions_by_the_band

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I thought you would like that. Glad Bruce is TUNED in!
Some of the best days of my life! Don't let the antics
under-estimate the muscianship. The bands have always had
'tight rules'! It's not a bunch of crazy people .... far from it.

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RobertMBlevins

Do you think investigating the entire life and transactions of a guy who kept a lot of secrets and whom few people actually knew or understood is EASY? If it were, we would not have made the mistakes we did along the way. It got to a point where I had a meeting with AB staff and I said this:

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'Nothing more on Kenny publicly. NOTHING. We wait until the Cooperland ms is ready for release and anything we have to say on him will be said THEN. And we will verify anything said with documented proof of same...'

ROBERT - U have NO SAY! U have an excuse for your excuses. KC was NOT Cooper and you know that!

Please OFFER no opinions about Weber or the story I have told - at least my story is first hand - I knew the man and I lived with him for over 17 yrs and I have investigated him for 18 yrs. KC is easy to trace - Weber is the one with the elusive past - and YOU are making recommendation to the thread and to me - EXCUSE ME!
Go GET yourself a life of your own!

Kenney CHristainsen WAS NOT Cooper and his history is not one that even lends itself to his having been Cooper. You took the life of a pretty decent guy and made yourself a laughing stock and YOU continue even though there IS not one thing in the past of KC that even hints he was a devious person.

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BruceSmith

If I had to make a bet I would place my money on a SOG guy, but more elite and more specialized, like Super-SOG. Maybe someone like a member of a Bright Light team that went into North Vietnam to extract downed pilots. Such a fellow might also be familiar with the 727s being used in that theater to insert CIA combat teams and supplies.

No wonder you are broke & walk over the obvious forgetting to look down. Those trigger wires are very elusive.
Boom!

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