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[mrshutter45 21]

skyjack71

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I have reviewed and talked to people about how the money could move. one of them is not in a container you have said to be a large as a gallon of ice creme.

I NEVER EVER said the sack held anything of size. I described the bag like one they put ice cream in at a convenience store yrs ago. It was NOT a large bag - lunch size - Lunch size 1969's not today. I NEVER said it held anything of size - it was folded over at the top and not flimsy like bags today - so I compared it to an ice cream bag.
Maybe 8 x4 at the base and perhaps 10 inches tall 2/3 of it was folded over at the top.,,,firmly!

Sorry again Jo. just doing what you always tell people. "read the thread" see photo. sorry.
I'm also amazed how you remember something so irrelevant over a decade later "firmly"

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

I thought you might be interested in this post made by ckret Nov 29, 2007...

The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know.


this part does not include testxyz. it appears Jo has removed a large portion of her comments on this page including the one were she accuses me of being on drugs. I have that portion written in my post, but, not in quotations. Sep 11, 2013, 6:58 PM Post #46833 of 46839 (288 views)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I thought you might be interested in this post made by ckret Nov 29, 2007...

The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know.

Good Find Shutter! The Nov. 29, 2007 is consistent with the quote given by Ckret on April 1, 2008.... about 4 months later.

An FBI agent quoted in the Feb. 13, 1980 Oregonian article also said the Bundles were random.

Both of Ckrets statements, and the Feb. 13, 1980 FBI agent statement are consistent. The three statements are not consistent with what Tom Kaye posted from the FBI archives. (Each bundle had 2000 dollars)

What's really odd. The Tena bar money find seem to more inline with what Tom pulled from the FBI archives and what Geoffery Gray wrote in his book "Skyjack" (Each Bundle was 2000 dollars, not random amounts) 3 Bundles found, $5800 identifiable dollars.

Also, 3 bundles worth (6000 dollars) (300 SN's) found on each page of the FBI list of bills printed in the newspapers in 1976. 3 bundles later
found at Tena Bar in 1980.

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Ckret Apr 1, 2008, 7:59 PM

It is my understanding the money was wraped in rubber bands, no paper bands. the money was put together in different bill counts so it looked as if it was put together in a hurry.

[mrshutter45 21]

I'm still confused. Georger says there never was a true amount given ( hope that is right) then we have Brian finding $3000 according to a newspaper. we have accounts of the bills with rubber bands intact, but, crumbled when touched. (none got out) then years later 35 additional serial numbers were found.

if you can find the actual amount of bills Brian had. you can figure out how much money was there. if he split the money with the Insurance company and the FBI has 14 bills, you should be able to come very close to the real amount.

this pic only shows the FBI having 10 bills. not sure how many they really have.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[testxyz 0]

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this pic only shows the FBI having 10 bills. not sure how many they really have.

The Computer Graphics people for the documentary "The Skyjacker that got away" must have had good access to all the Cooper Material.

Check out the CG rendering of the Carr picture Cooper money folder. Attached picture.

"The Skyjacker that got away" link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2I755lTZmU

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You can look at fricking arials all you want - I know what was there in 1st 2wk of Sept 1979 and in 2001. You could access the beach from a gate to the water from a parking area under some trees. The gate and the parking lot were closer to the road and the house was closer to the river and on my right. Since you have PROBABLY NEVER EVER BEEN THERE - WHY DON'T YOU SIT THIS PART OUT.

Need to correct this before "someone" decides this is a fact. FACT : It was presumed that Weber and Jo were in WASHINGTON state the LAST wk of Sept 1979 because it co-incides with the time frame Englebert was performing in Tahoe and the outfit she wore in pictures made in Salt Lake on the first day of the Sentimental journey.

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PROVE YOU PERSONALLY WENT TO TENA'S BAR IN 1971, 1979, 2001 AND 2010 THEN YOU CAN HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS. USING PICTURES OR ARIALS THAT JUST MIGHT NOT HAVE THE RIGHT DATE IS NOT A GOOD THING. THE ARIELS USED COULD HAVE BEEN EARLIER THAN THE COMPILATION OF THE MAP.

As for the above statement - I stand FIRM on that.

I can prove I was in WA in 1979 - just find the records for a company known as Family Life Insurance Company whose home office was in Seattle, WA.
There was a managers meeting in Seattle at the specific time I gave. TheH.O. in Seattle is now I believe defunct and the company no longer exists - I do not know and have not looked it up. BUT, surely some person who was a manager with Family Life kept and took pics. I do not the names of those in attendance at that Managers Meeting...but surely some of them are still around.

The old reciepts and things like that are long since gone. I have the TAX report and the check stub for an award Duane recieved, but it has NO date. 1979 and multiple moves and getting remarried - one does not carry every little thing. A pack RAT I am NOT.

2001 and 2010 are easy, but since there are individuals still alive who were with me and some of that was filmed - NO NEED for me to bow to the DEMANDS of one of our posters.

When someone makes claims that insinuate I am lieing they need to present pictured data of themselves in those same areas...and or stamped and dated pictures of those area taken by the individuals who LIVED there. The Fazio's have lots of those!

Memory can be flawed, but NOT to the point I would lie about a specific thing.
I had seen these ariels and had noted what seems to be buildings not there in 1979. I don't like arials because the are deceptive. What might appear as a building could be a temporary shed or large tent for a family reunion! I have A REAL hard time with ARIELS. My memory was from the GROUND! Show me dated ground photos taken at Tena's bar over the last 41 yrs

My only post for the day - so please if you have something to say - do NOT attack me or call me a liar! Post pictures I can download and NO arials.
Show me dated pictures of the Fazion property - in fact block out the date to send to me in a PM. I will more than likely be able to mark them - pre-skyjack, post skyjack, pre 1979 or what ever designation they deserver.

The problem here and the lack of visual evidence is a PROBLEM for me.
GET the pictures and then I will talk.
There are several individuals on this thread WHO live in WA. I am sure the FAZIO's if taken out to dinner or compensated in some way would allow the interviewer to make copies of pictures of the old farm from the albums. Perhaps a family reunion and ask any of the family to bring pictures and the approx dates taken of the site to be put in a historical archive.

I would if someone was going to archive the old home stead in KY.

Rightfully it is the right thing to do because as it stands - The Fazio Homestead in Vancouver a place people will forever remembered & historically - it is the only area that ever revealed any evidence actually related to the this unsolved Skyjacking in 1971.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

"PROVE YOU PERSONALLY WENT TO TENA'S BAR IN 1971, 1979, 2001 AND 2010 THEN YOU CAN HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS. USING PICTURES OR ARIALS THAT JUST MIGHT NOT HAVE THE RIGHT DATE IS NOT A GOOD THING. THE ARIELS USED COULD HAVE BEEN EARLIER THAN THE COMPILATION OF THE MAP."


who's quote is that?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

testxyz

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this pic only shows the FBI having 10 bills. not sure how many they really have.

The Computer Graphics people for the documentary "The Skyjacker that got away" must have had good access to all the Cooper Material.

Check out the CG rendering of the Carr picture Cooper money folder. Attached picture.

"The Skyjacker that got away" link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2I755lTZmU

I doubt they have any other info that we have. the bills are CG no doubt. even the numbers are not the same font used by the Government. I made a quick sample myself. I don't have the correct number font to make look authentic. but did sign it

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

Jo, you have claimed many things as facts. Carr even pointed that out to you. the problem I see is that you have indeed been to Tena Bar with the film crew and H. how does anyone know you took the story from there?

I simply showed flaws in your statements. 377 clearly asked you to put Duane on Tena Bar. your response was that you couldn't.

Instead of posting here night after night and POSSIBLY doing damage to your case. you need to go public and have the living witnesses prove your theory. it's not going to happen on here. your past tells me you jump to conclusion way to often. it's hard for anyone to believe what you say. you go into rants and start name calling without any reason. you have to accept questions will be asked when you make some of your claims. super glued ears, CIA, Area 51. remembering a trash incident from years and years ago. giving detailed info about trash? that's very close to a photographic memory. 17 years later from 1996. very hard to believe.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 267]

RobertMBlevins

***I thought you might be interested in this post made by ckret Nov 29, 2007...

The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it. I have been searching for the evidence report from the lab but have not found it yet, lots of files to go through. When I get it you'll be the second to know.

Supposedly, this was done for three main reasons. First, they already knew how much money had arrived from the bank, i.e. the amount requested by the hijacker and provided by SeaFirst. Second, to make the hijacker believe the money was not recorded. Third, because no one had time to count out individual bills because everyone was in a quick-fast New York hurry to get the money to the plane.

I can envision them tearing off the paper bands, pulling off stacks of bills without counting them, getting the rubber bands onto the stacks, and tossing the finished bundles into the money bag.

All of the above, as you say, is your imagination.

We, on the other hand, are looking for ... what's that word?

Facts.

Of course if you have done actual research and can provide
proof of your imagined scenarios, then by all means - present
ity thingy.

On a related topic, money, tell us about Lyle and the money?
Sluggo referred to Lyle's patents after doing a search. Not sure
what triggered Sluggo to look in that direction. Maybe Sluggo
was suspicious and looking for 'credibility' ?

Tell us about Lyle's patents and other promotions. Is Lyle an
"idea man"? What else besides Kenny, and who else besides
Kenny, has Lyle tried to sell to 'Hollywood', in addition to his
patents and "my brother was DB Cooper"? Do Lyle and Bob Knoss
communicate and share ideas and ideas for patents?

Does Lyle think in 'scripts'? Big ideas. Big Secrets. Patents.
Selling people and ideas to Hollywood and producers? Is this
the context into which "Kenny was DB Cooper and had a Big
Secret" fits?

Why did you sign on in this quest for a "big idea" that pays
money?

In addition to Lyle's "my brother was DB Cooper", Lyle also has
other patents, and has tried to sell other ideas and even people
to movie producers in Hollywood - at least that's what others
who have looked into this are now saying. Lyke seems to be an
"idea man". Lyle's son may even be involved?

Tell us about that now that you are onvolved ...

[georger 267]

mrshutter45

I'm still confused. Georger says there never was a true amount given ( hope that is right) then we have Brian
finding $3000 according to a newspaper. we have accounts of the bills with rubber bands intact, but, crumbled when touched.
(none got out) then years later 35 additional serial numbers were found. if you can find the actual amount of bills Brian had. you can figure out how much money was there. if he split the money with the Insurance company and the FBI has 14 bills, you should be able to come very close to the real amount.

this pic only shows the FBI having 10 bills. not sure how many they really have.

Ive never found any early statement of a total amount Brian
found - anywhere. There is definately nothing in what Tom s
calling the FBI Transcript. Nothing in any early newspaper article
Ive ever found, except for refereces to Brian finding $3000.
Nothing in sources Ive interviewed. Somewhere the early reports
of Brian finding $3000 morphed into $5800 later ... and my guess
is it surfaced in some interview Himmeslsbach gave to somebody.

I dont think anybody knew/knows how much money was found
due to bills being stuck together and fragments etc.

All of the early newspaper accounts seem to refer to Brian
finding $3000.00 Again, where and when it jumped to $5800,
I dont know. I could search all of the newspaper articles I have
and try to locate a source and date ... if it matters. My guess is
the FBI was the source of $5800 at some point, and it might
have been Himmelsbach first stated $5800 at some point ...
since Himmelsbach was the point man at first.

Maybe it was Pringle in Seattle?

In the early phase I dont think anyone had a total amount,
and I have solid reasons for saying this. One reason is the
Ingrams were lobbying for a reward (from somebody) for Brian.
The Ingrams actually contacted news media in this regard
and one reporter asked one of the Ingrams how much Brian had
found ... and nobody had a firm idea of the total amount. One
thought was, if the FBI wasn't going to give Brian a "reward",
then Brian should be awarded some percentage of the money
found as his reward. (The FBI resisted this). But the idea Brian
should be given some percentage as a finder's fee persisted ...
and this idea became the basis for the Ingram's lawsuit (with
Tosaw), and in fact became the basis for Brian being awarded a
certain number of bills vs a monetary reward, by the Court.

The insurance company was likewise awarded a certain number
of bills.

[BruceSmith 3]

Greetings Everyone,

I have just returned from a few weeks in NY with family and making the rounds with publishers and agents regarding my book on DB. Along the way I was on an Internet radio show talking about the skyjacking. Here's the link if you would like to hear the broadcast. It's all audio, and to get to the Cooper stuff you have to scroll through the first 28 minutes of the show, which is dedicated to a discussion about Syria. I'm on from about 28:00 to around 43:00.

http://prn.fm/2013/09/news-dissector-090513/

The show is hosted by a journalist named Danny Schechter, and the site is Progressive Radio Network.org.

On another front, I went to visit Skipp Porteous and Sherlock Investigations and was surprised to learn that he has left NYC. I was told by multiple sources that he had sold the PI biz and had moved to Montreal with a woman he had married. Mazel Tov, Skipp!

Presently, I am moving around dazed and confused by jet lag, but next week or so I hope to go to the Cooper exhibit in Tacoma with Meyer and other DBC folks. I'll give you a report on what I find.

[mrshutter45 21]

georger

***I'm still confused. Georger says there never was a true amount given ( hope that is right) then we have Brian finding $3000 according to a newspaper. we have accounts of the bills with rubber bands intact, but, crumbled when touched. (none got out) then years later 35 additional serial numbers were found.

if you can find the actual amount of bills Brian had. you can figure out how much money was there. if he split the money with the Insurance company and the FBI has 14 bills, you should be able to come very close to the real amount.

this pic only shows the FBI having 10 bills. not sure how many they really have.

Ive never found any early statement of a total amount Brian
found - anywhere. There is definately nothing in what Tom s
calling the FBI Transcript. Nothing in any early newspaper article
Ive ever found, except for refereces to Brian finding $3000.
Nothing in sources Ive interviewed. Somewhere the early reports
of Brian finding $3000 morphed into $5800 later ... and my guess
is it surfaced in some interview Himmeslsbach gave to somebody.

I dont think anybody knew/knows how much money was found
due to bills being stuck together and fragments etc.

All of the early newspaper accounts seem to refer to Brian
finding $3000.00 Again, where and when it jumped to $5800,
I dont know. I could search all of the newspaper articles I have
and try to locate a source and date ... if it matters. My guess is
the FBI was the source of $5800 at some point, and it might
have been Himmelsbach first stated $5800 at some point ...
since Himmelsbach was the point man at first.

Maybe it was Pringle in Seattle?


I guess the best way to find out would be to ask Brian exactly how much money he has. since it went to court there must of been a way they divided the cash? did they ever weigh the money?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 267]

mrshutter45

******I'm still confused. Georger says there never was a true amount given ( hope that is right) then we have Brian finding $3000 according to a newspaper. we have accounts of the bills with rubber bands intact, but, crumbled when touched. (none got out) then years later 35 additional serial numbers were found.

if you can find the actual amount of bills Brian had. you can figure out how much money was there. if he split the money with the Insurance company and the FBI has 14 bills, you should be able to come very close to the real amount.

this pic only shows the FBI having 10 bills. not sure how many they really have.

Ive never found any early statement of a total amount Brian
found - anywhere. There is definately nothing in what Tom s
calling the FBI Transcript. Nothing in any early newspaper article
Ive ever found, except for refereces to Brian finding $3000.
Nothing in sources Ive interviewed. Somewhere the early reports
of Brian finding $3000 morphed into $5800 later ... and my guess
is it surfaced in some interview Himmeslsbach gave to somebody.

I dont think anybody knew/knows how much money was found
due to bills being stuck together and fragments etc.

All of the early newspaper accounts seem to refer to Brian
finding $3000.00 Again, where and when it jumped to $5800,
I dont know. I could search all of the newspaper articles I have
and try to locate a source and date ... if it matters. My guess is
the FBI was the source of $5800 at some point, and it might
have been Himmelsbach first stated $5800 at some point ...
since Himmelsbach was the point man at first.

Maybe it was Pringle in Seattle?


I guess the best way to find out would be to ask Brian exactly how much money he has. since it went to court there must of been a way they divided the cash? did they ever weigh the money?

Its my understanding the Court awarded Brian, the insurance
co., and the FBI each a certain percentage which translated
into a certain number of intact bills and msc fragments.

I would like to see the Court documents. I have never seen them
or made any attempt to see them, due to it being tangential to
the Cooper case.

I tend to believe it was either Himmelsbach or Pringle who first
announced "$5800" to the news media, and what the basis for
that was ... I dont know.

It could very well have been the assumption, there was $2000
in each bundle. They knew they had at least 2 wholebundles and
part of a third based on rubber band fragments being reported by
the Ingrams. Thats roughly $6000 based on $2k per bundle.

Ckret could never find the lab reports to know if the lab looked
for (and found) band fragments on some of the bills.. so it goes
back to what the Ingrams reported finding ... two bundles
bounded by band fragments the Ingrams brushed away, and a
third broken bundle with band marks on one side only ... equals
3 bundles.

Everything found had been dismantled by the Ingrams at the
apartment. What they presented to H at the Portland office
was a box dismantled bundles with some bills still stuck together
they had not been able to separate. The Ingrams had made a
concerted effort to separate as many of the bills as possible
because it was their expectation to turn the bills into a bank
for redemption. So what the FBI lab was sent were piles of bills
some still stuck together, just as the FBI media photo shows.
That photo was taken in real time at the meeting between the
Ingrams and the FBI. Himmelsbach got all excited and called a
press conferenece even before the Ingrams had met with the
FBI! So what those media photos show is exactly what the
Ingrams presented, in the form it arrived, in real time.

The FBI did not take immediate custody of the money after
Harold called the Portland FBI and revealed his find. Rather,
Harold talked to the FBI a second time later in the day after the
FBI had had a chance to run several serial numbers which
established the Ingram find as Cooper related. The FBI waited for
Harold and Pat to bring the money in the next day. H alerted the
news media and called a press conference for the next day!
The Ingrams now knew what they had. What is not generally
known is the Ingrams then witheld a few bills as 'souvenirs'.
Those few bills were turned in later by Crystal Ingram, in a later
meeting with Himmelsbach.

The sources for this include newspaper artcles and radio station
reports of the time, interviews ans reports from Ingram family
members, and what Tom is calling the "FBI Transcript", as well as
other sources.

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Himmelsbach got all excited and called a
press conferenece even before the Ingrams had met with the
FBI! So what those media photos show is exactly what the
Ingrams presented, in the form it arrived, in real time.

RH didn't seem like your prototypical FBI agent. He seemed gung-ho and was/is opinionated..IMO

Those photos of the money taken on Feb. 13, 1980 are some of the best unfiltered evidence we have. (general public)

RH was set to retire on March 1, 1980. Maybe he thought the money find was some type of miracle, after many years of frustration with the Cooper case. I can imagine the excitement and the unusual? rush to
let the public know.

The Tena bar money was found "3 weeks" before RH was set to retire.

Unless RH decided to retire after the Tena Bar money find.

Feb 13, 1980 retirement article attached.

[BruceSmith 3]

Mr. Shutter generously reconfigured the Progressive Radio Network audio interview with me about DBC and my book, Sky Thief - A Report on the DB Cooper Skyjacking Investigation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iQ_fIGxA4

My thanks to Dave, and of course, Danny Schechter and the folks at Progressive Radio Network.

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mrshutter45

you have to accept questions will be asked when you make some of your claims. super glued ears, CIA, Area 51. remembering a trash incident from years and years ago. giving detailed info about trash? that's very close to a photographic memory. 17 years later from 1996. very hard to believe.

Surgical glue not Super Glue.

Area 51 - I did not know what they were talking about until I realized 51 was in the Nevada area.

I remember that 1979 trip in lots of detail - yes, I do have a good memory or I used to. Age has caught up with me and the drugs I use to manage my health. My brother has a better memory than I do - I am the one who can tell you what I was wearing and what he was wearing on a train trip to Ohio - he remembered it and he was only 3 yrs old. Why he remembered it was the Chimpanzee at the Zoo in Cinnci. I remembered they gave us a lower birth so mother could try to get us to take a nap. I couldn't keep him in the birth - the nap never happened.

I have explained how my father used to ask us question after a trip - he thought the best way to give us a broad sense of the country was travel.

My memory is best at absorbing trips because of how my father was. Mundane things about every day life are just that. A trip I remembered and that is how it was when I was with Duane. ALL of the trips we took that were NOT a repeat trip. I might not remember the name of the town but I remember the street we parked on and the building on that street - such as Omaha, Nebraska.

We were basically taught to remember a trip Daddy took us on and I never let go of that. Now age and medication is robbing me of my memories and WHY I tell as much as I can of what I remember.

On a trip out west with my father and mother and my brother and my then 3 yrs old sister. She was standing between mother and father in the front seat - 1949. She had on a blue dress and she was chewing on it and she was hungery - because Daddy pushed us to the limit to chase the sun that day, Few potty stop - we had something to use in the car. DUHH!
I was 9 yrs old.

My memory is NOT photographic, but it is triggered by what I see. WHY my trip in 2010 was so valuable to me and even though I thought I would come home and the trip would wash all of this out of my mind. IT DIDN'T - it only reinforced things - So many changes and I would see a building I remembered, but none of the surrounding area - and I would find out it was a nursery Duane had mentioned and why I paid attention.

It was like my father talking - I remembered the things he said and what he showed me! Even today I remember routes I travel by visual places - like a house - I never remember the street.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

Surgical, Super, Dental, airplane glue. none are made for ears. I use the term hard to believe a lot vs deceptive. I never said you were lying. you have some issue's with many of the comments you have made.

I have a very good memory as well. I can remember as far back as 3. I had a double hernia. we traveled a lot in the 70's. I can not recall anything about Mom or Dad throwing something out the window in our many travels. I remember certain points and times. nothing irrelevant like trash. back then I'm sure it happened.

I was reading back in the thread further today. I noticed you claimed an amount of $27,000 in the bag? it just doesn't make sense to have hard earned cash sitting in a hole right in the crime scene area for years. (close to it) you really need to go public Jo. you have stated this many times over as well. have someone speak out about your case. then you won't have to worry about being nervous. phone interviews with reporters etc. you are spinning your wheels here. get it over with one way or the other.

my personal opinion is that you don't have any hard evidence supporting your story. it seems you take a "what if" and turn it into reality. it might work for you, but, in reality it's a stretch. that's how I see it. if I'm wrong, I'm sure proof will tell me I'm wrong. I have been proven wrong many times.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

Robert says"

"Supposedly, this was done for three main reasons. First, they already knew how much money had arrived from the bank, i.e. the amount requested by the hijacker and provided by SeaFirst. Second, to make the hijacker believe the money was not recorded. Third, because no one had time to count out individual bills because everyone was in a quick-fast New York hurry to get the money to the plane."

first you start off with the word "supposedly" that means you don't know. I recall the money going through a recordak and being photo copied. this would cause the bundles to be broken up and put into the machine. I would say they probably counted the money during this operation. two birds, one stone. this would be were they made different amounts in the bundles as well. if in fact they did that. I can't buy the FBI not knowing the actual amount. I don't care if it came from the President of the United States. I would make sure. if they had several machines. this shouldn't really take that long depending on how fast the machine was.

we don't know when the money got to the FBI. this makes it hard to try and pin point a time frame. I think the above could have been done if they got the money quick enough.

it's possible the stalling was the money and not the chutes. they are not going to give that clue out to anyone. you would think the chutes would be the easiest demand.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

"Thought the money was recorded previous to the hijacking"


I just found this from ckret:

"but the order per serial number was never documented. There is no indication the money was re-bundled. "

and this

"It is my understanding the money was wraped in rubber bands, no paper bands. the money was put together in different bill counts so it looked as if it was put together in a hurry."

the order must of been documented. they claimed the Tena Bar money was still in it's original sequence.???????

let's see what Georger says about this.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

it doesn't make any sense unless the Government funded it. they would lose money with it sitting there locked out of there hands.

all other reports are they had to rush to get the money together. if it was ready it would be a quick escorted drive to and from.

I forgot, where did the story come from about the money being readily available?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

Surgical, Super, Dental, airplane glue. none are made for ears. I use the term hard to believe a lot vs deceptive. I never said you were lying. you have some issue's with many of the comments you have made.


I was reading back in the thread further today. I noticed you claimed an amount of $27,000 in the bag? .

I only have the energy for this one post. I do not know what you are talking about regarding 27K? Please send me a personal email regarding this. Whatever this is about is totally eluding me at this time.

Now a message to EVERYONE:

I believe I am down to the wire on time. Even though my health has been on a downward spiral - it has ACCELERATED. I won't go into any details because I won't have the final word for a wk or 2 and after some more testing. After reviewing some old records on my health - things I just mentally walked away from, but knew in my heart was on the horizon....it seems the sunset of my life has come.

I knew it was only a matter of time and I have beat the odds for a long time. The last yr has been difficult. Things I thought UNRELATED to the original diagnosis in 2007 started to excellerate in June of 2012 - I had filed all of that away - out of site and out of mind.

I don't need any lip from any of you at this time. I had all the papers on the disease and prior studies and convinced myself they were wrong and the diagnosis was wrong. Seems like it was DEAD on.

The symptoms have progress rapidly since June of 2012 and the discomfort level is high. I ignored all of the warning signs - increase in flushing and sweats and heat intolerant (deliberately filed them away). I just didn't want to face the reality! The other symptoms are too gross to discuss on this thread.

Will make another post about Cooper and what needs to be done to bring all of this to an end and soon.

There is one thing I want everyone to know and understand. I have not lied nor told a fantasy story and I have not attempted to make monies off of this. I did what was the RIGHT thing to do. This 42 yr saga on Cooper needs to end and our own government needs to stand up and be accounted for regarding their complete indifference to the lives their "secrets" have created not only for me, but others.

There are certain individuals I want to personally meet with on a private basis. God forbid why I would want to meet Georger - perhaps just curiousity!

Do not know if I have the stamina to do this at this time, but I want to try. As for CKRET - no way. Curtis Eng only because he was kind to me. Snowman and Smoking99 are 2 more and of course 377. There is a person who lofts here. but like myself has not been well - I want to personally meet. The person who was assigned to HOAX me.

I would like for Sheridan Peterson to be one of the individuals, but his health like mine will probably not allow this. Sheridan or any skyjumper who jumped out of Issagauh from 1962 to 1970 - needs to see pictures of Weber and some of his associates who were legitimate business men during this time. Some of these men had and flew their own planes.

The FBI needs to make public the name of the business whose rental was found at the Portland airport.
If Cossey was jumping out of Issaqauh during the time frame outlined above - he also may have thought he had met Cooper.

I was contacted by many strange individuals who told me some strange stories, but nothing seemed to fit.

One man who was present in the first thread contacted me and we had some unusual conversations. He then disappeared and I think he may have died. He - I believe knew who Duane was and remembered him, but told me the truth would never be known. I have his handle someplace, but cannot remember it at this time. If 377 catches me at a good time - perhaps he can off the thread see if he can identify the person.

This man who contacted me was the only one over the yrs I felt had some kind of inside information regarding Duane Weber. I do not remember if he revealed his real name to me, but someone from the thread might know.

Right now the temp in the room is 75 and I am buring up and flushing. My skin feels like I have been burned and I awake in sweats with a horrible rash that does NOT go away. The medication for the rash only intensify the other symptoms. This is NOT fun...I won't mention the gross parts. Add to that the degenerative old age things and it is worse. I try to keep the 2 things separate, but hip surgery would only cause the progression of the disease to accelerate. The 3 surgeries I had - may have contributed to the acceleration as one of the components used with anesthesia can cause a carcinoid crisis to occur.

Medications used to control the rashes (prednisones and cortisones) also accelerate the underlying disease. Which demon do you choose?

Now you know part of what is going on...and why I do not travel or do interviews. I took that trip in 2010 because at that time - I knew I had to do it. Wish I could have stayed for 2 more wks and then have approached the FBI with information that is probably now forever buried. The woman in Biggs and Rufus - and her nephew.

Another man known only to Margie Boule I did not think pertinent to Weber - he is the one who later tried to contact the FBI, but wanted immunity. His name was not given and an attorney in the area who is deceased tried to make this happen, but the STATE said it had to be done thru Washingtion DC as the case was a Federal Case. This man died in 2004 (I think). Georger strangely enough KNOWS who the man was - so why does Georger NOT speak up.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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mrshutter45

it doesn't make any sense unless the Government funded it. they would lose money with it sitting there locked out of there hands.

all other reports are they had to rush to get the money together. if it was ready it would be a quick escorted drive to and from.

I forgot, where did the story come from about the money being readily available?

READ TOSAW'S book!

Himmelsbach told me not too long ago - I had become the GO TOO person for information. I was shocked since another person who posts on this thread had told me Himmelsbach does not want me contacting him.

Frankly I do not believe Mr. H is two-faced. He has always been very honest with me.

I have been trying to figure out who should get my "marked up book" Max Gunther walked me thru and his kind and some times kinky letters to me.

One young man wants to someday do a book and when I wrote my will long ago - I did name him, but am rethinking some of that right now. His views were a little slanted.

Did anyone listen to the program Bruce was interviewed by. I could not of course get it. I have NOT read Bruce's book. He sent me what he sent others and I read a few pages and then just let it go as the preliminary he had done on me was very biased and negative.

Wonder how many of you will eat CROW someday and when you do be sure to have some Amaretto around and some Tia Maria and a good bottle of a sweet fruity wine....I have not been able to drink in several yrs because alcohol accelerates the symptoms. I won't be there. Of course some Seagrams and/or another good scotch to toast Duane. I forget now the names of the scotch and bourbons Duane drank....he like myself was unable to drink in the later part of his life.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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the chute is nothing but ...a chute. if they were nervous it was going to be Coopers chute and not want it known they wouldn't have made it public information. the people who found the chute remained silent so nothing would have been said. is it strange? yes, call for cover up...doubtful.

I believe it was the media that concluded the 1945 chute.

If the chute is 33 feet in diameter. the whole deal is out the window. I don't think it's a law ( last time checked) on disclosing every angle they used to identify the chute. if we use the flight path written in stone done by a bunch of smart guys and we go by what Rataczak says. the chute is in the wrong spot.

If the police can't link Cossey's murder to the Cooper case the FBI has nothing to do with it. I do believe enough time has past where the family should voice concern. possibly seek outside help.

I don't think the FBI cares what we think one way or the other on there conclusions. the case is old, they admit they have limited time on working the case. if 1000 people were calling in everyday, perhaps they would change there tune. the term "whatever' comes to mind.

I found out last night that a guy I am going to be doing work for is a FBI Agent. maybe I can get something out of him. he doesn't even know that I know he is a agent. another cop who referred me to him told me who he was. this answers my question why he asked me if I was law enforcement. when I asked him for his address, I told him I needed a writing utensil. he said it sounded like something someone in law enforcement would say.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Blevins

Lets get the Amboy chute out of the DB case finally!!!

You say: "Sixth, if the Seattle FBI had to admit through examination and research from actual experts that the Amboy Chute was indeed Cooper's - this would negate the official stance they've taken since the Tena Bar money was found: That Cooper died in the jump."

I say: "If you examine the chute from Norm Hayden (the one chute that Cooper did not use) the one that is displayed at the Tacoma Historical Museum you will find that it is "white ripstop" and is a duplicate of the chute that DB used in Norjak according to Hayden. He claims he bought both chutes at the same time from a Surplus store next to Boeing on Marginal Way. So, both chutes were the same and the one not used is "white rip stop" (see attached photo taken by Bruce Smith) and therefore so is the chute DB used. Now, the Amboy chute is not "white ripstop" and is brown in color. Mark 377 calls the Amboy chute a twill weave which is not "ripstop" and it is definitely not the DB Cooper chute.

So, finally the Amboy chute is rulled out as a possible DB Cooper chute and we should forget about it.
Cossey got it wrong when he called it silk but that was just another error from our "expert" that was known for playing jokes on people. He was right that it was not the DB Cooper chute but for the wrong reason. It was however found in the right area that DB jumped into."

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com