DB Cooper

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Marlboro Raleigh Bourbon whiskey rum coke Pepsi can you stop think in a straight line not a circle I think Curtis e is right some of you will never stop you don't want it to be over if you cant except DNA than you can't stop

Read my posts. I'm here for the truth. Show me the truth.

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GreyCopGC148

question are you here to find the truth? or just talk about the case.. we have heard the same thing and never drawing a conclusion. If you cant focus on the forensics than you're wasting your time.. Matches benzene aluminum dust on tie none of this means anything... which seat brown black gray loafers boots.camel

Marlboro Raleigh Bourbon whiskey rum coke Pepsi can you stop think in a straight line not a circle I think Curtis e is right some of you will never stop you don't want it to be over if you cant except DNA than you can't stop

Pot meet kettle. I'm afraid the problem is that you have also presented a lot of yada yada without any bing.
There has been zip to back up your statements. I've got another sample of another "suspect's" handwriting that is a much better match - to my admittedly non-expert eye - than KC's are. As a matter of fact, two of KC's samples don't even look like they match each other.

So the handwriting stuff is way iffy and we've seen no evidence regarding DNA - plus - you still haven't answered these http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4529348#4529348 very simple questions that I've asked twice.

So what I'm saying is... until the CNN truck pulls up to your door, and Curtis Eng comes out of the Cooper closet and shares the proof that you've solved the case 6/13, you don't have anything other than what everyone else that says they've solved it has.......nada.
But I still enjoyed your video tours.

As for the safe - I imagine there might be a lot of junk around there. I've heard it was kind of a dumping ground at one point but I don't know the extent of it. Even so, I'm surprised more "stuff" hasn't been found. There was a plane crash on that land before the Fazios bought it, so there might be stuff from that also.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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some of these suspect wannabee's need to get on board with the media. the Nielsen ratings are extremely low for Duane Weber and KC.

ABC recapped Marla's story August 2013. I believe this will be the second time this year. better hurry, she's going to take all the thunder.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deb4YiHrcBE

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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what are your thoughts on the dredge story. I'm finding out different things as to what history has told. some operator's even install a screen at the end of the pipeline because things get thru.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

what are your thoughts on the dredge story. I'm finding out different things as to what history has told. some operator's even install a screen at the end of the pipeline because things get thru.....

There's been a lot of opinions on the dredging, but I don't know that anyone has ever said with certainty what type of dredging was done at this particular place in the 70s.

I also don't know what is at the other end of that pipe that you show - are there cutters/grinders at the intake end?
But I agree with you - I have seen this type of dredge pipe, I've seen images of the ones with the blades, I've seen the claw and dump ones.

I've also seen pictures of large, intact objects that have come out of dredging pipes.

Another point of contention has been the Palmer report. Lots of disagreement and, as with many things cooper, yesterday's expert is today's idiot --so who knows what to believe. It makes sense that a geologist can identify sand layers though I've always thought it was interesting that anyone could draw a precise conclusion about dredge layers considering that there might have been a lot of sand piling, digging, mixing, and leveling going on after the dredged sand was deposited on the ground.

It would be nice to get clarification on the type of dredge used - though it is possible this has been answered before and it's tucked away on this thread some place.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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the picture shows the end of the pipeline of a dredge. they were aware of objects getting through, so they installed that screen. I haven't seen it a lot in my searches though.

snowman dug pretty deep into and appears not believe the theory of the dredge shredding the money. I thought I would take a look myself and see what I could find out about them.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Hope everything is okay with Robert99. I notice that he hasn't posted in a couple of weeks. Is he on another Tena Bar expedition?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

Hope everything is okay with Robert99. I notice that he hasn't posted in a couple of weeks. Is he on another Tena Bar expedition?

I just PM'd him last nite. he is fine. been busy with real life things. was out of town a while I believe.


here is a little Cooper comedy that was sent to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEe7VmIhPPM

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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smokin99

Hope everything is okay with Robert99. I notice that he hasn't posted in a couple of weeks. Is he on another Tena Bar expedition?

Smokin, Thanks for the interest. I've been on a trip in an easterly direction and just got back a few days ago. I am going to deliberately post less here in the immediate future but will continue to work on some things that are related, in one manner or another, to the Cooper case. And the Cooper case is not the center of my life.

Robert99

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mrshutter45

***Hope everything is okay with Robert99. I notice that he hasn't posted in a couple of weeks. Is he on another Tena Bar expedition?

I just PM'd him last nite. he is fine. been busy with real life things. was out of town a while I believe.


here is a little Cooper comedy that was sent to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEe7VmIhPPM

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

***what are your thoughts on the dredge story. I'm finding out different things as to what history has told. some operator's even install a screen at the end of the pipeline because things get thru.....

There's been a lot of opinions on the dredging, but I don't know that anyone has ever said with certainty what type of dredging was done at this particular place in the 70s.

I also don't know what is at the other end of that pipe that you show - are there cutters/grinders at the intake end?
But I agree with you - I have seen this type of dredge pipe, I've seen images of the ones with the blades, I've seen the claw and dump ones.

I've also seen pictures of large, intact objects that have come out of dredging pipes.

Another point of contention has been the Palmer report. Lots of disagreement and, as with many things cooper, yesterday's expert is today's idiot --so who knows what to believe. It makes sense that a geologist can identify sand layers though I've always thought it was interesting that anyone could draw a precise conclusion about dredge layers considering that there might have been a lot of sand piling, digging, mixing, and leveling going on after the dredged sand was deposited on the ground.

It would be nice to get clarification on the type of dredge used - though it is possible this has been answered before and it's tucked away on this thread some place.

Yes the type of dredge used has been defined including the
type of cutters and the destructive force of those cutters ...
by Ckret ... talked to the operator-owner ... see past posts on
this topic. I just dont have the time right now to dredge it up
due to breaking NEWS -

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mrshutter45

some of these suspect wannabee's need to get on board with the media. the Nielsen ratings are extremely low for Duane Weber and KC.

ABC recapped Marla's story August 2013. I believe this will be the second time this year. better hurry, she's going to take all the thunder.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deb4YiHrcBE

Several researchers claim to have obtained Kenny Christiansen's
death certificate. They claim the certificate lists KC's death as
due to "Kaposi Sarcoma". A common HIV related sarcoma.

Kaposi sarcoma (KS) is a tumor caused by human herpesvirus 8
(HHV8, also known as Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpesvirus,
(KSHV) HIV. (AIDS)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi's_sarcoma

Release is pending. The "secret" is out, as it were.

Didn't RobertMBlevins claim to have never seen KC's death certificate?

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Here is a somewhat accurate depiction of Cooper on the plane....

According to "Unsolved Mysteries" Cooper told Tina Mucklow "now I want you to get up there with your bible" just before he jumped.

Christianity wasn't known to be friendly to the gay lifestyle back then.

From what I heard, even on the plane, Tina would ask passengers if they had been saved.

1:50 into video Cooper sez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd_mwE4GN8s

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RobertMBlevins

******some of these suspect wannabee's need to get on board with the media. the Nielsen ratings are extremely low for Duane Weber and KC.

ABC recapped Marla's story August 2013. I believe this will be the second time this year. better hurry, she's going to take all the thunder.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deb4YiHrcBE

Several researchers claim to have obtained Kenny Christiansen's
death certificate. They claim the certificate lists KC's death as
due to "Kaposi Sarcoma".

Kaposi sarcoma (KS) is a tumor caused by human herpesvirus 8
(HHV8, also known as Kaposi's sarcoma-associated herpesvirus,
KSHV) HIV. (AIDS)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi's_sarcoma

Release is pending. The "secret" is out, as it were.

Didn't RobertMBlevins claim to have never seen KC's death certificate?

Well, first...I think the exact cause of Kenny's death, unless he choked to death on a twenty-dollar bill with a serial number matching the ransom list...is IRRELEVANT. It has zip to do with whether or not Kenny was the hijacker, correct? You are right on one thing. I have not seen KC's actual death certificate, but I do know who has a copy and I have their phone number.

To be fair, and to answer your question anyway, I will be speaking to this person tomorrow.

Now if your statement of 'several researchers claim' (who list cause of death) turns out to be inaccurate, then I have to relegate that claim to the same box as the one where you said 'a witness' came forward and said both Weber and KC aren't the guy. That is a claim, like the one above you just made...that isn't sourced either.

More empty words from RMB ...

You also CLAIMED! the Lyle C - Mike Simmons interview never occurred.

Your claims and opinions/editorials/denials are a true indicator.

You claimed to be a researcher. You claim to OWN rights to
certain KC property. You called my assertion Lyle had been
interviewed by Mike Simmons on a nationally syndicated radio
program a quote: "lie". Then you had to weasel backwards out
of that! And you never thought to get or have seen, KC's Death
Certificate? (no tracks of left in the snow ....)

You relied on and claimed Kenny's "secret" was he was DB
Cooper! Now the secret turns out to be .... something else?

Me thinks thou doth protest too much ...

You dont OWN the Death Certificate - no way can you keep
that from public view now! Sorry ... Shouldn't
you have shared this NEWS with DECODED staff ! ??? Looks
a bit iffy there also - - - what they dont know wont hurt them?

Hello Muddah
Hello Faddah
Here I am at ...

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RobertMBlevins

One or two questions at a time please. Yes...AB of Sea does own the rights to certain pictures and documents regarding Christiansen. I don't see the big deal on this, though.

You never presented any proof that this interview you refer to actually occurred, and that Lyle told this guy (supposedly) he didn't think his brother was the hijacker. I did ask Lyle about that. He doesn't remember the interview and then asked me why he would say something like that. You never presented a valid, verifiable source on it anyway. And I also pointed out that Lyle's opinion on whether his brother was the hijacker is completely worthless, since Kenny never told him he was, or left him any of those famous twenty-dollar bills.

Also...same thing on your 'witness' claim. No source.

Same thing on your 'KC died of an AIDS-related cancer'. No source. On that last one, I really don't care much on that because Kenny died 23 years after the hijacking, so I don't see the relevance on it as it might relate to the Cooper case. I said I would check on that for you, though.

That's for tomorrow. There's this game with my name on it...and it is calling.

by all means dont miss your GAME!

This GAME (the KC game) is OV-AHH.

Hello Muddah'
Hello Faddah ..
Here I am at ...

I did give a source for the witness says KC not Cooper.
Go back and read. Its very clear!

I trust the researchers. I don't trust you! The researchers say:
Kenny died of Kaposi Sarcoma - HIV related cancer which
concentrates in population of middle aged men.

Specifically, I trust that these researchers are actually
doing some 'research' and are honest people, not engaged in a
over up.

How in hell could you have missed this and failed to advise the
staff of DECODED! ? re- Kenny's BIG SECRET he couldnt share
with his conservative family in Minnethota?! DECODED was
depending on you for reliable information, Blevins. ???

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testxyz

Here is a somewhat accurate depiction of Cooper on the plane....

According to "Unsolved Mysteries" Cooper told Tina Mucklow "now I want you to get up there with your bible" just before he jumped.

Christianity wasn't known to be friendly to the gay lifestyle back then.

From what I heard, even on the plane, Tina would ask passengers if they had been saved.

1:50 into video Cooper sez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd_mwE4GN8s

I wouldnt even conjecture about something like that ...

I dont read tea leaves.

That's Tina's business alone.

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Because of the late hour in Minnesota, they won't see my message until tomorrow morning of course. I did this as a courtesy to you, and only that. The relevance on cause of death in 1994 for KC as it relates to the Cooper case escapes me. But I will check it out to answer your question. And if he died of the disease you listed, according to your unnamed researchers, then I will say so. FYI: You can get the death certificate for practically anyone in Washington State for $27 anyway. It's not big-time 'research'.

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Then why didnt you get it !?

Instead of claiming in front of the whole world for three years he
was't gay and didn't die of anything related to that?

While also claiming the hijack of Flight 305 was his BIG SECRET ?

While denying his being gay was his BIG SECRET ?

Why the cover up ?

Why didn't you post this years ago, quote: "You can get the
death certificate for practically anyone in Washington State for
$27 anyway. It's not big-time 'research'. Cool"

People have been asking here for three years. Why the delay?

It may not matter to you, but it matters to the truth of this guy
you keep saying (probably wasn't Cooper) (probably was Cooper)
(might be Cooper) ... and whatever else you can dream up to
keep your taundry soap opera alive.

It boggles my mind anyone would go to these lengths, even in
the face of an almost 100% chance it will all backfire the minute
anyone digs up the facts. It's living on faithe in the gullibility of
people.

The issue is as much about RobertMBlevins as it is Kenneth
Christiansen now.

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RobertMBlevins

Kenny's family knew he was gay from about the time he was sixteen onward. I have said this previously. Geoff Gray was the first to mention Kenny's sexuality, in his NYM article, not me. I've never had a problem with anything in that article.
And your statements regarding 'these researchers said this' or 'this witness said that' after seeing photographs are still unsourced.

Which means you either made them up or you have a source. Didn't you think anyone would question you on those claims?

Source, please...otherwise relegate those statements to the Cooper Myth File.

Oh you will get your source - IN SPADES!

Copies are being prepared as I speak - lots of recipients.

Its already in NYC. Get my drift?

YOU WILL HAVE A TON OF - SOURCES! You will have so many sources you wont know which way to deny first!

All you have to do, according to you, is lay down $27 bucks.

So, Go get it. Why whine to us here? Get busy!



Silly.

Im only the messenger.

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RobertMBlevins

******Kenny's family knew he was gay from about the time he was sixteen onward. I have said this previously. Geoff Gray was the first to mention Kenny's sexuality, in his NYM article, not me. I've never had a problem with anything in that article.
And your statements regarding 'these researchers said this' or 'this witness said that' after seeing photographs are still unsourced.

Which means you either made them up or you have a source. Didn't you think anyone would question you on those claims?

Source, please...otherwise relegate those statements to the Cooper Myth File.

Oh you will get your source - IN SPADES!

Copies are being prepared as I speak - lots of recipients.

Its already in NYC. Get my drift?

YOU WILL HAVE A TON OF - SOURCES! You will have so many sources you wont know which way to deny first!

All you have to do, according to you, is lay down $27 bucks.

SO, Go get it. Why whine to us here?



Silly.

Since you were the one to claim on this thread that a Cooper witness has recently discounted both Weber and Christiansen as being the hijacker...as a result of viewing recent pictures of same...then I look forward to your multiple copies or whatever.

Just tell me it isn't Galen Cook and the witness isn't Janet and I will be fine with it.

Really, Georger. If you are going to make wild claims ('a Cooper witness has seen pictures of Weber and KC...') and attribute them to others, you really should name a source and not rely on promises of 'later'. Just saying. Otherwise people will naturally question those claims. I couldn't care less what Kenny Christiansen died of more than twenty years after the hijacking. I only care about what he happened to be doing the week of the crime. Or shortly afterward. Anything else is irrelevant. You still haven't named a single source for any of your claims. Not one, even though you pointed me back in the thread to check, which I did. Nothing.

Source, please? For the following:

Cooper hijacking witness who you say has viewed pictures of both KC and Weber and discounted both.

Researchers who told you how KC died in 1994.

On that last one, I will give you the benefit of the doubt until I discover the facts for myself...not that it matters how he died more than two decades after the crime.

This is a switcheroo

We asked you for "verification of sources" from you for three
years!

You denied Kenny was gay ... or if he was it didn't matter ...
but it had nothing to do with his network of friends and his life
... because you said you had interviewed the people important
in Kenny's life ... etc etc etc ... and you said the central facts of
KC's life was directed toward him becoming/being DB Cooper ...
and nothing else! You said again last night his gay life didn't
matter! You said, quote: :Trust me on this!".

You said Kenny's BIG SECRET was being DB Cooper!

You said Kenny's BIG SECRET was NOT being gay or dying of
AIDS, spreading HIV, etc etc etc.

You said Kenny died of cancer and not HIV! You denied the two
are even related!

You will get your sources, Mr. Blevins.

Game over.



And the Dedcoded episode appears to be questionable, based on
this new information about Kenny, which was sitting there in the
public record - all along?

There is literally nothing you have produced, Mr. Blevins, which remotely connects Kenneth Christiansen to the DB Cooper Hijacking case.

All there is in fact, is a brother named Lyle who went to New York City promoting the idea of a movie script looking for a producer, with the idea that his brother a NWA employee, had been the mythical DB Cooper ..

This attempt at promoting the idea of a movie script brought in
Porteous and Geoff Gray. The producer in question denied to persue Lyle's big idea for a movie script!

Porteous communicated with Geoff Gray and Gray did some investigating and wrote his article ... for some reason.

Faced with no retirement fund and needing cash for retirement
Porteous picked up the idea of a movie script again and brings
you into the mix. Poreteous has since retired and moved to
Canada. ( I am told)

In the meantime you work up a brand new vita for Kenneth
Christiansen but fail to connect Kenny in any factual way to
the actual DB Cooper Hijacking!

Jo Weber has gone through a similar exercise lasting years,
trying to claim her husband Duane Weber was D.B. Cooper.

What has any of this pamadgeon got to do with D.B. Cooper?
That's what I want to know?

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RobertMBlevins

I have spoken by phone today with Lyle Christiansen and two of Kenny's other family members. I also spoke to one person who helped care for Kenny at the Bonney Lake home while he was home-care the last few weeks of his life. The main subject was the manner of Kenny's death. The family is sending me a copy of the death certificate, the name of Kenny's doctor, and the hospital where he received cancer treatments before he was discharged into home/hospice-type care. I will be interviewing the doctor as well.

This is what I discovered so far:

1) Kenny was NOT positive for the AIDS virus, nor did he have any form of the disease at the time of his death.

2) Cause of death as listed on the death certificate: Colorectal carcinoma. (colon cancer)

3) The family believes he may have contracted this later in life as a result of earlier radiation exposure during his six-month stay on Bikini Island during the atom bomb tests. This last bit is their opinion, of course.

Then there is a conflict, as usual.

I guess the documents will settle this. (somehow I even doubt that!)

2) Cause of death as listed on the death certificate: Colorectal carcinoma. (colon cancer)

Hmmm.

That might refer to site vs type (pathology).

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I think some people need to chill before they go off the handle calling everything a "wild theory" it's my understanding that some fireworks are being set up at this very moment. me? I'll just set back and watch

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I'm going to post the safe video but please don't make it into some thing its not...
..maybe one of you can research the serial number? you can see it if you pause the video. .. but the most important thing is the mud stain on the side. This was the side that was facing down in the mud.
The safe was on the bottom and the light sand that moves around in high tide the safe had been under it for a long time before it was exposed.

Youtube: DB COOPER Case Solved 6 13 2013 parts 6, 7, 8

if you look at the cooper cash, the bottoms are stained the same, but not from here gc 148

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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mrshutter45

I think some people need to chill before they go off the handle calling everything a "wild theory" it's my understanding that some fireworks are being set up at this very moment. me? I'll just set back and watch

I don't know - I was kind of enjoying the absence of bickering. It was nice while it lasted.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

***I think some people need to chill before they go off the handle calling everything a "wild theory" it's my understanding that some fireworks are being set up at this very moment. me? I'll just set back and watch

I don't know - I was kind of enjoying the absence of bickering. It was nice while it lasted.


I don't think we are going to get an answer to your questions to Paul. or should I say it's 'safe" to say that lol

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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i really think the fbi will never release the results of the dna to the public.. its time to have a major news network do independent test on the handwriting and settle it once and for all like Geraldo Rivera live on tv... just like i showed curtis eng i have nothing to hide or fear he will know in 15 minutes or less i make this challenge to any major news network it states in my letter to the fbi not to released to public or news but now I am ready. I've spoken with my attorney and we are ready once a gain i make the challenge to any independent test you can throw at me even my composites 360 975 9601 paul geivett gc 148

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett