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it seems I was incorrect by stating the area you thought was a rubber band. it is not a portion of the oval around the prez. it's the back of the bill. it appears to have been torn and pushed to the left. also looks like it happened before the mess at the top of the bill. (see photo) there are several area's showing the back side of the bill.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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still skeptical that someone at a bank went through and manually sorted 12,500 bills into alpha-numeric order by serial number --

Evidently, within 2 weeks after the hijacking, some poor soul or souls developed an in-order Alpha-Numerical sequece Booklet list for distribution by Dec. 8 1971. IF the list was ever random to start.

Evidently, per Gray's book "Skyjack", R.H. used the same alpha-numeric book in 1980 (as seen in Newspaper in 1976) to verify that one of the Tena bar bills was on the list.

I have no idea how R.H. verified the sequence in the Tena Bar bundles. If anyone had the correct sequence list, he would, he was on the case since day 1.

Reference Documents Attached...

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TomKaye

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This is another propeller story!

Very sad.....

I am just the messenger here. Everything I am telling you about this subject comes from text in the archive. To clarify, when I said "in order" that means the bills were in random order stacks, the microfilm list showed those random serial numbers in-the-order they were stacked in the bundles. The random serial numbers on the top and bottom bills was recorded so it could be determined where in the list each individual stack started and stopped. And it was described in detail that the FBI had to sort through the numbers to figure out the true list.

Tom

Thanks for the clarification, Tom.

Aside from it being in the archives, it just makes sense that this would be the way the money was recorded. As it also makes sense that the list we now have is after the numbers were sorted alpha-numerically so that people would have an easier way to look up the bills.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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it's the back of the bill. it appears to have been torn and pushed to the left.

Do you think there is a hole in the first bill and the backside of the next bill is showing through.

If so, that could mean there was tampering with the bundle, because I think the bank could at least manage to bundle all bills face up. (even back then)

Another thought...these 20's are bionic bills to be recognizable after so long in enviroment. Supposively all the bills were used when given to Cooper.

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still skeptical that someone at a bank went through and manually sorted 12,500 bills into alpha-numeric order by serial number --

Evidently, within 2 weeks after the hijacking, some poor soul or souls developed an in-order Alpha-Numerical sequece Booklet list for distribution by Dec. 8 1971. IF the list was ever random to start.

Evidently, per Gray's book "Skyjack", R.H. used the same alpha-numeric book in 1980 (as seen in Newspaper in 1976) to verify that one of the Tena bar bills was on the list.

I have no idea how R.H. verified the sequence in the Tena Bar bundles. If anyone had the correct sequence list, he would, he was on the case since day 1.

Reference Documents Attached...

I don't doubt that some poor soul did just that. That was my point - It would be a lot easier to sort the numbers on paper after the fact then it would be to sort the bills themselves into order.

And if you have a stop/start index for each of the bundles, they don't have to be in alpha-numeric order. On the other hand, if you are a store clerk looking through a booklet, it would HAVE to be in alpha-numeric order or you're going to have minimal compliance.

Tom Kaye posts above that the text in the archives notes that the bills were in random order, and they were recorded that way, with start and stop bills noted for each bundle. I say, obviously, someone later re-ordered the numbers so that they would be easier to check against.

All RH did was look at the list that had been developed and found the serial numbers - just like you did. Not to say that he didn't have the original at that point - but he wouldn't have needed it as long as he trusted his ordered copy. And his trust level was probably dictated by the number of bills that matched. If it had been only one bill, then maybe you'd verify a little more. But by the 20th bill, I imagine his confidence level was pretty high and verification accomplished.
Your next problem would be in verifying that the bills were genuine........
Now think about the possibilities with that and wouldn't that be a hoot....

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Your next problem would be in verifying that the bills were genuine.......
Now think about the possibilities with that and wouldn't that be a hoot....

Gray claims the bills were marked....there are several ways of doing that, I wonder if they were marked in a couple of ways.

Wiki defintion below...

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Marking bills is a technique used by police to trace and identify money used in illegal activities.[1][2] The serial numbers of the bills are recorded, and sometimes markings are made on the bank notes themselves (such as with a highlighter[3] or other writing[4]).

Non-law enforcement uses of marking bills may be as simple as distinctive text[5] on the bank notes, or recording serial numbers in the event of a robbery.[6]

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it's the back of the bill. it appears to have been torn and pushed to the left.

Do you think there is a hole in the first bill and the backside of the next bill is showing through.

If so, that could mean there was tampering with the bundle, because I think the bank could at least manage to bundle all bills face up. (even back then)

Another thought...these 20's are bionic bills to be recognizable after so long in enviroment. Supposively all the bills were used when given to Cooper.

"Do you think there is a hole in the first bill and the backside of the next bill is showing through."

I don't think so. it looks like it will fold over back into place. lot's of things out of place on this bundle. I can't prove anything, but, it looks like this bundle has been thru some sort of movement other than just lying around for years.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Your next problem would be in verifying that the bills were genuine.......
Now think about the possibilities with that and wouldn't that be a hoot....

Gray claims the bills were marked....there are several ways of doing that, I wonder if they were marked in a couple of ways.

Wiki defintion below...

***Marking bills is a technique used by police to trace and identify money used in illegal activities.[1][2] The serial numbers of the bills are recorded, and sometimes markings are made on the bank notes themselves (such as with a highlighter[3] or other writing[4]).

Non-law enforcement uses of marking bills may be as simple as distinctive text[5] on the bank notes, or recording serial numbers in the event of a robbery.[6]

My last two sentences were mostly tongue-in-cheek. One would think that the FBI and/or other governmental agency would have had adequate resources to verify that the money was genuine. And would have taken advantage of those resources before jumping to conclusions. If they didn't, it would be more of a travesty than a hoot.

here's an interesting little clip about what happens when people send in damaged or mutilated money.....

http://moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/damagedcurrency.html

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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it is not a portion of the oval around the prez. it's the back of the bill.

Check out the attachment.

I did a couple of graphics looking at the possiblity that the backside of another bill is showing through the hole.

The exact alignment with a $20 over $20 using 1963A series shows one of the columns, one to the left of yours.

The bundle of bills don't seem to be in perfect alignment plus they
are shriveled and are somewhat offset from each other.

I guess there is the possiblity the backside of a another bill is showing through the hole.

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Jo's emails aren't the only things that go "poof" in this case. You do have to start wondering about the stuff that folks say is missing.



Your statement made me laugh and chuckle out loud.

I just do NOT intervene in the money conversation because it doesn't seem important to me. I just remember the 20 in the Symba bank with a name written in red ink - but, I spent it. I didn't know ANYTHING about D.B.Cooper and 20's.

What I did know from the past in 1995 was filed away in my memory banks and I suppose waiting for the flame to be ignited. Had it NOT have been for a male friend 1yr later hearing the story I told about Duane's death - I would NEVER have known who Dan Cooper was. Actually NOT knowing was if I may use the word a Blessing....my life was moving forward. I was dating and having fun.

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TomKaye

More info:

There was a film canister with the film inside that was given to the FBI days after the event. The FBI had to determine which of the bills remained and which were given to Cooper. The canister contained the list of serial numbers in order PLUS a list of the start and stop serial numbers for each bundle. At the end of the film was a list of the start and stop numbers for each bundle that was left in the bank. There were 100 bills exactly per bundle.

The FBI never did any sorting of the bills what so ever from the transcripts. The bank people brought the money to Sea-Tac where the FBI then took it on the plane.

Tom

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If "in-order" refers to alpha-numeric and the FBI was able to determine which serial numbers were left in the bank,

Moreover - there is another element of this tale I can't divulge
that makes this even crazier! This contagion of privilege and
"stupid" must be deep and I am not just making hay here at
Tom's or anyone's expense. This is plain stupid-ridiculous
with a major disconnect in how the world works.

Fact is: the FBI apparently doesn't want to talk about this,
and apparently Tom doesn't either. Tom says the FBI has taken a 'hit' because of Marla and Blevins. Major hit>wont talk>
missing canister> .....

Jo States:
WELL! Georger, what can I say!
You just said some of it and later there will be more that even you and I do not know! The FBI sat on evidence that could have solved the case - Was sitting on evidence by ORDERS or the FBI being inadequate? How about BOTH!

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it is not a portion of the oval around the prez. it's the back of the bill.

Check out the attachment.

I did a couple of graphics looking at the possiblity that the backside of another bill is showing through the hole.

The exact alignment with a $20 over $20 using 1963A series shows one of the columns, one to the left of yours.

The bundle of bills don't seem to be in perfect alignment plus they
are shriveled and are somewhat offset from each other.

I guess there is the possiblity the backside of a another bill is showing through the hole.

I don't believe a bill is in the bundle reversed. see the photo I provided. things match up. some things I'm still trying to figure out.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Tom Kaye posts above that the text in the archives notes that the bills were in random order, and they were recorded that way, with start and stop bills noted for each bundle.


Your next problem would be in verifying that the bills were genuine........
Now think about the possibilities with that and wouldn't that be a hoot....

Again - I got my second laugh and I still have a smile on my face. The money was prepared ahead of time for such an event! WHY? THINK!

That way the stacks had markers so they could trace the money. Seqences of 20's pre-recorded....but, putting in a few Counterfeits would have been a definite advantage! Much easier to spot than working the Serial Numbers.
Just a theory! SURELY NOT! But this could explain the money being set aside for skyjackings and kidnappings.

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Marking bills is a technique used by police to trace and identify money used in illegal activities.[1][2] The serial numbers of the bills are recorded, and sometimes markings are made on the bank notes themselves (such as with a highlighter[3] or other writing[4]).

Non-law enforcement uses of marking bills may be as simple as distinctive text[5] on the bank notes, or recording serial numbers in the event of a robbery.[6]

I expect Cooper may have checked for marked bills. Not all markings are visible to the naked eye. $20 were NOT checked until they made it to the bank. Then they probably had changed hands several times. It would really have been difficult to trace those 20's unless Cooper bought a large ticket item with $20's which I expect he did NOT do.

I am willing to believe he went to VEGAS and passed enough of them very quickly to accumulate some safe money. Might be why Duane said "I cannot go back to Vegas". Knowing his record that could have meant many things! Wonder if FBI was ever notified about a man gambling with 20's or someone making a large purchase with 20's.

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testxyz

If so, that could mean there was tampering with the bundle, because I think the bank could at least manage to bundle all bills face up. (even back then)

From several accounts, the adult Ingrams tried to clean the money and separate it before taking it to the FBI, so you have to allow for handling by them post find. Additionally, we don't know how much handling was done by the FBI in their investigation of the money.

There has been a lot of discussion on the thread about the money over the years - a search on the thread might yield additional pictures and information if you are interested. I think some good high resolution images at one time.

I'm always impressed by this forum's search function as far as returning results on your search string - only drawback is you have to go into each result to see what it is and no way to know which ones have attachments.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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mrshutter45

Ohio. possibly events from 1963 till Jefferson. it should have been one of the first things you did once you found out his background.

NO one has provided anything from 1962 when he was released from Canon until his arrest in 1966 and sent to Jefferson as John Collins. He was running with a woman who also used many names.

Remember this - I can NOT prove I was the widow of John C. Collins.
If you have the records from 1962 to 1966 - SHOOT with them. There was also the missing time unaccounted for when he escaped - that is blank in the 50's There are too many holes and weak spots. THE FBI would NOT provide me with his rap sheet - remember it was tried. YOU got more than anyone else was ever able to get.

Don't forget the time he was gone from the Farm...and that is unaccounted for and not confirmed.

I have recounted the things - from when he was shipped back to CA with letters exchanged by his mother and the authorities - but, you guys used what you found ...I have the letters exchanged with the authorities. I don't have everything - just what the brother sent me in regards to this.

Then we have the time he was supposedly in McNeil and following that. Remember the FBI said he WAS not in McNeil. He was also on some kind of farm program in CA. before being sent to McNeil...between 1943 and late 1944. He goes POOF too many times.

You posted the records you found, but there was holes in them that did NOT work with the PAPERS I had....and the papers exchanged by the mother with the authorities.

Did any of you for one moment think about - what IT was like during his time to be in prison? He spent most of his adult life in prison from the time he was 19 yrs old until he got out of Jefferson.

There IS those yrs between 1962 and 1966 - NO one has found anything. Even the records Mrshutter produced did NOT fill in thos yrs. It is like he when POOF off the face of the earth.

I have explained that about group a very wealth man put together... a group of renegades never convicted of violent crimes, but guys who needed to a second chance. He gave them that second chance and new names - but the things they did for him they could NEVER tell. Some of them did NOT survive their assignment (snitches had a way of coming up missing if they were found out). These guys were given the chance of a llife time - they infiltrated Mafia and Powerful Unions.

If you think a powerful man like this did not exist - then guess again. How the Hell did the CIA work? And the Mafia. Ever think there might be a person in the US powerful enough to form his own underground of snitches to protect the government from itself. How many of you are aware that President Kennedy was WARN there would be an attempt on his life. Was the message ever given to him? Perhaps NOT since he had his wife riding in a convertible with him when he was killed.

Our own government did NOT do what was necessary either because the message never got past the trusted individual it was delivered to or he was part of the problem. This group was there and they were UNARMED because they felt if anything happened they would be the one looked at.

Did any of you see DO NO HARM.
Well, the surgeon walks in and says "Let's get this SHOW on the road". Those writers - I can never get the credits on the end. If it is Scott and Scott - I want to talk to them. The dual personality is interesting...

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skyjack71

***Ohio. possibly events from 1963 till Jefferson. it should have been one of the first things you did once you found out his background.

NO one has provided anything from 1962 when he was released from Canon until his arrest in 1966 and sent to Jefferson as John Collins. He was running with a woman who also used many names.

Remember this - I can NOT prove I was the widow of John C. Collins.
If you have the records from 1962 to 1966 - SHOOT with them. There was also the missing time unaccounted for when he escaped - that is blank in the 50's There are too many holes and weak spots. THE FBI would NOT provide me with his rap sheet - remember it was tried. YOU got more than anyone else was ever able to get.

Don't forget the time he was gone from the Farm...and that is unaccounted for and not confirmed.

I have recounted the things - from when he was shipped back to CA with letters exchanged by his mother and the authorities - but, you guys used what you found ...I have the letters exchanged with the authorities. I don't have everythings - just what the brother sent me in regards to this.

Then we have the time he was supposedly in McNeil and following that. Remember the FBI said he WAS not in McNeil. He was also on some kind of farm program in CA. before being sent to McNeil...between 1943 and late 1944. He gose POOF too many times.


I understand the missing time frames Jo. a complete criminal history is needed to verify his whereabouts from different stages in time. I'm not saying it's the answer to everything, but it's needed. this would also help eliminate the poof that you seem to use when things are not understood.

millions of people have used an alias to cover there past without having some sort Government involvement or cover up. a lot of things that go "poof" are pretty clear once the smoke clears.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I found a serial number that is not on the DB Cooper list.

The serial number came from the show "The SkyJacker that got away"

I believe Tom Kaye, Larry Carr and maybe Blevins was on it.

Picture attached....

[mrshutter45 21]

testxyz

I found a serial number that is not on the DB Cooper list.

The serial number came from the show "The SkyJacker that got away"

I believe Tom Kaye, Larry Carr and maybe Blevins was on it.

Picture attached....

it's possible you found a typo......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I understand the missing time frames Jo. a complete criminal history is needed to verify his whereabouts from different stages in time. I'm not saying it's the answer to everything, but it's needed. this would also help eliminate the poof that you seem to use when things are not understood.

millions of people have used an alias to cover there past without having some sort Government involvement or cover up. a lot of things that go "poof" are pretty clear once the smoke clears.

I will make one more request to the authorities and see what happens, but all I expect is what you guys have seen. I had previously spoke with RECORDS in Missouri and still have the communications. At that time I could NOT get the picture you came up with on intake much less any details about the crime that was committed. The attorneys in the case no longer existed and their file not available.

I received some papers the woman provided me - she was really nice and went over board to assist me at the risk of her job. SHE could NOT get any pictures nor what YOU provide in a way of the list of individuals release about the same time.

The first time I tried Jefferson was still operational under the old standards and I have the email address of the person there I communicated with. After we were promised the records - my guy was turned away and went home empty handed. They have since closed the prison.

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it's possible you found a typo......

Yes, probably a typo on the computer generated bill.

Possibly three SN's in a row? Does not match well with the
other SN's i found

So....I guess these Cooper bills only exist in the cyber world.

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mrshutter45

***I found a serial number that is not on the DB Cooper list.

The serial number came from the show "The SkyJacker that got away"

I believe Tom Kaye, Larry Carr and maybe Blevins was on it.

Picture attached....

Or an unaccounted for $20 slipped through the cracks of the
various accountings?

Here is Tom's version "directly from 'the' FBI documents" he
says:

So you don't waste any more time on this. Directly from the FBI
documents:

"Ransom money in the amount $200,000 was made up entirely of
used, random 20 dollar bills. It was obtained from the
Seattle-First National Bank, Main Office, and was part of a
ransom package of 250,000, which had been maintained by the
bank for such emergencies."

"The entire list of the ransom bills had previously been
microfilmed by the Seattle-First National Bank, and has now been
incorporated in a 34 page pamphlet of ransom bills."

Here is Larry's more detailed version:

"This is a big misunderstanding about the money, it all had to be
manually scanned. Tellers had a bill list of all 10,000 20's and if
someone came in with a boat load they would do a spot check
to see if any of the serials poped up." ... and ...

"The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of
America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as
these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and
serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of
this.

The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a
Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and
handed it over to NWA. The money was bundled in various
counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was
secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared
the money was hastily gathered." ... and

"I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager
and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the
money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their
normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for
shipment. But the bank switched its procedure in this case.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their
circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged
for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped
because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it
came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. " ... and

"Everything was scanned into a microfiche as they assembled
the bundles ..." .... and ...

"The money: The FBI does not provide funds for situations like
these. In this case SeaFirst Bank loaned the money to NWA, who
then repaid SeaFirst in the following days. NWA then submitted a
claim to their insurance company, who fought it, but ended up
paying the claim after a court battle. "

$$$,$$$.$$

The FBI was passive in this whole transaction. It was NWA who
received a "loan" and had to account for it. Apparently, from
what Tom says, the loan was for $250,000 and it was NWA on
the hook who then had to account for which bills were used and
which were not used and were being returned to Sea-First ...
with the FBI assisting in the accounting and verification?

This accounting had to agree with the claim NWA gave to its
insurance agent.

The entire list of the ransom bills given to NWA had previously
been microfilmed by the Seattle-First National Bank. As the
money was placed into bundles at the bank a new microfiche
was made of that list of bundles. The FBI was given a copy of
the bank 'bundles' microfiche in a canister. (Was $250k put into
bundles or just $200K? )

Eventually the FBI compiled a SERIAL list of the bills it said had
been part of the Cooper $200,000, probably using the bank
microfiche of the new Cooper bundles. (Tom says: "has now
been incorporated in a 34 page pamphlet of ransom bills.")

The FBI and at least two other entities would have had to have
had copies of the Sea First 'bundles' microfiche. NWA, and the
bank itself, and later NWA's insurance company and the Court!
That microfiche is evidence not just for the FBI and law
enforcement but for NWA and the bank, and then the insurance
company, and the Court - because this transaction went to trial
when the insurance company at first refused to pay!

So when Tom says the canister is lost ... what about the other
copies and canisters or duplicate paper printouts et cetera? !

Tom few lines of "Directly from the FBI documents" merely
scrapes the surface of this affair. Larry previously described it
as "making my head spin".

This is not to be critical of Tom. I am just saying there is
more to this than a few lines conveys.

More than one player had copies of the bank's 'bundles
microfiche' - in one form or another. That was mandatory for
a host of reasons. Once the matter went to Court, now more
copies are required. So, the loss of one copy/canister cannot be
all that crucial or if it is .... then we have a different kind of
problem! All Tom encountered was a loss of the microfiche at
one source only.

The picture I have is the FBI was passive in this whole matter.
They helped facilitate. The transaction was between Sea-First
and NWA. Then handed off to the FBI to give to Cooper.

Had the FBI captured Cooper at length and then found its
damned canister was missing, does anyone seriously think a
duplicate copy of the microfiche could not have been produced
quickly? Guess again!

Everything is done in triplicate!

This isn't the corner grocery store losing it's broom.

Lastly, what does RANDOM mean in this matter? Used $20s
stockpiled from countless sources ... did the bank actually
use a 'Linquist sorter' to sort the bills by serial number into
a trully random distribution. I doubt that. I think the word
random is relative in this case and the totality of socalled
'random' serial numbers comprising bundles, would not be quite
as random as one thinks, especially if no real effort was made to
randomise; like using Linguist's random sorting machine. . .
which incidently casinos in LasVegas refused to use, because
a casino depends on a non-random predictable distribution of
cards etc... a distribution skewed in favor of, the house.

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I found the connection! I have actually prayed since I saw that Jefferson pic of Weber and the connection has been with me all along.

I do not know how to get a certain pic on the thread with a bunch of other pics. A pic sent to me a long time ago with a woman in it (I cannot post the pics without permission from the other person). A woman I did not recognize - that woman was Duane's mother as a younger woman (I did not realize this until a few moments ago).

A member of another woman's family had a picture of a friend she could not identify and did not know who she was and yet there was a story connecting a member of her family to the Cooper story. We did NOT see what was infront of us all of these yrs.

I had never really looked at the pictures of Duane's mother and the woman in her picture that she did not know who it was. Well, that woman and Duane's mother are one and the same - with a few yrs added into it.

This ties Duane Weber into another story told about another member of a family who had a Cooper connection the FBI has long long ignored. Now we have the connections. We had exchanged emails long ago - but neither of us saw this. Now it is there - why I was allowed to see this at this time - only GOD knows.

I was cleaning up somethings tonight. I did NOT look at pictures of Duane's mother and I did not have younger pics of Duane's mother. I do NOT know why I pulled that pic and put it side by side with the pic of this other woman tonight.

I am waiting for comfirmation from the other party. The FBI has TO HEAR US! THEY have to LISTEN! They have to OPEN their eyes and OPEN their minds.

As I was typing this my computer started talking to me - a voice is reciting my post. What is this all about. This voice is reciting my post.

Is this some kind of NEW technology the thread has added? WHAT is going on?

Maybe it is GOD talking!

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The amount of the money on hand with the bank was 238K not 250. I do not understand the ODD amt of 238, but I got that from Richard Tosaw.

Maybe he was wrong, but that is what he put in his book!

Back to man connected to Duane's family. Flights to and from Alaska - Duane told me this, but I didn't get it. Something about some experiments.

Do not know the time frame - but, the connection is there. This can be filled in by the other party better.

I got the impression it was a small plane, but this man was connected to Boeing in the beginning and he was even working in some kind of capacity at the time of the crime in some technical field. He didn't know the kid brother of his old friend and never made the connection.

But because of this man's connections and his own brother - Duane knew what that plane could do and not do. He needed a little clarification.

Duane's brother had ordered him out of his mothers home in 1958 after he got out of SanQuentin. I think Duane sat in a prison in Jefferson planning this. I think he planned it and prepared for it for a few months before actually doing it. Why he was swimming all the time - and disappearing into N.C. and AL and asked his wife to by him some Dickies (the one piece jumps suit style with buttons or a zipper up the front). I believe Duane started to plan this right after his diagnosis in 1970 or early 1971.

The damn guy who always got caught and whose family had disowned him! A man who had spent most of his adult life in & out of prisons or on the run. This is a man NO one would have missed. Never stayed in one place very long. Couldn't get a decent job. Had been diagnosed with PKD and told he had 5 yrs to live. Get rich or die and get revenge all at one time.

The man I am speaking of knew Duane's brother very well...then there was another connection via Duane's mother - a long ago connection and she had died in 1958 after Duane was released from prison. His father had died in 1956 while he was in prison.
He had a daughter whose mother took her away and who said she never wanted to see him again.

Those trips along the coast line to Bellingham and in BC - I have no idea what they involved other than some kind of testing or delivery of goods. How or why Duane would have been involved other than just this kid who was always in trouble. But this relationship was before he went to McNeil and perhaps after he left McNeil until he got into trouble again.

Yrs later the other man would not even know Weber...and perhaps had forgot about this kid he had known.

Friends of the family who tried to help after Duane got in trouble. It has been right in front of me for several yrs and I just did NOT see it. Now we have connections - can we prove them after all of these yrs. Well, the other parties connections to Boeing are solid and also the thing he spent his life doing.... When the files were being dispursed I should have got on a plane and gone out there, but I was having surgery after surgery...and a the survivor didn't seem too interested.

I might have to sell some things and takes some strong drugs to fly to WA and probably get arrested, buT as soon as I can get the next 3 week out of my why - I am on my way to WA with very little money. I will sit infront of ther office and tell any one who walked by who I am and why I am there. After the FBI hosted Marla surely they can take a couple of say to hear and old woman out and perhaps relatives of this man will also help.

Damn Time and would some one tell me how to turn that little man off who is reciting my posting as I mad it - he is REALLY annoying.

The miracles fo the computer age!
Cooper has been solved righ here right now - it is all over!

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That microfiche is evidence not just for the FBI and law
enforcement but for NWA and the bank, and then the insurance
company, and the Court - because this transaction went to trial
when the insurance company at first refused to pay!

Richard Tosaw, a lawyer and former FBI agent represented the Ingrams in the 1986 Tena Bar money settlement.

I guess, maybe he saw a list other than the alpha-numerically order list.

He also wrote the book "DB Cooper Dead or Alive" published in 1984, which has the list of serial numbers.

Evidently he didn't charge the Ingrams for legal services but was promised a few of the Tena Bar twenties.

Article link below.....

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=q6QyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=m-8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=3433,811106&dq=db+cooper+tosaw+ingram&hl=en