DB Cooper

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You are AWARE that independent Contactors and A.W.A.R.E. were BASE Constructors! Are you AWARE of who built the facilities at AREA 51. The first thing to bring to the forefront was AIRSTRIPS.

Do you know any of the individuals who worked for them! GIVE it all you got. Try these Names:

Dotson
Sweeny
Henderson
Kawaguchi
Turner
Bast
Schewind
Garrity
(Duane knew her and she resided in Irvine,CA. & then later in Mt St. Helens, OR) Deceased.
Best
Hedden
Van Hemert
Anderson
Traven
Barbie Haskell
Lindley
Ford - (really investigate that one)
Goodrick
Baker
Wade
Goodrick
Nickelisen
Scott
Mickey Lewis
Turner
Wade
Neva Streeter (sound familiar)
Chesi
Butler
Morrow
Johnson
Schwind
Marchison
Cleghorn
Nate Hull
Van Buren (familiar)
Kawaguchi

ALL were connected to
A.W.A.R.E.
Air Base Constructors!

I am sure I missed a couple of names.

The assigment for anyone interested in solving this case is - What are ALL of the locations A.W.A.R.E. constructed structures and runways for the military - before the war, during he war and after the war? They constructed such structures in Ramon, Israel for one.

I will check in tonight and see if this has set off directional sensors off with any of you aware of the war efforts and the names of the companies.... you who are military or have knowledge of facililties who contracted with the Air Bases from 1940's to 1960'.

The above repeated post was IGNORED! Well, I left the clues right infront of all of you, but it was a choice the FBI, the Government and the thread made to ignore this connection - I told the FBI about many many yrs ago.

NONE of you in the past seemed to know any thing about some individuals who approached the River Sleuths and asked about some books that were never returned to their relative! Where they Cook Books?

Was the person related to Joan Garrity as she participated in both books and was her spouse or she herself affiliated with A.W.A.R.E.?

Did the books belong to Tina or to another passenger on the plane?

Who on that plane had CONNECTIONS to A.W.A.R.E?

Was there more than one person on that plane connected to A.W.A.R.E.?

If you don't know NOW you will never KNOW!

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Cooper offered Tina $5800.00 or .9667% of THREE BUNDLES
when offering her a tip or money from the bag, or a gratuity, or
in advance payment of . . . Tina's childhood photo from her
photo album at buDop ... and those are the SAME THREE
BUNDLES DUANE THREW INTO THE RIVER IN A PAPER SACK
THAT INGRAM FOUND ON TINE/TENA/TJNA BAR. I agree!

Hey, Georger I am NOT part of that equation. You incorportated me by stating anything about the childhood photo or BuDop! Leave JO out of the equation.

Message from a long time Cooper investigator who has talked
extensively with the FBI: Quote:

"I don't like to get involved ..., but the three bundles of $20's
one poster keeps talking about, allegedly given by Coop to the
stews, , is a bunch of bunk. I interviewed all three gals,
Schaffner, Mucklow and Hancock. None of that happened. The
socalled three bundles at Tina Bar has nothing to do with any
offer Cooper made to the stews or monies he offered them."

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Here is a link to three pictures from inside Cooper plane in January of 1972. One picture shows a guy on the aft stairs with a helmet on ready to jump.

http://www.washingtonhistory.org/search.aspx?q=db+cooper

Digital photograph showing the interior passenger cabin, towards the rear of the Boeing 727 aircraft hijacked by DB Cooper on Nov. 24, 1971 (aircraft ID number N467US). Orginal photo taken while aircraft was in flight, January 6, 1972. On this date, a flight test originated from the airfield to recreate the jump from a 727 in flight made by Dan Cooper, aka DB Cooper, on Nov. 24, 1971. The test was part of the FBI's investigation of the Cooper hijacking, to try and determine the search area for the hijacker. Visible in this image are three US Air Force personnel and one unidentified employee of Northwest Airlines, preparing a weighted sled with a parachute, to recreate the escape of the hijacker by parachute out the rear airstair of the Boeing 727.

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Message from a long time Cooper investigator who has talked
extensively with the FBI:

Over the weekend I manage to round up 15 serial numbers off the net from the nearly 300 serial numbers found at Tena Bar. About a 5% sample.

From the limited number, it appears a pattern developed.

The FBI published 33 pages of Serial numbers with about 300 serial
number per each page.

Each page is numbered. The bills are listed in Alpha-Numeric Serial number order.

What's interesting is how the 15 sample serial numbers fall within the list.

I found serial numbers for Pages

2,4,6,10 -18- 24,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33

There were no serial numbers for pages

1,3,5,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,26

Page 18 being the only page in the middle range of serial numbers.

This unscientific study suggest the bundles at Tena Bar were disportionately bundled either from the Lower range of serial numbers
or the higher end. (with twice as many from the higher range).

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GEORGER STATED THE STATEMENT BELOW - NOT JO WEBER. GEORGER YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT YOUR QUOTE THING, BECAUSE YOU MADE IT LOOK LIKE I MADE THE STATEMENT BELOW!

"Cooper offered Tina $5800.00 or .9667% of THREE BUNDLES
when offering her a tip or money from the bag, or a gratuity, or
in advance payment of . . . Tina's childhood photo from her
photo album at buDop ... and those are the SAME THREE
BUNDLES DUANE THREW INTO THE RIVER IN A PAPER SACK
THAT INGRAM FOUND ON TINE/TENA/TJNA BAR. I agree!"

Jo Weber did NOT make the above statement - it was you who made the statement.

Jo Weber did make the statement below:
"Hey, Georger I am NOT part of that equation. You incorportated me by stating anything about the childhood photo or BuDop! Leave JO out of the equation."

Now why you posted:
Georger stated:
"Message from a long time Cooper investigator who has talked
extensively with the FBI"

"I don't like to get involved ..., but the three bundles of $20's
one poster keeps talking about, allegedly given by Coop to the
stews, , is a bunch of bunk. I interviewed all three gals,
Schaffner, Mucklow and Hancock. None of that happened. The
socalled three bundles at Tina Bar has nothing to do with any
offer Cooper made to the stews or monies he offered them."

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Jo States:
Just encase U are a little confused here - Jo has never maintained the 3 bundles had anything to do with the stewardess. The money at Tena's BAR I think was SYMBOLIC on the part of Cooper - and you are right - it had ZERO to do with the money offered to the stewardess.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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testxyz

Here is a link to three pictures from inside Cooper plane in January of 1972. One picture shows a guy on the aft stairs with a helmet on ready to jump.

http://www.washingtonhistory.org/search.aspx?q=db+cooper

Digital photograph showing the interior passenger cabin, towards the rear of the Boeing 727 aircraft hijacked by DB Cooper on Nov. 24, 1971 (aircraft ID number N467US). Orginal photo taken while aircraft was in flight, January 6, 1972. On this date, a flight test originated from the airfield to recreate the jump from a 727 in flight made by Dan Cooper, aka DB Cooper, on Nov. 24, 1971. The test was part of the FBI's investigation of the Cooper hijacking, to try and determine the search area for the hijacker. Visible in this image are three US Air Force personnel and one unidentified employee of Northwest Airlines, preparing a weighted sled with a parachute, to recreate the escape of the hijacker by parachute out the rear airstair of the Boeing 727.

nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out.

here is a picture of the team put together for the testing.


Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I had worked for NW at the time of the DB Cooper hijacking of the NW 727. I was working that evening in the regional flight office. My boss at the time was the Chief Pilot, I believe it was Al Lee. I recall listening to the conversations between the pilot and the ground as the entire event unfolded. As I told Cherry the other day, and to this day I do not often tell the story, because most when told the story look at me with disbelief. Two weeks following the hijacking I was working in the terminal. I was approached by a guy who asked for directions to the NW flight to Honolulu. Flight 87. I took his ticket noticing three things that we were trained to be "red flags". A one way ticket, paid in cash, and no luggage to check. Also, I had seen the composite sketch of DB, and this fellow very much resembled the composite.

After the fellow had left me I contacted my supervisor telling him that I thought that DB was heading toward the Honolulu flight. He seemed not too interested in what I was telling me and then asked me to go to board the flight to Alaska. Around noon time I was having lunch with the Sky Marshal who had been stationed at the Honolulu flight. I asked him if he saw the guy who looked like DB. He said that he had and that he had showed him the composite of DB and asked him if he was that guy. The guy told him, no, and the fellow was allowed to board the flight. Somewhere along the way the FBI was notified I do understand.

A day passed and I was asked to meet with two FBI agents in the NW Top Flight Lounge. The agents showed me the composite what they thought Cooper looked like and asked me if that was the guy that I had met the previous day? I told them it was and then I asked them what had happened to the guy. The agents told me that FBI people had met the flight on its arrival in Honolulu but after searching the plane and passengers they concluded that he did not arrive in Honolulu. A big mystery to this day. What happened to the guy from the time that the Sky Marshal encountered him and hr boarded the flight to Honolulu? A flight that he never arrived there on. I have a few theories on it but we will never know what really happened.

Thanks
Norm Harris

PDF from WSHS

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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The socalled three bundles at Tina Bar has nothing to do with any
offer Cooper made to the stews or monies he offered them."

HOLY COW...

Cooper offers Tina one bundle of cash.

In the later half of 1976 several newpapers print
all the Cooper serial numbers (3 Bundles per page)

About 3 years later 3 Bundles found at Tena/Tina Bar.

Tina becomes a Nun.

IT'S A MIRACLE!!!! I tell you, IT'S A MIRACLE!!!

Newspapers printing 3 Bundles per page attached (From FBI file)

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Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

Well that should clear up the fact (if anyone has doubts) that Dan Cooper didn't write his name on the ticket.

Now we have the problem of....

The 3 Bundle Enigma.

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mrshutter45

I had worked for NW at the time of the DB Cooper hijacking of the NW 727. I was working that evening in the regional flight office. My boss at the time was the Chief Pilot, I believe it was Al Lee. I recall listening to the conversations between the pilot and the ground as the entire event unfolded. As I told Cherry the other day, and to this day I do not often tell the story, because most when told the story look at me with disbelief.

Two weeks following the hijacking I was working in the terminal. I was approached by a guy who asked for directions to the NW flight to Honolulu. Flight 87. I took his ticket noticing three things that we were trained to be "red flags". A one way ticket, paid in cash, and no luggage to check. Also, I had seen the composite sketch of DB, and this fellow very much resembled the composite.

After the fellow had left me I contacted my supervisor telling him that I thought that DB was heading toward the Honolulu flight. He seemed not too interested in what I was telling me and then asked me to go to board the flight to Alaska. Around noon time I was having lunch with the Sky Marshal who had been stationed at the Honolulu flight. I asked him if he saw the guy who looked like DB. He said that he had and that he had showed him the composite of DB and asked him if he was that guy. The guy told him, no, and the fellow was allowed to board the flight. Somewhere along the way the FBI was notified I do understand.

A day passed and I was asked to meet with two FBI agents in the NW Top Flight Lounge. The agents showed me the composite what they thought Cooper looked like and asked me if that was the guy that I had met the previous day? I told them it was and then I asked them what had happened to the guy.

The agents told me that FBI people had met the flight on its arrival in Honolulu but after searching the plane and passengers they concluded that he did not arrive in Honolulu. A big mystery to this day. What happened to the guy from the time that the Sky Marshal encountered him and hr boarded the flight to Honolulu? A flight that he never arrived there on. I have a few theories on it but we will never know what really happened.

Thanks
Norm Harris

PDF from WSHS

WOW! Finally a story that has never been told. How do you make all of the connections? I did divide your post off into paragraphs so people like me could see the impact of this. There are other stories out there I am sure NO ONE has heard outside of the FBI.

Was very interesting!

Bet this. Cooper got scared, but where was he for 2 wks. Perhaps some place healing his wounds and getting the dye out of his hair.
I bet unbeknowest to the man a woman lurked in the background. They ended up on a flight or in a car to CA. What was unclear was if the man worked in Sea Tac or PDX.
Can you find the answer to that question...? Sure wish there had been cameras in the terminals and the same woman may have been lurking in the background at a Motel in Portland the night before the crime.

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The socalled three bundles at Tina Bar has nothing to do with any
offer Cooper made to the stews or monies he offered them."

HOLY COW...

Cooper offers Tina one bundle of cash.

In the later half of 1976 several newpapers print
all the Cooper serial numbers (3 Bundles per page)

About 3 years later 3 Bundles found at Tena/Tina Bar.

Tina becomes a Nun.

IT'S A MIRACLE!!!! I tell you, IT'S A MIRACLE!!!

Newspapers printing 3 Bundles per page attached (From FBI file)

Another Story I was unware of. Was the story carried in the South? Cooper selects Tena's bar because of his knowledge of the area and he chose 3 bundles to deposit there. This seems like more than a co-incidence.
Cooper knew the money would probably be found - and the authorities would think he was dead or was the placing of the money there a tribute to someone else....someone Cooper knew! I do not expect he linked Tena's bar to Tina so I would disregard any thoughts in that direction.

WHY did Cooper choose Tena's bar?
Answer that question and perhaps one might discover the answers to many other questions.

Since Weber knew where Tena's bar was and told me about they used to put a nickel in the box to use the beach....but, who did he spend time with on that beach. The Boys or a good friend?

Would be interesting if there were any old archived pictures of guests who went to Tena's bar AFTER it was know as Tena's bar and when the coin box was put up. Date the Coin Box and put a time stamp on Cooper's knowledge of the area.

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Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

Well that should clear up the fact (if anyone has doubts) that Dan Cooper didn't write his name on the ticket.

Now we have the problem of....

The 3 Bundle Enigma.

XYZ - seems like everyone is focused on producing new information and actually trying to solve this damn thing.

I attribute the recent progress of this thread to the fact that another poster is not here prosthelizing a book. You will also note my postings are providing informative and shooting straight from the hip. I am not selling anything - all though I have a story that needs to re-examined. I have found nothing that changes my mind and much of what is going on re-affirms my thoughts.

My purpose is to expose my subject and find out more about him - not to SELL him to the public. I believe most of you know that to be true....show me the proof my subject was NOT Cooper and you will find me sitting on the side lines.

If the FBI had any information to discredit my subject - they would have produce DOCUMENTATION of such a LONG long time ago. Any exclusions cannot be based on prints or dna the FBI "thinks" belonged to Cooper, but documentation that proves a subject could not be Cooper.

Prints and DNA are questionable since the FBI does NOT know whose DNA or prints they have....they have never been able to verify the particial prints or the dna in their possession are Coopers.

DNA was not even considered in 1971 and only after the fact from an article which had been handled & contaminated. This information is not a factor at this time....until they prove the DNA and Prints positively belonged to Cooper.

The site from which the supposed prints where taken - the FBI has stated they could have been prints there since the plane was built or from someone working on the plane at times.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

Well that should clear up the fact (if anyone has doubts) that Dan Cooper didn't write his name on the ticket.

Now we have the problem of....

The 3 Bundle Enigma.

G states:

Three bundles seems to be a Psychological Hurdle, brought on
by people looking for Jesus in the Toast while traveling in the
desert on 3 camels!

There is no cosmological or real-world significance about 2.67
bundles, supposed, outside of the fact it was the largest single group of money found on Tina Bar in 1980.

It quite obviously was a remnant after nine years of the money
being in nature.

No coping required!

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G states:

Three bundles seems to be a Psychological Hurdle, brought on
by people looking for Jesus in the Toast while traveling in the
desert on 3 camels! O'Bam'A has three syllables! Havent you
noticed that everything comes in threes - its a basic pattern in
nature. The circle, the triangle, and the square. See there are THREE!

All nouns in all langauges are based on three consonants! Its
based in neurology and idetifies us as descendents of Kisi Mu.
Who came from Vega.

It has been a known fact since the beginning that Cooper did NOT write the name on the ticket!

Comes in 3's? What does that have to do with Cooper? Just more trivia!

1. The Spokane arrest on Weber prior to 1950.
2. The Prison photo concealed from Jo for 17 yrs.
3. Kaye's unusual statement of recent - or will one say he mispoke?

NOW WHAT! Is the circle completed?
Far from it. When the FBI acknowledges they missed the John Collins driver's license that Duane ACTUALLY obtain under the name of John Collins in 1990 - and the purpose for which he HAD to obtain that drivers license. He risked being arrested to get that license. The FBI missed the reciept that was in the wallet that proved he did obtain the license just prior to that in another counnty in FL.

How and Why did the FBI miss this important detail? They made copies of all of the "stuff".

Agent Carr was informed of this and was told it would take some kind of Fedederal Warrant to obtain the information on the safe deposit box.

Duane opened that box in 1980 after the money was found and feared I might connect all of this. Remember we made the WA trip in the early fall of 1979.

The box was paid forward for 10 yrs. He knew if he was going to collect the "stuff" in that box he had to do it by March of 1990. That is what he did!
He risked everything to collect his momentos....the things I have described over the yrs. The mouse, the ticket, the stub, what was left of the money and his pride.

From 1990 those things where in my home in 1995, but the DUMB BROAD didn't understand what he was telling her...."I'mmm Dan Cooper!"

Was he just the man on the ground or was he really DAN COOPER?

"Oh, F---! Let it die with me!"

We were married for 17 yrs and I have fought his battle for over 17 yrs and I am very very tired. The truths he spoke will now die with me or will they?

Like the song he sang to me on our Wedding night March 27, 1978.
You'll Never Know If You Don't Know Now!

Perhaps this is NOT about Cooper and the 1971 Skyjacking - just the end of a LONG love story!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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It quite obviously was a remnant after nine years of the money
being in nature.

They don't make rubberbands like they use to. ;)

The bundles were randomized per Ckret.

Did the FBI or whoever Randomize the money within the bundles make a list of the Randomized money Serial number makeup within each bundle?

It would seem to be prudent as one can track Cooper spending of the money if the 20's got spent. Like..... is he spending one bundle at a time?

If there is a list of how the 20's were randomized within each bundle.....does the Tena bar bundles match the FBI list of randomized bundle makeups?

Who knows? As far I know Ckret never said. They wanted it to look like a rush job. They had time to make a list.

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Prints and DNA are questionable since the FBI does NOT know whose DNA or prints they have....they have never been able to verify the particial prints or the dna in their possession are Coopers.

What if they still have the cig butts? That DNA would be Cooper's.

I think the FBI knows more than they are telling us about the DNA sources and sample quality.

It would explain why they investigate no further when a suspect is ruled out by DNA.

If a savvy suspect believed that all the FBI had was a partial sample and had lost the butts, then he would give a requested sample without much worry.

Wouldn't matter if his DNA didnt rule him out. Loss of defintive samples from the cig butts would preclude a succesful prosecution unless the suspect was caught with a stash of hot numbered twenties.

The FBI makes mistakes but they have some very sharp agents. It is usually a mistake to underestimate their intelligence and resourcefulness.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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It quite obviously was a remnant after nine years of the money
being in nature.

They don't make rubberbands like they use to. ;)

The bundles were randomized per Ckret.

Did the FBI or whoever Randomize the money within the bundles make a list of the Randomized money Serial number makeup within each bundle?

It would seem to be prudent as one can track Cooper spending of the money if the 20's got spent. Like..... is he spending one bundle at a time?

If there is a list of how the 20's were randomized within each bundle.....does the Tena bar bundles match the FBI list of randomized bundle makeups?

Who knows? As far I know Ckret never said. They wanted it to look like a rush job. They had time to make a list.

" They had time to make a list."

everyone sing along......he's making a list, checking it twice....sorry...had to do it

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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It quite obviously was a remnant after nine years of the money
being in nature.

They don't make rubberbands like they use to. ;)

The bundles were randomized per Ckret.

Did the FBI or whoever Randomize the money within the bundles make a list of the Randomized money Serial number makeup within each bundle?

No, no, and no (for the millionth time). Its been said before:
they were in a rush. Rush means "hurry", means "late and running
out of time to get the money to the airport to meet Cooper's
demand..". They means "bank people. Ckret talked to the person
who put the money into bundles with rubber bands.

His name is _______________ consult with Tom Kaye, Jerry
Thomas, RobertMBlevins, or Jo Weber, or CopTime33Warp22@
Pluto.com

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mrshutter45

nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out.

here is a picture of the team put together for the testing.

Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages

Re: Email stating "Hal Mount, the agent who checked him in"

I might be mistaken but I believe the following to be accurate based on historical and recent accounts...

Hal "Williams", was the gate agent, not the ticket agent. The ticket agent was Dennis Lysne.

Not calling anyone out - I realize that it's been a long time and names can be forgotten ....and lots of people think Hal Williams was the ticket agent. From everything that I've read, he was not.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out.

here is a picture of the team put together for the testing.

Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages

Re: Email stating "Hal Mount, the agent who checked him in"

I might be mistaken but I believe the following to be accurate based on historical and recent accounts...

Hal "Williams", was the gate agent, not the ticket agent. The ticket agent was Dennis Lysne.

Not calling anyone out - I realize that it's been a long time and names can be forgotten ....and lots of people think Hal Williams was the ticket agent. From everything that I've read, he was not.


I noticed that as well. the main part I was trying to show was the fact of the passengers not writing the tickets. was wondering when someone would pick that up. I always want to say Hank Williams


what did you think about the Norm Harris story????

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out.

here is a picture of the team put together for the testing.

Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages

Re: Email stating "Hal Mount, the agent who checked him in"

I might be mistaken but I believe the following to be accurate based on historical and recent accounts...

Hal "Williams", was the gate agent, not the ticket agent. The ticket agent was Dennis Lysne.

Not calling anyone out - I realize that it's been a long time and names can be forgotten ....and lots of people think Hal Williams was the ticket agent. From everything that I've read, he was not.

According to this article, Hall Williams was the Ticket Agent.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=128759;

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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EVickiW

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nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out.

here is a picture of the team put together for the testing.

Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages

Re: Email stating "Hal Mount, the agent who checked him in"

I might be mistaken but I believe the following to be accurate based on historical and recent accounts...

Hal "Williams", was the gate agent, not the ticket agent. The ticket agent was Dennis Lysne.

Not calling anyone out - I realize that it's been a long time and names can be forgotten ....and lots of people think Hal Williams was the ticket agent. From everything that I've read, he was not.

According to this article, Hall Williams was the Ticket Agent.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=128759;

It says he was the "ticket agent at the gate". I think that's the person that checks/takes the boarding passes or tickets at the gate. But my understanding is the one that sold the ticket (and probably wrote the name) was Dennis Lysne. I will post a source if I get a chance tonight.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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they were in a rush. Rush means "hurry", means "late and running
out of time to get the money to the airport

I went back and read the Ckret comment again and your right.

I'm up to 17 serial numbers and a odd pattern has developed.

My take from Gray book is the bank stored the bills in $2000 bundles with paper wraps.

It would seem logical to presume the bank bundled the bills in Alpha-Numeric order as listed on the microfiche. Afterall this money was set aside for an occassion like a hijacking.

Having said that.....the 17 serial numbers I have come across
are found in 17 different bundles, if they were once arrange alpha-numerically like I think.

17 different serial numbers from 17 different bundles out of 100 bundles.

It appears the bank unwrapped all the bills, then shuffled and mixed all
of them as much as they could, then put rubberbands on them.

Tena bar money distribution chart attached.

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they were in a rush. Rush means "hurry", means "late and running
out of time to get the money to the airport

I went back and read the Ckret comment again and your right.

I'm up to 18 serial numbers and a odd pattern has developed.

My take from Gray book is the bank stored the bills in $2000 bundles with paper wraps.

It would seem logical to presume the bank bundled the bills in Alpha-Numeric order as listed on the microfiche. Afterall this money was set aside for an occassion like a hijacking.

Having said that.....the 18 serial numbers I have come across
are found in 18 different bundles, if they were once arrange alpha-numerically like I think.

18 different serial numbers from 18 different bundles out of 100 bundles.

It appears they unwrapped all the bills then shuffled and mixed all
of them as much as they could, then put rubberbands on them.

It would be just as likely, however, that the numbers on the list were sorted later by one of those FBI secretaries that now wishes he/she'd never bitched about having to redact all day.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out.

here is a picture of the team put together for the testing.

Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS

WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages

Re: Email stating "Hal Mount, the agent who checked him in"

I might be mistaken but I believe the following to be accurate based on historical and recent accounts...

Hal "Williams", was the gate agent, not the ticket agent. The ticket agent was Dennis Lysne.

Not calling anyone out - I realize that it's been a long time and names can be forgotten ....and lots of people think Hal Williams was the ticket agent. From everything that I've read, he was not.

According to this article, Hall Williams was the Ticket Agent.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=128759;

It says he was the "ticket agent at the gate". I think that's the person that checks/takes the boarding passes or tickets at the gate. But my understanding is the one that sold the ticket (and probably wrote the name) was Dennis Lysne. I will post a source if I get a chance tonight.

I found these postings about Lynse from the first thread. JackWilson scribes a page from Himmelsbach's book. See url.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2945865#2945865

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs