MeyerLouie 5 #39551 April 22, 2013 Quote Quote I don't believe in conspiracy theories without solid proof. Blevins, If there is "solid proof", then it's not a "theory". It's a "fact". Robert99 __________________________________________________ This is what I mean by your "flawed logic," Blevins. Think! MeyerLouyie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #39552 April 22, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote I don't believe in conspiracy theories without solid proof. Blevins, If there is "solid proof", then it's not a "theory". It's a "fact". Robert99 __________________________________________________ This is what I mean by your "flawed logic," Blevins. Think! MeyerLouyie Asked and answered. See first post for this page. Made it pretty clear, I think. yes you did, you now claim to believe in little green men over human beings possibly covering up more than one shooter, or the Government taking part in something illegal. not that I believe them either, but we have unanswered questions in all 3 IMO. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39553 April 22, 2013 Quote Georger says in part: Quote 'Well let me NOT ramble then, Your Pompous Sophistry. You since coming here have not evidenced one whit that you even KNOW what a conspiracy theory is, much less avoided using them! You claim associations that don't even exist except in your tactics. You then claim associations are fact and cause! Then you have the audacity to say: "I never said that."...' I don't believe in conspiracy theories without solid proof. The rest of your comments are pretty non-specific, and dance around the edges of THIS again. If you are speaking about Christiansen, the report is available and that's the best I have to say on that. There is nothing more to add. You make it difficult to be nice, you know...all those comments. You 'dont believe in conspiracy theories without solid proof'! Do you believe in solid proof without conspiracy theories? It appears from your work that 'solid proof' and 'conspiracy' is one-and-the-same! Specifically, you elevate 'anecdote' to the level of global evidence and proof. Blevins, you are an undisciplined mind. Thus the tag: SHAM WOW. You try to wallow out of that by saying its a personal thing. It's not personal. It's just a fact. Like a camel is not a light bulb! That kind of fact. Maybe you lack of humility and arrogance are a clue? You never take the time to learn anything - you already KNOW in a big way. Then a struggle ensues with people trying to convince 'camels are not light bulbs' ........ then you shuffle back after a monumental battle with all kinds of personal jabs from you and you say: "I never said THAT". Well yes you did. My feeling is you're just a willfully rebellious resistant personality, incapable of learning or doing constructive mental work, and don't care The lack of knowledge and discipline using knowledge follows ... like crack smoking leads to vascular constriction. Cause and effect. And you are too old to change or mess with. You are a statistic. Have a nice life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #39554 April 22, 2013 The Forum Rules: No personal attacks. Quote My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning or doing constructive mental work. Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 55 #39555 April 22, 2013 Quote EDIT: There is ONE 'conspiracy theory' that I wonder might be true. Just one. And that's Roswell. Blevins, The "flying saucer" craze started about 1947 when a private pilot in Washington State claimed that he has seen several while flying along a mountain range. Within a week or two, everyone was seeing those things throughout the USA. A couple of years ago, one of the science cable TV channels did a thorough study of that original 1947 sighting. The conclusion of their experts was that the original sighting could not have happened as claimed. If some qualified scientists had been consulted in 1947, the country might have been spared all the UFO nonsense of the last 65 years. But other people have their own agenda, such as cashing in on the gullible. About the time Amazon and I were at WPAFB, OH, some UFO expert on the east coast, who was heading to a UFO believers conference in OH, claimed that the USAF had five dead little green men in a refrigerator at WPAFB and even gave a building number. But the closer he got to OH, the more he hedged his bets. And he didn't even want to discuss the subject when he got to OH. And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39556 April 22, 2013 Quote The Forum Rules: No personal attacks. Quote My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning or doing constructive mental work. Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious... Yea right. A little hypocritical isn't it! Jim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #39557 April 22, 2013 Quote And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting. Robert99 Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39558 April 22, 2013 Quote Quote And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting. Robert99 Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 377 A kid I grew up with and went through Physics with wound up the director of Project Bluebook. Every time I would see the sob after our college years I would ask when he was going to Venus! He would laugh and say: "Can;t talk about it. It's classified"! That guy wound up a Sr VP in the Chase Manhattan Bank! Then worked with the British Govt.as an economist reorganising their power industry ... Now I'm here doing DB Cooper and he copies this website every now and then and will email with barbs I can;t repeat. He is a huge fan of Blevins and Airtwardo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #39559 April 22, 2013 Quote Quote Quote And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting. Robert99 Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 377 A kid I grew up with and went through Physics with wound up the director of Project Bluebook. Every time I would see the sob after our college years I would ask when he was going to Venus! He would laugh and say: "Can;t talk about it. It's classified"! That guy wound up a Sr VP in the Chase Manhattan Bank! Then worked with the British Govt.as an economist reorganising their power industry ... Now I'm here doing DB Cooper and he copies this website every now and then and will email with barbs I can;t repeat. He is a huge fan of Blevins and Airtwardo! Of course he is! He's obviously smart & successful... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39560 April 22, 2013 Quote perhaps I should try and get Duane's criminal history, it's a shame it would have to be done this way jo. personally, I think you are scared of the truth Jo, that's my opinion you have been asked several times by 377 to just put the cards on the table like everyone else does, after looking back into the thread, dozens have asked the same thing. They wiil come out when the FBI talks to me about them - face to face. If the FBI does NOT step up to the plate with certain things they have held back on the the records I have will be made public, BUT not in this thread! Quote don't ya think 17 years is long enough to hold things back? NO, I believe I hold an ACE and I will play it when I am ready. I will do that in a very public way - something I never wanted to have to do. If the FBI has proof Duane Weber was NOT Cooper the FBI needs to played their cards now. The records are as I have stated and these records existed before I ever went public. The list that Carr posted - which is supposedly a complete list - does NOT jive with the records of old....actual records of the day.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #39561 April 23, 2013 Quote don't ya think 17 years is long enough to hold things back? Quote NO, I believe I hold an ACE and I will play it when I am ready. I will do that in a very public way - something I never wanted to have to do. If the FBI has proof Duane Weber was NOT Cooper the FBI needs to played their cards now. Jo, This obstinate strategy will insure that you take your ACES to the grave. Is there poker after death? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #39562 April 23, 2013 Jo, the FBI owes you nothing, they don't have to prove anything to you, or anyone else for that matter. you once again demand proof from them, and yet you feel you don't have to prove nothing to us? "Thank You for your inquiry. Yes, we are aware of the webpage and its forum you mention. No, there have been no leads from it that are pertinent to the case. Yes, the Case is still an open and active case. There are no "front runners" as you mention, for a viable suspect. It is true, we have had to apply our resources to more pressing and current cases, like the recent news you mention. I will not go into details with you, but will agree with your assessment that the individuals you mentioned have not been helpful in solving the case and have had us moving in the wrong direction many times." this is what they call....checkmate I believe????? I think even if they found Cooper and someone involved. I doubt that would stop you either............"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #39563 April 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting. Robert99 Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 377 A kid I grew up with and went through Physics with wound up the director of Project Bluebook. Every time I would see the sob after our college years I would ask when he was going to Venus! He would laugh and say: "Can;t talk about it. It's classified"! That guy wound up a Sr VP in the Chase Manhattan Bank! Then worked with the British Govt.as an economist reorganising their power industry ... Now I'm here doing DB Cooper and he copies this website every now and then and will email with barbs I can;t repeat. He is a huge fan of Blevins and Airtwardo! Which one was your pal G? 2.1 The Captain Ruppelt era 2.1.1 Robertson panel 2.1.2 Aftermath of Robertson panel 2.2 The Captain Hardin era 2.3 The Captain Gregory era 2.4 The Major Friend era 2.5 The Major Quintanilla era 2.6 The Condon Committee 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #39564 April 23, 2013 I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire? Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery. I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box. The T Bar money drives me nuts. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #39565 April 23, 2013 "The T Bar money drives me nuts." I bet it whispers to you at night.....I have a secret and I'm not telling.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39566 April 23, 2013 Quote I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire? Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery. I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box. The T Bar money drives me nuts. 377 When Cooper put that money there it was a salute to an old friend or just disposing of useless money - little did he know he perpetrated a legend that would out live him. When the money was found and he learned the money was traceable - he hit the high road or was it the low road? He was prepared at that time to sacrifice all he loved to keep his freedom. Well, the media died down and he went on with his life until the books came out in the mid 1980's. By then he knew his time on this earth was limited. He made a trip to retrive what was left in a safe deposit at a great risk of being found out - but he knew his time was limited - so what he had was his insurance (what was left of the money he had tucked away). What he needed now was a means to WASH the remaining money and selling old stuff thru a shop was the perfect setting. No one was looking for Cooper money and most of it had been WASHED at the Casino's. He was free and he wasn't dying in a prison. We often think we are immortal and he waited too late to reveal what he had done - he tired thru the morphine and even refused medication to be able to communicate with his wife. She just did NOT get it - He cursed the situation - Oh! Fuck! Let it die with me! SHE wasn't getting it she didn't understand! He thought she would find what he left in the VAN, but she just didn't get it!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39567 April 23, 2013 Quote The Forum Rules: No personal attacks. Quote My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning or doing constructive mental work. Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious... I think its BULL syndrome... certain people see a post by Jo or Blevens and its like waving the red cape.... their eyes fill with red and civility goes out the door. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39568 April 23, 2013 Quote I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire? Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery. I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box. The T Bar money drives me nuts. 377 Not outside box thinking at all ... outside the box thinking would include Leonard Euler's harmonic resonance theorems explaining thermodynamics in 1746, then turning around and saying the derivation must be 'particulate'! (statistical). Newtonian wave mechanics was dominating everyone's thoughts at the time. By 1900 the theory had become quantum mechanics. What makes anyone believe the Tena Bar money requires some extra-ordinary solution? Maybe 'that' expectation is the problem. Here's another example of out of the box thinking: AJ Clemente from Boston makes his TV news anchor debut in Mormon Utah by saying: "Hi folks. I'm used to thinking I'm from the east coast'" They fired him, poor guy. The Ingrams did not plant the Tena Bar money! If they did where did 'they' get it ?! They did try to keep several 'souvenirs' but we will glide by that - Not open for discussion this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39569 April 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Quote And in fact, there are some natural weather factors that can explain the original 1947 sighting. Robert99 Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 377 A kid I grew up with and went through Physics with wound up the director of Project Bluebook. Every time I would see the sob after our college years I would ask when he was going to Venus! He would laugh and say: "Can;t talk about it. It's classified"! That guy wound up a Sr VP in the Chase Manhattan Bank! Then worked with the British Govt.as an economist reorganising their power industry ... Now I'm here doing DB Cooper and he copies this website every now and then and will email with barbs I can;t repeat. He is a huge fan of Blevins and Airtwardo! Which one was your pal G? 2.1 The Captain Ruppelt era 2.1.1 Robertson panel 2.1.2 Aftermath of Robertson panel 2.2 The Captain Hardin era 2.3 The Captain Gregory era 2.4 The Major Friend era 2.5 The Major Quintanilla era 2.6 The Condon Committee 377 It's classified. Every attempt (by any of us) to get him to talk about Project Bluebook (among friends informally) failed. "It's classified". I was simultaneously pissed and proud of him. The only person I ever knew who took UFO's half seriously was Carl Sagan, not because he believed in them but because he wanted to get to the bottom of them. Try: Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN 1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998 by Emerson-Adams Press) I highly recommend this book, above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39570 April 23, 2013 Quote Quote The Forum Rules: No personal attacks. Quote My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning or doing constructive mental work. Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious... I think its BULL syndrome... certain people see a post by Jo or Blevens and its like waving the red cape.... their eyes fill with red and civility goes out the door. Ja, there is a lot of BULL going on around here. Have you seen any UFO's ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #39571 April 23, 2013 Quote Quote Quote The Forum Rules: No personal attacks. Quote My feeling is you're just a prick, incapable of learning or doing constructive mental work. Just makin' sure you comprehend the obvious... I think its BULL syndrome... certain people see a post by Jo or Blevens and its like waving the red cape.... their eyes fill with red and civility goes out the door. Ja, there is a lot of BULL going on around here. Have you seen any UFO's ? wasn't Cooper a UFO......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39572 April 23, 2013 Never seen a UFO.. never seen bigfoot....never seen a ghost..Never saw DB... and I ain't goin lookin either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #39573 April 23, 2013 G recommended reading Quote Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN 1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998 by Emerson-Adams Press) Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing. I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof. QSL? DE 377 QRZ2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #39574 April 23, 2013 Quote G recommended reading Quote Intelligent Life in the Universe, I.S. Shklovskii coauthor C. Sagan, Random House, 1966, ISBN 1-892803-02-X, 509 pgs (note: republished in 1998 by Emerson-Adams Press) Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing. I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof. QSL? DE 377 QRZ Hang in there...it's only what 100,000 light years to the other side of our neighborhood? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 258 #39575 April 23, 2013 Quote Never seen a UFO.. never seen bigfoot....never seen a ghost..Never saw DB... and I ain't goin lookin either. me either - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
