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Don't know how much good this does. I can't read most of it, but it's some weather data from the week of November 22-28, 1971. Taken from US Weather Service, a djvu extension file converted to four manageable PDF's. Each page was originally near 20mb. If you think you need the originals, I would have to email all eight pages one at a time or figure another method, such as FTP.
I thought about sharpening these up and converting to black and white, but maybe color is needed to read it, so I left it alone. My opinion is that printing these up will get better results than onscreen viewing, although you will have to increase the dpi resolution to 150dpi to get a better view. I can probably do this if anyone is interested. I have no idea if these maps provide any significant Cooper-related data or not.
If there are one or two certain pages that anyone would like to have enlarged/enhanced, I just need to know which one, and whether it should be converted to black and white, or at least have the contrast increased for printing, I printed up the first two pages and the print is pretty small. Or maybe just a section of a page should be enlarged and enhanced for printing. This can be done easily by trimming and resampling the section, then enlarging.
Edit: Two sections for 11/24/1971 converted to black and white and with 150dpi. Suitable for printing on regular paper. Use high quality print settings, and print 'full size', not 'fit to paper'. It's the last two attachments.
uR 3 YEARS LATE! read the thread
georger 258
No, I don't remember Hominid's analysis.
Wasn't trying to link it to Amboy or anything. I don't understand how to read most of the stuff on the maps anyway. There's no analysis with the ones I posted.
I guess the good news is I won't have to do any conversions or emailing of maps...
The longer the explanation the more suspect!
Get a real job!
georger 258
No, I don't remember Hominid's analysis.
Wasn't trying to link it to Amboy or anything. I don't understand how to read most of the stuff on the maps anyway. There's no analysis with the ones I posted.
I guess the good news is I won't have to do any conversions or emailing of maps...
READ THE THREAD TREAD.
georger 258
Don't know how much good this does. I can't read most of it, but it's some weather data from the week of November 22-28, 1971. Taken from US Weather Service, a djvu extension file converted to four manageable PDF's. Each page was originally near 20mb. If you think you need the originals, I would have to email all eight pages one at a time or figure another method, such as FTP.
I thought about sharpening these up and converting to black and white, but maybe color is needed to read it, so I left it alone. My opinion is that printing these up will get better results than onscreen viewing, although you will have to increase the dpi resolution to 150dpi to get a better view. I can probably do this if anyone is interested. I have no idea if these maps provide any significant Cooper-related data or not.
If there are one or two certain pages that anyone would like to have enlarged/enhanced, I just need to know which one, and whether it should be converted to black and white, or at least have the contrast increased for printing, I printed up the first two pages and the print is pretty small. Or maybe just a section of a page should be enlarged and enhanced for printing. This can be done easily by trimming and resampling the section, then enlarging.
Edit: Two sections for 11/24/1971 converted to black and white and with 150dpi. Suitable for printing on regular paper. Use high quality print settings, and print 'full size', not 'fit to paper'. It's the last two attachments.
.djvu files all over again
Thinks he is working for NASA!
(to open a beer!)
No, I don't remember Hominid's analysis.
BULL CRAP & double BULL!
YOU do not remember Hominid's analysis? What do you take the posters in the thread to be - IDIOTS?
YOU did what U always do. U have No evidence of your own, but then stage your analysis feeding off of Hominid's. U use people and U use this forum!
THEN U will repeat and repeat the post U made - to attempt to take CREDIT for the work done by other! U are in WAY over your head!
DO NOT REPEAT THE POST U MADE AND DO NOT REPEAT THIS POST regarding the analysis. U think U are master of the Cooper Universe.
Note to Robert99:
I am NOT being nice the way U were, I call it the WAY I read and see it! BLEVINS uses this thread and he has ONLY one purpose.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
georger 258
No, I don't remember Hominid's analysis.
BULL CRAP & double BULL!
YOU do not remember Hominid's analysis? What do you take the posters in the thread to be - IDIOTS?
YOU did what U always do. U have No evidence of your own, but then stage your analysis feeding off of Hominid's. U use people and U use this forum!
THEN U will repeat and repeat the post U made - to attempt to take CREDIT for the work done by other! U are in WAY over your head!
DO NOT REPEAT THE POST U MADE AND DO NOT REPEAT THIS POST regarding the analysis. U think U are master of the Cooper Universe.
Note to Robert99:
I am NOT being nice the way U were, I call it the WAY I read and see it! BLEVINS uses this thread and he has ONLY one purpose.
Yep. Exposed! Just as _______ said he would do!
georger 258
Sure, I'm here a lot, but I could easily miss a post or two from Hominid. I do usually work during the day on weekdays. Not always, but four days a week at least. Sometimes you guys do a couple of pages while I'm at work.
I also go on camping trips and have no internet access.
What possible evil purpose would I have in taking the trouble to post up a few weather maps? I even said when I posted them that I didn't know if they would do any good. Right?
Besides, Jo...sometimes you post up quite a few looooong postings on a page. I could easily miss a page or two. Sometimes I go back and look, other times I just drop in to see what's going on. Or maybe it was done during one of my two 'vacations' imposed by Quade. Or maybe since I can't read weather maps, I just skipped over Hominid's posts...
Hard for me to believe you and Georger actually care about those maps. Robert99 said that info was already done. Works for me.
Funny
. "but I could easily miss a post or two from Hominid."
You mean a month and more of Hominid's posts?
While you were right here posting also?
Whatever the case is, if you think we are going to sit
here through three more months of your fucking
around with the weather issue, then you will have
Airtwardo for an audience ... and the rest of us can
take the summer off HOOOOOORAY!
A better excuse would be: "Gayla is posting
tonight!
And even better reason would be: Im an idiot!
georger 258
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Gayla doesn't post to Dropzone. She only did that once. Do you realize how bad you make yourself look publicly by posting up crud like that? I dropped the weather map issue after Robert99's immediate reply. Yet you keep going on and on ad nauseum about it. Face it. You have issues.
IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEATHER MAPS....
Don't talk to me about 'trashing this thread' or 'driving people away' when you post up junk like the previous. Your personal issues with me have become an obsession. Get over it. If you can. Or get help.
I would also suggest you quit trying to speak for everybody else. ('WE can take the summer off...') I think that some of the folks who post here besides you wish you would get over the personal issues. It makes you look BAD and drives people away. That's an opinion.
OK. You have shamed me!
Please! go ahead and do your weather
drill again - take at least 3-6 months doing it. Maybe
a full year!
You seem to know the pulse of everyone.
So play it again Sam.
Georger posted:
Please! go ahead and do your weather
drill again - take at least 3-6 months doing it. Maybe
a full year!
You seem to know the pulse of everyone.
So play it again Sam.
Jo Replies:
Tried to send you a PM.
NONE of us want to post anything or deal with Blevins. I am dogmatic in what I believe but, try to stay OUT of conversations OVER MY HEAD other than to ask a question or volunteer MY opinion peppered with questions.
Blevins on the other hand "thinks" he is in the same league as Homid, Georger, 377, Robert 99, Sluggo and all of the others who offer up a post on subjects. He offers up "research" someone else had discuss and we have all seen. WHY does he do this?
He HAS to re-state the things in the thread developed and explored by others - to make it appear to be his own. HE HAS ONLY ONE MOTIVE IN DOING THIS! Without my spelling it out - all of you know exactly what he will do with this a few yrs down the road (he is younger than many of us and will out live us).
RESTATE THE THEORIES AND THE FACTS AND RESEARCH AND THEN ONE DAY YOU WILL OWN IT AND CAN USE IN A BOOK ABOUT A 50 YR OLD CRIME - UNSOLVED.
Many of U are in your late 60's to the mid eighties. You might not be alive or even interested in defending your rights 7 yrs from now. This is what BLEVINS is BANKING ON!
I am not a writer, but you will note what many writers have done in books written about politicians, deaths, crimes, etc.
They WAIT and BANK on having a best seller down the road - with the things stated but, not acquired by themselves (no expenses for the research) and no credit given to others.
After so many yrs and many articles and books and research is made public (including the thread), they publish a coglomeration of all of the OLD information and make it their own. After 50 yrs this is EASY to do....for example all of the news articles on Cooper and how they read - the inconsistencies and writer's liberaties.
By requoting he protects himself so he can write HIS book for the 50th Anniversay and NO one can TOUCH him. I call them Pirates!
One noted Political writer who I do NOT want to offend has done this many times. His name was mentioned in Code in this post.
Blevins will never approach the stature of this man...but he wants to believe he will.
AGAIN Mr. B - DO not quote my post - U have NO PROOF regarding your subject but, who is the first to remind JO (who never wrote a book) that she has NO proof. Well, do NOT bank on that!
I see it coming now - a long triadge of repetitive promotions. Then condemning post regarding anyone else with a subject and discredit them with the very things YOU Mr.B have flagrantly written about and boasted about in this thread!
WHEW! 
For heavens sake Porteous LOOK at WHAT did you created?
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
georger 258
Georger posted:
Please! go ahead and do your weather
drill again - take at least 3-6 months doing it. Maybe
a full year!
You seem to know the pulse of everyone.
So play it again Sam.
Jo Replies:
Tried to send you a PM.
NONE of us want to post anything or deal with Blevins. I am dogmatic in what I believe but, try to stay OUT of conversations OVER MY HEAD other than to ask a question or volunteer MY opinion peppered with questions.
Blevins on the other hand "thinks" he is in the same league as Homid, Georger, 377, Robert 99, Sluggo and all of the others who offer up a post on subjects. He offers up "research" someone else had discuss and we have all seen. WHY does he do this?
He HAS to re-state the things in the thread developed and explored by others - to make it appear to be his own. HE HAS ONLY ONE MOTIVE IN DOING THIS! Without my spelling it out - all of you know exactly what he will do with this a few yrs down the road (he is younger than many of us and will out live us).
RESTATE THE THEORIES AND THE FACTS AND RESEARCH AND THEN ONE DAY YOU WILL OWN IT AND CAN USE IN A BOOK ABOUT A 50 YR OLD CRIME - UNSOLVED.
Many of U are in your late 60's to the mid eighties. You might not be alive or even interested in defending your rights 7 yrs from now. This is what BLEVINS is BANKING ON!
I am not a writer, but you will note what many writers have done in books written about politicians, deaths, crimes, etc.
They WAIT and BANK on having a best seller down the road - with the things stated but, not acquired by themselves (no expenses for the research) and no credit given to others.
After so many yrs and many articles and books and research is made public (including the thread), they publish a coglomeration of all of the OLD information and make it their own. After 50 yrs this is EASY to do....for example all of the news articles on Cooper and how they read - the inconsistencies and writer's liberaties.
By requoting he protects himself so he can write HIS book for the 50th Anniversay and NO one can TOUCH him. I call them Pirates!
One noted Political writer who I do NOT want to offend has done this many times. His name was mentioned in Code in this post.
Blevins will never approach the stature of this man...but he wants to believe he will.
AGAIN Mr. B - DO not quote my post - U have NO PROOF regarding your subject but, who is the first to remind JO (who never wrote a book) that she has NO proof. Well, do NOT bank on that!
WHEW!
For heavens sake Porteous LOOK at WHAT did you created?
Blevins & Porteous reply:
'It's all your fault! We were attacked by Dropzone first.
We have the right of reply. We weren't even interested
in DB Cooper. Maybe next time you will think twice
before attacking 'everyone'. Nothing at Dropzone is
copy-written. It's free public source material. Now we
"own" Dropzone, and everything at Dropzone! Nobody
can prove Dropzone was DB Cooper. It's all good.'
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I hardly know how to respond to some of the previous posts. So I don't think I will.
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This might be one of your wiser moves, Blevins. Pissin' contests get kind of old and boring.
Meyer Louie
I'm not going to put readers through an entire re-quote. Yes, I have issues with the investigation of the chute by the Seattle FBI. But I've already explained that and I don't see the point of going through it again. I think I made my points clear enough.
Fine. You think the Seattle FBI is right. You believe the investigation was solid and unflawed and the results perfectly trustworthy. The answer here is simple. We disagree.
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Blevins: I read all of the newspaper citations you had re: Amboy chute in your earlier post. One of the articles says the FBI consulted other experts, not just Cossey. I'm not seeing any real gross negligence or major oversights by the FBI-- it just isn't there. The FBI conducted an investigation of the Amboy chute, they made their conclusions, they stated those conclusions. They did what they do. So what?
You and Jo are constantly labeling anything and everything the FBI did do, does, or will do as flawed, incomplete, and/or incompetent. Not even the most incompetent organization in all the world of incompetent organizations can always be that incompetent. I guess when the FBI starts including KC and Duane Weber in their conclusions, then, and only then, will their analysis and conclusions be valid. It's getting old -- you and Jo slamming the FBI all the time, not just some of the time, all of the time. Maybe you two need to change the broken record.
MeyerLouie
Blevins said:
No one seems to know the exact spot, and the coordinates cannot be certain.
THIS IS A FAR CRY FROM YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT WHERE YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T AT THE ARIEL CELEBRATION FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES BEFORE FINDING OUT WHERE THE AMBOY CHUTE WAS FOUND... EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG KNEW. YES, I'M YELLING -- YOU'RE WORSE THAN MITT ROMNEY WHEN IT COMES TO "WAFFLING."
MeyerLouie
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One report says the chute was found BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel, not on the east side of Amboy. If this were true, it would put the chute closer to the flight path. As it is now, according to the alleged GPS/Google Map info the chute was approximately four miles off the flight path. And I admit I don't know if a drift of four miles from a 9,600 foot jump is possible, even if the upper level winds were westerly.
So...what I will do is make a trip down to Ariel and locate the people who gave me the name of the property owners and then look up the name in property tax records for the exact location. Yes...a name was given to me. No...I didn't write it down. So I couldn't have told Meyer Louie anything even if I wanted to. Looking back, I should have made a note about it. Now, I feel like Chris Farley interviewing Paul McCartney for not doing so, and that's my bad for sure.
At the time, I just didn't give it any thought. I had no plans to inquire personally. And I can't remember the name this nice couple gave me, but I DO know where the nice couple lives. So I guess I will have to go there again and ask, and this time write down the name. Then, we can all get an exact spot. I was planning to do this during summer, when Gayla and I go down to record their life story for the non-Cooper book. But I guess I could go alone, or with another Cooper Fan, earlier in the year, and talk to them strictly about the chute location.
It was the woman, not the man, who told me they knew these people personally. And I had no reason to doubt her. One of the reasons is because they have lived in the area for decades, and were obviously solid people. And it may mean nothing, but neither of them were drinking at Ariel either. Both were sticking to soft drinks. Not surprising, considering what they've been doing for a living, and how they've set records doing it. I can't tell you what that is publicly, but privately I might, and I suppose I would have to if we (whomever 'we' is) made a trip down there together.
And I still think 377 might want to inquire with the case agent in Seattle and get a look at the parachute, if possible. I also noticed someone else thinks the chute was actually discovered BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel...closer to the flight path...and they did this short video about it.
No one seems to know the exact spot, and the coordinates cannot be certain.
THIS IS A FAR CRY FROM YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT WHERE YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T AT THE ARIEL CELEBRATION FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES BEFORE FINDING OUT WHERE THE AMBOY CHUTE WAS FOUND... EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG KNEW. YES, I'M YELLING -- YOU'RE WORSE THAN MITT ROMNEY WHEN IT COMES TO "WAFFLING."
MeyerLouie
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One report says the chute was found BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel, not on the east side of Amboy. If this were true, it would put the chute closer to the flight path. As it is now, according to the alleged GPS/Google Map info the chute was approximately four miles off the flight path. And I admit I don't know if a drift of four miles from a 9,600 foot jump is possible, even if the upper level winds were westerly.
So...what I will do is make a trip down to Ariel and locate the people who gave me the name of the property owners and then look up the name in property tax records for the exact location. Yes...a name was given to me. No...I didn't write it down. So I couldn't have told Meyer Louie anything even if I wanted to. Looking back, I should have made a note about it. Now, I feel like Chris Farley interviewing Paul McCartney for not doing so, and that's my bad for sure.
At the time, I just didn't give it any thought. I had no plans to inquire personally. And I can't remember the name this nice couple gave me, but I DO know where the nice couple lives. So I guess I will have to go there again and ask, and this time write down the name. Then, we can all get an exact spot. I was planning to do this during summer, when Gayla and I go down to record their life story for the non-Cooper book. But I guess I could go alone, or with another Cooper Fan, earlier in the year, and talk to them strictly about the chute location.
It was the woman, not the man, who told me they knew these people personally. And I had no reason to doubt her. One of the reasons is because they have lived in the area for decades, and were obviously solid people. And it may mean nothing, but neither of them were drinking at Ariel either. Both were sticking to soft drinks. Not surprising, considering what they've been doing for a living, and how they've set records doing it. I can't tell you what that is publicly, but privately I might, and I suppose I would have to if we (whomever 'we' is) made a trip down there together.
And I still think 377 might want to inquire with the case agent in Seattle and get a look at the parachute, if possible. I also noticed someone else thinks the chute was actually discovered BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel...closer to the flight path...and they did this short video about it.
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Since I last discussed our trip to Amboy (Bruce and I) in search of the location of the parachute, interesting things have been said: Georger reiterated that he didn't say he knew the exact location of the Amboy chute, Jo said the exact location was never determined, Bruce and I couldn't find anyone in Amboy who knew, or admitted they knew, diddly squat, and I have yet to see a map presented here since that actually nails down the precise location. Lots of talk -- a general map of the Amboy area or a general description of the area doesn't cut it. You can't just say it was in Amboy or between Ariel and Amboy -- that's a huge area! My pickup got a good workout the day Bruce and I drove around the Amboy area.
I'll say it again, I heard lots of people say they thought they knew where the chute was found, but they didn't know, they just thought they knew (Dona Elliott was one of those people).
Blevins, I hope that couple at the Ariel party pans out, I hope they know something. It may not help us solve the case, but you never know.
It's better to have too much and not need it, than need it and not have enough....
"Can I get an amen from ya??
I said, "Uh-Yeah-ya!"
MeyerLouie
what tower and where is it supposed to be at Jo? I have a map of
all known towers, give me and area to close in on?
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It's a good question Jo. Someone is offering to help you. You don't have any evidence yet, why not quit being so paranoid and let someone help you answer some of those questions you've been asking for so many years? You keep doing what you've always done, you keep getting what you've always gotten.
MeyerLouie
mrshutter45 21
Meyer, did you and Bruce talk with this guy?
http://www.reporternews.com/photos/2008/mar/26/12341/
http://www.reporternews.com/photos/2008/mar/26/12341/
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Don't know how much good this does. I can't read most of it, but it's some weather data from the week of November 22-28, 1971. Taken from US Weather Service, a djvu extension file converted to four manageable PDF's. Each page was originally near 20mb. If you think you need the originals, I would have to email all eight pages one at a time or figure another method, such as FTP.
I thought about sharpening these up and converting to black and white, but maybe color is needed to read it, so I left it alone. My opinion is that printing these up will get better results than onscreen viewing, although you will have to increase the dpi resolution to 150dpi to get a better view. I can probably do this if anyone is interested. I have no idea if these maps provide any significant Cooper-related data or not.
If there are one or two certain pages that anyone would like to have enlarged/enhanced, I just need to know which one, and whether it should be converted to black and white, or at least have the contrast increased for printing, I printed up the first two pages and the print is pretty small. Or maybe just a section of a page should be enlarged and enhanced for printing. This can be done easily by trimming and resampling the section, then enlarging.
Edit: Two sections for 11/24/1971 converted to black and white and with 150dpi. Suitable for printing on regular paper. Use high quality print settings, and print 'full size', not 'fit to paper'. It's the last two attachments.
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Blevins: I took your advice and I'm looking around in the places you suggested for some aerial maps of the DZ (or in that genital vasectomy) from 1970-71. It might take a while, as I will probably have to call around, check around, and/or drive around to get the information.
MeyerLouie
When JT is involve it is time to be parnoid - some day you will learn that.
I won't split it out in this THREAD because then you have treasure hunters going on to private property. I am not paranoid, but careful and respect the property and privacy of other.
So I am SUPPOSED to make everything I KNOW - PUBLIC? Don't think so!
I won't split it out in this THREAD because then you have treasure hunters going on to private property. I am not paranoid, but careful and respect the property and privacy of other.
So I am SUPPOSED to make everything I KNOW - PUBLIC? Don't think so!
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
When JT is involve it is time to be parnoid - some day you will learn that.
I won't split it out in this THREAD because then you have treasure hunters going on to private property. I am not paranoid, but careful and respect the property and privacy of other.
So I am SUPPOSED to make everything I KNOW - PUBLIC? Don't think so!
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Didn't say that Jo. How about some things that some people might be able to help you with? Treasure hunters? What treasure will they be hunting, and on what private property will they be hunting? I don't follow -- sounds a little paranoid to me.
MeyerLouie
You and Jo are constantly labeling anything and everything the FBI did do, does, or will do as flawed, incomplete, and/or incompetent.
1. Weber was a suspect and still is.
2. The FBI did drop the ball on Weber - even they know this!
Did NOT disclose his entire criminal record - especially the things that counted - such as a Spokane Arrest!
3. Dropped the ball on the Criminal history they did make public.
4. Left too many holes...and I was the one who filled most of that in - and the thread had a little to do with a couple of things not disclosed by the FBI.
5.Carr made an issue of publishing the criminal record here in this thread (how ethical was that) when I had requested it for yr?
6. Bungled the interview with the ex-wife.
7. Missed the Fl. record.
8. They still don't know diddle squat about 62- 66 and if they do - why NOT blurt that out in the manner they introduced the other information to me - IN THIS THREAD!
KC was never a suspect and Duane Weber was and still it.
Evidently they DID know about Spokane - but why didn't they make that PUBLIC with the other things Carr introduced on this thread. NOW, that sound a little FISHY! Right!
I have a RIGHT to be a little pissed.
NO - I do not compare in anyway with Blevins - WHY don't U ask the AGENT of record yourself before you start bad mouthing me! THE FBI did SCREW up on the investigation of WEBER and I for one have PROOF of some of these things.
A recording telling me the Army number belonged to Wavy Green - NOT Duane Weber and his statement Duane was never in the Army.
WELL, I have physical proof of both - and they made mistakes.
NEVER represent yourself as an FBI agent and tell a woman she is wrong when she hold the damn records in her hands. Chaulk them up to mistakes if you wish....but they sent a letter in 1998 stating Duane's prints match and NOW they are saying the prints might not belong to Cooper. Where is the irony in that?
How the hell did they miss a record in their own back yard?
How did they miss an arrest during a time he was supposed to be according the FBI agent of record - someplace else. Who was Weber? Was he some kind of magician that can be in 2 places at one time?
They did NOT investigate the yrs Weber posed as John Collins 1962 to 1966 - Even in 1968 he was provided a COMMUTATION of sentence as JOHN COLLINS and not the Duane Weber he was promiserd. Looking for grudge - try that one of for size.
This is just part of the cycle.
NEVER ever classify me in the same sentence with Blevins NOT EVER!
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Didn't say that Jo. How about some things that some people might be able to help you with? Treasure hunters? What treasure will they be hunting, and on what private property will they be hunting? I don't follow -- sounds a little paranoid to me.
MeyerLouie
How the HELL am I supposed to know. He buried something in a shed to the right of a tower that was there in 1971 and not there in 1979. He didn't tell me. What ever it was - was something he did Not or did not feel safe packing his way out of there.
He may have gone back and retrieved it at a later date and maybe not! IT was a strange thing to drive into the woods and for him to tell me what he told me.
If he was trying to SET me up - then why not JUST state what he put there....He never talked about that site again. He realized he told me too much as it was.
That site is why I am determined to get back to WA. It was my last day in WA in 2010 when I realized my mistake. The TIME and SPACE in my memory was at fault. I didn't have the time or money to stay longer.
Have to go to bed! Haven't felt well in days!
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
georger 258
One report says the chute was found BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel, not on the east side of Amboy. If this were true, it would put the chute closer to the flight path. As it is now, according to the alleged GPS/Google Map info the chute was approximately four miles off the flight path. And I admit I don't know if a drift of four miles from a 9,600 foot jump is possible, even if the upper level winds were westerly.
MeyerLouie
As a matter of fact, four miles is 'right on the nut'
in terms of several people's prior calculations, done
here in the Stone Age. I smiled when I saw Shutters
figure, for that reason.
Sluggo, Snow, Guru, myself, and others tried their
hands at calculating drift scenarios, dead
drop-terminal velocity, etc etc. It was like being back
in physics 101 - fun! These skydivers do know their
stuff! This period people doing calculations and
discussion went on for some time, was very
productive, and '4 miles' was one person's prediction
... so its not out of reason based on parameters
previously introduced and discussed.
Guru, make any corrections to my memory of this you
need to -
BTW, you can also refer to the original NWA map
(what I call the probability drop map) to get their
original estimates on this matter. (Sluggo hates it
when I used that term for the NWA map -
Let me attach that here...
all of this maps are available at Sluggo's cafe.
mrshutter45 21
this is interesting.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEbugKdHbjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEbugKdHbjY
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Robert: Not sure what you mean by that. I think it was Shutter who did the overlay video shown above. On the idea of whether anyone earlier REALLY questioned the FBI's results on the Amboy chute, I was just being polite. I really haven't seen any other articles calling into question their results. I did see one article on the chute itself where Carr says that if the chute is Cooper's that the Tena Bar money couldn't have ended up there on its own. Of course, no one knows the truth on that chute right now except the Seattle FBI, and well...we've been down that road before. If they aren't going to let any outsiders except Cossey ('silk, not nylon...and that's why it can't be Cooper's...'
Robert99 says in part:
Yeah, I know this. I don't have any information on the upper level winds at the approximate time of the jump. I don't believe that story of 50-60 knots from the south in the Portland area, though. Sounds excessive. But I haven't seen the data, if it exists today...either. One reason I doubt this story is because if the winds were running that high at 9,600 feet, someone would have noticed. Climbers on Rainier, Adams, St Helens maybe. There would have been reports of a windstorm running at higher elevations. Still, as I said, I haven't seen the data and I wonder if the 305 crew would have reported such winds, if they existed.
The more long-winded the explanation, the more in doubt.
Olympia WA is not PDX WA!
Yea. They did. READ THE THREAD!
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