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Since you guys seem to want to waste time repeating things that have already been discussed and investigated to death - go ahead.

Jo, I am shocked by your statement! If you know of a single person on this thread who does that, report them to Quade and ask thay they be permanently banned! I'm sure that any number of others on this thread will also support you on that.

Robert99

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Jo, I don't understand how you can't understand the FBI has over 25 sets of his prints! just because Ohio didn't know what he did in
Texas doesn't change the fact of the prints being sent to the FBI. (Ohio/ Texas are examples)

"The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names."

they could have missed 50 as I mentioned before, the bottom line is they have his prints.

also as I mentioned, the picture of Duane in 1968 is not very convincing of him being Cooper IMHO

another hurdle to get over is the fact of him always wearing glasses, almost all of your pictures shows him wearing glasses.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Since it is obvious that some of you have not done your homework regarding this (the Fingerprint System) - I have more important issues to work on. I am NOT evading you - but telling you to do your OWN investigation into this. PUT your TIME and YOUR money on the line like I did...to acquire the information.

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I understand! got it, you ask people to look at your comments and when they disagree you don't want to talk about....


no problem!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Since you guys seem to want to waste time repeating things that have already been discussed and investigated to death - go ahead.

Jo, I am shocked by your statement! If you know of a single person on this thread who does that, report them to Quade and ask thay they be permanently banned! I'm sure that any number of others on this thread will also support you on that.

Robert99

YOU ARE TAKING THAT ENTIRELY OUT OF CONTEXT. I was referring to the Criminal Data Base. I have current things to do and they do NOT include going back over something I have already handled. The information they are obtaining was exactly the propaganda the authorities wanted the people to buy into in the 70's, but the program was NOT something they could just hire a few data personel and have them input the old files. IT took YRS. There are still input errors and mistakes - and they are only found if someone needs that particular piece of information.

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I understand! got it, you ask people to look at your comments and when they disagree you don't want to talk about....


no problem!

For Heaven Sake - you all are acting like a bunch of teenages.
Read my post I made in reply to Robt's statement!

The statement was ONLY in reference to the FINGER PRINT SYSTEM...nothing else. I worked this and so did others at a great deal of time, effort and expense....what I have regarding the fingerprint system was mostly obtained at a GREAT deal of expense and time on my part.

Speaking of Safe Deposit Boxes - I have to go. We have so many irons in the fire and I am trying to stay on top of what is going on in the thread at the same time.

Sorry if ANYONE thought I was referencing any part of this in a derogatory manner to anyone.
I was NOT referencing anything but the Finger Print SYSTEM and
Central prison records.

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How about this: He jumped from REALLY REALLY high and landed somewhere in the New Mexico desert without killing himself. On the way down, he was probably going REALLY FRIGGIN' FAST. (*laughs*)

Lol...Blevins, you probably wouldn't be catching any grief if you had just said this in the first place?

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Edit: Link to the last 14 minutes of the jump at YouTube. Maybe if you bounce a radar beam off Felix's image in the video, you can determine his exact speed. You never know.

You guys kill me sometimes, you really do.

*Goes back to Sunday Night Football*

No one needs to bounce a radar beam...The way I figure if the mission team didn't get his exact speed, then in some ways, this experiment is all for naught. But that's not the point. I'm reasonably sure they got it right.

Here's what kills me...you just put stuff out there without checking or really even reading the facts and then you shrug it off like it's no big deal when someone calls you on it.
And if it's not a big deal -- why post it in the first place or respond when someone points out that what you posted was inaccurate?

Hell even on terra firma a difference of a mere 5 miles/hr in speed can increase a fine anywhere from $250,00 - $500.00. Maybe more if past offenses. My point being -- Accuracy is indeed relative to this mission.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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I understand! got it, you ask people to look at your comments and when they disagree you don't want to talk about....


no problem!

For Heaven Sake - you all are acting alike a bunch of teenages.
Read my post I made in reply to Robt's statement!

Jo, Have you been appointed our Den Mother? I didn't get the memo.

Robert99

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Mr. Science, I’m hopelessly lost when it comes to calculating speeds and women. Could you teach me how to be faster with both? Sincerely, Un-functionally Literate.

Of course Mr. Science can help you Un-func. But something tells Mr. Science that you have underestimated exactly how much help you would need with women, and Mr. Science can’t change time, physics or someone who showers with, drinks and excretes ‘girl repellant’ out of every syllable uttered. But Mr. Science can help you with things like calculating speeds.

You may use km/h or mph depending on the model of Segway you ride. Since Mr. Science is a heterosexual, he must convert speed measurements to MPH. I’ll begin by reading the ‘Red Bull’ site which is predominantly in English. There is a reference to 1.24 mach at roughly 1,342.8 km/h which converts to a chick magnety 832.5 MPH (Manly Perfect He-man). Anyone could convert these values with access to the internet and any free time, which some struggle with because they can’t chew gum, watch TV and get things right the first time. Mr. Science can parallel process many things and keep those skills honed, which others can only bitch and complain about. Mr. Science understands their envy.

Now that the speed is known in MPH, one could ‘back in’ the values from a table of altitudes. Mr. Science found one that goes to 60,000 feet which lists the speed of sound at 659.8 MPH. Oh nooooooooo! Mr. Science made a mistake because that speed doesn’t match…. Psych… Mr. Science is simply amusing himself with others ignorance and inadequacies, which manifest in puffing as a form of failed overcompensation. For the 659.8 must be multiplied by the mach value, which results in 818 miles per hour for 1.24 mach at 60,000 feet. That’s a solution which is within 2% of the ‘Red Bull’ numbers, and close enough for ‘private sector’ work.

Mr. Science has been more than happy to explain in detail, something which more than likely makes little sense to the ‘Twitter’ generation, who have clearly mastered technology, rather than be its bitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=putQn89TQzc

Remember, whenever you need an honest, humble and accurate answer, you can always; Ask Mr. Science!

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I understand! got it, you ask people to look at your comments and when they disagree you don't want to talk about....


no problem!

For Heaven Sake - you all are acting alike a bunch of teenages.
Read my post I made in reply to Robt's statement!

Jo, Have you been appointed our Den Mother? I didn't get the memo.

Robert99

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Robert99 - that is nit picking! You pick out a phrase in my post and try to encite others by using that phrase from my post without taking it in full context so the meaning can be made clear. THAT is NOT very nice.

YOU ARE trying to encite problems and that is a problem! I have NOT made any derogatory statements. There is a lot going on regarding Cooper right now and I refuse to be dragged into a childish free for all...by someone with another agenda....namely to discredit me in any way you can or to encite others to attack me!

You have done this before and I just ignored you.. I have TOO MUCH to do RIGHT now regarding other things about WEBER/Cooper and I don't need to deal with your harassing me.

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One last post about the jump.

Whatever the final results are certified to be...It was pretty awesome (and i mean that literally)

I get the heebie jeebies everytime I watch it at the part before he steps off. Looked like way too much stuff to snag his suit on. And the part where he was tumbling/spinning was tense.

Some random tweets:

That awkward moment when you realize an energy drink has a better space program than your nation.

It is clear that Felix dude is not a cat. We cats have way more sense than that.

FUN FACT: The capsule has a special compartment to accommodate Felix Baumgartner's enormous balls.

Mission accomplished!

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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One last post about the jump.

Whatever the final results are certified to be...It was pretty awesome (and i mean that literally)

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agree. any idea if the chute opened automatically
at some altitude? at what velocity?

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Couldn’t agree more smokin99; having some caffeine and taurine (read: speed) laced soft drink, pimp slap NASA is astonishing. Being able to watch an aerospace record being broken, live, in my boxer shorts, only adds to the irony of how far the pendulum must swing in the other direction. Like twitter, Lisa Nowak and the DBC thread.

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RobertMBlevins comments without the use of data or thinking one (1) step downstream about his review with:

“1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.”

And that’s exactly one witness more than RobertMBlevins had regarding Dan Cooper comics, Captain Scott talking to Cooper and Bernie breaking into a home and stealing a logbook.


RobertMBlevins ignores an oft repeated and genuine piece of evidence with:

“2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.”

For the ‘Nth’ time, MARTIN MCNALLY JUMPED FROM A 727 WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE. He hijacked the most planes, had the most money and NO experience. Never had even touched a parachute before, but please, keep ignoring this evidence and history in your battle of wills.


RobertMBlevins obliquely infers:

“3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.”

Gee is this some, oh gosh, you know, umm…, have I mentioned this before, a Stewardess said Kenny was the closest she had seen before, but Tina and Alice didn’t say squat, but I just left that out of my question, because I’m passive aggressive like that, and then form a leading statement, even though I deny any such activity statement? Yes.


He then continues like a runaway freight train with:

“4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.”

Like his fingerprints and DNA?


RobertMBlevins adds a non-sequitur to a non-sequitur with:

“5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.”

And if the handwriting in the Cooper book is Duane’s that would prove that he read a book on Cooper after the event, thus damning him to have done what? All it proves is there are many delusionals willing to reinforce the quality of this research with a random 50cc squirt of intellectual diarrhea.


RobertMBlevins continues to steer with the use of another non-sequitur:

“6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.”

If a person’s fingerprints or DNA matches the samples in FBI evidence, BUT can’t be placed in the NW United States they are exonerated? This only makes sense on this thread.


RobertMBlevins tweaks the nose of Captain Obvious with:

“7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.”

Neither has anyone else since ‘definitive evidence’ would lead to an investigation by the FBI, then the ‘definitive evidence’ would be used in a court of law to convict the hijacker.


Occam experiences forced ‘manlove’ with:

“8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.”

Occam screams that an employee of the airline would be identified relatively quickly as well.


RobertMBlevins peers deep into a pool of irony by stating:

“9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.”

Much the way Lyle said he never believed that Kenny was Cooper, but sparked some brain dead investigation which defied every statistic known to science, by ‘proving’ Kenny was coincidentally Cooper.


Captain Obvious hasn’t left the building with:

“10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.”

If Kenny isn’t Cooper, then perhaps, it’s someone else.

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Blevins, I think Jo has pretty much shot down all of your arguments against her theory and premises. When I look at your KC=DBC theory, I have to ask, "where's the beef?" What proof have you offered? Zip. Don't think you have any room to criticize anybody else's lack of proof. That's pretty arrogant, Grand Miestro Peepee. Go practice your guitar now.

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From Juan Carlos Riorca's article for the Associated Press:

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'ROSWELL — Officials say that Felix Baumgartner has become the first skydiver to break the speed of sound.

At a news conference, Brian Utley of the International Federation of Sports Aviation said Baumgartner reached a maximum speed of 833.9 mph during his jump Sunday over the New Mexico desert.

That amounts to Mach 1.24, which is faster than the speed of sound. No one has ever reached that speed wearing only a high-tech suit...'

If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Alleged news conference. Probably never happened.
You have provided no proof. Without proof its just
your word. Got a link?

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MeyerLouie says in part:

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'Blevins, I think Jo has pretty much shot down all of your arguments against her theory and premises. When I look at your KC=DBC theory, I have to ask, "where's the beef?" What proof have you offered? Zip. Don't think you have any room to criticize anybody else's lack of proof. That's pretty arrogant, Grand Miestro Peepee. Go practice your guitar now...'

Already did my practicing for the day...yesterday.

Most of those 'arguments' you cite don't address the issues I raised, but either play word games with them or somehow try to compare them to Christiansen.

There is a difference between offering evidence and actual proof of a crime. I think regarding the former we did quite well. There is a lot of evidence and witness testimony out there against Christiansen. Some of it has to do with Bernie Geestman's lies at key moments. Comparing the case between KC and Weber is actually pretty simple.

The only real evidence, if any, against Weber is the word of one woman. When I said 'physical evidence' I didn't mean fingerprints or DNA. I meant for example, a missing airline ticket stub, which cannot be produced. In the case of Weber, there ARE no witnesses. Just Jo. Even Gossett, if you believe his son(s) has a better case, since there is their testimony about certain quotes and incidents.

There are things which have been proven in the case of Christiansen. For example, we can prove he lent the alleged accomplice's sister five thousand in cash less than six months after the hijacking. We can prove he spent 16k in cash on a house less than eight months after the hijacking. And we can prove that Bernie Geestman, despite his denials, was involved in both these transactions. We can also prove that KC and Bernie were together, and missing, over the week of the hijacking. We can prove Kenny had parachute experience, although he hadn't jumped in some years. We can prove that without any visible means of how he acquired it, that Kenny died with a much larger estate than someone in his position could be expected to have. We can prove that Geestman told lies that directly relate to an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in the hijacking. For example, when he said he couldn't have been involved because he was gone to sea with Foss Tugs ten to eleven months of the year in 1971. Foss says that is not true. Or when he said he didn't know the details on how his own sister got the loan from Kenny...but it was HE who delivered the money. Or when he said he didn't know how Kenny got his house for cash...when Kenny bought it from a couple where Bernie served as their Best Man at their wedding only three years previously.

None of that is proof Christiansen hijacked Flight 305, of course. But it IS evidence. And there is a lot more of that in KC's case than anything you'll find regarding Weber...
My official stand on all of this is also very simple. I think we've presented enough evidence that the Seattle FBI should question the witnesses. This means Helen Jones, her daughter, Bernie Geestman, and Margaret Ann Miller-Geestman. Does anyone here have a problem with that? If so, I would like to know why.

I've started receiving responses from the Decoded cast on my question to them. I asked them to expand on the Geestman interview. Now, you should understand that at the time of filming, they did not know about Helen Jones' testimony, and AB had not yet discovered the tax document showing that KC bought his house from that couple in Puyallup that Geestman knew. Also...Decoded had to go on what evidence Porteous and I had at that time, plus the ORIGINAL edition of the book, which had actually been pulled by the time of filming. That said, here is what one of the cast members said this week. (I'm not revealing their name to you because frankly, I don't trust some of you)

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'Geestman was very cagey, even shifty during the interview. My personal suspicion was that he was actually drunk. But in the end he was pretty convincing--probably having spent years answering questions and even convincing himself that what he was saying was the truth. I have very little doubt that Kenny is guilty, and I went away from the interview with Geestman confused and uncertain about his involvement as an accomplice.

You have to remember that we were given very little time to process the interview and think about all he had said--they filmed us coming out the door, and those were our initial, on the spot responses. Then we filmed about an hour later in the diner and still, not much processing time and we'd been running around filming for weeks, months even.

Having had more time to think about it it would not surprise me in the least if Geestman was an accomplice, or at the very least knew about it and aided Kenny in some ways before or after...'

After I received this message, I updated this cast member with some of the additional evidence we had gathered since filming. This filming would be two years ago this month.

Repetitive casting of the same script, expecting
different results, implies ......

One possibility is: ADD.

Example: my post here! (talking at a machine)

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None of that is proof Christiansen hijacked Flight 305, of course. But it IS evidence. And there is a lot more of that in KC's case than anything you'll find regarding Weber

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Evidence? YOU BLEVINS have produced NO EVIDENCE regarding KC. NONE! IOTA!

I DO have proof the FBI of record "fibbed" to me.

I DO have a family member of WEBER's who was connected to Boeings.

I Do have a confession - but, then that is only my word, JUST as what you have is ONLY the WORD of your interviewed subjects. To call them WITNESSES or their statements TESTIMONIES is really really stretching it - YOU THINK!

KC had other friends you NEVER interviewed and YOU and YOU alone used those individuals (your witnesses) and manuevered them with the power of suggestion.

In 1997 I was talking to Duane's other widow. A woman who supposedly lived with him and was his wife from 1966 to 1972!
She died in 2004. The RECORDS validate this claim.

Your "witnesses" did NOT have an intimate relationship with KC. They did NOT live with him or were they privey to his private life.

Duane Weber had a past the FBI did not unveil and they know this.
What would you do or say if we are able to DOCUMENT Duane's familiarity of chutes and the NW by picture and/or film?

Your HORSE never made it out of the "chute". Shall we place bets on who ends up in the Winner's Circle? Well, the stretch is coming up and the finishing line is in site for some---, but not KC.

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Couldn’t agree more smokin99; having some caffeine and taurine (read: speed) laced soft drink, pimp slap NASA is astonishing. Being able to watch an aerospace record being broken, live, in my boxer shorts, only adds to the irony of how far the pendulum must swing in the other direction. Like twitter, Lisa Nowak and the DBC thread.

Gotta love Red Bull. Space X too. Private bucks, huge risks, huge accomplishments.

Felix is da man. I hope this widely viewed event will drive newbies to the DZs, just like the movie Point Break did.

Jumped on Saturday. There was a friggin McLaren!!! parked in the DZ lot. You just don't see those kinds of rides at DZs. I think they cost over $300,000. Rumor was that some Facebook guy was there for a tandem.

I hope someone gets to interview Sheridan Peterson soon. He probably won't be alive much longer due to his age and progressing cancer. I have no proof that he is DBC and if he were he'd be unlikely to confess it. I'd just like to hear what he has to say about Norjack and jumping in 1971. Who knew back then that a 727 could be jumped? I still think Cooper knew that it could. The pilots and flight engineer didn't know, neither did NWA ops. They had to contact Boeing. The 727 mfr confirmed that safe flight with the stairs deployed was possible, having been proven in earlier flight tests.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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What would you do or say if we are able to DOCUMENT Duane's familiarity of chutes and the NW by picture and/or film?

Familairity with the NW doesnt prove anything, but if you can prove that Duane had parachuting knowledge and experience then you will find a brand new attitude in yours truly.

Gievn Duane's bungling criminal career (more than two dozen arrests) I cant imagine that he could plan and execute the crime of the century and remain unidentified and free.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Who knew back then that a 727 could be jumped? I still think Cooper knew that it could. The pilots and flight engineer didn't know, neither did NWA ops. They had to contact Boeing. The 727 mfr confirmed that safe flight with the stairs deployed was possible, having been proven in earlier flight tests.

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Well, Weber had contacts with Boeing (more than one) and he was familiar with CHUTES. We have it from a very good source regarding an enquiry I made in the thread.

Remember my asking about airshow in CA and jumping exhibits in CA in the 30's. Well, low and BEHOLD Derry did participate in such and around the time Weber was there as a 10 yr old. Duane's brother who was 22 at that time went into the service and was VERY familiar with Boeing (so familiar he was a consultant for Boeing with the Army).

All I am going to say right now!

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Well, Weber had contacts with Boeing (more than one) and he was familiar with CHUTES. We have it from a very good source regarding an enquiry I made in the thread.

Remember my asking about airshow in CA and jumping exhibits in CA in the 30's. Well, low and BEHOLD Derry did participate in such and around the time Weber was there as a 10 yr old. Duane's brother who was 22 at that time went into the service and was VERY familiar with Boeing (so familiar he was a consultant for Boeing with the Army).

All I am going to say right now!

Of course, the tease, the promise, the eternal wait for fulfillment=Jo's very predictable MO.

Let us know when you have proof Jo... and it better be more substantive than a ten year old kid seeing something at an airshow and an older sibling who had a Boeing connection. BTW, Boeing's US Army connection was helicopters not fixed wing jet aircraft. The Air National Guard operated C 22s (Boeing 727-100 types) but ANG is Air Force, not Army.

Turning Duane from a zero to hero is a nearly impossible task even for someone as determined as you.
Duane is just a patheticly underqualified candidate. Still, I do admire your determination and think you are sincere in your beliefs.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Kitty Corliss can do it

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Well, Weber had contacts with Boeing (more than one) and he was familiar with CHUTES. We have it from a very good source regarding an enquiry I made in the thread.

Remember my asking about airshow in CA and jumping exhibits in CA in the 30's. Well, low and BEHOLD Derry did participate in such and around the time Weber was there as a 10 yr old. Duane's brother who was 22 at that time went into the service and was VERY familiar with Boeing (so familiar he was a consultant for Boeing with the Army).

All I am going to say right now!

Of course, the tease, the promise, the eternal wait for fulfillment=Jo's very predictable MO.

Let us know when you have proof Jo... and it better be more substantive than a ten year old kid seeing something at an airshow and an older sibling who had a Boeing connection. BTW, Boeing's US Army connection was helicopters not fixed wing jet aircraft. The Air National Guard operated C 22s (Boeing 727-100 types) but ANG is Air Force, not Army.

Turning Duane from a zero to hero is a nearly impossible task even for someone as determined as you.
Duane is just a patheticly underqualified candidate. Still, I do admire your determination and think you are sincere in your beliefs.

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Jo, What do you mean by Duane's older brother being in the Army and at the same time being a "consultant" for Boeing with the Army (presumably you are referring to the WW2 era Army Air Corps). This brother could not be working for both of them at the same time.

It was more than 26 years from the end of WW2 until the hijacking. The WW2 era Boeing aircraft had nothing to do with the 727s. And the fact that the 727 rear stairs could be lowered in flight was probably a very closely held piece of information since that capability was developed and used by the CIA.

Robert99

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Kitty Corliss can do it

Excellent. And I'll bet Kitty landed on all four feet.

Robert99