DB Cooper

[mrshutter45 21]

If "evidence" is questionable here, it will be twice as hard to prove to the FBI or the media, they take no prisoners when it come to this.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

one can only wonder what the hell really happened up there, others have made the jump, I just can't get off the fence wondering if he made it or not? I want to say yes, but there is nothing supporting this other than the money found, then I want to say he is dead and hanging in a tree some where or died in a no pull? much like the Tootsie Pop.....the world may never know

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[airtwardo 7]

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one can only wonder what the hell really happened up there, others have made the jump, I just can't get off the fence wondering if he made it or not? I want to say yes, but there is nothing supporting this other than the money found, then I want to say he is dead and hanging in a tree some where or died in a no pull? much like the Tootsie Pop.....the world may never know

Oh he made it alright...!


ALL the 'experts' agree!!


Please don't muddy the waters by asking for PROOF!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Robert99 60]

Jo, My apologies for the two day delay in answering your allegations. But I have a real life and am not fixated on Cooper. I simply had better and more important things to do lately.

In a post this morning, you inject Robert Mitchum into the Cooper matter. I may have missed it, but have you written anything on the Elvis connection to Cooper yet?

You have written that I cannot dispove that Duane Weber is not Cooper. Let me point out that does not make Duane Weber Cooper. I also cannot disprove that Robert Mitchum and Elvis were not Cooper. And that leaves 6 or 7 billion other people on the planet that I am also not going to bother checking out.

Do you have a single piece of evidence to support your theory that Duane was Cooper? You do not! Rants against the FBI and others is not such evidence.

Your allegations that Weber's military service number(s), regardless of how many he may have had, is a code which you, and you alone, have deciphered is laughable. You know nothing whatsoever about codes.

You have written recently that Duane had not one but two Undesirable Discharges from various elements of the military. Based on my days of paper shuffling in the military, I always found that only a single Undesirable Discharge was necessary to do the job and get the "undesirable" outbound through the front gate with an MP escort. Others have managed to get an MP escort out the front gate with a lot less than an Undsirable Discharge.

You have made other such nonsensical writings that don't prove a single thing!

Your playing the health card for the past several years has probably got even St. Peter wondering, "Jo, Are you coming or aren't you? Make up your mind!".

But in any case, your dream of being known to history as THE "Mrs. D. B. Cooper" will not happen simply because Duane Weber was NOT D. B. Cooper.

Robert99

[Farflung 0]

How many times has Gray’s book been credited by RobertMBlevins as being an NYT ‘bestseller’ but there is no source to back this up? Three times, perhaps six? Is this something authors just say about each other which no longer has value or relevance?

How many times does one have to ‘guess’ how Cooper jumped out of the aircraft when there are case studies where the same thing was done with McCoy, McNally, LaPoint and Heady? Which way were they facing? It was reported that McNally jumped at 263 knots and he had never seen a parachute.

How about LaPoint and McCoy, they were both Army vets with jump training and they both hurt themselves. LaPoint was injured to the level of preferring capture and McCoy overpaying for a ride, thus drawing attention to himself rather than walking home. Why are these case studies ignored in favor of making up shit? Is it more fun to make shit up? Less work to be full of crap? Both?

Paradise Point Park was suggested as a location by Porteous with RobertMBlevins saying it was a damn good theory and he agreed with it. Why the push back now? Why didn’t you start with a receipt from the park showing that Kenny and Bernie were there, not having buttseks? Why just make up something so utterly implausible where Kenny was throwing money in that river with it drifting UPstream to Tina Bar? Did anyone lift a finger to check which way the Columbia flowed? There are plenty of people claiming some sort of weird Pacific Northwest, birthright which endows native citizens with obscure knowledge which cannot be learned remotely. We just call them bullshitters where I’m from.

How many times will Carolyn Tyner whose husband is a Boulder cop be mentioned? As it stands it is 22 separate occasions where she has been paraded with her husband’s incongruent occupation. Is that supposed to buttress her credibility since the spouse of a cop would never lie? Is that what is being implied twenty two times? I’m sure twenty three is just a moment away. Is this the ‘mantra’ technique of research combined with lashings of ‘take my word for it’ and ‘I know it because I lived it’ flotsam?

Did any of the other hijackers bury their parachutes? If they did what did they use to dig with? Were WWII paratroopers trained to bury their parachutes? I would have thought the hundreds and hundreds of droning, snorting and coughing radial engines would have been a subtle indicator to the Germans that something wicked their way cometh. No wonder they lost the Big One. I learn so much here that has escaped all books, video and cave paintings throughout the world. Neat.

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Due to the lack of anything being found, I would lean more toward the idea he made it to the ground...but frustratingly...there is no proof of this as yet.

Blevins, If he didn't make it to the ground, then exactly what did he do?

I know from personal experience that the law of gravity works in the Pacific Northwest part of the country.

Robert99

[georger 268]

Not exactly open-minded, are you? This proves what I've been saying all along. And I thought you were interested in examining ALL the evidence. Now we discover 'only if it suits you'. Silly me.

I'll make it easy for you, since this email is public anyway: You can reach me at adventurebooksofseattleAT frickin' G-frickin Mail Dot Com. I promise I won't reveal your address or sell it off to spammers.
Video update itself is HERE at YouTube.

Here we go again! You throw out a personal attack
in lieu of simply providing "your evidence" right here and now. No need for machinations.

The issue is not ME! The issue is your damned theory and your methods!

You have written reams in this forum driving people
away, and yet you wont "explain" your change of
theory ? That's thugism, not science.

Its not any trait you claim of me that's at stake,
but your methods at stake.

Blevinating is not science!

Your persistent personal attacks on people is not
science.

What I think is Porteous contacted you to write a
movie script to sell, which was what Lyle and
Porteous wanted. Facts were secondary. So using
Gray's previous work you set out to put a semi-
plausible plot together which you defended saying:
"I know it when I see it. Geestman is a liar".

Geestman being a liar and suspicious was and
remains essential. Paradise Park was essential until
that blew up in your face. Then in the same weak
sense your interpretation of the Weather
Underground data became essential, not to fact
based reality, but to your plot. The same for your
interpretation of Janet when it turns out you know
literally nothing about what Janet (and others)
actually said.

You argue against the FBI physical description of the
hijacker trying to squek Kenny in - you argue
against Farflung's alternative interpretation of
Kenny's financial history - you argue against the FBI
interpretation and history of the Amboy chute - you
argue against Janet's storty without knowing any of
the facts - you deny that Kenny and Geestman were
two gay men in a relationship - you claim the FBI
and NWA and other investigators all fucked up
failing to investigate NWA and Boeing employees
which allowed Kenny to escape being noticed - and
you write a script portraying Geestman as some kind
of hollow non-person living in shadows in a
vacuum pivitol to the hijacking of an airplane - you
even have a subplot for "that woman" unnamed.

It sure looks like a 'movie script' to me, which is
what Lyle originally went to NYC to get!

You then refuse to update us and me right now,
here on Dropzone, concerning a basic revision of
your original theory (Paradise Point to remote
location at Oakville) . . .

and you publically tell ME to email you at AB Books
to confirm my address, if I want an update of your
theory ...

! when in fact, you already have three emails from
months ago still out in the system, trying to get to
me personally when you were banned from
Dropzone, trying to confirm my private email
address !

Now here you are again tryingto get my private
email address saying you wont divulge it?

What kind of RESEARCH is that!?

You can take your socalled RESEARCH and all your
movie script, and your deceptions ... and go to hell.

You question my neutrality !?

Play it again Sham Wow Man.

[Robert99 60]

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I learn so much here that has escaped all books, video and cave paintings throughout the world. Neat.

Farflung,

You have made an excellent point and have at the same time discovered the genius of this Cooper thread.

This thread is the place where "People Who Know Everything Knowable" can come to see what they have missed. If you want to know the"Wisdom of the World", you will have to look elsewhere. But if you want to know what "People Who Know Everything Unknowable" know, well here it is.

Quade is to be commended for his foresight and understanding in permitting Jo Weber to start this thread. Jo and a number of others have definitely got the job done.

Robert

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How many times has Gray’s book been credited by RobertMBlevins as being an NYT ‘bestseller’ but there is no source to back this up? Three times, perhaps six? Is this something authors just say about each other which no longer has value or relevance?

How many times does one have to ‘guess’ how Cooper jumped out of the aircraft when there are case studies where the same thing was done with McCoy, McNally, LaPoint and Heady? Which way were they facing? It was reported that McNally jumped at 263 knots and he had never seen a parachute.

How about LaPoint and McCoy, they were both Army vets with jump training and they both hurt themselves. LaPoint was injured to the level of preferring capture and McCoy overpaying for a ride, thus drawing attention to himself rather than walking home. Why are these case studies ignored in favor of making up shit? Is it more fun to make shit up? Less work to be full of crap? Both?

Paradise Point Park was suggested as a location by Porteous with RobertMBlevins saying it was a damn good theory and he agreed with it. Why the push back now? Why didn’t you start with a receipt from the park showing that Kenny and Bernie were there, not having buttseks? Why just make up something so utterly implausible where Kenny was throwing money in that river with it drifting UPstream to Tina Bar? Did anyone lift a finger to check which way the Columbia flowed? There are plenty of people claiming some sort of weird Pacific Northwest, birthright which endows native citizens with obscure knowledge which cannot be learned remotely. We just call them bullshitters where I’m from.

How many times will Carolyn Tyner whose husband is a Boulder cop be mentioned? As it stands it is 22 separate occasions where she has been paraded with her husband’s incongruent occupation. Is that supposed to buttress her credibility since the spouse of a cop would never lie? Is that what is being implied twenty two times? I’m sure twenty three is just a moment away. Is this the ‘mantra’ technique of research combined with lashings of ‘take my word for it’ and ‘I know it because I lived it’ flotsam?

Did any of the other hijackers bury their parachutes? If they did what did they use to dig with? Were WWII paratroopers trained to bury their parachutes? I would have thought the hundreds and hundreds of droning, snorting and coughing radial engines would have been a subtle indicator to the Germans that something wicked their way cometh. No wonder they lost the Big One. I learn so much here that has escaped all books, video and cave paintings throughout the world. Neat.

Well, its quite simple to me. The methods suggest
the mission. Movie script vs. Research. Which is
exactly what Lyle and Porteous wanted.

Making things up = Movie Script = payoff =
Porteous' original stated mission stated to a number
of people: retirement funds.

Blevins can claim neutrality all he wants. The original
mission ie. script and movie deal is out there in
black and white on the public record.

Blevins has never cared about facts. Blevins can't
afford facts, not when its a movie and production
script that's the primary mission.

Blevins can do it all from the back seat of his old
car. Others have to sign 99 year leases and put up
$300 million dollar buildings in a research park, just
to start! The grandkids and children of staff get to
go fishing for sunfish in a duck pond on the
property - at $20 million per fish!

And this XXXXer Blevins wants our private email
addresses?

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'How many times has Gray’s book been credited by RobertMBlevins as being an NYT ‘bestseller’ but there is no source to back this up? Three times, perhaps six? Is this something authors just say about each other which no longer has value or relevance?...'

Hey...he was on the NYT bestseller list at number 25 for a while. Go HERE, hit 'nonfiction hardcover' and scroll down the list...

Admittedly, he wasn't on the list very long, which means there was a sudden rush of sales right after the publication date, and then they dropped off fairly quickly. Still, just making the list for a week is more than most writers get in a lifetime.

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'Paradise Point Park was suggested as a location by Porteous with RobertMBlevins saying it was a damn good theory and he agreed with it. Why the push back now?...'

Yes, I thought it was a good theory...right up until we found out Geestman had actually parked his trailer and wagon out on property he owned in Oakville, WA. I only interviewed people, I never was a pro Cooper investigator, and yes...I should have looked to see which way the river flowed. Besides, after seeing Tom Kaye's research, I think he might be right when he says the money *probably* didn't come out of the water anyway.

Georger: I'm not writing a movie script (thought about it for a while, did a couple of pages, tossed it out), and Janet is full of it. I can't believe a smart guy like you would even consider such a story. Men in Black...seeing through cloud cover...a man standing on the stairs. Sounds more like a BK tale. I was surprised when Galen Cook actually swallowed that one.

Cook didnt swallow anything. Only you swallow things.
Cook investigated it. You dont have to investigate
anything - you know it all just by scratching.

Cook is not your problem. You are your problem!

[Farflung 0]

OK, so the only thing which swayed you from the Paradise Point ‘theory’ was the latest discovery of some new information with the same or inferior provenance. How did you discover that Bernie parked anything at Oakville? Someone said so? Where’s a scan of the documentation? The signed affidavit stating that Bernie was observed parked in Oakville around Thanksgiving 1971? Or is this another disjointed rambling crafted by someone so deep into dementia, that I could get them to admit they are Austria. That’s right, I’m talking about the German speaking state south of Munich, and a person certifying the fact they are that country.

Why didn’t you push back on Porteous for NOT having any supporting documentation about Paradise Point Park? Why did you continue to support such a vapid theory after knowing that it was miles DOWNstream from Tina Bar making the money toss a farce? You were given multiple ‘hints’ to this fact and ignored them.

Supporting crap then getting caught is not a revision or fluid situation. It is grabbing whatever is easiest and cheapest, and just like hitting on a woman with the same virtues, in any bar across the USA, you can count on the fact that you aren’t the first and people are laughing at you the whole time. It is far better to practice a tiny amount of discretion before publishing your conquests, or bragging about some fantasy gold mine because you managed to fool everyone else in the room. That way you won’t have to deflect the name of the loser who said that Captain Scott talked to Cooper. We still don’t know who told you that so they can be scorned, despised and humiliated as a coward who hides in the shadows of Diogenes’ mighty light.

[Farflung 0]

That’s the whole point here RobertMBlevins, you have started this entire quest with an answer in hand, then proceeded to force it into every opening and orifice you can find. Hey, Paradise Point Park is near the jump site and takes travel trailers; let’s use that location since we need something near Cooper’s search area, that’s near the Interstate and by a river where money can be thrown…… like ummmm….. $5,800. Pulllleeeeaaasssssssee give some of us credit for knowing BS early on.

So now you have lost the ‘advantage’ of using Paradise Point which was near the jump zone, escape route and hydrology capable of delivering the money YOU said Kenny likely tossed. Now you have Bernie squatted in southern Wherethefawkiz Oakville, WA as a new and revised location, as if there aren’t any ramifications to your previous tale.

Paradise Point Park- WRONG
Airstream Trailer in Paradise Point- WRONG
Money tossed in river at Paradise Point- WRONG
Easy access to I-5, previously viewed as critical- WRONG
Pre arranged meeting place- WRONG
Location within easy view of Cooper during his jump- WRONG
Easy for anyone from the PNW to find by simply waking west- WRONG
Would draw less attention as a pair of campers in a state park- WRONG
Paradise Point was only a few miles to Tina Bar explaining the money- WRONG

See the problem with introducing Oakville as if it is a simple revision based upon new information? The information is NOT new, the story is. Nothing associated with this crime is new, everything is old and warped. You ignored the fact that Paradise Point was downstream for over a year for reasons I simply can’t comprehend. The same way you ponder whether or not Cooper made it to the ground. Cooper made it to the ground; the ambiguities have to do with geo-location and velocity. If the latter is much more than 40 or 50 feet per second, then the former will contain the solution. This is revisionist analysis through and through without the courtesy of any acknowledgement or explanation.

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'Cook believes the mysterious man was an FBI agent warning Janet not to go to the press because the FBI and other law enforcement agencies were expending considerable resources looking for Cooper near Lake Merwin, 35 miles north of Vancouver.

"This would have splintered the FBI's progress and maybe prevented them from capturing D.B. Cooper," he said...'

G. Cook
________________________________________

At last a paragraph of actual fact as it really happened by an HONEST investigation. Yes, the mystery man was McCoy, by his own admission. Now get the actual sighting location from "Janet." This would be the first time for a little truth to be discussed on this COVER UP FORUM. Mac was trying to keep the search away from where Weber really jumped. WEST OF THE SEARCH AREA!!!!!

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I can't believe a smart guy like you would even consider such a story. Men in Black...seeing through cloud cover...a man standing on the stairs.

You know..I have no idea whether "Janet" is full of it or not.... but why is it so hard to believe that Cooper could have fired off a couple of flares. And....reflected off of the back of the plane, why couldn't these flares have provided enough light to see a "ladder or platform" and what "looked like a man". You're probably talking seconds here and would be much like when you see things illuminated by a strike of lightening. It would also make sense when she said that the light was thrown from the plane.
Just saying...seems like something like this would be relatively easy to replicate in some form or other to prove or disprove.

As for men in black....I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm not naive either. Though I personally think that memories (this would include Janet and KC's "friends") are easily non-intentionally embellished, lots worse has been done under the cover of law enforcement than visiting someone in a threatening manner.

I know this will come as a surprise to you -- but most of the stuff that you bring up to highlight your excellent deductive skills has in fact been questioned before by someone else. From Marla to Janet to weather to found parachutes to money to whatever - generally you weren't the first to question any of it - though we wouldn't know that from reading your posts. The problem, as I've mentioned before, is that you don't read other posts - unless, I guess, they are directly related to you.

Basically it's this......keeping an open mind does not mean that you believe everything you read AND it does not mean that what you read is not questioned. Some of us just don't jump as readily from Point A to point B on everything without a little more information.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

move on Bob.....

McCoy is dead!
your story is dead!
you have been caught, dead wrong!
your flight path is dead wrong!
Janet is dead wrong!
move on Bob.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

If you have cloud cover at 5000 and the plane is at 10,000 how exactly does one see a man on the stairs? I live about 8 or 10 miles from Hollywood International and the planes that pass over my house at a much lower altitude, less than 5000 I can not make out the back or bottom of the plane! (at night)

I'm not saying it's not possible for him to use the flares but to see that much detail is a little hard to swallow! if you are to believe this than he jumped much later than they make the call at.

and no Bob Knoss, she was not in Portland! and this puts problems with your path again, don't even comment!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[airtwardo 7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9xRhwmHBBE

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[smokin99 0]

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As far as Marla goes, I may or may not have been the first to question her story, but I was the first to get an in-depth interview with her. And I was probably first to seriously question the FBI's explanation on the Amboy Chute. I particularly like the part where they tried to say it belonged (they thought) to a Marine pilot who jumped BEFORE the chute was actually manufactured...

lol...no, actually, you weren't...but I guess the point that you are emphasizing for me is that the fact of "who was first" really matters to you. And probably only to you....So carry on....

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Farflung 0]

You’re right RobertMBlevins, Paradise Point Park doesn’t matter. Now that is has been proven to be the ‘steaming pile’ that it was when you first introduced it to the world, and repeated it over and over; it doesn’t matter. It is, as it was, a giant pile of shit.

Bernie being married as proof that he isn’t gay is another of your long held beliefs. You surely don’t want to know about what happened to a married coach, who had many children, at Penn State. Sometimes it’s good to live under a rock where one is protected from reality.

I just don’t know how one reconciles screaming over and over how Bernie is a liar….LIAR, and how he was masterfully caught telling lies and untruths which are false and wrongly speakethed. Then in virtually the same breath, declare how Bernie admitted that Kenny could be Cooper as some sort of bizarre nail in Cooper’s coffin. Bernie is a liar, Bernie said Kenny could be Cooper; therefore, Kenny is NOT Cooper. Paradise Point doesn’t matter, never did. Bernie does not enjoy musicals nor does he possess a Crate & Barrel catalog. Bernie is a proven liar and says Kenny is Cooper. Got it this time.

Oh and RobertMBlevins (Big Cheese/El Nunero Uno) was the FIRST (before anyone else) to get an in depth (and objecrtive) interview with Marla Cooper:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/db-cooper-exclusive-niece-provide-key-evidence/story?id=14219052

Ignore the fact that this was four months earlier and all the videos from some bucket shop called ABC. Amateur wannabes who lurk around RobertMBlevins’ home, just hoping to get a whiff of the exhaust from the truck taking away his laundry. Yeah, he’s that good, just ask him. If you want a faster and longer response, don’t ask.

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If you have cloud cover at 5000 and the plane is at 10,000 how exactly does one see a man on the stairs? I live about 8 or 10 miles from Hollywood International and the planes that pass over my house at a much lower altitude, less than 5000 I can not make out the back or bottom of the plane! (at night)

I'm not saying it's not possible for him to use the flares but to see that much detail is a little hard to swallow! if you are to believe this than he jumped much later than they make the call at.

and no Bob Knoss, she was not in Portland! and this puts problems with your path again, don't even comment!

First...How do you know these were the conditions at this precise location? How do you know what you would be able to see if someone was holding up a light source? Was the cloud cover uniform for miles or spotty? Was the plane at 10,000 when it passed overhead at her location? Did it even pass over her location? Is Janet delusional or a liar? Does she even exist?
All I'm saying is for all the so-called experts instantly calling it out as instantly unbelievable, I don't remember seeing any actual investigation into the facts as they were at that particular place and point in time. Perhaps i missed it, if so mea culpa and please point me to where these facts reside...
on the other hand....
There are ways to call out bullshit and I guess there are some things that are so unbelievable that you can just say no way - couldn't happen -- but, to me, on this issue, just saying it can't happen is not as satisfying to me.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

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If you have cloud cover at 5000 and the plane is at 10,000 how exactly does one see a man on the stairs? I live about 8 or 10 miles from Hollywood International and the planes that pass over my house at a much lower altitude, less than 5000 I can not make out the back or bottom of the plane! (at night)

I'm not saying it's not possible for him to use the flares but to see that much detail is a little hard to swallow! if you are to believe this than he jumped much later than they make the call at.

and no Bob Knoss, she was not in Portland! and this puts problems with your path again, don't even comment!

First...How do you know these were the conditions at this precise location? How do you know what you would be able to see if someone was holding up a light source? Was the cloud cover uniform for miles or spotty? Was the plane at 10,000 when it passed overhead at her location? Did it even pass over her location? Is Janet delusional or a liar? Does she even exist?
All I'm saying is for all the so-called experts instantly calling it out as instantly unbelievable, I don't remember seeing any actual investigation into the facts as they were at that particular place and point in time. Perhaps i missed it, if so mea culpa and please point me to where these facts reside...
on the other hand....
There are ways to call out bullshit and I guess there are some things that are so unbelievable that you can just say no way - couldn't happen -- but, to me, on this issue, just saying it can't happen is not as satisfying to me.

8:10 /8:22 /8:52 transcripts say they were at 10,000, I am currently working on the flight path via simulator trying to see if the path lines up and if anything else can be found.

just thinking logically you would think it would be pretty dam hard to spot this activity, the FBI says it was so bad they turned around, weather reports say a different story, so I figure a good way to find out is to recreate the path, I have done a lot of testing with my simulator and found it to be pretty dam accurate with speed, altitude and mapping is dam near dead on. I can change the weaather at different locations, go from nite to day, 3d cockpit with full instrumentation working. so I think it's worth a shot to see what comes up

I just don't see road flares "lighting up the sky"

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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If you have cloud cover at 5000 and the plane is at 10,000 how exactly does one see a man on the stairs? I live about 8 or 10 miles from Hollywood International and the planes that pass over my house at a much lower altitude, less than 5000 I can not make out the back or bottom of the plane! (at night)

I'm not saying it's not possible for him to use the flares but to see that much detail is a little hard to swallow! if you are to believe this than he jumped much later than they make the call at.

and no Bob Knoss, she was not in Portland! and this puts problems with your path again, don't even comment!

First...How do you know these were the conditions at this precise location? How do you know what you would be able to see if someone was holding up a light source? Was the cloud cover uniform for miles or spotty? Was the plane at 10,000 when it passed overhead at her location? Did it even pass over her location? Is Janet delusional or a liar? Does she even exist?
All I'm saying is for all the so-called experts instantly calling it out as instantly unbelievable, I don't remember seeing any actual investigation into the facts as they were at that particular place and point in time. Perhaps i missed it, if so mea culpa and please point me to where these facts reside...
on the other hand....
There are ways to call out bullshit and I guess there are some things that are so unbelievable that you can just say no way - couldn't happen -- but, to me, on this issue, just saying it can't happen is not as satisfying to me.

Quick response:

Blevins cites WeatherUnderground. He is claiming
that data was comprehensive, all inclusive, the whole
area of the flight path, the whole area around PDX-
VCR, the whole story, etc ... just not true. There was
variability within this overall data set. And enough
variability to bring firsthand personal testimony into
line with the larger weather facts. In fact one person
has already plotted it all for various areas on a
timeline! That will be presented at the appropriate
time.

Janet story. There is more to the story than Blevins
knows or can know. That will be presented at the
appropriate time. (if not by me then others) That's enough for the time being . . .

Blevins is totally irrelevant to the whole Cooper case,
so far as I am concerned.

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8:10 /8:22 /8:52 transcripts say they were at 10,000, I am currently working on the flight path via simulator trying to see if the path lines up and if anything else can be found.

just thinking logically you would think it would be pretty dam hard to spot this activity, the FBI says it was so bad they turned around, weather reports say a different story, so I figure a good way to find out is to recreate the path, I have done a lot of testing with my simulator and found it to be pretty dam accurate with speed, altitude and mapping is dam near dead on. I can change the weaather at different locations, go from nite to day, 3d cockpit with full instrumentation working. so I think it's worth a shot to see what comes up

Thanks, MrShutter. Who knows, if you have enough information, maybe your simulator will show that it was impossible for her to have even seen the plane at her location. That's what I'm talking about. Can't wait to see your results.
Was it 8:10 - 8:52? I don't remember if any times have ever been talked about, but she says in this article that they were taking the kids to the baby sitters before going out for dinner. I don't know -- we usually like to get an earlier start than that around here. You know so the food doesn't interfere with the buzz you're planning on getting later.
lol.....btw.....lots of folks say logic says he's DOA too. Damn naysayers

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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move on Bob.....

McCoy is dead!
your story is dead!
you have been caught, dead wrong!
your flight path is dead wrong!
Janet is dead wrong!
move on Bob.

How little you know.
How wrong you are.
You had to be there.
To see to hear and believe.
The truth is strange and unsuspecting.
To a greater degree than your lack of seeing.
The truth is held by those in charge
back then, and me, to tell with no regard.
The facts are plain and simple
but they're backwards to confuse
the logic of those who prod and meddle.